Is there any way to buff physical/shatter?

So I think we can all agree that Physical based DPS has been a meme for ages now and every attempt to make a physical DPS has been a general flop. And that the one “reaction” that physical has, shatter, pretty much doesn’t exist.

Outside of just making something with a hilariously high base attack, is there really a way to make a physical attacker that could be even remotely relevant?

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StevesEvilTwin22026-01-05 18:00

The problem with physical is two-sided. Not only do we not have many methods of building for physical damage from the player side, but the devs also keep giving enemies ridiculously high base Physical RES by default.

If they would make Abysses where everything has 99% resistance to all elemental damage but weakness to Physical, then Physical characters would totally be relevant.

LibraProtocol2026-01-05 18:01

I wonder if we had a physical support that has an insane amount of Physical res shred if they could make something like Eula viable?

StevesEvilTwin22026-01-05 19:10

I think the fundamental problem is that devs don't want to design content that encourages using physical in the first place, so a even a new physical character still wouldn't be good for anything. At which point why "waste" dev resources on a character like that?

darkdill2026-01-05 19:19

The problem there is we already have a lot of sources of Physical RES shred. If you stack them too much, they run into diminishing returns.

That's why I suggested a DEF shred, which ***does not*** have diminishing returns when combined with Physical RES shreds.

SiriawlSnake2026-01-05 18:02

Yes.

darkdill2026-01-05 18:03

I've had a few ideas over the years:

1. Add in a Physical off-field sub-DPS character. No one in the roster can do significant off-field Physical damage at present, so that's a niche that could be filled. This would help since presently all Physical builds are Hypercarry builds, as Superconduct does not help off-fielders like Raiden or Shenhe.
2. Add a Chevreuse-like character who buffs Superconduct so it lowers enemy DEF. Superconduct builds already run into diminishing returns with so many RES shreds, but a DEF debuff would scale very well with them. This would need to be on a Chevreuse-like character (i.e. the effect only works if the team is only Electro and Cryo) to avoid being poached by other teams.
3. Add at least one boss that resists everything, but is weakened by Superconduct.

DI3S_IRAE2026-01-05 18:07

I think that a character that works like Chevy, superconduct only where the reaction would proc more damage based on the physical damage done.

It would bring Eula on par with new dps characters on raw damage for example, without breaking meta because superconduct is on its own a horrible reaction, but still, it would make old phys characters viable.

Maybe it could work with either superconduct and shatter, or different supports for both

darkdill2026-01-05 21:03

Do you mean "When Superconduct is triggered, targets hit also take Physical damage"? If so, that would benefit characters like Ayaka or Wriothesley more than Eula, as you'd want to trigger SC as much as possible and thus someone with constant Cryo or Electro attacks would do better there.

Or do you mean this? "When an enemy affected by Superconduct is dealt Physical damage, an additional instance of Physical damage is dealt based on X% of \[Superconduct Specialist Character\]'s ATK. This effect triggers once every Y seconds."

Personally, I'd have be it that the SC Specialist character would have a Burst similar to Yelan's or XQ's, but dealing Physical coordinated attacks instead of Hydro (and with much higher damage multipliers to compensate for the lack of reactions).

MBouh2026-01-05 18:44

Lisa already shred def if I'm not mistaken. So it would need to be more than 15%?

darkdill2026-01-05 19:18

Yes, Lisa can shred DEF, but you hardly ever see her used in Superconduct teams compared to Raiden. Raiden provides Eula with energy, consistent Electro application, and Burst damage bonuses.

That said, Raiden could also use a buff. Her Burst damage bonus via her Skill isn't good enough anymore. I have her at C2 and she just doesn't hit hard enough compared to more recent Electro characters.

ozush2026-01-05 18:03

Make a claymore cryo character that can freeze bosses with a kit that gives them stacks of whatever whenever they trigger shatter. Or, even better, take the ability to freeze bosses out of their kit and give it to another support.

ImNotTiredOfWinning2026-01-05 18:06

Imagine if Eula's hold Skill could freeze everything for the amount of time it takes for her alt to pop, that would be a needed buff for her. ATM, any boss that just teleports around just makes her useless.

perfectchaos832026-01-05 18:04

Realistically, they'd need to be part of the Elemental reaction system. The only thing that works with Physical is Super conduct and Shatter, neither of which see much use largely in part because physical is largely useless.

clfr65152026-01-05 18:25

I don't really think Mihoyo sees a reason to. All characters in the game correspond to one of the seven elements, and if you want a character who uses their normal attacks more, it's more practical to just give them an infusion of their element. There's no real compelling reason to make phys "equal" to the seven main elements.

darkdill2026-01-05 20:53

Because it's sheer badassery if a character can get over the "you need elemental" hurdle and still kick something's ass with brute force.

clfr65152026-01-05 21:03

All characters have Visions and all of them will inevitably use them for battle. There will likely never be a character who deliberately refuses to use their Vision. If you use your Cryo Vision to empower your physical strikes, you're not actually proving any sort of point. You're still using elemental power to make yourself stronger.

And you can't fight the Abyss just by punching it. Besides, if even the great Captain and Varka don't fight with pure physical might, then there probably isn't anyone in all of Teyvat who would.

elrelampago19882026-01-05 18:35

Givet the shatter reaction a huge def and elemental shred.

Gakamis2026-01-05 18:52

They need to change Freeze in some way to begin with.

Right now, you can't freeze bosses (and even many other enemies for god knows what reason), and without freezing you can't shatter. This is very dumb design for two whole reactions.

I understand why they dont want us freezing bosses, and that's ok, but surely they can add some kind of special state where an enemy is considered frozen, yet still capable of moving. They already have Catalyze/Burning designed as being special auras. This would fix freeze (instead of having to release a a specific 5\* support just to make them deal big numbers lol Escofier lol), this would make the cryo resonance, 1.2 cryo artifacts much better.

And then it would also make Shatter possible.

Ofcourse their number still suck, but that is easy to buff.

LucinaDevotee2026-01-05 19:43

Superconduct shred should simply scale off of EM, but only for Phys. And have it by default not resisted by any res increasing abilities like other elements.

Signal-Ad-66872026-01-05 22:05

Male fucking supports? mika is almost a downgrade to bennet and he is the only support phys has the electro slot is consistently a dps loss unless its ineffa but she doesn't do anyhting for phys units , and furina ain't good in thsi slot she never was we just literally don't have anything to buff phys

Oh and fuck shatter it should have nothing to do with it we have SC

Adventurous-Bear-6312026-01-11 14:03

eula is always mentioned when physical is brought up. that make me wonder if people want to buff eula or buff physical. I know eula is the current physical dps but I think the easiest way to buff physical is just introduce many physical characters that ignore eula kit. and to buff eula l, it would be easier to do the same thing with razor