On the topic of morally gray characters what do you guys think about navia?

I've seen a decent number of people talk about morally grey characters but i've never navia come up in the discussion although she runs a organisation that will execute traitors without any due process for judgement by law.

It's not like she isn't aware either, the Something to Share: The Dependable Spina di Rosula voiceline is "If you've spent long enough in the Fleuve Cendre, you might have noticed that there are a lot of other groups in Fontaine besides the Spina di Rosula. Beware of them — they each have their own agenda, and they're not all friendly like us. If you ever find yourself in a tight spot, you can always ask Mr. Tetreaux at the bar for help. Unless you're dealing with someone who isn't in the mood to sit down and have a conversation, in which case... White Glove will sort things out. You can count on him.", the "white glove" in question is sonny, who alongside luca is pretty heavily implied to have killed virgil(probably referencing the godfather). Just for the record virgil isn't a good guy, he tried to kill the traveller and was a sinthe dealer but the spina still decided to directly execute him instead of handing him over to the authorities for judgement so why's she never brought up when talking about character who get up to very questionable work, her case is probably even worse than some others cuz fontaine unlike a lot of other places does seem to have actual proper laws in place to handle situations like this.

Anyways i'm not really tryna say she's a bad person or anything i'm just curious as to why she isn't labelled as a "morally grey" character when she's the head of a organisation uses very questionable methods of justice and operates illegally.

the quest for anyone curious is [https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/A\_Fontainian\_Message](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/A_Fontainian_Message)

Voir le contenu lié

Commentaires

No-Change-13032026-01-05 00:33

Because the devs don’t take it seriously, so why should the players. I mean they are literally whitewashing the antagonist in the current arc

Perfect_Increase87922026-01-05 00:45

>the devs don’t take it seriously

True like I don't see the game acknowledge rhinedotter as an insane one with the way how friendly EVERYONE to her lol

Weaponmaster4702026-01-05 00:47

Why would anyone ingame be stupid enough to question RhineGODtier? You hope she doesn't look at you long enough to turn you into an edgy purple thing, then a marketable twink.

Perfect_Increase87922026-01-05 00:52

>You hope she doesn't look at you long enough to turn you into an edgy purple thing

I WILL draw her as the most outrageous/ugly/horrendous/horrible looking monster and she can't do ANYTHING about it

Weaponmaster4702026-01-05 00:55

Oh splendid! Maybe AndersGODtier, Patron of Fanon AUs, will somehow bless your fanon headcanon too!

Perfect_Increase87922026-01-05 00:56

>bless your fanon headcanon too

The Headcanon is already a fan made thingy so don't need to add fanon to it! Also what headcanon are we talking about?

Weaponmaster4702026-01-05 00:58

Physical appearance, obviously.

Perfect_Increase87922026-01-05 00:59

Good boy for answering

SansStan2026-01-05 00:49

How is Dottore getting whitewashed

Weaponmaster4702026-01-05 00:50

Ask his stans claiming he's doing it for the benefit of humanity's knowledge against the divine bro.

No-Change-13032026-01-05 00:50

He isn’t, but the others however

SansStan2026-01-05 01:42

What antagonist in the current arc then? He's the only one right now

Don't tell me you'te talking about Sandrone

No-Change-13032026-01-05 01:49

Don’t tell me you forgot about the them being Fatui. And yes I’m talking about her, first she was introduced as an antagonist, but then we became buddies with her and later we learned she was besties with la signora whom we had a hand in killing, but that is never brought up. And what is it with them and acting like Dottore is the only one doing evil shit around? Sandrone solders were terrorising the people and Arle literally grooms kids into solders for the fatui. They got the mc talking about being good friends bs, since when ? Mid characters with mid development and the memory span of a gold fish

SansStan2026-01-05 01:55

And there it is, another FatuiHQer 😂

madzieeq2026-01-05 01:09

i don't think that whitewashing is the correct term for whatever you mean here

No-Change-13032026-01-05 01:12

It’s more like watering down the fact the fatui are Antagonist and pushing all the “bad vibes” on Dottore

bobwuzhere12242026-01-05 00:36

She sang Espresso to me, why should I question what she does in secret?

Ragology2026-01-05 00:38

Decent rack, I attack.

babangelsin2026-01-05 00:40

Because Genshin doesn't actually have morally grey characters. They paint certain characters, playable or otherwise, in a dark light momentarily, then completely sanitize them afterwards. They either can't or are unwilling to make characters consistently in moral ambiguity.

Imagine if the producers of Teletubbies decided to give one or two of the teletubbies an uncharacteristically mature scene which they never look back upon as the tone of the show shifts to normal right afterwards. That's what you are seeing here, basically. Those teletubbies are not "morally grey" now, they just decided to give a sneak peek of a world unknown to a bunch of children for some reason.

These brief cuts to maturity also consistently happen in background lore or world quest dialogue rather than the main story.

PhantasmShadow2026-01-05 00:53

Playable, not a shot. But I'd say there are definitely plenty of morally grey world quest characters. Rene, Liloupar, Och-Kan and Kukulkan could all probably be argued one way or the other. A few dead/off-screen characters like Deshret, Nibelung and Koitar probably fall here too.

babangelsin2026-01-05 01:09

With background lore or world quests you have these characters that are consistent in their pursuits, but they are usually "wrapped up" at the end of their segment or touched very vaguely with a lot of missing information around their motives in the first place (the cases of Deshret and Nibelung being obvious examples). They don't see the light of main story.

The only main story character that I can think of who remains in that state for a long amount of time was Dottore, but he also had an abrupt shift in his methods from a "working behind the scenes, evil scientist with big evil plot" kind of character to a full blown endgame mega big bad who would directly face everyone. I think that relies on a lot of nodding and playing along from the audience as well. It is not necessarily sanitizing the character, but making them into a caricature that are more easily digested as "bad dude".

beautheschmo2026-01-05 01:27

Tbf the first time we saw him, he conjured up a whole fkn parade of brainwashed NPCs and then waited for the traveler to show up in front of Nahida's front door just to moderately inconvenience them even though he could have easily just rekt them himself if he wanted to, i don't think it's *that* OOC for him to ham it up occasionally.

babangelsin2026-01-05 01:36

> he could have easily just rekt them himself

You've got pretty close here but decided to completely miss anyway

The_Great_Ravioli2026-01-05 00:42

Because there is different shades of grey, and just having a group dedicated in doing dirty work isn't enough for players to care about the morality of a character.

IllustratorLast12812026-01-05 01:04

she is the leader of the organisation, everything the organisation does is to some extent her responsibility so i feel like her having a group dedicated to doing the dirty work is related to her morality?

The_Great_Ravioli2026-01-05 01:20

Jahoda went on a murder spree against a group that ended her clan of thieves.

Aino was about to destroy Nod-Krai to find her missing robot.

Kokomi's troops wiped out an entire village in Inazuma and abused delusions.

Ayaka gaslit the traveler regarding how visions effect people and hid resistance members in Tenshukaku.

Hu Tao constantly advertises her buisness that both tasteless and annoys others.

Mavuika persistently makes Xilonen work over and over again on equipment when she doesn't want to.

You gonna start calling all them "morally grey" like Navia?

Charles1Morgan2026-01-05 01:33

Suddently you get me wanting to see Aino and Klee meet up...

IllustratorLast12812026-01-05 01:37

in jahoda's case sure but she is in nod krai so there isn't exactly anything else she can do so it's still not as bad

aino's a child who's just immature and doesn't understand how damaging her actions are so you can't question her morality to the same extent as adults

in ayaka's case inazuma wasn't exactly under a good or functional government at the moment and her actions were of protecting others not eliminating others

hu tao being annoying and mavuika giving xilonen a lot of work isn't comparible to executing people in general.

The_Great_Ravioli2026-01-05 01:43

> in ayaka's case inazuma wasn't exactly under a good or functional government at the moment and her actions were of protecting others not eliminating others

lolololol.

Think **REAL** carefully about what you said here, and see if you are self-aware enough to see what you just did.

IllustratorLast12812026-01-05 01:46

yeah i know, i never said she was a bad person just that she should be considered a somewhat morally ambigious character for actively having people executed, if she was breaking the law to like protect people like what caterpillar was doing i wouldn't really be questioning her morality.

99cent-tea2026-01-05 01:23

Would you rather have a serial killer stalking Fleuve Cendre or would you want Spina di Rosula to “take care” of the serial killer once you whisper it into Navia’s ear?

She may not be getting her own hands *that* dirty but she still makes decisions for the greater good because Fontaine’s justice system is stupid as hell

IllustratorLast12812026-01-05 01:39

honestly yeah fair enough fontaine's system of justice is pretty dogshit.

Weaponmaster4702026-01-05 00:43

Lol moral ambiguity

10/10 macaroons

0 living named charismatic minions

Gunbrella and geo cannons

"I use persuade"

I pull

SanicHegehag2026-01-05 00:48

There is no good/evil in Genshin. There are just characters who are friendly or unfriendly to The Traveler.

If someone is nice to us, then they're in the clear, no matter what they've done.

thwrlsgenshin2026-01-05 01:05

well to be fair the entire judicial system in Fontaine relayed on decisions made by cards printed by a machine and a dragon iudex 😆

StanTheWoz2026-01-05 01:17

Given how insane the Fontaine legal system is, it's hard for me to blame them for going outside of it

the_new_standard2026-01-05 05:17

"It's like a police department for wiseguys"