why are people so quick to blame everything on the cn fandom?

Gotta blame somebody, otherwise it's all my fault. Fuck that.

people love rationalizing and people also think the CN fandom has a megaphone directly in Da Wei's ear

Cause CN fans have the most influence among all other fans. And people love to find reason for things. Anything they don't like but CN fans do they will blame the CN fans automatically.

What?

Just normal redditor ignorance.


League community did this exact same thing with the same country whenever changes they didnt like happened over there.


Granblue Fantasy community does this as well (although it is validated there as the devs have literally admitted they cater only to jp audience).


Dragalia Lost community used to do it also.


This is just the cope theory when something someone doesn't like gets added to the game. Sometimes it is right, sometimes its not.

Think it started when people wanted stuff like more variety in skin colour, better gender balance in 5 stars etc but were shut down by others who said that it would never happen because of Chinese players

Its just easier to blame it on the CN players since the western community doesn't have that much information on them, so people will believe any BS rumour regarding them. Same thing happened with the Alice relationship drama where people were so quick the make up the "CN incels" that wanted her to not be married.

People are quick to blame anyone really, it's just how modern society is

I mean, I understand it's something easy to think. I always ask myself, "Does CN love what hoyo is doing? Because it's crazy that some shit happen". For example, the teapot and miliastra, so many problems and hoyo continuously keep ignoring it like CN have no problem with it.

I'd rather see Hoyo cater to the East Asian audience than the Western one. Their games would die really fast if they had to listen to the western players, especially those you can see on Reddit or X

Because CN represent 50% of the Playerbase (the largest fraction of any one country by far) and people love blaming "others", because it's much easier than the alternatives.

It's worth noting that CN players also tend to think any decision Hoyo takes that they don't like is because of the Western Audience.

The reality is most likely something we could never determine ourselves; metric-driven decisions to which we lack any access or valid estimate of the data, internal conflicts, key artists quitting, artists demanding increases in salary, etc.

Not a CN player per se but rather an Asia server player with CN blood. I think it goes without saying that the CN (and arguably JP) side of the community tend to have a disproportionate say in gacha games. Partly because these areas tend to be targeted as the domestic home market, and because the raw numbers show that here is where both whales and casual spenders are significantly more common. It is also widely known that although the games are basically the same it is HoyoVerse (Cognosphere) based in Singapore that services distribution overseas than MiHoYo directly.

There is much to be said about the insularity of the CN gaming market and the independent gaming culture they have developed. It is perhaps easy to say that Chinese companies develop Chinese games for Chinese consumers that same way that it might be the case for Americans, but the difference is that the culture surrounding the monetization of games like Genshin means that it could have only emerged through a long-term low spend consumer base that has a reliable population of high spenders. Im not going to go much further on my economics paper because that requires some really boring numbers to crack, but it is an easily observable metric that the share of the CN market weighs heavier than global that it is much more cost effective to keep catering to them

But I'm not certain if that fully explains what you're citing, if only because I highly doubt people are thinking solely about cashflows. Rather, I feel as though people in here, Reddit specifically, have psychologically attached "CN Reaction" as the biblical truth for how Hoyo operates. Yes, the numbers might lend credence to that but I feel like we here in Reddit have also developed our own insular culture that feels the need to justify its views through the actions or lack thereof from what we perceive to be the most vocal group.

The Neuvillette example is a good one, as while now there are many people saying that Hoyo pulled the showcase video off the net is because of CN backlash to the burst animation. Whereas the day before, there were comments trying to argue that the skin was popular in CN and is widely praised there so there's no use in voicing criticism for it. While both can be true if one looks at the comments and discussions for it in weibo or bilibili it's really difficult to make a definitive case for what is or what isn't without comprehending the totality of it all. I would say they same for much of the things that this community on reddit has gone through.

Whether it be for example in the character designs in Natlan and Sumeru, or the implications and coding present in certain characters. People would like to say for example that "CN beauty standard does not favor X skin tone" to justify their thoughts on the matter while another would say "But if you look at CN reception on character with X skin it's not the case.". Or "There are legal restrictions that prevent Y from being shown in CN so they couldnt do that." and you'd have "But showing Z on made CN make an attempt on the CEO so they wouldn't do that either." to make a counterargument.

I think it's just easier for people on reddit to attribute their sentiments to the CN community because it makes it feel more definitive. Regardless of stance, truthfulness, or extent of that truthfulness it may just be more assuring to people on Reddit to find some dozen or so comments in a nation of billions to back their words than stand by it on their own. I know I'm certainly guilty of it sometimes.

TLDR: Reddit is Reddit, everyone is somewhat aware of that, so we pretend we're not the ones making the call.

because cn playerbase is primary cash cows + they can get violent toward cats and hoyo hq irl if things dont go their way

Nobody is saying that everything Mihoyo does is tied to China. A lot of decisions are tied to China though, maybe the majority, but I think this is kinda a chronically online perspective that "everyone" blames China (haven't seen any posts about this even lol)

I think its just good old ignorance at best, sinophobia at worst. Reddit itself is awash in anti-chinese propaganda and it creates this cognitive dissonance when the Chinese product is enjoyed. Failings of the product is turned into a character mark against the culture that created it, compounded by the fact that this may be the only chinese media that is experienced.

Could you imagine if this type of thinking was applied to other games? Silksong was delayed because of the unique laid-back, anti deadline work culture of Australians. Overwatch had little staying power outside of porn because the American audience values sex appeal above all else. It sounds kind of insane to attribute to the entire culture the decisions of one company or one demographic right? But this happens to Chinese games constantly.

The Western and CN communities don’t have much contact with each other, except for people in each community who purposely make posts summarizing events or trends from the other community (having browsed CN communities, I can say that they re-share posts from Hoyo subreddits too). People also like to reach back to extremely egregious examples mostly from HI3 and the early Genshin days (in either case, 4 or more years ago) to monolithize the whole CN community (think of how many times the HI3 bunny girl incident is mentioned). It’s true that the CN player base holds a lot of sway because of how large they are and the amount of Hoyo-related events and promotions that are CN specific, but I also agree that it’s unfair to pin every controversy as being the fault of CN players or laws.

misinformation, and the fact that people see CN as hoyos target audience (obviously)so they believe hoyo is more likely to cater to them.People are too gullible these days that they believe anyone on tiktok says is correct. Your example about the chibi art, it came from some rando on tiktok and now apparently half the fanbase believes it now when it’s completely wrong-CN side didnt even have chibi art for birthdays in the first place and were equally disappointed when there were no animations for the art either. Though it’s true that hoyo mostly caters to the CN fanbase since it’s the biggest, i believe that most of the time hoyo just do their own thing.🤷‍♀️

Because that's what Americans do. And yes, these are mostly Americans and people who are corrupted by American fever dream. Americans are the whiniest country in the world. Always blaming everything but themselves. School shooting? No, it's not because guns are legal. When I first started to use Reddit, I was scared of all the toxicity. And finally understood some behaviors beyond Reddit, which comes from Reddit exactly, where Americans reign. The whole culture of trying to catch someone at doing something "stupid". Someone just mind their own business, woooosh, r/kidsarefuckingstupid or anything else like that. And that comes directly from America. I assure you, actual Genshin players, who are not chronically online on Reddit are not like that. I met a lot of them. But it always comes from that American complaining about everything. Always everyone is is bad, but they are "great (again)".

I myself is Chinese. And I'd blame the Chinese community for absolutely everything. I know, I am being very toxic but I cant help with it.

Because The CN community has been used as a cudgel to justify any decision that Hoyo makes that might be unpopular or controversial. Stuff like darker skin tones, MW's pricing, and gender imbalances which I always thought is fucked up considering the CN community is massive with hundreds if not thousands of different opinions.

Now that's not to say cursing them out every time something happens to the game that you don't like ia justified.

because China is the primary market that comes first

Also they are unhinged and will fly off the handle if they feel slighted or neglected

It's because when we riot, usually nothing happens, but when they riot, they get results, so it's just assumed that if Hoyo do something, it's because the CN playerbase explicitly or implicitly wanted it.

CN players have the most say about the game purely on the basis of being in the same country as Hoyo. If they’re not happy about something, they can do stuff that affects Hoyo directly (Zhongli drama and HI3 bunny girl incident)

I mean... CN fandom **is** their major target audience.

Of course that doesn't make it okay to blame the CN fans for things that are wrong with the game. We should blame HYV for how they operate instead of shifting the blame on others.

However, since HYV mostly makes their decisions based on the CN fans responses, it's just... the default fandom to blame? Surely this is not your first time encountering generalisation of a community by their haters.

"Lefties want to kill babies!"
"Furries are zoophiles!"
"Right wingers are pedophiles!"
"Christians are stupid!"
"Atheists are all just in denial!"

All of this stuff is something you can encounter daily, en masse. This is simply how "hate" works.

"CN is to blame for this change!" is the exact same mechanism - a bit of truth that transformed into an ugly stereotype

They don't have mirrors down in the basement

"Blame" is the wrong word, since that implies the CN playerbase forces Hoyo to do what they do. It's really just Hoyo making decisions that most reliably bring in the most profit, and since the CN playerbase is more than every other country combined, that's gonna be a huge factor.

sinophobia which is very widespread here

>i'm even now seeing people say that chibi birthday arts were discontinued because the cn players didn't like them.

who said that? i saw nobody say that lol

Because Hoyo only listens to the Chinese fanbase.

Pretending that Chinese gachas don't give a % of priority to the Chinese audience and blaming only the usual "stupid westerners" is dumb .

When we riot, we obtain nothing; when CN does it, not always, but they got what they want. Most of the highest toxicity peak had been reached by their community.
But some controversial choices are justified by ppl/whiteknights because "is CN beauty standard", or "they wants only waifu", "they absolutely hate see their waifu in love with other playable characters ", so MHY have to do it.

Im not blaming CN, but "western west haters" that act like CN' garden is always greener while Westers are just stupid, who brings the unfun (while some talks about MW West vs MW Asia, the second one is funnier, but they don't waste the opportunity to blame the west saying "instead of playing they complain " while maybe is just western players are more attracted by the main game).

A lot of people in the world find it easier to group people of the same ethnicity and culture into one singular monolith so that their assumptions and ideologies can be placed onto the entire group as truth. To be conpletely honest, it's a way of being racist without openly stating it, but every aspect of that action is essentially racism, and I'm not understating it at all.

Mostly because it IS usually CN's fault.  Maybe not always, but people do have basic pattern recognition.

because it's true

Because they are!

It has the plurality of the fanbase, if not the majority, and nobody actually *knows* why Hoyo does what they do other than an ambiguous "it makes them money."

Westerners are entitled and sinophobic (more like anti asian) in general. They like asian media cause asians make anime and video games about how cool they are and their culture, but hate the people that making entertainment for them.

Have you ever heard of what HI3 had to go through? The Chinese player base is the core audience and largest slice of the pie.

> powercreep? chinese players!!!

Nah, power creep is because Genshin is a gacha game.

You can't even blame gacha on the Chinese, that blame goes to the Koreans or Japanese.

Projecting

So here is a little lesson for those that haven't worked with large companies in a artistic manner.

Often work like the making the happy birthday pictures is done by new staff as a type of training exercise if the picture is 3D it's because they are training 3D artists and animators.

If it's 2D they are training their various 2D artists.

basically smaller tasks like these reflect a developers current training and hiring needs and trends.

It amazes me every day how subtly sinophobic people playing a Chinese game can be

Simple, because I have seen countless examples of Hoyo bending over for CN (the Zhongli buffs, the lack of substantial dark skin tones despite characters like Yoruichi and Scar being prominent badass anime characters, the shunning of men in general outside of HSR) and have similarly countless examples of Hoyo spitting in the face of its western audience (the disrespect shown to innocent non union VAs, the lack of credits/announcements, the lobotomy of characters when they change VAs because no one cares about voice work, the story beats like the porcelumex plot that very blatantly mocks protests against Hoyo).

Someone else said it best: When CN sneezes, Hoyo brings tissues; when global sneezes, Hoyo buys earplugs.

Cuz they are deflective babies

Everyone knows that CN hates global and vice versa

Because I have been here since the beginning, in other games, and in real life when they are international students. At the start of the game, they basically rioted Hoyo for even considering western holidays being celebrated so they opted to just avoid real life holidays altogether.

In older MMOs and other games, server locations often would lead to rare monsters spawning earlier for East Asian players and in Chinese versions of their games, they often had higher rates. They are also not opposed to utilizing $$$ for power which is normal in Gacha but shouldn’t be in online multiplayer games.

In all of these scenarios, they cheered when it was advantageous to them because culturally they have a superiority complex like they are trying to compensate for something. This is in conjunction with a very pro gambling addiction.

Also, honor cultures like East Asia love dick measuring their family names so they like to advertise their notoriety, family lines, and parentage through displays of wealth. That’s why you see Asians in crazy cars and whatnot in American colleges because they want to advertise and compare with other Asian families in a sort of “my family is richer and more prominent than your family” battle.

All the while bickering and complaining when they are not the primary consideration. It’s kind of pathetic most of the time.

I’d also argue that online, the LGBTQ only makes up around 13%-20% of gamers but they make up the vocal majority. So they often influence the twink, waifu, androgynous, etc nature of most characters. Like I can never even view the Varka subreddit without it being full of comments, memes, and art of sexualized gay fantasy Varka.

western fanbase is honestly full of loud femcels who take over discussions despite being a minority so it balances out

I mean to be frank, the CN fanbase has done a lot of crazy things, lets not pretend they didn't. Murking cats over Scaramouche and trying to report Hoyo to the CCP over his existence is insane. Not everything is their fault but by default as a CN based company Hoyo does have to be careful too, since stuff like the Zhongli incident highlights that they do pay attention to the CN fandom a fair amount.

1) CN is the first line of feedback.

2) Hoyo is making games primarily for them.

3) They are the target audience

4) we just get the scraps