Fate Points really should carry over

I love the fate point system and its been a massive change than how it was before, but Genshin's weapon banner is still the absolute worst out of the other games where they separate. What's still wild is that its only worth pulling on the weapon banner if it features two characters that you don't mind getting weapons for. Or if its a new character with a rerun character that you don't have the weapon for. When you only want one (either you have the other character's weapon) fate points carrying over would make the weapon banner alot less terrible. I think its certainly overdue. Them lowering the count to 1 was already a great change so I think that would make a 2 in 1 banner so much more bearable. Or they could just give us seperate weapon banners.

Heres hoping 7.0 does this, we all know the reason why they wouldn't, but hey we can dream right?

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ahmadalhuraibi2026-01-02 04:54

While we're at it, why don't we just remove the gacha system entirely? Let's just make every weapon craftable or obtainable through gameplay instead.

Adham11532026-01-02 05:11

Or just.. make it the same as the normal banner and other hoyo games? There's no need for genshin's weapon banner to be the bad outlier

saberjun2026-01-02 05:32

Tradition continues

uptodown122026-01-02 05:12

Make the weapon obtainable from a challenge stage like Envisaged Echo

mr_beanoz2026-01-02 05:20

Well, maybe we'd have something like Where Winds Meet or Duet Night Abyss?

Low_Artist_76632026-01-02 05:46

Both of those are not as successful as genshin, so why would hoyo change?

mr_beanoz2026-01-02 05:53

Sometimes games that are not as successful can give good ideas to be copied

yyIntsuki2026-01-02 17:33

it just shows how their business model flopped

BandicootFar41262026-01-02 05:33

Just play Duet night abyss like me so :)

(I still play Genshin tho)

x3bla2026-01-02 05:58

Remove resin and artifact rng too, fuck those systems

Symphonacity2026-01-02 04:55

Presumably, we're only making this post now because OP most likely just lost their 50/50 on the weapon banner.

If OP won then we wouldn't be seeing a post on reddit.

Case and point. If you dont have the ability to hit hard pity on the weapon banner and you aren't willing to take the L then dont pull.

Sea-Entrepreneur46642026-01-02 05:07

Just because OP’s pulling strategy was suboptimal doesn’t mean that the weapon pity system doesn’t suck compared to other Hoyo games.

Symphonacity2026-01-02 06:07

Sure, it sucks but im just telling you as a matter of fact, if you don't want to waste pulls, then dont gamble. Always assume worst case scenario. If even after all these disclaimers you still opt in then a gacha game is a slot machine. Do you go to a casino and complain to staff that you didn't bring enough money to win even once?

DehyaFan2026-01-02 18:17

I'd rather have the Genshin weapon system with its copious useful four stars instead of HSR where you're character is often gimped without their sig unless their harmony and you have extra DDDs laying about, remembrance path only exacerbated the problem by having a whole new lightcone path for a path that has DPS/supports/ and healers all mixed together.

Symphonacity2026-01-02 19:49

Some people really just live in their own bubbles not even knowing what the outside looks like. Istg if these people ever play HSR they'd be begging to be taken back. Definitely fun when there's a millions LCs in the game but literally none of them work for your new fangled remembrance DPS, next region will be the same except every class will now be cosplaying elation.

mr_beanoz2026-01-02 05:19

How about reducing the probability to take the L to encourage more pulls?

ComposerFormer80292026-01-02 05:30

This take is terrible, while I did lose 5050 for Varesa's weapon why defend this terrible system?

Symphonacity2026-01-02 06:09

Telling you about the irony that is this post and giving you actual life advice to not gamble and always assume worst case scenario is not the same as defending a system that you willingly opted into of your own volition.

Ive lost more than 80% of my 50/50s ever since sumeru and you don't see me complaining? Should i also make a post for hoyo to remove 50/50s on character banners?

Pop-girlies2026-01-02 06:08

I mean, their point still stands, no?

Symphonacity2026-01-02 06:23

I never meant to discuss OPs point anyways. I somewhat agree that the system could indeed use improvements but all that's gonna do is skew the game's balance even harder. The gist of it being the game now being balanced with R1 in mind and to look at Wuwa specifically, garbage 4* weapons.

I just find it ironic that this system has been in the game for centuries and only now does OP suddenly find the will to rant on reddit about it.

Basically screams, it's not my problem until it is.

Also, im just telling OP advice, if you don't have the heart to take an L, then dont gamble.

ace1841842026-01-02 04:56

Yeah weapon banner is awful, fate points or not. I would like them to just do away with the weapon 50-50 (or whatever the crap odds are 37.5-37.5-25) and let us just win the featured weapon when we pull it. Otherwise yes the fate points are bad and I end up not pulling on many weapon banners bc of it.

Hotspur0002026-01-02 05:30

I don't mind losing a 75-25 every once in a while (because all the Standard banner weapons are pretty general and I use them all, so getting extra copies is fine), but I absolutely hate getting the other 5\* weapon specifically tailored for a character I don't want.

So they should just split the weapon banner into two; you only have to wish for the one limited weapon you want, but you might sometimes lose the 75-25.

ace1841842026-01-02 07:44

That would be a reasonable compromise, the standard weapons eventually lose their usefulness I think. Ive pulled enough over the years other than maybe refines I dont think I need additional copies.

I think the real issue you get it is they have made some really bad 5 star signature weapons (lookin at you donut) so it makes losing to those much worse than getting a standard 5 star sometimes.

Hotspur0002026-01-02 07:55

I always refine the standard 5\* weapons (eg, my Eula is using an R3 Skyward Pride), so I like getting more copies.

But you're right about the bad 5\* sigs, which is why, if I can't use BOTH of the weapons on the banner I just don't wish on it. The only times I've gone in for a sig. weapon is if I also want or could use the other one (which is how my Nahida's weapons is R2).

SanicHegehag2026-01-02 05:01

Go with the WuWa system. Pick the Weapon you want. If you get a 5 Star, then that's it. You can get it early or you may hit pity, but you *will* get it with no BS.

BandicootFar41262026-01-02 05:12

This... For example, I want Skirk weapon so bad but if I end with a standard weapon or the other limited weapon, It's dozens of precious pulls wasted.

Tbh that's the reason i still never pulled on any weapon banner until now. But Skirk weapon man... It's perfect for her both visually and mechanically :'(

Aromatic_Inspector892026-01-02 05:16

this with Arlecchino. Every other weapon looks ugly with that fake scythe effect

PassionIll32812026-01-02 05:23

Okay this might be me coping too much but white tassel is actually good-looking on her with the whites and stuff

BandicootFar41262026-01-02 05:37

Spear Jade is not ugly on my Arle... but yeah her Sig is so badass i can understand.

Like my Skirk who is wielding Calamity if Eshu (which I don't regret in terms of damage but still...)

SectorApprehensive582026-01-02 05:53

For me its Navia's axe. Its a bloody axe, so fitting for fontaine

WastePermission96202026-01-02 16:43

Calamity Queller is a pretty good option no?

Low_Artist_76632026-01-02 05:22

"Go with the system that gives you garbage useless weapon pulls as rewards instead of primos"

ADistractedBoi2026-01-02 05:48

Knowing these companies the game will start getting balanced around r1

pc_player_yt2026-01-02 05:52

oh absolutely it would

LunarSDX2026-01-02 07:07

Thats how it is in WuWa sooooo

OrbitalSong2026-01-02 17:31

That's actually a really good point. Content has to be balanced around something realistically achievable by the players. If what is realistically achievable shifts, for example, by making the weapon banner easier to pull on, then balance would have to shift to compensate.

Most people act like getting stuff in gacha is like actually gaining something in real life, but at the end of the day it's a video game, and the game developers balance both the stuff you get and the content, and presumably both at the same time against each other. So you don't actually get much of anything when they shift one and shift the other to match. And if they only shift one without the other, that's the same as just changing the difficulty of the game to be easier or harder, which is also something very different than when you actually gain possession of something in real life.

walker-of-the-wheel2026-01-02 06:15

No thanks. I prefer having actually useful 4 star weapons instead, even if I have to contend with a far worse weapon banner. We get far more 4 star weapons anyway, many of which are even best-in-slot for supports.

TheBirdNamedSparrow2026-01-02 09:07

Making a gacha item too easy to obtain isn't exactly a good idea

maskietales2026-01-02 17:59

Then make the signature weapon basically must pull with 40% dmg difference to the next BIS and make all 4-star completely unusable, so now you're basically forced to pull for signature weapon on ALL characters bcs anything else works like trash on them...but yeah, that's perfectly ok bcs "the weapon is guaranteed anyway". Being forced to use 80 more pulls on weapon every single time bcs the next alternative isn't even close is totally the best way to go...

madnessfuel2026-01-02 05:01

I mean, all Genshin has to do is change the weapon banner to the HSR Light Cone banner model tbh.

A banner for each weapon, sharing overall pity, kinda like how the featured and rerunning 5*s have.

HSR doesn't even shy away from having 75-25% odds, too. Genshin has that, but a second 50/50 afterwards, which really sucks

yyIntsuki2026-01-02 17:36

the fact that limited items are more accessible (and more frequently released) also means it's more likely to suffer from powercreep, because the game's difficulty is set to how "well" the biggest portion of the player base is doing

doing so would just mean more mechanics that were supposed to be on the character's kit will be moved to their sig weapon instead

Tryukach092026-01-02 05:07

Flip shouldnt exist on weapon banner to begin with, its already big investment spending on 1 character, getting extra weapon makes it doubly so. Playing both Genshin and Wuwa made me realize with guaranteed weapon banner i am more keen to pulling for one, on the other hand in genshin for the last 2 years i got maybe 2 signature weapons.

telegetoutmyway2026-01-02 05:33

Yep, ive gotten nearly every character that ive pulled for's signature in wuwa, I think only 2 of them dont because I had suitable replacements.

In genshin I only have the signature of 4 characters and ive been playing since 1.0 ive also lost every 50/50 on weapon banners (37.5/37.5/25 or whatever) as well as losing every possible "/25" loss as well when its not "guaranteed" to be one of the 2 on banners.
Its so fucking convoluted I cant even state the situation in simple terms without a dicertation.

biggest_brainz2026-01-02 05:19

Fate system shouldn't even exist and they should make 2 weapon banners guaranteeing the weapon Like wuwa, only then i will ever wish on a weapon banner.

Low_Artist_76632026-01-02 05:21

Genshin is not absolute worst, lol. All genshin characters are perfectly functional without 5* weapons, unlike hsr.

You can also easily solve it yourself by saving enough to guarantee.

ComposerFormer80292026-01-02 05:28

My perspective is different I like to spend for weapons on characters that I like , I didnt say that characters NEED their BiS, I just think that separating weapon or letting fate points carry over would be great. Literally every other Hoyo game separates banners.

Low_Artist_76632026-01-02 05:38

So you fine with ruining the game for everybody else and turning it into star rail?

Litleraly every other hoyo game is powercreep garbage

ComposerFormer80292026-01-02 05:55

Im sorry what? Do you hear yourself? Explain to me how separating the weapon banner would be bad. it would be in line with other games where it is so nice to be able to just pull on the weapon itself. You get the same 4 star weapons on either one and fate points wont even be needed. This is what kills me about some gacha players why would they defend a system that actively makes pulling feel worse. While Im glad that 4 stars are good in Genshin that should not excuse making pulling 5 star weapons feel terrible.

Symphonacity2026-01-02 19:44

Ill explain it to you so that you'll understand. The exact system you're asking for exists in WuWa. Isn't that great! No fate points, you get what you want on the weapon banner. Life is good.

Yeah, that's with a whole lot of caveats. WuWa 4* weapons are hot garbage. This means that the power locked behind their BiS weapons trump any f2p option any day of the week. For you to reach the same level of viability as a c0r0 character in genshin conpared to Wuwa, you would need RC0R1. The easier you make something achievable, the more likely the goalpost of end game content will shift to accomodate that fact.

Why is that bad? That's because theoretically, that doubles the amount you need to spend to achieve meta viability. It's already pretty bad since newer weapons are extremely niche when compared to older ones. Now you want Genshin to basically make it so that to clear end game modes, you would need to pull for said niche weapon?

That's a step in the wrong direction.

You're basically just throwing a tantrum cuz you lost your 50/50 and you didnt account for losing it. Grow up.

The fact that you're saying ,"in line with other games" yet are clueless about balance makes you look superficial as you think other games are more "generous". Ah yeah, lemme go hop back on to my old gacha games where i would need 6 dupes of a character thats 10 pixels tall to make them viable.

Sea-Entrepreneur46642026-01-02 06:42

Holy slippery slope fallacy.

Yes, HSR and ZZZ has more powercreep than Genshin and they do have stuff like split banners, there's no denying that, but blaming that on stuff like split weapon banners is just ridiculous. Correlation does not mean causation. If Genshin decides to give around a 100 pulls per patch and splits weapon banners, that does not necessarily mean Genshin will immediately turn into "PoWeRcReEp GaRbAgE" like HSR and ZZZ. Its a matter of proper game management.

You do know that splitting the banners would still make it cost the same amount of pulls to C0R1 a character assuming hard pity right? All it does it just let you salvage a failed weapon banner for another future weapon you want. Compared to other desired gacha QOL we've been demanding this is fairly reasonable and overdue relative to other Hoyo games.

Low_Artist_76632026-01-02 07:09

It's not a fallacy when you have a game from the same devs face planted on said slope.

Sea-Entrepreneur46642026-01-02 07:35

2nd point: Correlation does not mean causation, there are plenty of other factors and different design philosophies between games like HSR and Genshin that contribute to the powercreep experienced.

YOU made the claim that split banners will ruin the game, how? The burden of proof is on you to prove that split banners causes powercreep. Genshin has already implemented stuff like capturing radiance and has lowered fate point count over time yet I fail to see Genshin approaching as worse as a metagame as HSR/ZZZ, how will split banners be the final nail in the coffin?

Low_Artist_76632026-01-02 07:40

Bro, at least read the first comment. Even if powercreep didn't exist, weapons are still mandatory in hsr.

And said "different approach" includes genshin weapon banner being ass

Sea-Entrepreneur46642026-01-02 08:03

That doesn’t address your argument that split banners will objectively make the game worse.

>Even if powercreep didn't exist, weapons are still mandatory in hsr.

Let’s assume that scenario, I ask you, so what? The Catch still works as written for Raiden, Finale for Clorinde, White Tassel for Arle, those F2P options still exist, they don’t magically disappear from our accounts. Besides, skill in playing a character goes a long way in Genshin than in HSR, there’s simply more skill expression/ceiling allowed in Genshin than HSR that contributes to clearing stuff like endgame. Just because it went down like that in HSR does not mean it will happen like that in Genshin even with powercreep. HSR forcing S1 doesn’t mean split banner systems force that outcome. Unless you can explain how split weapon banner design FORCES mandatory R1/S1, I’d argue that this is mainly correlation. As I’ve stated in my original comment, it all comes down to design choices by the development team.

VorticalHeart442026-01-02 05:36

OP clearly has not experienced very many gacha games, especially from beyond 5 years ago.

Low_Artist_76632026-01-02 05:44

Redditors, when thing is expensive: just print more money.

They can go and look at hsr to see what happens when weapons are more accessible

Alex24222026-01-03 02:59

Nothing happens. You can make them more accessible *without* making them necessary for the character.

Ok-Will-1682026-01-02 05:55

I just see a guide of columbina and they calculate that sig is 11% better than… fav codex/prototype, and newest character still can use old 5* weapon wihout trouble, so i think it fair.

WhadaFxUp052026-01-02 05:25

Im probably gonna get hate for this but oh well. Ive long thought 90 was an arbitrary lvl max, but thats a different story. So, NOW, pushing it to 100 just seems lazy/a makeup fot excessive pulls. I always thought weapons should have their own banner (a "just weapons" banner, not counting the special wpns/5* banner) and the standard banner should include every playable character. My trick though was that once you c6 a character (or r5 a wpn) they drop off/disappear from the banner, that way you have a chance to pull desired characters more easily. My first c6 was Bennett, but why do i need to pull another 10 of him for no reason. Dropping off c6ers improves odds of other pulls and makes it more exciting and fulfilling to pull. Yeah i get they would be "leaving money on the table", but the current model is just so frustrating and blahh.

TheEffanIneffable2026-01-02 05:31

This plus please give us a path for four stars on banners. It’s insane.

zephyrseija22026-01-02 05:38

I very rarely pull for sig weapons because the value just isn't there.

InukoJon2026-01-02 20:17

I would argue it’s on par to pulling a con for the same fates more or less plus the cost of pulling whatever you were going to use instead of the sig can be factored into pulling the sig. I feel like Xilo is an excellent example. Huge buff with her sig for your main dps but next best option is like fav sword which is like sure whatever. I guess you can argue r0c2 is better or same as r1c0 but that still costs more.

Dracorvo2026-01-02 06:00

HSR just has single weapon banners

DehyaFan2026-01-02 18:20

And signatures are required on some characters to make them useable locking away parts of their kit in the lightcones. Meanwhile Genshin has so many good four stars.

Flaky-Significance692026-01-02 06:00

If we can complain that fate point not caring over is horrible, why can’t we say the same about character 50/50? What’s so intrinsically horrible about fate point compared to 50/50, or soft pity being at 63/73?

I mean I genuinely wish the weapon banners are separate and all the soft petites are much lower and we’d never lose to 50/50s, but that’s like complaining about coke being too expensive? I can only make sure I don’t get myself into a situation where I’m out of wishes at 1 fate point, or waste wishes I need on weapons I don’t want at all.

I guess if enough people dislike this fate point system so much that they don’t want to play anymore, HoYo might change it, but there’s nothing intrinsically bad about it? It’s subjective.

AuthorChaseDanger2026-01-02 06:06

I'm still sad when I see sigewinnes bow in my inventory, probably one of the worst weapons to lose to.

brliron2026-01-02 16:48

>its only worth pulling on the weapon banner if it features two characters that you don't mind getting weapons for. Or if its a new character with a rerun character that you don't have the weapon for.

No, it's never worth. And it would never be worth even if the weapon was guaranteed like in WuWa. How many more primogems will you get thanks to a new weapon? Like 100 per month? And how many will you spend trying to get that weapon? If the weapon was guaranteed, that would be around 10000. So you would get your investment back after 100 months, or a bit above 8 years.

The weapon banner is designed to suck money out of the whales, because it has no value outside of that.

yyIntsuki2026-01-02 17:31

honestly if comparing to HSR and ZZZ here, then you'd notice how most sig weapons are 20-30% in difference to their nearest somewhat f2p alternatives, while Genshin are usually 10%-15%

the design of the sig weapons are also including some quite important mechanics, for instance Hyacine LC having HP fluctuation, Phainon LC base speed, ZZZ with anomaly buildup rate etc.

DehyaFan2026-01-02 18:22

Just look at Xiaoguang's signature, the next best wengine is W5 Brimstone and even then it's still 25% worse, the best W5 A rank engine is like 50% the performance of her signature.

Neospanner2026-01-02 20:06

Weapon banner has always been whale territory, which is why the banners are so harsh.

That said, unlike many gacha games, the signature weapons aren't must-have. Your 5-star character will do just fine with a 4-star weapon. A character's signature weapon really is a luxury - not the other half of the character, without which the character is incomplete (and often quite crappy). Better than a game where if you don't have enough to pull for both character and weapon, you might as well not pull at all.

The weapon banner has been made friendlier TWICE, the first time by adding the Fate Point system (prior, you could go endlessly without getting the weapon you wanted), and later by reducing the number of Fate Points needed from two to one. It's now to the point that if a f2p wants a weapon, they can get one without much trouble, so long as they have a little self-discipline and are able to save their wishes.

InukoJon2026-01-02 20:13

I think it’s better they don’t or at least no difference. Also solely by the way they work it would be impossible to implement. You can’t change path with a fate point or else you lose it. Changing whole ass weapon banners and keeping fate point would be too OP. I think the most simple solution is don’t pull on weapon banners unless you can guarantee the 5 star you want.

dragosslash2026-01-03 23:07

Weapon banner should be split in two and have the same logic as the character banner. Still, it's far batter than what is used to be.

loadedhunter30032026-01-06 12:49

I think it's a fair system for an unnecessary premium item. The character gacha which is the only necessary thing is good enough so I'm ok with both systems. Genshin has already made a ton of changes which directly reduce their monetisation and this is honestly one I don't mind.