Should IT give 2 characters per round?

As a welkin player, I have been completing the stars on this no problem except for the previous IT. The mode has been more stressful recently due to character pool. The problem as well is, you are forced to keep a certain character reserved for a specific floor otherwise you can't clear it due to powercreep. This mode is supposed to be fun and random team build but due to enemies having higher and higher hp, you just cant do that anymore. Either fix the hp inflation, or fix the rng on characters. That's just my opinion based on experience.

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LibraProtocol2026-01-05 17:20

Yeah ngl, the lord of fire and iron crab has been a roadblock for me more than once because of how much HP that shit has

CorrectOlive43842026-01-05 17:26

Yeah not even just the hp but the specific mechanics or the fact that characters are now needing specific teammates more and more, its going to accumulate in IT becoming near impossible to complete without luck given another year or two of this

PojVicious2026-01-05 17:33

And Im not even thinking they would improve this. Years I've seen hoyo doing nothing despite player's pleas for change.

LibraProtocol2026-01-05 17:48

*gets chevy *

*in a IT with Hydro and Pyro*

Fml

Yeah characters like Chevy and Skirk has made IT problematic at times

CorrectOlive43842026-01-05 17:53

Or Nilou when theres no dendro.

Yeah when they came out is when i started to notice, but only recently did the situation start to get actually bad enough to care; ascendant gleam need two, hex buff need two, bosses that need specific mechanics. I really liked IT but the future is not looking good for it.

LibraProtocol2026-01-05 17:57

*gets Aino*
*doesn’t get any other nod Krai unit*
*stares the most borderline useless hydro*

Rare_Marionberry7822026-01-05 20:19

Or Columbina with Anemo, Pyro and Cryo, does she still work ? Lol

SHTPST_Tianquan2026-01-05 19:15

the reality of IT is that, unless we're talking about extremely specific circumstances or situations, good/perfect teams or synergies don't matter unless you're in the latest stages... of the highest difficulty modes (like the newest one with an effective of 12 stages)

aerie_zephyr2026-01-05 22:44

I’ve done Skirk as well as Nilou in team comps that didn’t suit them, ie pyro or etc, and the IT buffs have gotten them to star the floors. You don’t really need as strict teams as you think

Impossible_Lock11722026-01-05 17:30

Imaginarium is well built, nothing about it should change imo. I’ll probably be downvoted heavily for saying this. Better decisions should be made and more characters should be invested into. It’s the best gamemode in the game compared to the others

PojVicious2026-01-05 17:33

Tbh its my fave mode since its release, except recently. My characters are well built, I guess my real main issue here is they give too little characters per round. That might fix it for me. Btw what do you prioritize? Getting companion or buffs? I try to balance but I cant find the sweet spot.

Impossible_Lock11722026-01-05 17:38

In the early rounds, I prioritize companions so I can get as many bad teams out of the way as early as possible. I do get the lvl 1 buffs at least. I start to get more buffs as time goes and I plan my characters strategically around the bosses and what supports can be shared and what cant. Like the crab for example, is a boss I saved my Neuvillette for even when he’s good in aoe and etc. Next patch, I’ll save my Navia for the legatus golem at stage 10 and etc.

PojVicious2026-01-05 17:41

Okay I'll try that. Thanks. I remember the old IT just getting 1 type of reaction buff gets me through. This time.. Have to do more thinking.

Impossible_Lock11722026-01-05 17:44

Yep. Make sure to have a balance of dps and supports as well. I make a rule to never use more than one or two supports at any given time and to never use good characters early on unless absolutely necessary

CHILLED_02026-01-05 18:46

Yeah that's why you're struggling. 1 type only? You for sure need at least 1 of each as the damage from these buffs are quite high. If possible add as many characters as you can to the pool (you get more buffs). From the post, don't complain about RNG just reset. I'm also a welkin only player and haven't struggle in IT.

IMO a good strat is. Get level 1 buffs > A good chunk of characters (variety is good) > Get level 3 buffs (provides each character useful stats) > Level 4 only the reactions you need for final fight.

PojVicious2026-01-06 01:48

Oh this was early IT. Recently I balance out the buffs now.

Dreaming_Ares2026-01-05 17:53

IT is on no level well built. IT mechanics are constantly at odds with the game's fundamental mechanics. The mode has never been fun and needs a complete rebuild.

CHILLED_02026-01-05 18:36

Team building is a fundamental aspect of the game. Any good team building game needs good flex play (think auto battlers). IT allows you to use under utilized characters and reactions.

Dreaming_Ares2026-01-05 18:42

Yeah...to make shit teams that have bad synergy and aren't fun, just so that you can have a decent team for the late floors. Those under utilized characters just feel even worse when you have to use them on bad teams due to rng. The mode needs to be way less restrictive.

CHILLED_02026-01-05 18:52

Skill issue, you're drafting teams with bad synergy, that's on you. It's an endgame mode just reset, if you think you can just first try it, it's a bad endgame mode. What fundamental aspect is at odds with the game's mechanics?

Dreaming_Ares2026-01-05 21:13

Skill issue? Its not 2018 anymore, think of better ragebait. Which is obviously all that is since having trash rng isn't "on me".

Even when i can first try it, I rarely feel like i got what i want out of genshin's combat. I dont have a problem with hard endgame content. The game just isn't fun when you have to use clunky teams that dont make sense. Like sure id love get to use off-meta characters, but in a way that makes them shine. In reality im mostly just brute forcing with a highly invested 5-star with 3 nonsensical deadweights that dont flow together. All so that i can have a couple decent teams for the shill bosses. Im exaggerating a bit but thats what it feels like.

OrbitalSong2026-01-05 23:05

People who complain about trash RNG are generally misplaying the card portion of the game without realizing it.

Dreaming_Ares2026-01-05 23:21

"You're just doing it wrong" ok dude, great point. You're soooo good at the game. And rng definitely has zero impact on how fun teams are to play.

You enjoy IT. I don't. I do the best i can with the choices given to me. Sometimes it goes ok. Most of the time it means i have to make awkward and unfun teams.

CHILLED_02026-01-06 06:01

You're playing a gacha, artifacts, endgame with rng. IT emulates a roguelike game mode so you just don't like rng. That doesn't mean it's a fundamentallyn broken mode. I guess you want to just use the same teams over and over.

weissberv2026-01-05 17:58

Yeah, there is interesting strategy to be had at the start especially. "Am I able to buy the reaction upgrades without needing some filler characters first" and then also "Do I have a good enough carry for the boss" etc. Upgrade greed vs character requirements. Having 2 characters be given after each fight would make the whole thing way easier.

Impossible_Lock11722026-01-05 18:11

Oh yeah, that’s a good idea. Just realized what OP meant 😂

jgabrielferreira2026-01-05 19:19

No, it’s poorly designed. Isn’t as deep as other roguelike modes from other games, even HSR, and having to bring 4 characters for a fight makes it annoying af. At least let me clear easy stages with 2 or even 1 character.

Inb4 you come with skill issue bs: I cleared current one on Lunar mode, both arcanum and all 12 Stella obtained without retries.

IT is by far the worst endgame mode. The whole game meta relies on teambuilding, and IT restricts this through the element constraint and by being forced to run 4 characters.

They should at least remove the latter

Yani-Madara2026-01-05 17:38

Yeah or at least let me start a round without the 4 freaking chars.

I've had to reset runs completely because I kept getting terrible RNG

PojVicious2026-01-05 17:42

Right? Giving 1 character per round is crazy.

RubApprehensive25122026-01-05 21:13

There have been many rounds where it was just xiao and 3 random so I don't have to use the good characters to clear an act. Plus I completed it within the time frame.

MofoPro2026-01-05 17:41

No , I like to strategies the importance of a single pick to get to the next round , a second choice takes that away

PojVicious2026-01-05 17:43

Its just I try to bench my main well built dps for the last stages. I cant do that if I have no other options due to lack of characters.

MofoPro2026-01-05 17:47

Most do that that's why the single picks are important and makes you think ahead , always expand your roster early to get more choices then later mix in some buffs

Samayotte2026-01-05 17:47

IT used to be much simpler because it was filled with enemies from early versions of the game that didn't require modern, specialized conditions to beat. The current IT has become too difficult because of contemporary enemies from recent patches, they have higher base stats and additional mechanics designed specifically for modern characters, making them extremely hard to clear without meeting those specific requirements.

I also believe it's necessary to split the flowers into two types: one for purchasing characters and another for reaction buffs. Right now, you're forced to hoard all your flowers for characters until the final acts.

weeb_master692026-01-05 17:54

I just wish I didn't need an entire team just to do a level. The units I could be saving by having half filled teams would be amazing

PojVicious2026-01-05 18:02

This can be a solution as well. I'd rather have them give more characters tho. Like we built all these characters, let us use them more.

ImaginationNo80082026-01-06 07:25

Even if not more characters maybe they could increase the energy, or give a 50% chance to not use an energy or something.

La-Roca992026-01-05 21:19

So Abyss again with elemental restrictions? Removing the need to ever build anything beyond carries?

Neospartan_1172026-01-05 18:06

I agree completely, the other day I was doing IT, and I thought to myself "This teamcomp is cope, I don't have enough/the right characters" for every single fight. And I try to get as many characters as possible every single round.

I managed to get 10/12 stars, but man I was tilted since the third fight.

PaprikaCC2026-01-05 18:40

Should they give out two characters per round? If they wanted to make IT easier, but I think it undermines the whole "Lunar is high difficulty"... Instead I just think that the need to invite characters is part of the difficulty and it's an interesting obstacle to overcome (with planning).

If you're still doing hard mode, it isn't difficult to let buffs carry your weak teams to victory. I was even able to get 8 Stella this time on an AR 45 account (usually get 3-4 on it).

But if you're doing Lunar and Visionary, you really need to invest in all of your characters since you must prioritize expanding your roster before getting buffs. At the bare minimum to clear Lunar, you must invite at least 6 characters. Most of the time, I am adding 12-14 total to ensure I have workable comps with some modicum of synergy.

So in order to have consistent runs, you kinda need to be hitting 50k DPS on all of your teams before buffs. Buffs are less important than team synergy in Lunar and Visionary IMO.

Below is just ramble on my thought process this month.

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I aim for full Stella so the requirements are slightly higher, but as long as you plan two character cores for each of the bosses, its pretty smooth.

Like for example, this time I knew Mavuika was only to be used on the Lunar stages, so my third priority was to get Mavuika specific buffers or hydro application. Luckily, Iansan was provided as a starter, reducing my need to two

Second priority was picking up a carry for each of the bosses in order, but not more than 6 fights ahead of time (otherwise there is a risk I might need them twice before they are up).

First priority is picking up all of the most generically useful characters I can. Like Beidou, Xingqiu, Yelan, Fischl, Ororon.

Characters like Arlecchino, Varesa, Neuvilette, Chasca, Wanderer, Raiden (crit), are pretty high value because they are team agnostic and can absorb the useless characters in your roster without problems. I tend to use these early, to give myself time to teambuild.

And I only start picking buffs after the second boss. By this time I have an idea about how my team building is doing so the buffs can be used to patch up team weaknesses in the 3rd and 4th boss.

madnessfuel2026-01-05 19:01

Two per round would make things too easy IMO, but having a chance of that happen would be enough, or doing that every boss/Arcana node works too.

SHTPST_Tianquan2026-01-05 19:18

rather than giving two characters, reducing the absurd amount of uncertainty related to getting any, let alone specific ones, should be a priority.

At the highest difficulties, even assuming you have all your cast built/decent (like i do), you plausibly can end up not being able to choose your character of choice, which might compromise the later stages.

OR... you can end up with a skewed run right from the start simply because you could not buy characters at the start.

Another thing is that secret stash etc are a cool mechanic but way too random and unpredictable. You can have a very good run simply because of stupid luck, or a very bad one simply because of bad luck, despite your build/effort.

KojimaHayate2026-01-05 19:25

I'll be honest, it's a skill issue. They already heavily buffed the free characters who now have proper builds. I can still beat it with around 8 useless slots (no artifacts lvl70 characters just there to make the count), and I often watch a streamer called mosurameso who always clear IT with only 4 stars characters equipped with 4 stars weapons.

PojVicious2026-01-06 01:47

I beat the theatre complete stellas. My characters are built well. Just frustrated on the rng of who you get. Because not all of them mix well and you gotta reserve the mavuikas arles and neuvi for when you actually need them.

OmniOnly2026-01-05 20:03

The buffs allow many of the character to do stages effortlessly. I would rather not use multiple character. It doesn't take 4 characters to defend a spot or do most stages. you're only hope is pulling characters early and using the cache to get another character in hopes you can get fodder.

sky_0372026-01-05 20:14

i don't personally think that would be as fun and challenging. i mean the point of imaginarium theatre is to encourage you to build more characters or to keep using older (powercrept) units. if you dont have enough well built units to complete a level, consider going to the level below:)

if it can help though, here are the teams i used for the boss fights and lunar stages:

act 3: raiden yanfei mavuika candace (raiden on field)

act 6: clorinde furina beidou xingqiu

act 8: xingqiu mona ororon arle

act 10: xiangling mavuika collei neuvillette

lunar 1: furina neuvi kuki venti

lunar 2: arle durin fischl bennett

shirone02026-01-05 20:36

They definitely need to balance the last levels better, it's fine to manage your character in hard difficulty and below but in visionary mode you can get fucked by rng and have to restart, I think just having more starter characters could help (seriously it's ridiculous all difficulty get the same amount of starters) but yeah getting more characters each round would definitely be good too

Miriakus2026-01-05 20:59

I think IT could be better giving us more characters and putting more emphasis on the reactions buffs, making the game more like collect buffs to clear even with random teams rather than pull for char until you are forced to pick buffs.

Cormacolinde2026-01-05 21:53

No.

I did Act 9 in this last IT with Aino, Chevreuse, Xingqiu and Xiangling. None of them have 5* weapons. They have 3rd tier artifacts.

I keep my well-built characters for bosses and lunar mode. Sometimes I have to burn a good support early, this happened to me this time. But I still got 12/12.

Ze_AwEsOmE_Hobo2026-01-05 23:13

IMO, HP inflation isn't a problem. It's the mechanics, and the buffs. I talk about it every time Theatre comes up, but as a sort of "deckbuilding roguelike," the variety in buffs, strategies, and "builds" are basically non-existent. The most you can do is hoard your best units for brute force or hope you pull the specific ones needed before you get walled by a boss (or Arcana) floor.

If the buffs were actually tied to specific strats, stats, or anything besides three elemental reactions, HP inflation wouldn't be an issue and you might even wind up with a mode people want to play *for fun* like other randomized/roguelike games.

Sumire-Yoshizawa-2026-01-05 23:15

I been feeling like IT you spend most floors trying to get the characters you need until near the end when you can finally start getting buffs.

Full-Minimum-9262026-01-06 04:28

While playing, I take 2 looks at the bosses to keep a mental note of elements or ranged/melee checks and go on auto mode.

I thought I'd be cooked at the crab but I managed to do it with a single hydro character and 3 electro. I crippled myself with Beidou and Sara (Yelan and Fischl carried), so I'm not sure I'm seeing this HP inflation.

Duck just needs electro charge and Kenki is whatever. I think the only time I've ever saved a specific character is Furina for the bird.

PojVicious2026-01-06 08:58

Now that I think about it, I cleared it this version just fine. My IT last time I tried so hard and just got 11. I guess I was very unlucky.

Full-Minimum-9262026-01-06 09:06

It can happen, but it's hardly an issue repeating 1 or 2 times every few months.

Overall has been pretty consistent for me, I usually hover over 24-28 fully built characters (90 9/9/9). I imagine it'd be easier if you get a solid friend roster, but I usually skip it after I got some horrendous builds.

lostn2026-01-06 13:13

That's overkill.

Just use your flowers to buy one character and you get 2 per round.