Celestia
Please tell me if I’m mistaken or if I’ve misunderstood some lore. I have a question about two things.
1. Khaenri’ah, Celestia, and the Cataclysm
In Genshin lore, why do people from Khaenri’ah say that the gods destroyed their nation? This includes why the Abyss sibling, Dainsleif, and Pierro are so anti-Celestia and anti-gods. From what I understand, the main factors behind Khaenri’ah’s destruction were the Cataclysm caused primarily by King Irmin and the nation’s growing meddling with the Abyss. Even if Celestia and the Archons had done nothing and merely watched, Khaenri’ah would have been destroyed anyway—and the damage would have spread across all of Teyvat.
The only reason Celestia and the Archons went to Khaenri’ah at all was to contain and stop the situation, and even then, it still caused massive damage to Teyvat. The situation was bad enough that the Primordial One themselves has been in a coma since then. Because of this, the idea that Celestia came to Khaenri’ah purely to destroy it makes no sense to me; it seems like damage control rather than a deliberate act of annihilation.
Khaenri’ah existed for at least 6,000 years, yet Celestia never appeared to have an issue with it before. Do people really think Celestia randomly decided to destroy it one day? I can’t fully understand why the Abyss sibling, Dainsleif, and Pierro are so anti-Celestia. I’m starting to feel that “the gods destroyed Khaenri’ah” may be a case of an unreliable narrator.
I also don’t understand why the sibling hates the Heavenly Principles, since the Cataclysm was caused by an Abyss-corrupted Irmin. As for the curse of immortality, I believe it was cast as a form of damage control—to prevent Abyss-corrupted Khaenri’ahns from entering the ley lines. Full-blooded Khaenri’ahns may even be descended from the Voyagers in some way, given their star-shaped eyes.
Meanwhile, the curse of the wilderness may have occurred because half-blooded Khaenri’ahns rushed to the surface in a panic, triggering the curse—not because Ronova directly cast it. Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter who was guilty or innocent, because the entire situation was about containment—to stop the Abyss, the strongest force in Genshin, from destroying all of Teyvat along with Khaenri’ah.
Is there some other lore I’m missing?
2. The Fatui, the Abyss, and Celestia
Do the Fatui actually have a way to deal with the Abyss, the Dragons, and the lingering hatred of the old world? So far, all I’ve seen is them creating weapons or tools to overthrow Celestia. But what comes after that? I doubt a group that allows people like Dottore to act without restraint would make things better than Celestia.
I also don’t understand why the Tsaritsa hates and wants to overthrow Celestia because of the Cataclysm. Most of Celestia’s actions during that event seem reasonable from a pragmatic, containment-focused perspective. Am I missing important context?
As for the Heavenly Principles / Primordial One
Lore-wise, what do you think the Primordial One’s true goal is?
Personally, I theorize that the Primordial One originally came from a destroyed human civilization within the Genshin universe—one that was wiped out by the Abyss as the universe itself is dying. The lore surrounding the Traveler twins suggests their original world was likely destroyed by the Abyss, forcing them to wander the universe in search of a new home. The same may is true for the witch Octavia, and possibly even the Primordial One.
I believe the Primordial One either collected the souls of those humans—or preserved their forms or “essence”—and carried them while traveling across the universe in search of a new world for humanity. Eventually, they chose Teyvat and terraformed it. Recent lore makes it unclear whether humans were created in Teyvat or simply placed there afterward.
There’s a line describing humans as: unlike other beings, most humans can barely control elemental forces. The Descender cast them into Teyvat, giving them the power to change environments to suit themselves. I think the AI mentioned in the Wings of Delicacies lore might be an allegory for the Primordial One.
This could also explain why the Primordial One is so harsh toward any nation or being that seeks higher knowledge, tries to peer beyond the false sky, or attempts to use the Abyss. That former human civilization may have doomed itself through those exact actions—either by experimenting with the Abyss or by attracting it. As a result, Celestia does not tolerate such behavior, though they arguably take it too far at times.
This mirrors what happened in Teyvat with Khaenri’ah: their actions and widespread use of the Abyss led directly to the Cataclysm and massive Abyssal corruption.
1. Khaenri’ah, Celestia, and the Cataclysm
In Genshin lore, why do people from Khaenri’ah say that the gods destroyed their nation? This includes why the Abyss sibling, Dainsleif, and Pierro are so anti-Celestia and anti-gods. From what I understand, the main factors behind Khaenri’ah’s destruction were the Cataclysm caused primarily by King Irmin and the nation’s growing meddling with the Abyss. Even if Celestia and the Archons had done nothing and merely watched, Khaenri’ah would have been destroyed anyway—and the damage would have spread across all of Teyvat.
The only reason Celestia and the Archons went to Khaenri’ah at all was to contain and stop the situation, and even then, it still caused massive damage to Teyvat. The situation was bad enough that the Primordial One themselves has been in a coma since then. Because of this, the idea that Celestia came to Khaenri’ah purely to destroy it makes no sense to me; it seems like damage control rather than a deliberate act of annihilation.
Khaenri’ah existed for at least 6,000 years, yet Celestia never appeared to have an issue with it before. Do people really think Celestia randomly decided to destroy it one day? I can’t fully understand why the Abyss sibling, Dainsleif, and Pierro are so anti-Celestia. I’m starting to feel that “the gods destroyed Khaenri’ah” may be a case of an unreliable narrator.
I also don’t understand why the sibling hates the Heavenly Principles, since the Cataclysm was caused by an Abyss-corrupted Irmin. As for the curse of immortality, I believe it was cast as a form of damage control—to prevent Abyss-corrupted Khaenri’ahns from entering the ley lines. Full-blooded Khaenri’ahns may even be descended from the Voyagers in some way, given their star-shaped eyes.
Meanwhile, the curse of the wilderness may have occurred because half-blooded Khaenri’ahns rushed to the surface in a panic, triggering the curse—not because Ronova directly cast it. Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter who was guilty or innocent, because the entire situation was about containment—to stop the Abyss, the strongest force in Genshin, from destroying all of Teyvat along with Khaenri’ah.
Is there some other lore I’m missing?
2. The Fatui, the Abyss, and Celestia
Do the Fatui actually have a way to deal with the Abyss, the Dragons, and the lingering hatred of the old world? So far, all I’ve seen is them creating weapons or tools to overthrow Celestia. But what comes after that? I doubt a group that allows people like Dottore to act without restraint would make things better than Celestia.
I also don’t understand why the Tsaritsa hates and wants to overthrow Celestia because of the Cataclysm. Most of Celestia’s actions during that event seem reasonable from a pragmatic, containment-focused perspective. Am I missing important context?
As for the Heavenly Principles / Primordial One
Lore-wise, what do you think the Primordial One’s true goal is?
Personally, I theorize that the Primordial One originally came from a destroyed human civilization within the Genshin universe—one that was wiped out by the Abyss as the universe itself is dying. The lore surrounding the Traveler twins suggests their original world was likely destroyed by the Abyss, forcing them to wander the universe in search of a new home. The same may is true for the witch Octavia, and possibly even the Primordial One.
I believe the Primordial One either collected the souls of those humans—or preserved their forms or “essence”—and carried them while traveling across the universe in search of a new world for humanity. Eventually, they chose Teyvat and terraformed it. Recent lore makes it unclear whether humans were created in Teyvat or simply placed there afterward.
There’s a line describing humans as: unlike other beings, most humans can barely control elemental forces. The Descender cast them into Teyvat, giving them the power to change environments to suit themselves. I think the AI mentioned in the Wings of Delicacies lore might be an allegory for the Primordial One.
This could also explain why the Primordial One is so harsh toward any nation or being that seeks higher knowledge, tries to peer beyond the false sky, or attempts to use the Abyss. That former human civilization may have doomed itself through those exact actions—either by experimenting with the Abyss or by attracting it. As a result, Celestia does not tolerate such behavior, though they arguably take it too far at times.
This mirrors what happened in Teyvat with Khaenri’ah: their actions and widespread use of the Abyss led directly to the Cataclysm and massive Abyssal corruption.
Commentaires
The traveller hates the gods for the curse, the eternal khanerians hate them for the curse. Ig it's cuz, they could have killed them instead of turning everyone into monsters ?
Plus also celestia has destroyed many advanced civilizations who tried to achieve some sort of grand transcendence like Sal Vindagnyr etc.
The reason is not known why !- but it could be to stop them from reaching godhood ?
Not because the civilization was advanced. PO let the voyager, Koitar and the humans make technological advances but they only intervened when the humans built a tower to come in contact with Celestia.
The rules are simple as not using the power of the abyss, trying not to tear down the false sky and not trying to overthrow HP
HP only nails civilizations when there’s a reason to. For example the abyss corrupting Teyvat or FK spreading
As for the second question, this is still nebulous, they certainly have weapons to fight Celestia but their utmost goal is not clear as even inside the Fatui there seems to be discrepancy
Not sadistic
Los experimentos que el Rey hacía con el Abismo eran secreto de estado, solo unos pocos sabían lo que hacían, por eso es bastante normal que los Khaenrianos hablen desde la ignorancia. Los dioses vinieron, destruyeron nuestro hogar, convirtieron monstruos a unos y maldijeron a otros con la inmortalidad.
2. Aún no conocemos las intenciones de la Zarina para querer derrocar al Orden Celestial, aunque por supuesto hay bastantes teorías al respecto, sin embargo, podemos asumir que es plenamente consciente de la amenaza que representa el Abismo para el mundo.
Se puede decir que el Orden Celestial es el villano de la historia, pero realmente no es así. Ahora que conocemos el lamentable estado del universo entendemos el por qué Celestia hace lo que hace, y si estuviéramos en su posición, haríamos lo mismo para preservar la vida. El cielo falso, el Irminsul, el destino, y las leyes del mundo solo están para proteger a la humanidad, pero como siempre, los humanos siempre querrán más, y eso sería el fin de todo. Por eso creo firmemente que las acciones de Celestia están justificadas. Pagan justos por pecadores, pero así es el mundo y la vida.
Now you got why they nuked khaenriah, it was because king irmin activated rhinne monsters that where supposedly to be an khaenriah defense mechanism but was used to make a genocide and those monsters escaped to the whole teyvat, so celestia sent archons to deal with it and when some archons died ronova and probably asmoday [ because of her cubes] stepped in and nuked the whole place
With the limited perspective from those who survived maybe they blamed celestia because as pierro says, gods are supposed to be all powerful, yet that happened and they died, meaning that they are not powerful or don't care with their people