i'm don't want to further spread negativity, but after the complete lack of effort on their behalf for the weapon skins system, i simply gave up any hope on the game doing this type of things.
What's more, i even thought things had started to change since they had Ororon and Citlali have special glide animation, effects and mechanics.
ayumieshiny2026-01-04 22:28
im forever grateful for the treatment citlali and ororon got! citlali is my one of my favourite characters and her pillow glide is just too cute >.<
Supreme-Machine-V22026-01-04 23:23
I also love Citlali and I would have gotten her if someone in your profile didn't show up instead :(
nylakat2026-01-05 00:00
I also got Diluc when pulling for her on my birthday 😭
ayumieshiny2026-01-05 00:07
that’s tragic im very sorry 🤧
PhasmicPlays2026-01-05 00:06
This cracked me up lol, good one
ayumieshiny2026-01-05 00:06
i sincerely apologise </3
SHTPST_Tianquan2026-01-04 23:29
Ororon is possibly my favorite Natlan character, surely my favorite during the archon quest.
I absolutely love his super jump + glide combo
Jibk152026-01-04 22:29
Calling them out on their bs is not negativity.
Khoakuma2026-01-04 22:33
Well “Natlan bad” so we are doing away from all the improvements to the game we got in Natlan. Enjoy new characters with 1.0 level mobility.
Malyesa2026-01-04 22:53
The complaints that people actually had about Natlan have been largely improved in NK - story, character distribution & design have overall been a lot better. Mobility was not something people complained about.
parthmestry2026-01-04 22:59
It was tho? Loads of people were complaining that genshin was locking exploration behind 5 star characters, and that they purposely designed Natlan to have a lot of good exploration mechanics to sell them.
JDBCool2026-01-04 23:09
So... many.... verticals
Malyesa2026-01-04 23:27
That's different from complaining about the mechanics lol that's a complaint about locking said mechanics behind 5 stars
SHTPST_Tianquan2026-01-04 23:33
Well, in reality, exploration was not locked behind 5 stars, all 4 stars in natlan have the same exploration skills as their 5 star counterpart, albeit tuned differently. And exploration in general was not locked behind units, as everything that can be done by characters can be done by saurians
The only one that does not really hold up to their "upgrade" really is Iansan, the difference between her and Varesa is too drastic. The paradox is that Ifa might even have better flight than chasca.
Honestly i wonder if they will ever add 4 stars from the scyons of the canopy or people of the springs... i suspect a 4 star people of the springs would not hold up to mualani's absurd level of water and lava walking
Grouchy_Gap452026-01-04 22:59
You probably werent there when these folks complained about somehow locking exploration behind paywall propaganda
Malyesa2026-01-04 23:27
I was! That's different. That's a complaint about a paywall, not the content itself.
Khoakuma2026-01-04 23:04
People who refused to roll for Natlan characters hated Natlan exploration because the Saurians are complete ass compared to the characters.
Hoyo, in response, instead of making the free mobility better, just straight up flattens the terrain back to pre-Fontaine level and has us run around on foot instead.
Malyesa2026-01-04 23:28
Not a complaint about the mechanic but about the paywall then
Kokolemo2026-01-05 02:40
Currently in Natlan and have been enjoying exploration just fine without any Natlan characters.
I don't understand people wanting to get from point a to b faster all the time. The pace is good as it is. Exploration in games often becomes boring and pointless once you introduce free flying.
No-Change-13032026-01-04 23:10
No it was and NK story is mid at best, though I agree more male characters are good
Grimstarzz2026-01-05 00:11
Yeah I don't know what these people are trying to say, 90% of the complaints about Natlan were about the story, not the exploration.
Being able to rollerblade up vertical cliffs, glide on a large pillow or drive around and jet pack through the air on a motorbike were great.
It's like people can't have legit critique on a game or they become "haters". People should be glad that people criticize any game, it often results in devs listening to their playerbase.
Express-Bag-39352026-01-04 23:04
It's crazy how much people dissed on Natlan. What was acceptable to diss on was like the AQ Finale, the character designs (based on subjectivity), and any powercreep associated, but Natlan character kits are by far the most unique and engaging kits to date- in combat and in exploration. I remember like first 2 weeks after Kinich released, already Bilibili clips of people min-maxing the climbing reach of Kinich's grapple, leveraging his little jumps with mid air swing, mid air grapple, and the little lifts on walls he gets when climbing after a grapple.
We even got superior flying with Chasca that Ifa is nearly similar to, and she is also like the only anemo character of her kind, becoming a PhEC character based on team composition.
Hoyo dialed back after the creative flow that the Natlan kits were created from. The only real impressive kit or gameplay design with Nod Krai would be lunar crystallize while the other lunar reactions are mid or just mediocre, sidegrade, or useless without specific character to use it (looking at you, lunar bloom).
We need more character kits that blend combat and mobility together. Varesa and Mavuika and even Ifa can do it fairly well. There is also no other bow user other than Ororon that could do charged attack mid air outside of the realms of their kit.
5.x basically had top of the line kits. Even the 4 stars are decent to good- Ifa, Lan Yan, Iansan, and Ororon. Outside Mizuki, pretty much all 5 stars have good kits, including Citlali, ineffa, Skirk, and Escoffier.
SaibaShogun2026-01-04 23:05
The actual reason is probably that Hoyo wants to sell future Natlan characters, so they’ll keep exploration advantages exclusive to them.
No-Change-13032026-01-04 23:12
Based, let the haters seethe. Lock any qol to them and don’t give anything to anyone else
Ok_Pattern_75112026-01-04 23:28
I really wish Emilie was a Natlanese living in Fontaine sometimes, not only she gets locked of Cinder City but exploration too
S_Demon2026-01-05 00:01
More like they always were gonna lock it away to sell more Natlan characters.
Malschaun22026-01-04 23:38
The issue is not voicing points of critique or even disappointment, it's when people, as you unfortunately just did, start throwing "lack of effort" or more commonly "laziness" around. That's very likely not the reason the weapon skins work as they do or why Durin or Nicole won't use their wings when gliding.
If the devs and artists were lazy, the characters wouldn't use wings in combat or cutscenes either.
As someone who worked on games: devs, designers and artists work very hard on games, and they regularly stay just an hour or two longer in the office (and unpaid) just to get this one thing or detail perfectly right because they actually care and love doing their job. They are artists. Do you know any artists? Most are perfectionists to their own detriment.
There ist very likely a different reason or calculation for why Hoyo doesn't want characters to use their own wings instead of the glider than just pure laziness.
Original-Shallot58422026-01-05 00:28
Dont tell them this.
You will be classified as a "shill" or "defend multi billion dollar company" because you dont agree with them.
You must be negative and shit on everyone who works on a game because you didnt get what you want and they are lazy.
I could start naming things this game does that shits all over the industry from few miles but its pointless. Im a shill if I do that.
Grouchy_Gap452026-01-04 22:24
Yep, thanks to natlan haters. Should send them a medal for this
Hot_Cat_10932026-01-04 22:33
I'm confused by this what did they do to cause this 😰
After-Syrup12902026-01-04 23:03
He's trying to say that ppl who criticized Natlan for its new designs among other things are responsible for us not getting anything good in nod krai
A take i don't agree with cus it's a known fact that nod krai is a whole new region the dev team created after Natlan, it's simply didn't exist anywhere in lore, it's too small a place so ofc ur not getting the same amount of stuff you would as expected of a more larger in size region - it's too compact and densely made with its purpose being to tie up lore points... See the amount of lore we got in such a short time? And such a small place too?
That's not even including the fact that the character designs ain't half bad either - nicole is literally the prettiest girl to come out, flins and varka are handsome af too, illuga is basically a 4 star supermodel
It's a tie in region meant to bump up the lores and models a bit, ofc you can't expect it to give full fledged things like in a full region such as fontaine or natlan, there's bound to be some corners cut somewhere as is expected cus they're racing through and creating everything as they go by
Pop-girlies2026-01-05 00:35
Nothing. They're assuming that just because some people didn't like the natlan exploration mechanics then they just got rid of them as a whole. The reality was really people disliking phlogiston due to it being region locked and specific parts of characters flying mechanics. Like the gun and the motorcycle. I didn't see anyone complaining about citlali's gliding animations, just really her character for example. It wasn't about the fact that they could move around in creative ways. If that was the case then people would complain about wanderer. They're probably just saving the special movement abilities for natlan characters.
Pop-girlies2026-01-04 22:39
what does people who disliked natlan even have to do with this buddy 🥀
ayumieshiny2026-01-04 22:42
im so sorry i can’t help it but diluc ragnvindr mentioned???????
Kerunemi2026-01-04 22:45
DILUC MENTION
ayumieshiny2026-01-04 22:45
RAHHH DILUC NATION RISE
Pop-girlies2026-01-04 23:28
DILUC MENTION!!!!111!!!!11
Terrasovia2026-01-04 22:41
That's absolute bullshit. Chiori and Lanyan released during natlan and they had none of the natlan improvements. It was just reserved for phlogiston characters. It's pure laziness and shaving off dev time, just like the fact that they only update model graphics through skins instead of patching up the worst looking characters, like Albedo.
ayumieshiny2026-01-04 22:45
correction chiori released during fontaine!
Terrasovia2026-01-04 22:48
True, i was thinking of Escoffier
Hot_Cat_10932026-01-04 22:45
Wdym by worst looking I think he's beautiful 😭💔
Plus-Theme-32832026-01-04 22:47
Chiori didn't released in natlan bro
Terrasovia2026-01-04 22:49
\*Escoffier
Plus-Theme-32832026-01-04 22:50
And she didn't had any exploration ability
Terrasovia2026-01-04 22:51
Yeah, that's my point. Those are reserved for natlan cast even if release is during natlan.
SecyaDenali2026-01-04 22:47
Hey yo Chiori is a baddie
MrCovell2026-01-04 23:16
You gonna get downvotes and people are gonna disagree, but you’re right lol.
babangelsin2026-01-05 00:08
"They did this to appeal to you" - Not Mihoyo, with 0 inside information, 2026
ItsukiKurosawa2026-01-04 22:25
Yes, the twins had something like that in the opening, and Durin even has wings during his attacks.
ayumieshiny2026-01-04 22:27
i completely forgot the twins had their own wings back at the very start 😭
TwilightSent2026-01-04 23:17
YEAHHHH!!! traveler also mentions all their powers were sealed (when discussing the wings) in case u forgot abt that!!! they legit had no acess to any abilities they had pre teyvat except martial skill
Khoakuma2026-01-04 23:57
My copium is that we are not getting any mobility for 6.0+ characters because the Traveler is getting their wings back soon, and we will get access to free flight as an exploration mechanic (if anyone play Wuwa they know what that's like), so adding more mobility on characters would be pointless. And then Durin will get a special wing skin during free flight or something.
\[dies from copium overdose\]
FatalWarrior2026-01-05 00:05
Technically Lauma has some low level mobility and Columbina seems like she'll be a very fast walker (she's hopping more than walking).
Ali-J232026-01-05 01:56
Compared to natlan exploring with Nod krai characters is just so slow
So yeah i really wish they just a universal way to explore that any character can use, because sometimes i like to have the new character on my explore team
9yogenius2026-01-05 02:11
hopefully not. that would fuck exploration and environment design over
regularhope2026-01-05 03:18
Yea free flight would suck if they implemented it like wuwa. Wuwa maps are so empty and barren with pretty landmarks here and there now like a theme park
everwander2026-01-04 22:36
One day their wings will be released behind:
* a faction reputation score
* a series of world quests
* archon quest
* character story quest
* some random achievements
…but then at long last we can finally give them their wings which will be a few shades off from matching their outfits precisely and look just *wrong* until EOS
dozenofroses2026-01-04 22:48
They literaly give us the travelers skin for doing the AQ next patch, or is that too much work for you?
TripleEhBeef2026-01-04 23:26
"On the subject of garments..."
I think people would be happier if it didn't take six years to get our first Traveler skin.
People were *begging* for the Knight of Flowers outfit from Nahida's Birthday event, to say nothing about other regional skins we could have had.
nylakat2026-01-04 23:58
Honestly, I'm glad it came later because look at some of the older skins.
The new hair (post 5.0) looks so much cleaner and has animated bangs with more detail. They also adjust the head sizes and it looks really good. The old skins (Ayaka, Diluc, and more) do not have these new model improvements and it looks outdated.
But yeah, the Inazuma, Sumeru, Natlan cutscene outfits would make great skins.
megashadowbeast2026-01-05 01:25
Ayaka's skin is considered old? It just came out last yea-....
nylakat2026-01-05 01:56
Ok Grandma, let's get you to bed.
_justforamin_2026-01-04 22:54
they also literally have the 3d asset of the in-story wings. it’s just that adding all of the story stuff in game as an asset is going to x2 the storage requirement. fine tradeoff by me
TheoreticalScammist2026-01-04 23:21
Or playing the game on a Playstation?
RagnarokAeon2026-01-04 22:40
Kujou Sara too.
UseFew84142026-01-04 22:56
ororon gets his own wings for a few seconds when gliding
FatalWarrior2026-01-05 00:06
? Isn't that his cape?
LunarLoom212026-01-04 23:37
Hoyo makes so many little annoying decisions like this that I find baffling. It's like they see obvious wins and then decide "nah".
fakeforsureYT2026-01-04 22:25
I agree it's dumb they probably won't use their wings, Durin doesn't, but at the same time curious to see if they pair well with the Nod-Krai wind glider! They might?
ayumieshiny2026-01-04 22:27
yeah! i tend to pair them up with their corresponding elements, 80% of the time they look nice, but i don’t think the natlan wings will look nice.. the nod krai ones are probably best!
paye_eh2026-01-04 22:27
durin 2
mr_beanoz2026-01-04 22:29
Man, if Durin and Nicole could fly the way Wanderer did maybe more would pull for them. (I'd like to put Chasca, but maybe that would be too much)
howlingwolf1232026-01-04 22:30
If you don't like it don't pull, simple as that
Malyesa2026-01-04 22:55
If you don't like the post don't comment, simple as that. See how dumb that is? People are allowed to express their opinions on characters, and if this causes them to not pull I think that the devs would want to know.
Virtual-Top41622026-01-04 22:32
But I mean I heard they fixing Durin's wings in 6.3 So. . .
Grouchy_Gap452026-01-04 23:00
When?
Virtual-Top41622026-01-04 23:01
Idk but if they DO it'll be in the 1st half
Winterlord72026-01-04 22:40
Ssshhhh I am still recovering from Durin. 🐉
Grimstarzz2026-01-05 00:14
Durin, a literal dragon that had been name-dropped since the launch of the game, 5+ years ago, got a standard glider for "flying".
Meanwhile a shaman and a farmer from Natlan got unique gliding animations. I really wonder what was going through the devs' head when they made those decisions.
Stealthless2026-01-04 22:43
Yep, never expect HYV to go the extra mile!
No-Change-13032026-01-04 22:43
When we had special flying animations people cried because it didn’t fit in genshin so eat the slop you cooked
HiddenGooseEgg2026-01-04 22:50
I mean I love Chasca and I’ll still say her flying gun is stupid
No-Change-13032026-01-04 22:52
But it’s fun and unique and citlali has unique gladding animations, but Durin didn’t get it because he’s a bum
HiddenGooseEgg2026-01-04 22:55
For what it’s worth, I saw way more praise for Citlali and saying more Natlan characters should’ve been like her instead of Chasca gun or Mavuika bike
And ngl all of the nod Krai characters are bums for exploration. My disappointment when using Nefer’s special dash was immeasurable
No-Change-13032026-01-04 22:59
Opinions are subjective, but Nataln exploring was something actually interesting and fun, even the devs know that they made a treasure compass show you everything and tell you to get it
abu_al_fuad692026-01-04 22:52
Uh huh yeah that happened yep totally
No-Change-13032026-01-04 22:53
What do you not believe?
New_Nature2202026-01-04 23:49
The people complaining hated her being "waifu bait" for traveler not because of her pillow. Those same people even liked her pillow because it's cute. She was one of the few characters they actually liked the design from Natlan but the "waifu bait" ruined it for them. I've never seen complaints for her traversal or design, but for her personality when she interacts with traveler. She got even less complaint than Columbina since Columbina also got complaints for her bare, plain legs or her magenta and blue color palette not matching or making fun of her fake heels.
Even so Natlan complaints got nothing to do with the devs not giving traversal skills to newer characters. Traversal skills are tied to the terrains of the nation because the devs have expected estimates on how long people should take to explore. They don't want it to be too easy. Natlan's terrains and the Saurians are the reason Natlan characters all have traversal skills.
BellalovesEevee2026-01-04 23:28
Honestly, I've seen more people hate on Citlali's character than her gliding animation.
Malyesa2026-01-04 22:54
Probably because it was a gun/motorcycle as opposed to a special flying animation? :))
No-Change-13032026-01-04 22:56
Citlali had a pillow and still got hate, honestly seen them fuck Durin over was such a pleasure
XnoxNeo2026-01-04 23:05
Bro thinks using the giant flying revolver is the same as a character using his wings lmao
TheSaiguy2026-01-04 22:44
Hoyo I'm not pulling Nicole without her angel wings
ayumieshiny2026-01-04 22:46
it’s basically a part of her 🥹
New_Nature2202026-01-04 23:56
It'll be in her ult just like Durin and Columbina.
Better-Movie-77362026-01-05 00:03
You Will get the Wings tho but Will you get them in exploration, who knows
SoggyBlood29812026-01-04 22:49
I can't comprehend why wouldn't they do something similar to Citlali/Ororon for During and Nicole... They did it with them, why not do it for someone else too.
Express-Bag-39352026-01-04 23:07
It's simple- Natlan region was the region of exploration focus, including movement fused with combat. Ororon is the only bow user with mid air charged attacks and without using a skill to grant that ability like it is with Chasca.
He also has special elemental sight. That's something Durin doesn't have either.
Only anemo and Natlan characters can get flight. Imagine Bennett getting natlanese citizenship and ends up getting nightsoul transmission and traversal like flying or grappling hook like Kinich. That would actually be very sick. Not only would Bennett get Cinder City but a traversal skill.
Supreme-Machine-V22026-01-04 23:24
Kinda sad Natlan ended ngl easily my favorite region to explore wish we could get one more expansion for it
Grouchy_Gap452026-01-04 23:39
That's the point : it didn't end, we are in nod krai and so far those damn recklesd fatui have a Pyro gnosis to take, and a region called mare jivari to explore
Supreme-Machine-V22026-01-04 23:48
Ended as in map expansions for it.
I also don't know if Mare Jivari will be same as Natlan.
Grouchy_Gap452026-01-04 23:50
Mare jivari is in natlan, just as hyperborea is in nod krai for example. Here lies the seventh tribe of natlan who was completely destroyed by bakunawa, as well as countless mondstadt adventurers (Stanley and his crew for example)
Supreme-Machine-V22026-01-04 23:55
I thought it would play similar to other sub regions in the world like Chasm,Remuria Enkanomiya compared to main island.
I'm excited for Mare Jivari though just a glimpse of it we got from the quest got me so hyped up.
mephyerst2026-01-05 00:53
And why is natlan the only region aloud? People like you keep saying that but there is no law that says only natlan get to have fun movement. The box has been opened. People now have experienced fun movement abilities. Not letting durin at the very least use his wings for gliding is ridiculous.
Ewiwa_Moon2026-01-05 01:23
It's like they want to make sure Natlan units are the only one with these mechanics aside from very select few. But it's not like Durin has to have amazing exploration capabilities, why is it so hard to give a unit some unit mechanics if they're not anemo or from Natlan? They could've at least made him work like Arlecchino too
titoforyou2026-01-04 22:50
Lmao so true. She's going to get the Durin treatment.
Notkiller2026-01-04 22:52
Lazy lame wing design as always. Just look at Durin - Perfect for upgrade in design and what do we get?
catskii2026-01-04 23:00
Maybe you get one wing per constellation
Out_Absentia2026-01-04 23:24
This is possibly the right answer. 😂
CrimsonSaens2026-01-04 23:01
At least in Nicole's case, her angel wings seem like they're for her burst animation/mode and might require effort for her to use in lore. Durin's case had no excuses.
Kawaiilone2026-01-05 00:07
he even flies with them in his story quest cutscene (although that's an animation and not a cutscene)
genshin4ddict2026-01-05 03:00
He also flew with them in his trailer!
bsromulo2026-01-04 23:01
Y'all complain about everything. My god...
Blasian3852026-01-04 23:05
Everyone saying it's cause people 'hated on natlan' okay where was any non natlan character's special movement during 5.X onwards? It was reserved for Natlan characters only pretty much last time I checked.
Also we literally have Lauma's unique charged attack movement if it's just about animations, they clearly have it in them to do it they just pick and choose who gets it.
Grouchy_Gap452026-01-04 23:44
Simply because it wasnt their point: the two non natlan characters who released in 5.X are skirk and escoffier, and guess what, they both have an exploration abilities that fit what they are and what we see in game
Escoffier has the dishes cooking since she's a chief, she isnt meant to fly
Skirk has an exploration ability
Here we are talking about characters like durin or Nicole who show clearly what they can do exploration wise but their kit doesn't contain that or they are just put as fancy accessories (wings) to look cool instead of exploration abilities
Rouge_means_red2026-01-05 02:46
But muh agenda!
Goonders2026-01-04 23:09
I'm pretty sure they're saving the flight mechanics for Khaenriah and/or Celestia. Celestia is literally in the sky so it stands to reason we'd get flying mechanics to traverse it then but until then we're stuck on the ground.
zzzuwuzzz2026-01-04 23:32
Kid name scara and chasca and xianyun
Goonders2026-01-04 23:47
I don't really count that since they both have durations and downtime. I'm talking about true flight.
zzzuwuzzz2026-01-05 00:01
If you swap between chasca and ororon in natlan, you have infinite flight
GrapeAggressive97072026-01-04 23:10
Right? It’s wild how much epic stuff they packed into the beginning! They definitely set the bar high…
tempoltone2026-01-04 23:13
Maybe locked behind $$$/cosmetic
Fit_Yoghurt_31422026-01-04 23:17
In story : WinX
In gameplay : Hang Glider
Justice for Durin
🥹
van_man512026-01-04 23:25
Would be cool if that was her nodkrai specific passive at least, like flins with the ghosts, nefer and intel and lauma with animals. Just let her wings replace her glider hoyo plz
SilverScribe152026-01-04 23:41
Most likely yeah
rand_integer2026-01-04 23:52
what is the difference between flying and gliding?
FatalWarrior2026-01-05 00:10
maintaining altitude?
RitoOuma2026-01-04 23:54
It's sad to see so many in the comments playing da wei's advocate.
You guys can't be serious defending their laziness. No one is asking for wuwa levels of mobility, just a glider skin.
Grimstarzz2026-01-05 00:21
They are earning hundreds of millions for each new character and we are getting the same running animations, plunging animations, weapon stances in the character menu, gliding animations and even charged attacks for the same character models.
For the amount of money they are earning, they sure are lazy with their animations for new characters. At this point each character should have a lot more variety in their movement. It's crazy that people are defending their laziness.
Secret_Conclusion_932026-01-05 00:37
I think it's not laziness, as they have the code for Wanderer, Arlecchino, and Citlali.
It's more like someone who previously design the movement was told to dial down the exploration tech for Nod Krai.
BrokenAstraea2026-01-04 23:58
God forbid hoyo puts a little bit more effort on a character that will earn them $50,000,000
AngelicalBabe32026-01-05 00:09
he ultimate Teyvat bait-and-switch. 😭
Cold_Introduction5002026-01-05 00:26
Genshin character design has frustrated me bcs x character will show x skills for x seconds instead of minutes in an open world game.
Corrupted-BOI2026-01-05 00:28
Some of these comments really are a great example of "Leave the multi-billion company alone !!"
There's no excuse for not giving anything related to his wings, not even a damn glider skin
objectiv3lycorrect2026-01-05 00:30
nah, it will be limited skin you will get for buying 20k genesis crystals
RichtheLionheart2026-01-05 01:00
I tried to avoid complaining too much but I do think they went overboard with the Durin thing. Hoyo likes to protect the integrity of the lore and I think it’s kinda stupid that Durin doesn’t use his wings. I thought they were going to work around it by stating there were lore reasons for him hiding his wings around people but clearly that’s not the case.
I don’t think Hoyo did it out of laziness. I think it was a conscious decision to protect the rerun value of Natlan characters. The thing is - their exploration abilities didn’t need to be powercrept. Look at Lauma. Her deer form is not that great but it’s very pretty and immersive in the environment. Didn’t step on the toes of the Natlan characters or even others but it was still something.
I think they are very aware of the negative feedback and hopefully they don’t do another Durin situation
fourrier012026-01-05 01:23
Can't wait for the amount of yap she does in her idle animation.
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What's more, i even thought things had started to change since they had Ororon and Citlali have special glide animation, effects and mechanics.
I absolutely love his super jump + glide combo
The only one that does not really hold up to their "upgrade" really is Iansan, the difference between her and Varesa is too drastic. The paradox is that Ifa might even have better flight than chasca.
Honestly i wonder if they will ever add 4 stars from the scyons of the canopy or people of the springs... i suspect a 4 star people of the springs would not hold up to mualani's absurd level of water and lava walking
Hoyo, in response, instead of making the free mobility better, just straight up flattens the terrain back to pre-Fontaine level and has us run around on foot instead.
I don't understand people wanting to get from point a to b faster all the time. The pace is good as it is. Exploration in games often becomes boring and pointless once you introduce free flying.
Being able to rollerblade up vertical cliffs, glide on a large pillow or drive around and jet pack through the air on a motorbike were great.
It's like people can't have legit critique on a game or they become "haters". People should be glad that people criticize any game, it often results in devs listening to their playerbase.
We even got superior flying with Chasca that Ifa is nearly similar to, and she is also like the only anemo character of her kind, becoming a PhEC character based on team composition.
Hoyo dialed back after the creative flow that the Natlan kits were created from. The only real impressive kit or gameplay design with Nod Krai would be lunar crystallize while the other lunar reactions are mid or just mediocre, sidegrade, or useless without specific character to use it (looking at you, lunar bloom).
We need more character kits that blend combat and mobility together. Varesa and Mavuika and even Ifa can do it fairly well. There is also no other bow user other than Ororon that could do charged attack mid air outside of the realms of their kit.
5.x basically had top of the line kits. Even the 4 stars are decent to good- Ifa, Lan Yan, Iansan, and Ororon. Outside Mizuki, pretty much all 5 stars have good kits, including Citlali, ineffa, Skirk, and Escoffier.
If the devs and artists were lazy, the characters wouldn't use wings in combat or cutscenes either.
As someone who worked on games: devs, designers and artists work very hard on games, and they regularly stay just an hour or two longer in the office (and unpaid) just to get this one thing or detail perfectly right because they actually care and love doing their job. They are artists. Do you know any artists? Most are perfectionists to their own detriment.
There ist very likely a different reason or calculation for why Hoyo doesn't want characters to use their own wings instead of the glider than just pure laziness.
You will be classified as a "shill" or "defend multi billion dollar company" because you dont agree with them.
You must be negative and shit on everyone who works on a game because you didnt get what you want and they are lazy.
I could start naming things this game does that shits all over the industry from few miles but its pointless. Im a shill if I do that.
A take i don't agree with cus it's a known fact that nod krai is a whole new region the dev team created after Natlan, it's simply didn't exist anywhere in lore, it's too small a place so ofc ur not getting the same amount of stuff you would as expected of a more larger in size region - it's too compact and densely made with its purpose being to tie up lore points... See the amount of lore we got in such a short time? And such a small place too?
That's not even including the fact that the character designs ain't half bad either - nicole is literally the prettiest girl to come out, flins and varka are handsome af too, illuga is basically a 4 star supermodel
It's a tie in region meant to bump up the lores and models a bit, ofc you can't expect it to give full fledged things like in a full region such as fontaine or natlan, there's bound to be some corners cut somewhere as is expected cus they're racing through and creating everything as they go by
Yes, the twins had something like that in the opening, and Durin even has wings during his attacks.
\[dies from copium overdose\]
So yeah i really wish they just a universal way to explore that any character can use, because sometimes i like to have the new character on my explore team
* a faction reputation score
* a series of world quests
* archon quest
* character story quest
* some random achievements
…but then at long last we can finally give them their wings which will be a few shades off from matching their outfits precisely and look just *wrong* until EOS
I think people would be happier if it didn't take six years to get our first Traveler skin.
People were *begging* for the Knight of Flowers outfit from Nahida's Birthday event, to say nothing about other regional skins we could have had.
The new hair (post 5.0) looks so much cleaner and has animated bangs with more detail. They also adjust the head sizes and it looks really good. The old skins (Ayaka, Diluc, and more) do not have these new model improvements and it looks outdated.
But yeah, the Inazuma, Sumeru, Natlan cutscene outfits would make great skins.
Meanwhile a shaman and a farmer from Natlan got unique gliding animations. I really wonder what was going through the devs' head when they made those decisions.
And ngl all of the nod Krai characters are bums for exploration. My disappointment when using Nefer’s special dash was immeasurable
Even so Natlan complaints got nothing to do with the devs not giving traversal skills to newer characters. Traversal skills are tied to the terrains of the nation because the devs have expected estimates on how long people should take to explore. They don't want it to be too easy. Natlan's terrains and the Saurians are the reason Natlan characters all have traversal skills.
He also has special elemental sight. That's something Durin doesn't have either.
Only anemo and Natlan characters can get flight. Imagine Bennett getting natlanese citizenship and ends up getting nightsoul transmission and traversal like flying or grappling hook like Kinich. That would actually be very sick. Not only would Bennett get Cinder City but a traversal skill.
I also don't know if Mare Jivari will be same as Natlan.
I'm excited for Mare Jivari though just a glimpse of it we got from the quest got me so hyped up.
Also we literally have Lauma's unique charged attack movement if it's just about animations, they clearly have it in them to do it they just pick and choose who gets it.
Escoffier has the dishes cooking since she's a chief, she isnt meant to fly
Skirk has an exploration ability
Here we are talking about characters like durin or Nicole who show clearly what they can do exploration wise but their kit doesn't contain that or they are just put as fancy accessories (wings) to look cool instead of exploration abilities
In gameplay : Hang Glider
Justice for Durin
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You guys can't be serious defending their laziness. No one is asking for wuwa levels of mobility, just a glider skin.
For the amount of money they are earning, they sure are lazy with their animations for new characters. At this point each character should have a lot more variety in their movement. It's crazy that people are defending their laziness.
It's more like someone who previously design the movement was told to dial down the exploration tech for Nod Krai.
There's no excuse for not giving anything related to his wings, not even a damn glider skin
I don’t think Hoyo did it out of laziness. I think it was a conscious decision to protect the rerun value of Natlan characters. The thing is - their exploration abilities didn’t need to be powercrept. Look at Lauma. Her deer form is not that great but it’s very pretty and immersive in the environment. Didn’t step on the toes of the Natlan characters or even others but it was still something.
I think they are very aware of the negative feedback and hopefully they don’t do another Durin situation
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