Envisaged Echoes Builds

Would it be fair to consider a successful envisaged echoes trial for DPS units to be a decent build without a want for extra investment. I understand support units usually need different builds but I've completed Keqing and Ninguang and going to try Diluc. Would these characters be built for basic requirements outside abyss floor 12 if they complete that level?

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Dry-Intern5192026-01-04 23:39

It could be possible.

This is maybe just a me problem, but I built my Diluc for a plunge team. Despite the fact that I did in fact beat the Echo, I could not for the life of me complete the Abyss with him. I don’t know whether it was my build or just the fact that I’m not used to playing a Diluc plunge team.

My Kazuha on the other hand, he was build fine for both.

kazuyaminegishi2026-01-05 00:10

Sounds like you are asking "is a build that is good enough to beat envisaged echoes also good enough to do most overworld and story content" in which case, yes.

It is not good enough to do Abyss 12 if its just barely good enough to clear that, but its definitely good enough for story and overworld.

Drongo14042026-01-05 00:39

Pretty much that's it, I'm AR 60 with some pretty well invested characters but in the case of say trying a different team for IT or overworld then is it a good base line to feel things out from. Thank you for the reply.

kazuyaminegishi2026-01-05 00:54

Yeah its definitely good enough for overworld, early waves of IT or non-boss waves. So you should be more than fine.

KeyMuscle83662026-01-05 00:40

My experience (I have 13 of 17 echoes) to pass Envisaged Echoes regarding builds is that it is trial dependent. Yes, success in a trial requires solid character investment but a standard loadout may need to be adjusted for an Echo trial for at least 3 reasons
\- the mechanics of the Echoes trial
\- in a trial, you have the single character or a specific assigned team as opposed to a full custom team
\- you may or may not have energy unlike in Spiral Abyss

I have good builds for my Keqing and Ningguang but I remember them being a test of knowing their mechanics ; Keqing using her teleport and Ning with her curtain.

Enough investment - ie. constellations or 5\* weapons - can steamroll mechanics. My Dehya even though built as a defensive support burst enough damage to get through mainly because she was C4

Two trials where I vividly remember having to adjust my regular loadout are Yelan's and Raiden's. Raiden's was rough because you have to balance ER and offense stats to be able to burst consistently while doing enough damage.

I don't have Klee's, Ganyu's, Shenhe's echoes because I dont own those units and Diluc's echo I dont have simply because he is at 80. I dont play him at all considering so many more pyro DPS'es exist.

avarageusername2026-01-05 00:51

I mean yeah i guess you need a decent build, but its not really a great metric since its a game with 4 characters in a team and the challange is the character solo with no buffs or anything. Like in the best keqing teams fischl does pretty much just as much damage as herself.

But i didnt do a lot of these because i dont have the characters or dont wanna waste resin to level 90 them just to get that when i wont ever even see it. I wish they added more or other uses for the keys because mine are always capped, why can you only hold 4?