i know it’s a bit controversial, but mauvika would be pretty insane since you alr have citlali
also personally i love chlorinde’s playstyle and I think she’s one of the most flexible electro dps’s, but she’s not rly gonna make your account “busted”. there’s just a lot of char she works well with like nahida, fischl, yelan, furina, sara, etc.
Neoslayer2026-01-07 06:13
Are you telling me to double down on mavuika constellatio?
Express-Pie-97842026-01-07 06:17
i may or may not have not expanded the image……..but i think future hexen members will be great for your acc cus u have durin. I believe varka and eventually alice will be hexen members so check em out when they release.
Neoslayer2026-01-07 06:25
Yeah, I've been told about varka and alice a lot but I dunno anything about them.. Others are saying bina and ineffa.. Escoffier was a dream unit but I feel like she will have to wait
Express-Pie-97842026-01-07 06:29
I have a somewhat similar roster to yours, and i’m pulling for bina+ineffa to enable some more teams of mine cus i don’t have any NK chars. I was hoping to use them with chlorinde, yelan, neuve.
Escoffier would be great considering u have ayaka and gnayu, i rarely see those two used anymore so im interested to see how they perform with escoffier. But yea hexen is far from complete and there are many highly anticipated characters in that circle
Neoslayer2026-01-07 08:25
Yeah I might be going for bina, then escoffier
Lopsided_Share_1852026-01-07 05:42
If you cant get bina + ineffa next patch then save until their rerun. They're amazing together and basically make a viable meta team by themselves. Your account looks amazing already honestly you just don't have any of Nodkrai 5-stars yet.
burnpsy2026-01-07 05:44
The current hardest endgame is Stygian Onslaught, which is focused on shill mechanics. Because of that, it is currently focused on making sure you use Lunar reactions.
If you want to be able to clear Lunar checks easily, Columbina and Ineffa together form a strong wheelchair duo for those outdated C2s. They both happen to be running in phase 1 next patch.
babangelsin2026-01-07 05:50
You posted almost the exact same thing [before](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1q1niv2/no_skirkoffier_or_nod_krai_5050_with_5_pulls/), are you seeking some sort of validation instead of the actual answers?
Neoslayer2026-01-07 06:11
Worded title completely differently and gave more specifics which you can see has better results, not to mention on said post I didn't get any advice regarding units to get and all I did was the most garbage advice from you, which was to [double down on my outdated units and c6ing them as an f2p](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1q1niv2/comment/nx72gkk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), when the new endgame relies on shilling units, which you admitted you couldn't beat, And I am not in the mood for more of the egotistical slop that you call "answers"
babangelsin2026-01-07 06:18
What you call garbage advice is basically the truth of your account since you should be able to clear all endgames with those units, as some other people told you in this thread as well.
It looks like you are fishing for answers that validate your already existing, unchanging opinion that it is not a skill issue on your part but instead a fundamental mistake you've made that you have to fix by getting more units
Neoslayer2026-01-07 06:24
Nobody here told me to c6 my c2'ed archons or Natlan units but you. Literally nobody here but YOU are telling me to get constellations. I told you to clear stygian onslaught with the units I invested in and you went radio silent. Leave me alone.
As you can see I'm actually engaging with them and considering what they say and not the projecting nonsense you keep saying. Keep your narcissistic slop off my thread and let the humble people have a shot.
babangelsin2026-01-07 06:27
>c6 my c2'ed archons but you
I didn't say or imply this either. Also you have never told me to clear SO with units -you- invested in (would be impossible since I don't have them). When you are done seething, try to read what other people actually say instead of the demons in your head.
There is a part in that conversation where you try to school me about my decisions because I can't clear **SO Dire** when you are unable to do Fearless. Think about that.
Neoslayer2026-01-07 06:37
>I didn't say or imply this either. Also you have never told me to clear SO with units -you- invested in
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>Go try to "brute force" Stygian Onslaught with C6 Nahida, Zhongli, and Raiden and see how much that helps against actual mechanical powercreep. What if I don't want Chasca or Navia? Do I need to "mindset" C6 yelan against a hydro tulpa?
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>try to read what other people actually say instead of the demons in your head.
You also keep mentioning my clear of fearless, when I never mentioned that to begin with?
babangelsin2026-01-07 06:39
You realize that my advice was specifically to put **key constellations on Xilonen, Mavuika and Citlali**, right? Do you understand how that is different from telling you to C6 your already C2 archons or units, or telling you to get Chasca or Navia?
Just trying to figure out if you are lucid or not.
Neoslayer2026-01-07 07:34
You quoted my original comment about FOMOing on on-fielders, then told me to invest in 5.x units that didn't exist when I made those mistakes. How does that help me now?
You're also telling me to C6 entire teams. Do you think I can pull enough primos out of my ass to vertically invest multiple teams before the meta shifts again? I want to clear content now, not in 3 years. What about the other 2 teams needed on stygian? You want me to download a primo generator so I can blow over 3,000 pulls on those too?
You keep ignoring my actual point: constellations on units like Raiden and zhongli created the problem. When new mechanics drop, those vertical investments don't help. Raiden / nahida C2 doesn't change the fact that c0 lauma/ varesa is now better, and they move the goalposts.
My original post said I wouldn't have these problems if I'd horizontally invested. You're now telling me the solution is more vertical investment. That's not advice, that's just repeating my mistake. I've told you this and even addressed you telling me to invest in mav, cit and xilonen, so much for lucidity.
Even theorycrafters recommend horizontal investment for IT and Abyss before going vertical. This isn't just my opinion, it's how the endgame math works.
Even if I could just duplicate primos or become a nolife hoarder for the next 20 patches, doesn't mean this method works for everyone, yet you keep preaching it as the de facto way to play the game.
babangelsin2026-01-07 07:48
>then told me to invest in 5.x units that didn't exist when I made those mistakes. How does that help me now?
By giving you very solid teams that are well beyond the dps ceilings of what you would get from c0 units for a very long time
>You're also telling me to C6 entire teams
I don't. C2 of each of these units are considered key constellations. You could ask what the key constellations are, because you have no idea how the units you own work, but instead you keep arguing with your demons.
>You keep ignoring my actual point: constellations on units like Raiden and zhongli created the problem.
I don't, and I don't care since old units had bad constellations and new units have very good constellations. You think this is a relevant point because, again, you don't know what you are talking about. I also didn't say you should get all of them, I suggested you could get some. I also even said you could get Columbina and co. if you wanted, just told you to not close yourself to vertical investment.
>that's just repeating my mistake
You took cough pills to cure diarrhea, didn't work, I am telling you to take diarrhea pills instead. You are sperging on me by constantly saying "I used pills, they didn't work". This is basically the summary of your entire rebuttal, and it could be avoided if you were a bit more self-aware of how clueless you are about the game.
>This isn't just my opinion, it's how the endgame math works.
You don't know how anything works but you have very strong opinions, and you need to become aware of that.
justnameitwhatever2026-01-07 05:51
we have more/less the same characters and i dont consider my acc cooked.. still 36 stars abyss, 12 stage theater, and calmly just taking the primos from stygian.. that's enough.
my cons are c2 furina, c2r1 chasca, and recently c6r1 venti, also don't have nodkrai chars yet.
i dont personally like using mavuika but people like her and shes still one of the highest damage dealer in the game, especially since you do have her best teammates. i think just recheck your builds on; mavuika xilonen citlali furina jean venti durin.
also try your luck on ineffa next patch for your first nod krai
Neoslayer2026-01-07 06:17
I think I need to get better at stygian, and since I havent done abyss in like 4 cycles, I also cant think of teams for that rn
justnameitwhatever2026-01-07 08:02
personally think nothing valuable above primogems in stygian so i don't bother. the primo stages are really easy you should be able to do it. there are youtube guide videos about each cycle of abyss so just watch that if you want to attempt but not think too much.
your c2r1 raiden should be still good, should be on par with c0r0 newer dps, just recheck the build and teams, the best build/team might change from what it was before. you should not spend primos on new dps each time, it's gonna change again. and c2 furina is a never regret, paired with bennett/kuki is enough to fill the fanfare.
pick 2-3 teams you enjoy playing and invest a lot on them (cons/5 star weapons/extra good artifacts/premium teams), they should survive the powercreeps
Neoslayer2026-01-07 08:23
True, the primo stages are easy as hell, but that is what I mean by cooked, from a stygian standpoint, relative to what I have, compared to what someone else with the same account age.
As a day 1 player not only am I missing a lot of pull value but I should have all the teams for clearing dire.
justnameitwhatever2026-01-07 08:39
some cons are really good value for long run, some are not. i consider my primo spending on chasca c2 and furina c2 are great value. if you care about pull value just research and think more about the characters and cons/weapons before pulling. i still think c2r1 of great value/favorite chars are better investment than c0r0 of every new team hoyo releases.
go ahead if you want to keep pulling new teams and focus on stygian. keep in mind the best teams for that will keep changing, i prefer not to bother with it.
Neoslayer2026-01-07 08:42
while they keep changing, I think eventually I'll have enough to beat the mechanical powercreep lol.
But yeah I understand that chasing every new unit without thinking is obviously not the way to go. But at the end of it all, horizontal investment means more content and more fun, and more consistency in all the endgame
SecyaDenali2026-01-07 05:54
I dont think people are ready for the MDPS Columbina, Ineffa, Zhongli, Xilonen team.
Ineffa and Lauma are already cracked, Bina with either of the two is so overhwhlemingly great for any account.
Also the majority of players dont do Mav optimal and yeah Bina/Ineffa stuff works as per usual.
Funniest team is Bina, Lauma, Venti, Durin (Cit and Esc also can sneak in)
So yeah basically as always in Genshin invest in valuable supports work the rest out later.
Income_Correct2026-01-07 07:32
wich 5 stars are c2? i dont see many outdated units. mavuika, citlali, xilonen, nahida, zhongli, durin, arlecchino, yelan, raiden, kazuha, baizhou and hutao are still completely fine. especially if you have them c2
Neoslayer2026-01-07 07:36
c2 Raiden, nahida, zhongli, yelan c1. Probably didn't need an arle with all my current Pyro DPS either. Using a c2 of any of these over any c0 nod krai would just be a downgrade.
Income_Correct2026-01-07 07:47
my arle is c2 and its a 190k+ dps team. c2 mavuika is even higher. whait, you wrote, that you invested in to many c2s, and now you have only raiden, nahida and zhongli c2? hmm. nahida is in one of the strongest teams in the game (nefer) and zhongli is in one of the strongest teams in the game (zhibai). so, who is outdated?
Neoslayer2026-01-07 07:47
You're mentioning a unit I don't have and a unit that's not even out yet.
Income_Correct2026-01-07 08:03
yes, but it shows that nahida and zhongli are not outdated. and mavuika, citlali, durin and so on are also not outdated. so, whats your goal with this post? i dont see outdated c2s
Neoslayer2026-01-07 08:18
Bringing up a unit that isn't even out yet as your counter for a unit that has been outdated for years is beyond intellectually dishonest.
Having a c2 nahida doesn't change the fact that having a c0 ineffa and a c0 lauma would have been a better investment. Having a c0 raiden with the catch and getting a varesa, who is stronger than c0 raiden, would have been a better. Zhibai who doesn't even exist yet, doesn't change that Zhongli's C1/C2 are lackluster by today's standards.
You're treating "outdated" as a binary when I'm talking about *opportunity cost*.
Income_Correct2026-01-07 08:26
wich unit is outdated for years? and yes, having c0 lauma is better as c2 nahida. but you pulled nahida 3 years ago. lauma wasnt released at this time. you could just stop pulling for the next 2 years and get op units in patch 8.x. but thats not usefull. so, you have great units wich are still completly fine and strong. and you have to get a few new units to combine with your older meta units. and if talking about units wich are not released is dishonest? when you have with mavuika the best dps in patch 6.2. i dont know what you mean with outdated
Neoslayer2026-01-07 08:32
When did I say my Mavuika was C2? You keep bringing up Mavuika.
You're arguing against a position I never took. I didn't say stop pulling for years. I said spreading constellations across supports gave me less team flexibility than more C0 limited units would have.
You just admitted Lauma would have been better than C2 Nahida. That's my entire point. I made that trade-off multiple times (Raiden C2, Zhongli C2, etc.) and now I am missing roster depth for multi-team content, especially as someone who had to take breaks on the game.
Income_Correct2026-01-07 08:41
as you pulled nahida, you alternatives would be cyno, wanderer or nilou. as you pulled for raiden your alternatives would be itto, yae miko or ayato. as you pulled for zhongli, you alternatives would be childe, eula and xiao. pulling zhongli c2 in patch 1.x dosnt have impact on owning lauma or ineffa. and i never talked about c2 mavuika, but c0 mavuika is the best dps in the game
Neoslayer2026-01-07 08:46
> yes, but it shows that nahida and zhongli are not outdated. and mavuika, citlali, durin and so on are also not outdated. so, whats your goal with this post? i dont see outdated c2s
>my arle is c2 and its a 190k+ dps team. c2 mavuika is even higher.
Yes you did.
Pulling for zhongli c2 in patch 1.x means I missed out opportunity value for much stronger units that my account could've benefit from. So yes, it quite literally had an impact on the long run. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
lawlianne2026-01-07 07:43
Surely your Mavuika premium team clears all content blindfolded.
Arlecchino and Neuvillette teams would also settle just about everything else besides Stygian Onslaught which may require/incentivise more specific shilled teams, which would likely be the recent Nodkrai ones.
Neoslayer2026-01-07 07:43
My c0 mavuika with kinich weapon sure doing wonders on all 3 stygian floors
lawlianne2026-01-07 07:51
As mentioned, I suspect Stygian onslaught could be a struggle if you don't have the current/future shilled Nodkrai units, but that's a given.
Devs create the absurd problem and sell you the premium and expensive solution. You will never recuperate the money you spend on these teams even if you full clear Stygian Onslaught, so why bother stressing over it?
Read what the boss requires/shills (I'm sure Mavuika premium team can be slotted somewhere), or see the YouTube guides on cheesing certain bosses like the recent Jean fall damage ones, and just clear whatever difficulty you can within reason.
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also personally i love chlorinde’s playstyle and I think she’s one of the most flexible electro dps’s, but she’s not rly gonna make your account “busted”. there’s just a lot of char she works well with like nahida, fischl, yelan, furina, sara, etc.
Escoffier would be great considering u have ayaka and gnayu, i rarely see those two used anymore so im interested to see how they perform with escoffier. But yea hexen is far from complete and there are many highly anticipated characters in that circle
If you want to be able to clear Lunar checks easily, Columbina and Ineffa together form a strong wheelchair duo for those outdated C2s. They both happen to be running in phase 1 next patch.
It looks like you are fishing for answers that validate your already existing, unchanging opinion that it is not a skill issue on your part but instead a fundamental mistake you've made that you have to fix by getting more units
As you can see I'm actually engaging with them and considering what they say and not the projecting nonsense you keep saying. Keep your narcissistic slop off my thread and let the humble people have a shot.
I didn't say or imply this either. Also you have never told me to clear SO with units -you- invested in (would be impossible since I don't have them). When you are done seething, try to read what other people actually say instead of the demons in your head.
There is a part in that conversation where you try to school me about my decisions because I can't clear **SO Dire** when you are unable to do Fearless. Think about that.
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>Go try to "brute force" Stygian Onslaught with C6 Nahida, Zhongli, and Raiden and see how much that helps against actual mechanical powercreep. What if I don't want Chasca or Navia? Do I need to "mindset" C6 yelan against a hydro tulpa?
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>try to read what other people actually say instead of the demons in your head.
You also keep mentioning my clear of fearless, when I never mentioned that to begin with?
Just trying to figure out if you are lucid or not.
You're also telling me to C6 entire teams. Do you think I can pull enough primos out of my ass to vertically invest multiple teams before the meta shifts again? I want to clear content now, not in 3 years. What about the other 2 teams needed on stygian? You want me to download a primo generator so I can blow over 3,000 pulls on those too?
You keep ignoring my actual point: constellations on units like Raiden and zhongli created the problem. When new mechanics drop, those vertical investments don't help. Raiden / nahida C2 doesn't change the fact that c0 lauma/ varesa is now better, and they move the goalposts.
My original post said I wouldn't have these problems if I'd horizontally invested. You're now telling me the solution is more vertical investment. That's not advice, that's just repeating my mistake. I've told you this and even addressed you telling me to invest in mav, cit and xilonen, so much for lucidity.
Even theorycrafters recommend horizontal investment for IT and Abyss before going vertical. This isn't just my opinion, it's how the endgame math works.
Even if I could just duplicate primos or become a nolife hoarder for the next 20 patches, doesn't mean this method works for everyone, yet you keep preaching it as the de facto way to play the game.
By giving you very solid teams that are well beyond the dps ceilings of what you would get from c0 units for a very long time
>You're also telling me to C6 entire teams
I don't. C2 of each of these units are considered key constellations. You could ask what the key constellations are, because you have no idea how the units you own work, but instead you keep arguing with your demons.
>You keep ignoring my actual point: constellations on units like Raiden and zhongli created the problem.
I don't, and I don't care since old units had bad constellations and new units have very good constellations. You think this is a relevant point because, again, you don't know what you are talking about. I also didn't say you should get all of them, I suggested you could get some. I also even said you could get Columbina and co. if you wanted, just told you to not close yourself to vertical investment.
>that's just repeating my mistake
You took cough pills to cure diarrhea, didn't work, I am telling you to take diarrhea pills instead. You are sperging on me by constantly saying "I used pills, they didn't work". This is basically the summary of your entire rebuttal, and it could be avoided if you were a bit more self-aware of how clueless you are about the game.
>This isn't just my opinion, it's how the endgame math works.
You don't know how anything works but you have very strong opinions, and you need to become aware of that.
my cons are c2 furina, c2r1 chasca, and recently c6r1 venti, also don't have nodkrai chars yet.
i dont personally like using mavuika but people like her and shes still one of the highest damage dealer in the game, especially since you do have her best teammates. i think just recheck your builds on; mavuika xilonen citlali furina jean venti durin.
also try your luck on ineffa next patch for your first nod krai
your c2r1 raiden should be still good, should be on par with c0r0 newer dps, just recheck the build and teams, the best build/team might change from what it was before. you should not spend primos on new dps each time, it's gonna change again. and c2 furina is a never regret, paired with bennett/kuki is enough to fill the fanfare.
pick 2-3 teams you enjoy playing and invest a lot on them (cons/5 star weapons/extra good artifacts/premium teams), they should survive the powercreeps
As a day 1 player not only am I missing a lot of pull value but I should have all the teams for clearing dire.
go ahead if you want to keep pulling new teams and focus on stygian. keep in mind the best teams for that will keep changing, i prefer not to bother with it.
But yeah I understand that chasing every new unit without thinking is obviously not the way to go. But at the end of it all, horizontal investment means more content and more fun, and more consistency in all the endgame
Ineffa and Lauma are already cracked, Bina with either of the two is so overhwhlemingly great for any account.
Also the majority of players dont do Mav optimal and yeah Bina/Ineffa stuff works as per usual.
Funniest team is Bina, Lauma, Venti, Durin (Cit and Esc also can sneak in)
So yeah basically as always in Genshin invest in valuable supports work the rest out later.
Having a c2 nahida doesn't change the fact that having a c0 ineffa and a c0 lauma would have been a better investment. Having a c0 raiden with the catch and getting a varesa, who is stronger than c0 raiden, would have been a better. Zhibai who doesn't even exist yet, doesn't change that Zhongli's C1/C2 are lackluster by today's standards.
You're treating "outdated" as a binary when I'm talking about *opportunity cost*.
You're arguing against a position I never took. I didn't say stop pulling for years. I said spreading constellations across supports gave me less team flexibility than more C0 limited units would have.
You just admitted Lauma would have been better than C2 Nahida. That's my entire point. I made that trade-off multiple times (Raiden C2, Zhongli C2, etc.) and now I am missing roster depth for multi-team content, especially as someone who had to take breaks on the game.
>my arle is c2 and its a 190k+ dps team. c2 mavuika is even higher.
Yes you did.
Pulling for zhongli c2 in patch 1.x means I missed out opportunity value for much stronger units that my account could've benefit from. So yes, it quite literally had an impact on the long run. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Arlecchino and Neuvillette teams would also settle just about everything else besides Stygian Onslaught which may require/incentivise more specific shilled teams, which would likely be the recent Nodkrai ones.
Devs create the absurd problem and sell you the premium and expensive solution. You will never recuperate the money you spend on these teams even if you full clear Stygian Onslaught, so why bother stressing over it?
Read what the boss requires/shills (I'm sure Mavuika premium team can be slotted somewhere), or see the YouTube guides on cheesing certain bosses like the recent Jean fall damage ones, and just clear whatever difficulty you can within reason.