Genshin players never beating the "Can't read" allegations.
jonnevituwu2026-01-06 01:18
No no, they are right, she is a 5 star just like Bennett is a 6 star lol
nolxve_exe2026-01-06 01:30
Fischl is a five star what are you talking about
-Illuzio-2026-01-06 01:55
Exactly im sorry but she literally eats yae in every situation. Not to mention the buffs she got
nolxve_exe2026-01-06 01:59
Exactly. My favorite 5 star character🗣️
oof-eef-thats-beef2026-01-06 02:24
She’s a 6* how dare you
nolxve_exe2026-01-06 02:29
I didn’t mean to disgrace the Prinzessin der Verurteilung😞 forgive me
nolxve_exe2026-01-06 02:10
Damn I really wish people could take jokes nowadays
getratioed_2026-01-06 01:11
Neuvillette
BoysenberryFew87022026-01-06 01:11
Hu tao been good for a long time (from 1.3 till like 4.5 or sum) kazuha too till xilonen released and dedicated supports, I think mavuika and citlali will be viable for quite some time
TrialByFyah2026-01-06 01:12
Yelan has been pretty meta since she released in 2022. She may not always be the best option or have the most meta team but she's still super reliable and usable in a large number of teams.
Negative-Slip52162026-01-06 06:58
I agree I would have said the same but there is Xinqiu... Who can replace her without that much problem.
I think Mona is great currently but she wasn't much meta.
Bierzgal2026-01-06 01:14
How long are we talking about? Kazuha is still very good despite being from 1.6. Yelan is still amazing, 2.7. Ayaka still decent if you have Escoffier, 2.0. And while she's on her last breath, you can still work with Raiden, 2.1.
But if I have to pick one, my pick goes to Yelan.
spiraskia2026-01-06 01:38
em raiden for hyperbloom is very nice i must say
Bierzgal2026-01-06 02:17
True, though the team has no healing unless Lauma is C1. However, Raiden might get some spotlight with Columbina and Ineffa in 6.3. Fingers crossed.
Unusual-Indication482026-01-06 04:50
Is Baizhu not part of the team?
Bierzgal2026-01-06 10:35
The team is Lauma / Yelan / Xingqiu / Raiden. You can use Baizhu ofc but then the team won't be better than the version with Kuki.
Right-Silver73542026-01-06 01:16
Kazuha from 1.6 to 5.8
Normal_Air_77312026-01-06 01:38
Close, xilonen in 5.1, adding those heals for furina was the last nail in the coffin
RubApprehensive25122026-01-06 04:02
Unfortunately, xilo compaired to the other universal supports does the least of them all.
Kaz: has amazing grouping, res shred, damage bonus, and elemental reapplication. He can also provide extra team energy using xiphos and a lot of personal damage through swirling and element.
Durin: provides good res shred, great elemental application, has hex, and does great off feild damage plus can be an attack buffer using noblesse.
Zhongli: has the strongest no cope involved whatsoever sheild. Good res shred. Has a pillar to cheese endgame content. He is a sheild destroyer against enemies. And provides petrify for annoying enemies. He can either be an attack buffer or an elemental damage % buffer based off of the artifacts sets he uses.
Xilonen: has great single target healing (still not enough for furina though), great res shred, and great damage bonus. But, that is it.
Xilonen was amazing, but still lacks against the other 3 for versatility.
Alternative-Eye84032026-01-06 14:04
You're neglecting that the degree of buffing slightly edges out against Kazuha, how the uptime is much better, while also overlooking how her sustain makes her much more comfortable to play. It's not the fastest Furina fanfare generator, but 9k+ healing per tick is enough to eventually max the buff out. Neuvillette C1 is often played without sustain, who is considered enough HP change for Furina despite altering his HP at a slower rate than Xilonen.
There's a reason why she is considered better, and also has BiS teams whereas Kazuha does not anymore in 2025-2026. Her having synergy with Furina and Natlan units to begin with already makes her a preferable pick over Kazuha. You severely underplayed the aspects of her supportive qualities that make Xilonen better overall, which is a misrepresentation of her power level when there's simply no argument about what the consensus is.
Durin's recent addition to the game made her less valuable, but he still fills entirely different niches compared to her. Zhongli is simply outclassed in every regard besides having interruption resistance, and Kazuha's higher personal damage and grouping is not enough to outright beat Xilonen when she was intended as an upgrade to him.
RubApprehensive25122026-01-07 06:01
There are a few things you overshadowed.
1. No. Xilonen only has 1 bis team and that is with a c1+ neuvilette in hypercarry.
2. Even in that team, she is still considered a luxury pick.
3. Furina fanfare is based on how many times hp is increased or decreased. Not the number of hp healed or decreased.
4. You forgot all other points I mentioned. On how the other 3 do much more than xilonen and will be doing better than her overall. (Check the current abyss).
5. Xilonen Buffs are only on average 2-8% better than zhongli in the teams they can be both played in. Its not worth considering a 5* just for that.
6. Her usage rate has gone downhill especially at c0. The only why you see good usage rate is because 70% of the people who submit have her at c2.
7. Yes, she may have longer buff uptimes, but in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter when 80% of all characters now want to be in their dedicated teams which makes no use of xilonen whatsoever.
Alternative-Eye84032026-01-07 07:03
1. Mavuika Melt and Mualani Vape are two teams stronger than Neuvillette that utilize Xilonen as a BiS option. Mualani has a recent and competitive Durin option now, but I'm not discussing him. Also, Xilonen being a Natlan unit means proccing Nightsoul Burst more often for Natlan teams + instantly generating Mavuika's Fighting Spirit. There may be edge cases like the new Durin/Mualani or using Escoffier/Mavuika for more consistent Cryo app for instance, but Xilonen is generally good in these meta teams and most people's logical go-to
2. All of these units are luxury picks; the meta has shifted towards niche archetypes. Xilonen is losing value as a result of that, but Zhongli and Kazuha lost their value long ago
3. Furina Fanfare is based on the total percentage of HP change. Using Furina skill beforehand into huge ticks of healing frontloads the Fanfare generation. It's true that Xilonen being a single-target healer can sometimes not max out the Fanfare at C0, but this is still very synergistic. It's around the same speed of Neuvillette's HP fluctuations with no other healer. And like I said, the fact that Xilonen can partially synergize with Furina is already significantly better than Kazuha and Zhongli. With those two, you'd have to slot in another healer option if you run them with Furina, and that's already not BiS to put 2 generalist supports + a generalist healer when the current meta teams are about niches
4. I literally pointed out how Kazuha's higher personal DPS and grouping is generally not better than Xilonen's consistent uptime and sustain. He is good RIGHT NOW due to Venti shill, but it's already been established that CC is losing relevance, and it's now a long-standing tradition to funnel more buffs to the carry. Zhongli is worse in every regard unless you care about IR, and people who care about meta relevance can opt to dodge, which foregoes the need for his shield. He also has a reasonably cheaper alternative in Lan Yan with TToDS and a situationally stronger shield at C2. She's not as universal, but more accessible and sometimes even better
5. Xilonen has more meta relevant teams, and I assume you are talking about a team DPS increase. Xilonen has 36% RES Shred + 40%/35% elemental DMG% increase. She can more reliably use Archaic Petra due to her skates. Meanwhile, it's natural to assume that Zhongli's Tenacity or Petra uptime will be really poor, which can be proved by just playing him. This leaves him with only 20% RES Shred. So the actual damage gap is bigger in practice. Also, generalist supports don't usually reach the upper limits of 20% team DPS increase to begin with, because they're not niche supports
6. Everyone's usage rate has dipped besides Durin. They're all victims of generalist units losing value. I understand it's not fair to compare a C2 character vs. C0s, but the fact that she has a good early constellation makes it another pathway for higher investment. Zhongli has no way to improve his value, including missing a signature weapon. Kazuha's C2 being imitable by Sucrose and being a saturated stat makes him worse if we compare their constellations. I think Xilonen's C2 is overrated for vertical investment, but it exists as a way to raise her ceiling that people *did* pull for, so I wouldn't even deem people having it as a negative
7. Like I said, her higher consistency does matter in practice. You're entitled to think otherwise. But disregarding this significant aspect of her makes no sense when we've both established that the meta now revolves around niche teams, to which Kazuha and Zhongli aren't doing anything better either. They're ALL being benched
If your argument was to say skip Xilonen if you already have Kazuha or Zhongli, I actually agree with that. The problem is that you're saying she's outright outclassed compared to all of them, which is simply disingenuous and untrue.
There's a reason why lots of people jumped ship and started lashings against those two men, and it's because her consistency, versatility, and higher presence as a BiS slot for meta teams matter to people. There's a reason why nobody has seriously considered Zhongli in years, and why Kazuha has been disregarded once Neuvillette gained more teams and stopped being the pinnacle of the meta. Ask anyone, TCer or regular player, and they might have varying answers in how much of an upgrade Xilonen is; even then, it's been clear for a year now that the consensus is that she's better than those two, regardless of the degrees in metrics.
All of this is just history revisionism off of your personal preferences. You can stick with Kazuha and Zhongli if they serve your purposes, and no one is stopping you, but your biases don't change what actually happens when you have these characters and can compare their value. Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect that this is coming from a place of trying to validate you skipping her in favor of using the other characters. That's not a bad decision, but elevating it and saying she's worse as confirmation bias is going too far.
I've also reached the point where I own all of them, and have cleared every current iteration of Stygian Onslaught Dire so far. Xilonen was used for all 5 of them. Kazuha was helpful, but I only used him once as an imitation of Xilonen for another team (the Neuvillette one during 5.8 Cactus IIRC). I do not count Zhongli's usage against the Iktomisaur, because he's used for cheesing purposes.
I haven't needed to use Durin yet, though that doesn't matter when I'm not arguing that Xilonen is better than him. Durin would push every other unit down regardless, and Kazuha suffers more due to Durin having Sucrose as a Hexerei partner. When generalist supports become even more satured, you'd naturally start picking amongst the stronger half too, because the game starts becoming more balanced around the powercreep. The elevated damage floor means the optimal play is to use none of these units, so if you must gravitate towards one and can freely pick among all of them, it's not going to be Kazuha or Zhongli
RubApprehensive25122026-01-07 08:01
First of all, I never said she was outclassed by them. Don't make shit up.
Second, Mavuika doesn't use Xilonen as her BIS teammate. Mavuika mains also agrees, and they did the math for it.
For your fourth point, grouping is heavily needed in IT which comes up every single time anemo is in play. Which is literally every other 2 months. Plus, grouping was very good the past 3 abysses as well, not just the current one. and for the point of lanyan: NO. her shield is outright worse than Zhongli's in all regards. The situations where it could work is very niche plus lots of opponents use physical damage, which only Zhongli and noelle have Shield strength for as well as having dendro, anemo, and geo.
I do agree with your 6th point. But I would say it is not worth comparing cons since most players in general won't bother pulling for it outside dedicated supports/dps'.
for your last point. "In practice" means many things. If you need more damage, durin is the better call. If you need more grouping, Kaz is the better call. If you keep dying, Zhongli is the better choice. Xilonen is the same but with healing.
Also, everything I said wasn't bias. If you read it carefully, I only stated facts which are true in game. When looked at an objective opposition, you would also understand where I am coming from.
Alternative-Eye84032026-01-07 09:21
>Unfortunately, xilo compaired to the other universal supports does the least of them all.
>Xilonen was amazing, but still lacks against the other 3 for versatility.
>On how the other 3 do much more than xilonen and will be doing better than her overall.
>First of all, I never said she was outclassed by them. Don't make shit up.
Your entire first reply hinged on you explaining how she's lacking in versatility compared to the rest of the units in question. It also listed out each of the supports' qualities while diminishing Xilonen's in specific when those qualities are what makes her considered so universally strong. Her doing one or two less things when her consistency and Furina enabling in itself are very valuable was what I initially pointed out, and I don't think it's a stretch for me to have interpreted that the way in which you presented it had the intention to express that she was outclassed.
I did not "make shit up" when you deliberately put forth the narrative and only commented that in the first place to devalue her. I sought to clarify that any reasonable person would not reach the conclusion that Xilonen "did less" or "lacks versatility" compared to all of them when she's had a stronger meta presence in her heydays and even now. You did indeed bring up objective aspects of each character, but Xilonen's highlights were conveniently downplayed to reach the conclusion that she does less and lacks versatility, when her consistent uptime, higher ceiling of buffing, and healing is precisely why she was valued higher for so long.
It also left out her Natlan mechanics, and although she's not necessarily the best at that, that's something she does that the others do not. And because Zhongli is mostly in discussion for QoL purposes, Xilonen having skates made her pull versatility higher as well, though that understandably doesn't count for meta. But if the overall intention of your first comment was to illustrate how Xilonen is technically doing less on a quantitive number of tasks, that's also a point that deliberately has to skew values. It does it in a way that is not realistically applicable to the game, or helpful to understanding each unit's history and overall capabilities/pull value. She may cover less responsibilities as a whole, but what she does do still universally applies at a considerable gap above Kazuha and Zhongli, which matters in the context of versatility.
I agree with a lot of the stuff you brought up, but that wasn't elaborated upon in your initial comment. Also, Lan Yan's shield is still usually worse than Zhongli's. It's just that *situationally* it can be equivalent or better at C2, though it lacks uptime. Zhongli still wins in having his shield versatility, but that's diminishing in value when it's becoming increasingly less of a necessity. And the point of bringing her up was to mention how she isn't a premium cost who can achieve nearly the same utility while potentially buffing more. She's not more universal, just cheaper.
I also do want to correct the number of Xilonen's current BiS teams when C6 Iansan did much in kicking her out of those spots. However, she is still the closest second option for those aforementioned meta carries, including Varesa. C6 Iansan is also a newer unit that may cost a similar pull investment due to the wish system. Varesa and Mavuika would have overlap in wanting C6 Iansan, while Varesa and Mualani would have overlap in wanting Durin as well. Xilonen still retains some of her universal value by freeing up these teams while not being far behind. I re-emphasize the importance of the Furina core elevating older DPS characters to much greater heights as well, though this duo isn't BiS outside of Navia. (Doesn't matter right now, but Xilonen also buffs Geo itself, while Kazuha does not do the same towards Anemo)
It is realistic to assume that the multiple chamber nature of IT and SO means not always being able to use the BiS team when some of it won't be available. Kazuha would be slightly weaker or equal in those situations, depending on if you preferred healing or CC. Meanwhile, Zhongli provides little outside of comfort as a flex slot that can reasonably be replaced by lots of characters. They're all collective victims of newer characters being at a higher power level and preferable in their niches. I reiterate that the lower end of these versatile supports lose more value in the sense that they get pushed down further the more options exist, as Xilonen being 2nd best matters over the descension of the other two. They lose some instrinsic versatility when they're not as valuable contenders in freeing up team slots.
Irrelevant addendums, but Kazuha being able to hold Xiphos doesn't inherently make him more valuable, since Xilonen can also forego using her signature in favor of Favonius Sword. She already doesn't need to build any stats due to her buffing potential not being contingent on having stats, as it only affects her ability to heal. The same is somewhat applicable to Zhongli being able to hold Favonius Lance while not sacrificing anything in the context of buffs. Xiphos is a limited banner gacha weapon that is a flexible "in-between" due to Kazuha needing EM. Holding Favonius Sword may sometimes provide more team-wide energy as well, so this is a consequence of his buffing being reliant on properly building him.
And I also do think the Zhongli cheese can potentially matter in ongoing Stygian Onslaughts, since there's a precedent for that now. I wouldn't claim that to be strong enough to rope back Zhongli into the equation when he's honestly the weakest of this quartet, but I'm not gonna dismiss the potential.
Normal_Air_77312026-01-06 20:01
I was comparing xilonen to kazuha, not to the others 2 characters. Oh and zhongli sucks ass, he only works to destroy geo shields.
DungeonEnvy2026-01-06 01:25
Furina/Neuvillette have been good for a couple of years. Nahida is a mainstay in every dendro comp.
Kazuha hasn't been bad since he came out, although he's a little less applicable to modern teams than he used to be, he's still reliable.
Yelan is falling off now. Less normal attack based characters, and more off field hydro options. Still a strong character who's been around for years.
Income_Correct2026-01-06 14:22
i dont want to disagree, but we will get zibai next patch
Seraph1992026-01-10 20:41
And Columbina at the same time...
fubukishirou072026-01-06 01:28
Dps: definitely neuvillette
Support: kazuha since he's a versatile support
-Illuzio-2026-01-06 01:57
Yeah but for some reason ever since lunar stuff came out people are just shitting on him. Its not hsi fault they made damage bonus not work on lunar reactions. They at like hes useless when older characters can use him
oof-eef-thats-beef2026-01-06 02:27
The 200EM is really good for lunar stuff though. So, I still dont grt why hes being shit on. Yeah sucrose > kazuha. But he still has a good place in lunar teams imo
-Illuzio-2026-01-06 02:30
Yeah only if you have his c2. But he'd get way more value outside lunar teams.
lnfine2026-01-06 07:24
That 200 em is actually not that great for lunar teams. Because it only applies to onfield characters.
And lunar teams really Really REALLY want that EM on their offielders.
Income_Correct2026-01-06 14:25
kazuha fell of with the introduction of characters wich can res shred without looking at res shred uptime or rotations to shred the right element. characters like citlali, xilonen, durin, lauma, chevreuse and esscofier have 100% on the res shred
WhooooCares2026-01-06 01:32
C0 Characters have a 2-year shelf-life max at being "meta", so none without vertical investment. This is a gacha game.
The actual meta of playing who like and vertically investing them and/or their supports keeps any character relevant. I clear Dire SO with Yoimiya. I prefer playing characters I like instead of chasing shiny new toys.
Chaos_Theory_mk12026-01-06 01:33
Currently it’s Kazuha
But, if I had to predict a character that will stay high in the meta for the longest time. Furina is the answer.
yuzuzuu2026-01-06 04:22
For overworld mat farming....on mobile especially, Kazuha #1!
Normal_Air_77312026-01-06 01:37
The longest any characters has been really good is kazuha, from 1.6 to 5.1 (xilonen release benched him).
Any other charactes is not old enough or droped from (real) meta long ago.
Bierzgal2026-01-06 02:11
Xilonen benched nobody. They were both used with Neuvillette in his hypercarry team. Up untill Mavuika got releasesd in 5.3 it was the strongest team in the whole game. And he was still holding well untill Varesa and then later Skirk came.
And Kazuha is used even now together with Ineffa with him. The version with Lauma is stronger but it's still a good option if someone wants her somewhere else. It's a 107k DPS team.
gummiguel2026-01-06 01:47
the pyro archon, bennett
Thin_Total52432026-01-06 01:48
Yelan and Kokomi to a lesser degree have been pretty good 5*s options since release, sure they're not as meta relevant as they were in 3.x when Dendro came out, but they’re still definitely both useable in endgame content.
2000shadow20002026-01-06 01:49
Hu Tao
Yelan
Zhongli
Kazuha
Childe
Mostly these 5. They are all varying degree of decent and no longer top dogs despite still being able to clear Abyss fine. Theres other characters as well but these are the ones furthest back that have been like this
SecyaDenali2026-01-06 02:51
Sorry but Nahida, Nilou, Kokomi over Childe
Nilou obviously got Lauma but even before that bloom in AOE gets like an extra 20k DPS.
2000shadow20002026-01-06 02:54
Bloom was literally dead for the longest time. It's only just come back now really.
Nilou basically was unused for 1.5-2 out of 3 years of her release. I was talking chars that had seen good use in abyss for the longest amount of time and the ones I have listed above are all higher than Nilou even if she is performing very well now.
Nahida/Kokomi should be added to the list too
SecyaDenali2026-01-06 02:59
.... Childe really? Like cmon my guy
Abyss usage is the dumbest way to gauge this.
Nilou bloom is digusting in AOE even old bloom clears triple kenki in less than a minute
Nilou wasnt unused for 2 years? like wtf ru talking about.
Childe National aint doing that to any floor nowadays.
And right now it isnt even close
2000shadow20002026-01-06 03:09
End games modes are the best way to base this lol. Bloom was completely dead in end game modes for a very long time. I'm sorry if you don't know this but Nilous usage rate was simillar to Cyno for 2 years due to how badly bloom was performing. Cyno is actively regarded as one of the worst 5\* in the game.
Childe has had decently consistent results as a mid tier character for years despite being from patch 1.1. I'm not saying hes some S tier meta character but hes put up consistency despite being a 5 year old unit.
Haha I typed the message then added a fifth character to it. Nice catch let me fix
mangoawaynow2026-01-06 02:31
nahida
blizg2026-01-06 02:32
Zhongli isn’t top meta, but he’s been good for anyone with skill issue
PracticingMaggotry2026-01-06 12:48
Grandpa made my dodging-skills non-existent. Playing him for three years got me like 🩼
frostN0VA2026-01-06 02:35
Furina never left my party since the release.
Ghurty12026-01-06 02:45
i remember i pulled on the yelan hu tao weapon banner years ago and said id just pull whichever 5* i got the weapon for. Glad it was yelan. Still cracked.
Also unironically i think jean is amazing and i got her 1.0. Not op by any means minus the recent exploit you could do with her but shes extremely tanky and self sufficient, especially now that after 5 years i have her c6
piichan142026-01-08 13:34
Even if Jean isn't meta, she gets a lot of niche uses since she's still the best at doing fall damage if you can pull it off.
SecyaDenali2026-01-06 02:46
Hutao, Nahida, Nilou, Kokomi, Yelan either of the 5.
All have consistently been really good for the entire duration. Not necessarily groundbreaking or anything like that as of recent years obviosuly but clearing endgame content, even Stygian where all can have particuarly great matchups considering how old they are.
CN side has always rated Hu Tao btw and shes getting a boost next patch.
Petraam2026-01-06 02:47
Be careful here because you are getting a lot of people telling you who has been meta for the longest time and that is different from who has been meta for the longest time and is still meta.
We’ve had a lot of power creep and there are some characters here I wouldn’t recommend getting anymore.
magnidwarf19002026-01-06 02:58
Yelan
Least-Expression21502026-01-06 03:33
Just wanna add, since I haven't seen anyone mention her, but Mona is still a solid unit despite being released on the standard banner.
VaultOfTheSix2026-01-06 03:54
N00bvillette
Silent-Mess-66152026-01-06 03:58
Depends on how we’re defining “good”, I suppose. Hu Tao was one of the first major meta DPSs way back in 1.3 and she can still easily clear a lot of endgame content if you’re not too skill issue… but she’s definitely not still “meta”.
Financial-Drink57812026-01-06 03:58
I would say Kazuha. He has been good support since release and i still use him.
Furina will probably overtake him someday
Monochromatic_Sun2026-01-06 05:45
Kazuha has been and still is extremely relevant even when looking at the highest dps teams. If buffs count I’d say venti and Mona stonks just went up. Supports seem to live longer than caries which are kinda designed to be out done every few years bc gatcha power creep
Negative-Slip52162026-01-06 07:00
My Pick is EM raiden for Hyperbloom
With Lauma you can clear any dendro check.
Lauma (EM) Raiden Xinqiu and Yelan - clears any current dendro checks.
Nahida was past in this team.
Columbina is the future of this team.
Income_Correct2026-01-06 14:18
depends on how you define long
but i would say yelan, furina, nahida, kazuha and zhongli. and yes, kazuha, nahida and zhongli fell off, but nahida is still bis for nefer, zhongli could be in a top tier with zibai and kazuha is not the best support, but still good.
Notkiller2026-01-06 18:47
FurryNya
Tripdrakony2026-01-07 21:13
Kazuha is the oldest "good" character. He's always my go-to option for extra shred.
Furina is the future "good" character that will be in meta for ages. Neuvi, as a dps, is still doing strong despite all the new releases because his playstyle is so simple.
BackgroundRadish92742026-01-08 10:51
Venti has been good since launch.
Exploring, Half the interactive hoyolab map occuli annotations pre natlan were a picture of venti using his skill.
Combat, he wasn't powerful but there will always be a horde fight. Everyone concentrates on doing a buttload to single target, but no one handles chaff like venti does. wether it's spiral abyss occasionally having bum rush floors or the patch that gets that combat event where they throw loads of hillichurls / hoarders at you, Ventis Burst is the nicest way to deal with them.
piichan142026-01-08 13:38
I love Venti but Kazuha became the better VV shredder, heavy enemies vaccum, and in a way, flying explorer too as you can refresh Kazuha's skill even mid flight.
BackgroundRadish92742026-01-08 13:49
Kazuha is good at vacuuming but Vs venti, venti can just suck more guys at once , and it stays so if more turn up he can suck them without you having to do anything.
Kazuhas flying is very useful though especially with albedo/zhongli
Koekelbag2026-01-08 15:59
Kokomi would be my pick, extremely comfortable healer between skill _and_ burst that can also act as the hydro component for multiple reactions with how off-field she is outside of burst.
Even with today's roster, I'm struggling to think of any one character that is as good a healer as Kokomi is, which is a pretty wild thought to have.
DaSpood2026-01-10 23:48
Yelan is still good to this day, Neuvillette is still good to this day (which is rare for a main dps, even if he's not at the level of the newest best teams he still works well), and honestly Zhongli is still good at what he does.
Commentaires
I think Mona is great currently but she wasn't much meta.
But if I have to pick one, my pick goes to Yelan.
Kaz: has amazing grouping, res shred, damage bonus, and elemental reapplication. He can also provide extra team energy using xiphos and a lot of personal damage through swirling and element.
Durin: provides good res shred, great elemental application, has hex, and does great off feild damage plus can be an attack buffer using noblesse.
Zhongli: has the strongest no cope involved whatsoever sheild. Good res shred. Has a pillar to cheese endgame content. He is a sheild destroyer against enemies. And provides petrify for annoying enemies. He can either be an attack buffer or an elemental damage % buffer based off of the artifacts sets he uses.
Xilonen: has great single target healing (still not enough for furina though), great res shred, and great damage bonus. But, that is it.
Xilonen was amazing, but still lacks against the other 3 for versatility.
There's a reason why she is considered better, and also has BiS teams whereas Kazuha does not anymore in 2025-2026. Her having synergy with Furina and Natlan units to begin with already makes her a preferable pick over Kazuha. You severely underplayed the aspects of her supportive qualities that make Xilonen better overall, which is a misrepresentation of her power level when there's simply no argument about what the consensus is.
Durin's recent addition to the game made her less valuable, but he still fills entirely different niches compared to her. Zhongli is simply outclassed in every regard besides having interruption resistance, and Kazuha's higher personal damage and grouping is not enough to outright beat Xilonen when she was intended as an upgrade to him.
1. No. Xilonen only has 1 bis team and that is with a c1+ neuvilette in hypercarry.
2. Even in that team, she is still considered a luxury pick.
3. Furina fanfare is based on how many times hp is increased or decreased. Not the number of hp healed or decreased.
4. You forgot all other points I mentioned. On how the other 3 do much more than xilonen and will be doing better than her overall. (Check the current abyss).
5. Xilonen Buffs are only on average 2-8% better than zhongli in the teams they can be both played in. Its not worth considering a 5* just for that.
6. Her usage rate has gone downhill especially at c0. The only why you see good usage rate is because 70% of the people who submit have her at c2.
7. Yes, she may have longer buff uptimes, but in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter when 80% of all characters now want to be in their dedicated teams which makes no use of xilonen whatsoever.
2. All of these units are luxury picks; the meta has shifted towards niche archetypes. Xilonen is losing value as a result of that, but Zhongli and Kazuha lost their value long ago
3. Furina Fanfare is based on the total percentage of HP change. Using Furina skill beforehand into huge ticks of healing frontloads the Fanfare generation. It's true that Xilonen being a single-target healer can sometimes not max out the Fanfare at C0, but this is still very synergistic. It's around the same speed of Neuvillette's HP fluctuations with no other healer. And like I said, the fact that Xilonen can partially synergize with Furina is already significantly better than Kazuha and Zhongli. With those two, you'd have to slot in another healer option if you run them with Furina, and that's already not BiS to put 2 generalist supports + a generalist healer when the current meta teams are about niches
4. I literally pointed out how Kazuha's higher personal DPS and grouping is generally not better than Xilonen's consistent uptime and sustain. He is good RIGHT NOW due to Venti shill, but it's already been established that CC is losing relevance, and it's now a long-standing tradition to funnel more buffs to the carry. Zhongli is worse in every regard unless you care about IR, and people who care about meta relevance can opt to dodge, which foregoes the need for his shield. He also has a reasonably cheaper alternative in Lan Yan with TToDS and a situationally stronger shield at C2. She's not as universal, but more accessible and sometimes even better
5. Xilonen has more meta relevant teams, and I assume you are talking about a team DPS increase. Xilonen has 36% RES Shred + 40%/35% elemental DMG% increase. She can more reliably use Archaic Petra due to her skates. Meanwhile, it's natural to assume that Zhongli's Tenacity or Petra uptime will be really poor, which can be proved by just playing him. This leaves him with only 20% RES Shred. So the actual damage gap is bigger in practice. Also, generalist supports don't usually reach the upper limits of 20% team DPS increase to begin with, because they're not niche supports
6. Everyone's usage rate has dipped besides Durin. They're all victims of generalist units losing value. I understand it's not fair to compare a C2 character vs. C0s, but the fact that she has a good early constellation makes it another pathway for higher investment. Zhongli has no way to improve his value, including missing a signature weapon. Kazuha's C2 being imitable by Sucrose and being a saturated stat makes him worse if we compare their constellations. I think Xilonen's C2 is overrated for vertical investment, but it exists as a way to raise her ceiling that people *did* pull for, so I wouldn't even deem people having it as a negative
7. Like I said, her higher consistency does matter in practice. You're entitled to think otherwise. But disregarding this significant aspect of her makes no sense when we've both established that the meta now revolves around niche teams, to which Kazuha and Zhongli aren't doing anything better either. They're ALL being benched
If your argument was to say skip Xilonen if you already have Kazuha or Zhongli, I actually agree with that. The problem is that you're saying she's outright outclassed compared to all of them, which is simply disingenuous and untrue.
There's a reason why lots of people jumped ship and started lashings against those two men, and it's because her consistency, versatility, and higher presence as a BiS slot for meta teams matter to people. There's a reason why nobody has seriously considered Zhongli in years, and why Kazuha has been disregarded once Neuvillette gained more teams and stopped being the pinnacle of the meta. Ask anyone, TCer or regular player, and they might have varying answers in how much of an upgrade Xilonen is; even then, it's been clear for a year now that the consensus is that she's better than those two, regardless of the degrees in metrics.
All of this is just history revisionism off of your personal preferences. You can stick with Kazuha and Zhongli if they serve your purposes, and no one is stopping you, but your biases don't change what actually happens when you have these characters and can compare their value. Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect that this is coming from a place of trying to validate you skipping her in favor of using the other characters. That's not a bad decision, but elevating it and saying she's worse as confirmation bias is going too far.
I've also reached the point where I own all of them, and have cleared every current iteration of Stygian Onslaught Dire so far. Xilonen was used for all 5 of them. Kazuha was helpful, but I only used him once as an imitation of Xilonen for another team (the Neuvillette one during 5.8 Cactus IIRC). I do not count Zhongli's usage against the Iktomisaur, because he's used for cheesing purposes.
I haven't needed to use Durin yet, though that doesn't matter when I'm not arguing that Xilonen is better than him. Durin would push every other unit down regardless, and Kazuha suffers more due to Durin having Sucrose as a Hexerei partner. When generalist supports become even more satured, you'd naturally start picking amongst the stronger half too, because the game starts becoming more balanced around the powercreep. The elevated damage floor means the optimal play is to use none of these units, so if you must gravitate towards one and can freely pick among all of them, it's not going to be Kazuha or Zhongli
Second, Mavuika doesn't use Xilonen as her BIS teammate. Mavuika mains also agrees, and they did the math for it.
For your fourth point, grouping is heavily needed in IT which comes up every single time anemo is in play. Which is literally every other 2 months. Plus, grouping was very good the past 3 abysses as well, not just the current one. and for the point of lanyan: NO. her shield is outright worse than Zhongli's in all regards. The situations where it could work is very niche plus lots of opponents use physical damage, which only Zhongli and noelle have Shield strength for as well as having dendro, anemo, and geo.
I do agree with your 6th point. But I would say it is not worth comparing cons since most players in general won't bother pulling for it outside dedicated supports/dps'.
for your last point. "In practice" means many things. If you need more damage, durin is the better call. If you need more grouping, Kaz is the better call. If you keep dying, Zhongli is the better choice. Xilonen is the same but with healing.
Also, everything I said wasn't bias. If you read it carefully, I only stated facts which are true in game. When looked at an objective opposition, you would also understand where I am coming from.
>Xilonen was amazing, but still lacks against the other 3 for versatility.
>On how the other 3 do much more than xilonen and will be doing better than her overall.
>First of all, I never said she was outclassed by them. Don't make shit up.
Your entire first reply hinged on you explaining how she's lacking in versatility compared to the rest of the units in question. It also listed out each of the supports' qualities while diminishing Xilonen's in specific when those qualities are what makes her considered so universally strong. Her doing one or two less things when her consistency and Furina enabling in itself are very valuable was what I initially pointed out, and I don't think it's a stretch for me to have interpreted that the way in which you presented it had the intention to express that she was outclassed.
I did not "make shit up" when you deliberately put forth the narrative and only commented that in the first place to devalue her. I sought to clarify that any reasonable person would not reach the conclusion that Xilonen "did less" or "lacks versatility" compared to all of them when she's had a stronger meta presence in her heydays and even now. You did indeed bring up objective aspects of each character, but Xilonen's highlights were conveniently downplayed to reach the conclusion that she does less and lacks versatility, when her consistent uptime, higher ceiling of buffing, and healing is precisely why she was valued higher for so long.
It also left out her Natlan mechanics, and although she's not necessarily the best at that, that's something she does that the others do not. And because Zhongli is mostly in discussion for QoL purposes, Xilonen having skates made her pull versatility higher as well, though that understandably doesn't count for meta. But if the overall intention of your first comment was to illustrate how Xilonen is technically doing less on a quantitive number of tasks, that's also a point that deliberately has to skew values. It does it in a way that is not realistically applicable to the game, or helpful to understanding each unit's history and overall capabilities/pull value. She may cover less responsibilities as a whole, but what she does do still universally applies at a considerable gap above Kazuha and Zhongli, which matters in the context of versatility.
I agree with a lot of the stuff you brought up, but that wasn't elaborated upon in your initial comment. Also, Lan Yan's shield is still usually worse than Zhongli's. It's just that *situationally* it can be equivalent or better at C2, though it lacks uptime. Zhongli still wins in having his shield versatility, but that's diminishing in value when it's becoming increasingly less of a necessity. And the point of bringing her up was to mention how she isn't a premium cost who can achieve nearly the same utility while potentially buffing more. She's not more universal, just cheaper.
I also do want to correct the number of Xilonen's current BiS teams when C6 Iansan did much in kicking her out of those spots. However, she is still the closest second option for those aforementioned meta carries, including Varesa. C6 Iansan is also a newer unit that may cost a similar pull investment due to the wish system. Varesa and Mavuika would have overlap in wanting C6 Iansan, while Varesa and Mualani would have overlap in wanting Durin as well. Xilonen still retains some of her universal value by freeing up these teams while not being far behind. I re-emphasize the importance of the Furina core elevating older DPS characters to much greater heights as well, though this duo isn't BiS outside of Navia. (Doesn't matter right now, but Xilonen also buffs Geo itself, while Kazuha does not do the same towards Anemo)
It is realistic to assume that the multiple chamber nature of IT and SO means not always being able to use the BiS team when some of it won't be available. Kazuha would be slightly weaker or equal in those situations, depending on if you preferred healing or CC. Meanwhile, Zhongli provides little outside of comfort as a flex slot that can reasonably be replaced by lots of characters. They're all collective victims of newer characters being at a higher power level and preferable in their niches. I reiterate that the lower end of these versatile supports lose more value in the sense that they get pushed down further the more options exist, as Xilonen being 2nd best matters over the descension of the other two. They lose some instrinsic versatility when they're not as valuable contenders in freeing up team slots.
Irrelevant addendums, but Kazuha being able to hold Xiphos doesn't inherently make him more valuable, since Xilonen can also forego using her signature in favor of Favonius Sword. She already doesn't need to build any stats due to her buffing potential not being contingent on having stats, as it only affects her ability to heal. The same is somewhat applicable to Zhongli being able to hold Favonius Lance while not sacrificing anything in the context of buffs. Xiphos is a limited banner gacha weapon that is a flexible "in-between" due to Kazuha needing EM. Holding Favonius Sword may sometimes provide more team-wide energy as well, so this is a consequence of his buffing being reliant on properly building him.
And I also do think the Zhongli cheese can potentially matter in ongoing Stygian Onslaughts, since there's a precedent for that now. I wouldn't claim that to be strong enough to rope back Zhongli into the equation when he's honestly the weakest of this quartet, but I'm not gonna dismiss the potential.
Kazuha hasn't been bad since he came out, although he's a little less applicable to modern teams than he used to be, he's still reliable.
Yelan is falling off now. Less normal attack based characters, and more off field hydro options. Still a strong character who's been around for years.
Support: kazuha since he's a versatile support
And lunar teams really Really REALLY want that EM on their offielders.
The actual meta of playing who like and vertically investing them and/or their supports keeps any character relevant. I clear Dire SO with Yoimiya. I prefer playing characters I like instead of chasing shiny new toys.
But, if I had to predict a character that will stay high in the meta for the longest time. Furina is the answer.
Any other charactes is not old enough or droped from (real) meta long ago.
And Kazuha is used even now together with Ineffa with him. The version with Lauma is stronger but it's still a good option if someone wants her somewhere else. It's a 107k DPS team.
Yelan
Zhongli
Kazuha
Childe
Mostly these 5. They are all varying degree of decent and no longer top dogs despite still being able to clear Abyss fine. Theres other characters as well but these are the ones furthest back that have been like this
Nilou obviously got Lauma but even before that bloom in AOE gets like an extra 20k DPS.
Nilou basically was unused for 1.5-2 out of 3 years of her release. I was talking chars that had seen good use in abyss for the longest amount of time and the ones I have listed above are all higher than Nilou even if she is performing very well now.
Nahida/Kokomi should be added to the list too
Abyss usage is the dumbest way to gauge this.
Nilou bloom is digusting in AOE even old bloom clears triple kenki in less than a minute
Nilou wasnt unused for 2 years? like wtf ru talking about.
Childe National aint doing that to any floor nowadays.
And right now it isnt even close
Childe has had decently consistent results as a mid tier character for years despite being from patch 1.1. I'm not saying hes some S tier meta character but hes put up consistency despite being a 5 year old unit.
Also unironically i think jean is amazing and i got her 1.0. Not op by any means minus the recent exploit you could do with her but shes extremely tanky and self sufficient, especially now that after 5 years i have her c6
All have consistently been really good for the entire duration. Not necessarily groundbreaking or anything like that as of recent years obviosuly but clearing endgame content, even Stygian where all can have particuarly great matchups considering how old they are.
CN side has always rated Hu Tao btw and shes getting a boost next patch.
We’ve had a lot of power creep and there are some characters here I wouldn’t recommend getting anymore.
Furina will probably overtake him someday
With Lauma you can clear any dendro check.
Lauma (EM) Raiden Xinqiu and Yelan - clears any current dendro checks.
Nahida was past in this team.
Columbina is the future of this team.
but i would say yelan, furina, nahida, kazuha and zhongli. and yes, kazuha, nahida and zhongli fell off, but nahida is still bis for nefer, zhongli could be in a top tier with zibai and kazuha is not the best support, but still good.
Furina is the future "good" character that will be in meta for ages. Neuvi, as a dps, is still doing strong despite all the new releases because his playstyle is so simple.
Exploring, Half the interactive hoyolab map occuli annotations pre natlan were a picture of venti using his skill.
Combat, he wasn't powerful but there will always be a horde fight. Everyone concentrates on doing a buttload to single target, but no one handles chaff like venti does. wether it's spiral abyss occasionally having bum rush floors or the patch that gets that combat event where they throw loads of hillichurls / hoarders at you, Ventis Burst is the nicest way to deal with them.
Kazuhas flying is very useful though especially with albedo/zhongli
Even with today's roster, I'm struggling to think of any one character that is as good a healer as Kokomi is, which is a pretty wild thought to have.