Questions
Does the atk bonus from Noelle’s burst only buff herself or for the entire party?
Similarly, is the dmg bonus from 4-piece emblem only for equipped character or for the entire party?
Similarly, is the dmg bonus from 4-piece emblem only for equipped character or for the entire party?
Commentaires
Could you imagine how broken Noelle would be if she buffed the whole party’s ATK lmao. Just FYI, a 2000 DEF C6 talent lv13 Noelle gives herself 2700 ATK from her burst.
Yeah, no way the party getting that would be balanced. For reference, the best ATK buffer in the game Bennett, gives ~1300 ATK maximum. Noelle giving double that would be absurd.
Same deal with Emblem; only the wearer benefits.
Though realistically you'd sacrifice *something* for energy. With Xilonen 2pc Scroll should suffice, without her Inazuma craftable becomes the best option.
Even then it's closer to 3x Benny's buff. Though I assumed it working only for on-fielder it doesn't matter much at this point.
Also for some reason the character that gains most out of this version of Noelle is... Mavuika the (currently) strongest on-fielder. Three Natlan units including Xilonen give 2pc scroll a lot of energy refund, you can battery Noelle with Xilonen and Mavuika likes Atk.
You are just looking at the roles and think that including those roles in a team by itself achieves the intended result. I am sorry to tell you that it doesn't, and her energy is not "easily solved" by a level 1 Geo MC. Please actually try these things in a new alt account and see how your progression looks like.
Most efficient resource spending if you are not sure which team you will use (which is almost every account until they get their intended first limited 5\*) is just max levelling your Lisa all the way up to AR35, giving her Magic Guide and running her in an overload comp with Amber or any other pyro you have available. No talent leveling, no gacha luck, no crafting and no other stats than EM needed.
In endgame, a non-C6 Noelle will absolutely achieve nothing so that is just resource thrown into a trash can.
Lets not talk about alt account, because Noelle is the one that help me from day one where I don't know jack about the game in 1.0. When Bennet is still a C rank support. People who use Noelle didn't even notice about Child's boss fight nerf. And not once have I ever need to lower my world rank.
If you think you can max level Lisa alone to complete story quest, be my guest.
A C0 Noelle with full DEF is almost as tanky as Zhongli while deal more damage than Zhongli. And at C1, she's the tankiest thing in the game even at this moment. It's a safety net Hoyo create for casual.
When you don't know jack, the character that they give you at the start is usually what you go with, it says nothing about the viability of the character since you can reach AR60 making the worst choices unless your PC catches on fire.
>A C0 Noelle with full DEF is almost as tanky as Zhongli while deal more damage than Zhongli. And at C1, she's the tankiest thing in the game even at this moment. It's a safety net Hoyo create for casual.
Both very, very incorrect
Stop talking out of your ass, thank you.
Also I am sorry. I assume that people here have all learn some math and know the obvious. Turn out its not the case
https://www.reddit.com/r/Noellemains/comments/rkdrbx/here_is_what_a_35k_def_noelle_would_have/
The link is using a Noelle with Level 13 shield. Let's put aside for a moment that this has nothing to do with what an early game account will experience, did you know that to have a Level 13 shield you need a certain constellation?
Theoretical max HP of a Zhongli is around 65K (65814 to be exact). That gives him a 17K HP shield. 25.5K with Geo absorption bonus. Zhongli has 737 Base DEF, so if you assume that he has 0 DEF bonuses from artifacts or else, he has 42% DMG reduction against a 100 LVL enemy. That gives you 127K HP total. So no, i aM soRrY tO sTatE thE oBviOuS, the math is not helping you here.
Now getting back to reality, 1) A triple DEF whiteblind noelle will absolutely not clear endgame, not even get close unless you are explicitly carrying her with the rest of the team dealing 90% of the team's DPS. And an endgame account should absolutely not build or run one. 2) Tell me the DEF% to ATK% conversion of a Talent level 1 Noelle.
And you think they can be any of use at lv1? Did you lost your plot of putting the least investment in a temporary team for story content only? What would you have at that moment? a lv1 Barbara, that's it. Did you actually play the freaking game?
>That gives you 127K HP total. So no, i aM soRrY tO sTatE thE oBviOuS, the math is not helping you here.
66k/42 \*100 = 157k HP
26k/42\*100 = 61k HP
Total for 218k for Zhongli.
Vs Noelle who has 81k HP, 95K shield. 8.k HP heal each hit (15hit each rotation, 25 if spin). **Total for 175k HP, 120k heal each rotation, 200k heal if spin**. Plus staggering from being claymore. On top of that 78% damage reduction will apply for external healing/shielding (from Zhongli for example)
You don't want to compare them in numerical value. And remember the wolflord which cut through shield into percentage HP?
>Now getting back to reality, 1) A triple DEF whiteblind noelle will absolutely not clear endgame, not even get close unless you are explicitly carrying her with the rest of the team dealing 90% of the team's DPS.
Once again, you lost your plot. It will absolutely clear story while you get primo gems from it and wait/experiment for your favorite meta team. 2 years. that's the number of years I have to play to get my first Bennet.
> And an endgame account should absolutely not build or run one. 2) Tell me the DEF% to ATK% conversion of a Talent level 1 Noelle.
A mid game account should not go for Noelle. But an end game account does. That's when you have more than enough meta team and now can go for ease of use to turn your brain off in those day when you don't feel like doing proper rotation, elemental application. **And Noelle is one of the easier, if not the easiest character in the game, with unparallel tankinest, wide aoe, forgiving rotation that can switch out anytime during her burst**.
>66k/42 \*100 = 157k HP
What is this math? Do you think this is what you get when you put 42% damage reduction on a 66K HP unit? 157K HP?
You are supposed to multiply 66 with 42, and then divide by 100. That will give you the extra percentage. You can then add that to the base 66.
I was asking about the DEF% to ATK conversion of a talent level 1 Noelle. Why do you think that is not relevant to an early game Noelle but specifically mid game (whatever that means)?
What is a "meta team" do you think OP might have and could you tell me why build a non-C6 Noelle from scratch to put on the helm of it? Did you clear any endgame with Noelle lately? Here is my [my Noelle that I have been playing since Day 1](https://enka.network/u/708242022/), the only times I can clear abyss relying on her damage on the latest seasons is when there is an AoE chamber.
Holy shit this is embarassing. You don't know basic math, but somehow extremely opinionated and reaching for excuses. I am a Noelle main probably way longer than you were, what you are doing is straight up bullshit misinformation.
Because the plot is to invest the least resource in a temporary team to clear story? Did you actually read? Are we still talking about min max for new account here?
"**Else you have to spend resource on 1 slot offence, 1 slot defense/healer**"
>You are supposed to multiply 66 with 42, and then divide by 100. That will give you the extra percentage. You can then add that to the base 66.
That's how you calculate effective HP with damage reduction. If you have 10 HP and only receive half of the damage due to 50% damage reduction, your real HP value would be double at 20, no? Since you receive only half the normal damage. I around up the number so hopefully you can see it easier now.
10/50\*100 = 20 , that's the formula. Same if Zhongli receive only 42% of damage. No?
>I was asking about the DEF% to ATK conversion of a talent level 1 Noelle. Why do you think that is not relevant to an early game Noelle but specifically mid game (whatever that means)?
It's as weak as any lv1 talent lv in any character. What? You think your early game phase stop when you level her talent up to 2?
Early game is when you just do quests, enjoying the narrative.
Mid game is when you start to tackle timed content like Abyss. That's when you have to min max, craft team, squeeze out the most dps you can.
And late game is when you can comfortably deal with all the content with more than enough dps. That's why it's call late game.
Is this not common knowledge?
Also [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReRHhTUZOWM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReRHhTUZOWM)
I was wondering where you get your 66k Zhongli. Perfect artifact?