I saw it myself, rex lapis was assassinated at the right of descenion.
PolskiStalker2026-01-09 17:55
I say Geo is undead, it *sometimes* gets *something*
Physical is dead, buried and its grave is danced upon
Admirable_Register892026-01-09 19:39
>Physical is dead
Well duh it doesn't even have an archon smh
strawwwwwwwwberry2026-01-09 20:38
I decree Dain to be the physical archon. It would probably piss off a lot of people and that sounds funny.
Martian_on_the_Moon2026-01-09 21:34
That is gonna be Capitano. Sandrone will enable enchanced Superconduct. /s
JunWasHere2026-01-09 20:39
When they made Freminet, they may as well have said "We don't really care about this one. Let the writers have him."
(I mention the writers cause while Freminet's mental illness themed event story wasn't my favourite in terms of story flow or gameplay, but I enjoyed and appreciated the thoughtful representation of mental illness.)
Luna_MariaHawke2026-01-10 16:14
I want to hug him SO BADLY!
Neospanner2026-01-09 21:03
[And the dance is the flamenco!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go7SeJ-yOL4)
SomeAwakenedDude2026-01-09 21:27
yeah but physical is not an element. The two elements related to it are eating good
omegavolt92026-01-11 03:59
Meanwhile Noelle gets a positive out of almost everything. Itto? She gets Redhorn and Gorou. Furina? Noelle is like the single best character for getting the most out of Furina's kit. Xilonen? She's also one of Noelle's best team members. Hexerei? That's an Albedo buff, and he's another of Noelle's popular team members. Durin himself also, is a good support for Noelle teams while enabling Hexerei for Albedo. Lunar Crystallize? Noelle is going to make great use of that too. Hoping Varka will bring a knights of favonius buff that affects her too.
Obstanmarty2026-01-09 18:12
i heard the blonde-haired outlander may have been responsible
ezio452026-01-10 02:29
I hear he's possibly Rex Lapis' reincarnation.
NeoLedah2026-01-09 19:33
We're literally about to have a ground breaking new geo mechanic
Real-Contest49142026-01-09 19:36
She's not an archon like character though.
Admirable_Register892026-01-09 19:39
>archon like character
Daughter of istaroth
Real-Contest49142026-01-09 19:46
She wasn't built up to be a deity who's the focus of a nation's main story, neuvilette had more build up to take over, all of nod krai is columbina story.
LiDragonLo2026-01-09 22:28
Not really ground breaking
Matty1Ben2026-01-10 01:05
Noelle about to bring in the dough
xrds_x2026-01-09 19:34
Rex Lapis... Assassinated?
dave_the_dova2026-01-09 19:44
At the rite of descension!
SomeAwakenedDude2026-01-09 21:28
Nah Columbina is reviving geo. Rex Lapis is bis for a top 4 dps now
TheBlackViper_Alpha2026-01-10 00:41
If Geo is dead Physical is in purgatory or some shit.
HemaMemes2026-01-10 01:39
Lunar Crystallize is gonna save the element.
Not only does it deal damage, but it also creates unbreakable Geo constructs.
Iamliterallyfood2026-01-10 07:12
George especially navia getting a huge buff with columbina.
I mean sure but not really, Furina's archon half is dead, and she doesn't have any archon duties
SpellOpening78522026-01-09 18:55
1 archon figure*
YellowGetRekt2026-01-09 19:18
So does that mean zhongli doesn't count as an archon either? He's literally dead
Pi-Alamode2026-01-09 19:22
Fake dead to retire vs having your archon half literally killed by her own hands
Otamice2026-01-09 19:24
The catch is the "Hydro Archon" itself is dead. Like, nobody will ever be able to be the Hydro Archon. Meanwhile the Geo throne is still (presumably) untouched
Great-Background15872026-01-09 20:35
ruling a region isn't what make you archon its the element throne as long as zhongli keep sitting in the Geo throne in celestia eyes he is the archon
nebneb4322026-01-09 20:05
Furina has earned a break (and some cake) from archon duties after 500 years
Upstairs-Mess45072026-01-09 23:10
The whole hydro throne is gone. There will never be another hydro archon.
Pi-Alamode2026-01-09 23:41
Neuvillette has the full authortiy, yeah
ECS08042026-01-10 00:31
Shes still considered an archon by the other archons and by Hoyo (who has put her in multiple archon artwork).
saberjun2026-01-10 01:44
Honorary archron
omegavolt92026-01-11 04:06
Hydro archon status: complicated
Murky_Blueberry26172026-01-10 03:30
Moon goddess is also a Harbinger so even more special
Plus-Theme-32832026-01-09 18:39
It's funny how that we don't have a "hydro archon" in the game
elDayno2026-01-09 19:54
Water takes too many shapes to have an archon
MorganTaoVT2026-01-09 23:23
If not archon, then why archon shaped? :c
_king_of_despair_2026-01-09 23:23
*flashbacks to Oceanid* ..maybe the hydro archon is the friends we made along the way (or the sibling we lost)
Plus-Theme-32832026-01-09 23:51
Hot take, but i think with the system of elements in genshin, the "ability to take any shape" are possible for all elements
h2odragon002026-01-10 06:55
Why need a Hydro Archon when you have A MOTHERFUCKING MOON GODDESS!!
You know what, its actually the same.
Plus-Theme-32832026-01-10 12:55
Ofc i love my moon goddess
_king_of_despair_2026-01-10 18:37
Ykw absolutely the moon rules
Euthya2026-01-09 18:45
Not to nitpick, but I am still irrationally frustrated by the *Frost* Moon (reincarnation) being hydro lol
Also, wouldn't it have made more sense if the Eternal Moon was the one perpetuating its existence with reincarnation? Regardless of lore ofc
SpellOpening78522026-01-09 18:56
Moons affect the tides of a planet, and as Columbina isn't the moon itself (would be a girlfriend shill otherwise :3) but is instead affected by the frost moon, it makes sense that she's hydro in turn.
Euthya2026-01-09 19:09
I do get the logic and it's creative, but it's still a little personal pet peeve of mine ':D
Another reason why I think Eternal Moon would've sounded better imo. No issue with that being hydro.
Guess Eternalmoon Scions doesn't sound as good lol (Scions of the Eternal Moon tho? Hmm)
Thin_Total52432026-01-09 19:57
In lore it’s said that the Eternal Moon was responsible for creating Teyvat’s tides, not the FrostMoon though
totosouk2026-01-09 21:23
But since there is only one moon now doesn’t the frost moon create tide now?
No-Investment-9622026-01-09 21:59
I don't think a moon can suddenly just inherit a new job, plus, someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think the tides went haywire or anything when the eternal moon got destroyed.
jotenha12026-01-10 01:27
"When the Eternal Moon fell, the heavens and earth were thrown into chaos."
They say it themselves on the web event WITH the visual of sea rising onto land.
Aozora4042026-01-10 01:28
> I don’t think a moon can suddenly just inherit a new job
r/brandnewsentence
Top-Idea-17862026-01-10 03:51
No the eternal moon caused a lot of floods after its death, its why the chasm has so many marine fossils and why Inazuma is an archipelago
Iamliterallyfood2026-01-10 07:16
That's how moons work
kingEdward222026-01-09 19:23
Isn't it revealed she isn't the frost moon ? She's a new moon called the welkin moon
Euthya2026-01-09 19:29
Well, the details are in the next patch, so who knows how that happens. I kinda expect she'll "create" a new Moon inside the borders of which she becomes the goddess of or something.
She's still the reincarnation or has SOME closer connection to the Frost Moon, hence why she couldn't hold the other Marrows and the Frost Marrow doesn't exist (cause it's the one not broken.)
Correct me if I'm wrong or missed something tho. I'm forgetful ':)
Ria-sama2026-01-09 19:42
Hasn't it already been said that Nod Krai was the fourth moon that couldn't form and shattered into Teyvat, which is the current Nod Krai? And it was speculated that the fourth moon is the Welkin Moon.
Euthya2026-01-09 19:53
Oh, right. Guess she'll reawaken it or something.
Theory/Fanfic tangent:
Maybe she never was the Frost Moon and if there *was* a Marrow from it, they would quickly realize that she can't hold that either.
If that was the case, I wonder if getting her to the Moon beyond the sky actually would've helped her, or she would've just gotten stranded and continued dying, because it wasn't the correct Moon.
That would also explain why she was "born" in Nod-Krai. Currently the only explanation we got is the characters theorizing that it's because of a lingering connection between Teyvat and the Moon. Which is.. a pretty vague and speculative explanation.
Anyhow, soon we'll know what the actual story Hoyo wrote is. But I think they'll go with a dual Goddess path, where she becomes a god of both. By the rule of cool.
Ria-sama2026-01-09 20:05
I suggest you watch the theory/analysis videos by either [Catwithbluehat](https://youtube.com/@catwithbluehat) or [Minsleif](https://youtube.com/@minsleif). They both explain everything happening in the Archon quests really well while including lore from books.
Euthya2026-01-09 20:12
Will do, thanks!
I do admit, Genshin lore from before the Archons isn't my favorite in general, so I haven't been looking to collect all the facts by myself or go out of my way to know everything. That's why I like to clarify that I can miss details easily in related arguments.
It'll be nice to watch someone else's comprehensive video tho, so I'll do that when I have the time :)
masternieva6662026-01-10 15:28
So youre telling me Dottore is helping Columbina by creating a 4th moon for her.
dennisleonardo2026-01-09 20:40
I mean it is fairly creative to make her reference the moon's ability to excude gravitational forces and create tides.
But they also probably just wouldn't want to make 2 cryo archons back to back.
Euthya2026-01-09 20:49
Yeah, the gravity thing is fun, but that's why they should've switched the names of the Frost and Eternal moon in my opinion. Also, another person (u/Thin_Total5243) here mentioned that the Eternal Moon is the one credited for the tides in Teyvat anyways.
And fair, but now we got 3 hydro """""Archons""""", so at this point...
Furicel2026-01-09 21:54
Well, Kuuvahki has been compared to the primordial sea since its first mention. So the moons, who are the source of all kuuvahki, must have a similar elemental nature to the primordial sea, which is the purest hydro element.
Otherwise, it'd be kinda weird. Having frost=cryo and iridescent=pyro would leave the question of what the fuck is "eternal". It's far easier to chalk them up as just names, not the nature of the moon.
>wouldn't it have made more sense if the Eternal Moon was the one perpetuating its existence with reincarnation?
Could still be, we don't know how the Welkin Moon will be formed, but it'll probably be the Eternal Moon's remains, then it'll be a Moon reincarnating.
Euthya2026-01-09 22:02
Yeah, I get why Hydro makes sense, just the naming is a little irritating for me. It's certainly not something I would bring up while complaining about the story tho. It's not nearly as important, just found this the perfect post to mention this detail.
And what you said is just another reason why I feel it would've been better if we switched the Frost and Eternal Moon completely (only in name). Hydro there would make total sense and we don't actually have to know the elements of other Moons, unless we get characters of them, so I wouldn't mind the Frostmoon just existing.
As for the reincarnation, that sounds like it would be interesting. But I don't write the story, so we'll just have to see.
TheSynthian2026-01-09 23:53
Where was kuuvahki got compared to primordial sea? From what I remember it got compared to phlogiston as an primodial energy source predating elemental energy.
Furicel2026-01-10 01:00
Nod Krai act 1. When Kuuvahki is mentioned, we ask Ineffa if it'sike phlogiston, she answer that according to her databases, another comparison is the primordial sea.
TheSynthian2026-01-10 07:32
Then it’s not really about hydro at all.
Point she tried to make is kuuvahki, phlogiston and primordial sea are primordial sources of energy predating elemental energy. They are similar because they are all pure and ancient, not that they have any direct relation. Like kuuvahki is not directly related to hydro just because primordial sea is.
KazakiriKaoru2026-01-09 21:56
My headcanon is that Columbina is not from the 3 Moons, but her own Moon, The Welkin Moon.
Euthya2026-01-09 22:11
I really like the idea! They have to include the Welkin somehow. Was that always her secret true role or is it something new made to justify her staying in Teyvat?
I replied to u/Ria-sama already with a quick ramble how it could make sense in the story. Of course, it's just a little brainstorm. I do wonder how Hoyo will handle this in the next AQ.
> That would also explain why she was "born" in Nod-Krai. Currently the only explanation we got is the characters theorizing that it's because of a lingering connection between Teyvat and the Moon. Which is.. a pretty vague and speculative explanation.
Kaninkanan2026-01-10 01:02
The other moon is also called eternal, not so eternal is it now?
Euthya2026-01-10 01:38
Exactly xd
Iamliterallyfood2026-01-10 07:15
Moon is connected to water. But also Columbia is only hydron on paper.
Euthya2026-01-10 09:31
I just wish they switched the names of the Frost and Eternal Moon, I guess. More thematically appropriate for both gameplay and lore, I think.
TunaTunaLeeks2026-01-09 19:04
Makes sense. The hydro symbol has three moons in it.
Kaninkanan2026-01-10 00:59
5 if you count the little dots
Rouge_means_red2026-01-10 01:42
The hydro archon is 3 moons in a trench coat
arminismyspirtanimal2026-01-09 19:05
Is it just me who doesnt like bina being put to archon level? Like I think it undermines who she is because in the lore shes above archons! (idk about strength tho) Our moon godess deserves her own role
kingEdward222026-01-09 19:22
She's definitely not above archons , she got destroyed by dottore
arminismyspirtanimal2026-01-09 19:30
Yes because her power is weak, It's been told in the story shes getting weaker everyday. + I said the moon godness in lore are above archons in storywise.
Also we been known top 3 harbingers are as strong if not more than the gods
No-Investment-9622026-01-09 22:02
Capitano is top 3 no? He didn't really struggle all that much against Mavuika if I remember right.
blobfish123812026-01-09 19:31
You're acting like Dottore also isn't above the archons. He's literally on the level of the shades now.
vglisten2026-01-09 22:45
Above shades with the 3 moon's powers
hoyoshill2026-01-09 19:55
She will be stronger than shades after 6.3 🤭, if not equivalent at least.Or it could be the case of growing over time. Because she is the new moon maybe it will take time to gain full strength.
raiciuc2026-01-09 22:10
How can people say that? We have no feats for any of them.
Alpha06Omega092026-01-09 20:45
By next patch shes literally gonna be shades tier or above lol
seansenyu2026-01-09 20:28
Unless she receives a powerup like Neuvillette geting back the hydro authority, she isn't above nor at same level than any archon. Arlecchino gave her moon thing to Columbina and said she was now back to "3rd harbinger level strenght" so its above base Dottore and Capitano. Even then, she gets weaker every day
Alpha06Omega092026-01-09 20:46
Considering she's becoming the welkin moon, yeh we going above shades level for her
vglisten2026-01-09 22:44
She's above average archon level and by a lot. Don't know about Mavuika tho since she has powers and authority beyond just her Pyro archon stuff
No-Investment-9622026-01-09 22:05
I also don't like it, not cause she is ranking above the archons, but because all game we've been told there are 7 archons for each main region. And as far as I'm aware, Columbina isn't treated like an archon by Hoyo, she's treated as a moon goddess.
Outrageous-While-6092026-01-10 05:14
>Columbina isn't treated like an archon by Hoyo
She kinda does. All NK Quest still called **Archon Quest** and all focuses or revolve around her. She also present in the annual Archon birthday photo
omegavolt92026-01-11 04:18
She's as much an archon as Nod Krai is a nation. That is to say, she's not an archon, just like Nod Krai is not a nation. But we all know Nod Krai is basically its own nation even though technically it's not. So by that logic, I'd say Columbina is basically the Lunar archon even though she's technically not. She occupies a comparable authority over a power (Kuuvahki) that the archons do over their elements.
mephyerst2026-01-09 23:31
Yea I dont like it either. I really dont like her being on the archon art either. The archon art is for the 7 and nobody else in my eyes. Bina needs her own place for her.
Raikiri0070072026-01-09 19:08
Furina has never been an "archon"
Edit: furina fans are still coping, i see.
squishlight2026-01-09 20:31
Furina was as much the Archon as the Focalors inside the Oratrice was (each being half), but she is no longer the Archon because she destroyed the Throne.
vglisten2026-01-09 22:47
No. Focalors was the archon. Furina has never been an archon; she didn't die because of the curse Focalors put on her. Focalors and Furina are two separate beings.
squishlight2026-01-09 23:00
Focalors was the Archon, who then split herself into two. The part in the Oratrice was one part of her and Furina was the other. She wasn't a created separate vessel the way the Shogun or the Wanderer is.
Mystic9871232026-01-10 00:18
focalors split herself into 2. One being the divinity and other her human body.
Raikiri0070072026-01-10 00:35
And only the divinity had the elemental throne, hence she is the archon.
No-Investment-9622026-01-09 22:01
None of these guys are the Archon, Furina was simply acting as the archon until focalors died, Neuvillette is the hydro dragon sovereign, and Columbina is Kuutar, a moon god or smth, I forgot her official title in the game.
ECS08042026-01-10 00:32
Tell Hoyo that, who keep putting her in artwork with the other 5 archons lol
The other archons also express she may have loat her divinity but in their eyes she's still an archon (from their about sections of her)
Tirlby2026-01-10 01:23
Zhongli, Paimon, Neuvillette, and Focalors’ divinity herself all state that Furina is Focalors in the game itself.
Zhongli’s voice line about Furina:
> “She made a contract with her own self to save the nation, strictly adhered to it for over five centuries without once wavering, and even fooled the Heavenly Principles in the end... I have great respect for approaches to justice that place exacting demands not only on others, but also on the self. Though her divinity has vanished and the throne of the Archon is no more, Furina will go down in Fontaine's history as a God of Justice worthy of recognition.”
Neuvillette and Focalors’ divinity during the Fontaine Archon Quest:
> **Neuvillette:** So even Furina doesn’t know the truth? You’ve never once let her in on the full plan?”
> **Focalors:** Yes. It had to be done. To deceive the Heavenly Principles, you must first deceive yourself.
Neuvillette and Paimon at the end of the Archon Quest:
> **Neuvillette:** “Yes. All of Focalors’ efforts were for this moment as well.”
> **Paimon:** “But… She sacrificed herself in the end as a god, and she suffered through all those years as a human… Was that really what she wanted?”
> **Neuvillette:** “…I suppose that would be the mystery of a god’s will.”
Neuvillette’s Character Story 4:
> Focalors – or Furina, he should say – had given up her seat in the audience, come onstage alone, and become the heroine of the drama.
Raikiri0070072026-01-10 02:22
She is not the archon, she is just a fake, a stand in actress meant to deceive. The game itself tells you this.
Tirlby2026-01-10 02:32
How about you address the actual quotes I provided *from the game*? The game itself tells you that *they are the same.* If Focalors was the Hydro Archon, then so was Furina.
Raikiri0070072026-01-10 03:16
They are not the same. Focalors was the divinity and memories, while furina the body. Furina is more of the other half of focalors. The quotes you quoted literally says the exact same thing.
That being said, it was the divinity that held the elemental throne, hence held the title of archon. It was her death using oratrice that destroyed the throne.
Furina, who is alive has never held the elemental throne is not an archon and has never been an archon.
You can cope however you want, but all the archons possess the elemental throne. If you want to prove furina was ever the archon, you have to prove she held elemental throne.
Tirlby2026-01-10 03:49
Okay, let’s entertain your argument. So Furina, who you do acknowledge is Focalors’ body, somehow didn’t possess the Hydro Authority at any time despite *being* Focalors before the split?
> **Focalors:** After becoming a god, I separated my divinity from my body and spirit, leaving behind only a self that was as naive and bewildered as my past self on her first day as a human being.”
This states that Focalors *became* a god, *then* separated herself. So even if we do consider them separate *after* the split, the body should have also held the divinity and the Authority at the time *before* the split.
The body had gained divinity, therefore the body had *predated* the divinity’s existence. The only way your theory makes sense is if the divinity only obtained the Hydro Authority *after* splitting herself from her body. We know this isn’t the case, as the complete Focalors had already become a god and the Archon before she split herself.
I will admit that there is no “hard proof” that Furina held the Throne after the split, but that also applies to most of the other Archons. The Thrones are not exactly tangible nor is there any sort of divine requirement to hold them. We basically have to assume they hold them because they are Archons.
Logically, Furina being Focalors’ body means she would have also held possession of the Hydro Throne, but she may not have been able to *use* it, much like when Mavuika got entirely depowered in the Natlan Archon Quest for a while. Did Mavuika stop being the Pyro Archon during that time?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but we have not been given a method to actually tell whether a character holds a Throne or not, especially now that we know that having a Gnosis and having divinity are not requirements to be an Archon. We can only assume it is the case due to their Archon or Sovereign status except in Neuvillette’s case, since he was able to perform a feat that required the full Hydro Authority.
Raikiri0070072026-01-10 04:31
Furina as we know her was born after the split. So what happened before doesn't matter. After the split they are two different entities. Previously being the body of an archon doesn't matter. Shogun puppet was built using Ei's original body as material, yet she is not the archon. Ei is, even without a body, she holds the electro throne hence she is the archon. The same thing applies to focalors.
Tirlby2026-01-10 04:49
Furina was not “born” through the split, it’s more like she got amnesia. The Shogun is a completely different case as she was actually created rather than being the original body. But even then, Ei herself still acknowledges the Shogun as one of her forms of existence.
> **Paimon:** Hey, that’s right. Do you think the Shogun counts as you?
> **Ei:** Of course I do. It was never my intention to place control of Inazuma into anybody else’s hands.
> **Ei:** I am me. There is only one of me, but I can exist in many different forms. It’s not important what form I exist in.
> **Ei:** The Shogun, for example, is one of my forms of existence. The question of whether or not she is me is not determined by any of her components.
This is similar to how Focalors also refers to Furina as herself. This concept isn’t new to Genshin either; other examples of a single entity split into multiple aspects while still being “one” include Azhdaha and Och-Kan/Cocouik.
Raikiri0070072026-01-10 05:01
>Furina was not “born” through the split, it’s more like she got amnesia.
It's the same thing. Focalors took away her memories and divinity, hence creating a blank slate known as furina.
>The Shogun is a completely different case as she was actually created rather than being the original body
The shogun is built with Ei's body as material. If the physical body had any connection to actually being an archon then the same would apply here.
>But even then, Ei herself still acknowledges the Shogun as one of her forms of existence.
Of course, shogun was built to act as her. That doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.
>This is similar to how Focalors also refers to Furina as herself.
Yup. Ei and shogun mirror focalors and furina a lot.
Ei the real archon, shogun the stand in.
Focalors (divinity) the real archon, furina the stand in.
Tirlby2026-01-10 05:21
The body had been there before the divinity ever existed. It cannot be “born” after the divinity.
Can you tell me where exactly it is stated that Ei’s original body was used as the material for the Shogun? As far as I know it was probably created using branches of Irminsul just like Wanderer’s body, which was only revealed in Durin’s story quest.
If you use this logic of the divinity being separate, then would all of the Archons be only “half” Archons except Mavuika who is somehow able to be an Archon despite not having divinity? The whole person should be the Archon, not just one aspect of them.
Also going to bring up Zhongli’s voice line about Furina again. If she isn’t Focalors, then why is she stated to have formed a contract with “her own self” and why is it stated that “her divinity has vanished”?
> “She made a contract with her own self to save the nation, strictly adhered to it for over five centuries without once wavering, and even fooled the Heavenly Principles in the end... I have great respect for approaches to justice that place exacting demands not only on others, but also on the self. Though her divinity has vanished and the throne of the Archon is no more, Furina will go down in Fontaine's history as a God of Justice worthy of recognition.”
Then-Network-68612026-01-09 19:19
Not to mention they also have my GOAT (Ajax Tartaglia)
Murky_Blueberry26172026-01-10 03:29
The best Hydro fr
Seraphiine__2026-01-09 19:40
Also it seems to be Hoyo's favourite accent colour
Tripdrakony2026-01-09 20:01
Hydro is hoyo's favorite element and blue their favourite colour.
Shahadem2026-01-09 20:16
Neuvilette is not an archon.
Furina was a quasi archon because she was made from a piece of the archon.
kidanokun2026-01-09 21:17
Probably Columbina takes over as the "Hydro Archon" by proxy since the real Hydro Archon is dead, the throne is destroyed, the "Hydro Archon" is just a regular human, and the one who currently holds the Hydro Authority hates Archons
No-Investment-9622026-01-09 22:07
She is not an Archon, she's a moon goddess, not only have there only ever been 7 archons, making Columbina an archon kinda goes against the fact that she just wants to be able to hang out with people and be treated normally.
kidanokun2026-01-09 22:16
actually, that's one of my suspicion about Morax, like he doesn't want to be looked up anymore and choose to mingle with humans, and kind of "stepped down" as the Geo Archon...
but he doesn't drop the Geo Authority and pass it to a successor... why? Because he can't, the Authority is his to begin with
Catch_0222026-01-09 21:40
Just finished the Furina quest, did the marketing call her the hydro archon?
Rouge_means_red2026-01-10 01:40
Before the last act of the AQ, sure, she's constantly refered to as the hydro archon. She was released at the same time as the final part of the AQ but the trailer just treated her as a celebrity. Though her official release information does not list her as having a gnosis (it just says Element: Hydro), unlike other archons
Catch_0222026-01-10 11:01
Ah thanks, makes sense considering the questline.
GnixXIII2026-01-09 21:57
I really do wonder if this was the plan all along, because specifically making it canonically certain that we would never have a "true" Hydro Archon in game was always such a strange move to me (beautiful storytelling as it was). *Especially* in a game so obsessed with keeping up its patterns for both game and marketing reasons.
But when Columbina was revealed to be the Archon-equivalent of a nation who was also Hydro, it seemed to click for me.
RogerRavvit882026-01-09 22:15
The power of water is its ability to take any shape
VaultOfTheSix2026-01-09 22:38
A fool who trespasses upon the waters of Qingce?
Mortwight2026-01-09 23:10
I just realized she isn't cyro
Celidar2026-01-09 23:11
Columbia never was an Archon. If I have to put her into a drawer I would put her with the other harbingers.
Rouge_means_red2026-01-10 01:41
Personally I'd classify Columbia as a capital city
Celidar2026-01-10 18:24
CURSE YOU AUTOCORRECT! CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURSE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU🤬
Careless_Actuary36142026-01-09 23:19
hydro is life hydro is love
Natural_Ad15302026-01-09 23:39
2 archons and neither is one 😆
tbonehavoc2026-01-10 04:08
Hydro SUPREMACY
bob_is_best2026-01-10 04:34
Anything but an actual archon, oh focalors the character you would have been
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I saw it myself, rex lapis was assassinated at the right of descenion.
Physical is dead, buried and its grave is danced upon
Well duh it doesn't even have an archon smh
(I mention the writers cause while Freminet's mental illness themed event story wasn't my favourite in terms of story flow or gameplay, but I enjoyed and appreciated the thoughtful representation of mental illness.)
Daughter of istaroth
Not only does it deal damage, but it also creates unbreakable Geo constructs.
all skins blue💀
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Pyro 5
Hydro 5
Cryo 4
Electro 3
You know what, its actually the same.
Also, wouldn't it have made more sense if the Eternal Moon was the one perpetuating its existence with reincarnation? Regardless of lore ofc
Another reason why I think Eternal Moon would've sounded better imo. No issue with that being hydro.
Guess Eternalmoon Scions doesn't sound as good lol (Scions of the Eternal Moon tho? Hmm)
They say it themselves on the web event WITH the visual of sea rising onto land.
r/brandnewsentence
She's still the reincarnation or has SOME closer connection to the Frost Moon, hence why she couldn't hold the other Marrows and the Frost Marrow doesn't exist (cause it's the one not broken.)
Correct me if I'm wrong or missed something tho. I'm forgetful ':)
Theory/Fanfic tangent:
Maybe she never was the Frost Moon and if there *was* a Marrow from it, they would quickly realize that she can't hold that either.
If that was the case, I wonder if getting her to the Moon beyond the sky actually would've helped her, or she would've just gotten stranded and continued dying, because it wasn't the correct Moon.
That would also explain why she was "born" in Nod-Krai. Currently the only explanation we got is the characters theorizing that it's because of a lingering connection between Teyvat and the Moon. Which is.. a pretty vague and speculative explanation.
Anyhow, soon we'll know what the actual story Hoyo wrote is. But I think they'll go with a dual Goddess path, where she becomes a god of both. By the rule of cool.
I do admit, Genshin lore from before the Archons isn't my favorite in general, so I haven't been looking to collect all the facts by myself or go out of my way to know everything. That's why I like to clarify that I can miss details easily in related arguments.
It'll be nice to watch someone else's comprehensive video tho, so I'll do that when I have the time :)
But they also probably just wouldn't want to make 2 cryo archons back to back.
And fair, but now we got 3 hydro """""Archons""""", so at this point...
Otherwise, it'd be kinda weird. Having frost=cryo and iridescent=pyro would leave the question of what the fuck is "eternal". It's far easier to chalk them up as just names, not the nature of the moon.
>wouldn't it have made more sense if the Eternal Moon was the one perpetuating its existence with reincarnation?
Could still be, we don't know how the Welkin Moon will be formed, but it'll probably be the Eternal Moon's remains, then it'll be a Moon reincarnating.
And what you said is just another reason why I feel it would've been better if we switched the Frost and Eternal Moon completely (only in name). Hydro there would make total sense and we don't actually have to know the elements of other Moons, unless we get characters of them, so I wouldn't mind the Frostmoon just existing.
As for the reincarnation, that sounds like it would be interesting. But I don't write the story, so we'll just have to see.
Point she tried to make is kuuvahki, phlogiston and primordial sea are primordial sources of energy predating elemental energy. They are similar because they are all pure and ancient, not that they have any direct relation. Like kuuvahki is not directly related to hydro just because primordial sea is.
I replied to u/Ria-sama already with a quick ramble how it could make sense in the story. Of course, it's just a little brainstorm. I do wonder how Hoyo will handle this in the next AQ.
> That would also explain why she was "born" in Nod-Krai. Currently the only explanation we got is the characters theorizing that it's because of a lingering connection between Teyvat and the Moon. Which is.. a pretty vague and speculative explanation.
Also we been known top 3 harbingers are as strong if not more than the gods
She kinda does. All NK Quest still called **Archon Quest** and all focuses or revolve around her. She also present in the annual Archon birthday photo
Edit: furina fans are still coping, i see.
The other archons also express she may have loat her divinity but in their eyes she's still an archon (from their about sections of her)
Zhongli’s voice line about Furina:
> “She made a contract with her own self to save the nation, strictly adhered to it for over five centuries without once wavering, and even fooled the Heavenly Principles in the end... I have great respect for approaches to justice that place exacting demands not only on others, but also on the self. Though her divinity has vanished and the throne of the Archon is no more, Furina will go down in Fontaine's history as a God of Justice worthy of recognition.”
Neuvillette and Focalors’ divinity during the Fontaine Archon Quest:
> **Neuvillette:** So even Furina doesn’t know the truth? You’ve never once let her in on the full plan?”
> **Focalors:** Yes. It had to be done. To deceive the Heavenly Principles, you must first deceive yourself.
Neuvillette and Paimon at the end of the Archon Quest:
> **Neuvillette:** “Yes. All of Focalors’ efforts were for this moment as well.”
> **Paimon:** “But… She sacrificed herself in the end as a god, and she suffered through all those years as a human… Was that really what she wanted?”
> **Neuvillette:** “…I suppose that would be the mystery of a god’s will.”
Neuvillette’s Character Story 4:
> Focalors – or Furina, he should say – had given up her seat in the audience, come onstage alone, and become the heroine of the drama.
That being said, it was the divinity that held the elemental throne, hence held the title of archon. It was her death using oratrice that destroyed the throne.
Furina, who is alive has never held the elemental throne is not an archon and has never been an archon.
You can cope however you want, but all the archons possess the elemental throne. If you want to prove furina was ever the archon, you have to prove she held elemental throne.
> **Focalors:** After becoming a god, I separated my divinity from my body and spirit, leaving behind only a self that was as naive and bewildered as my past self on her first day as a human being.”
This states that Focalors *became* a god, *then* separated herself. So even if we do consider them separate *after* the split, the body should have also held the divinity and the Authority at the time *before* the split.
The body had gained divinity, therefore the body had *predated* the divinity’s existence. The only way your theory makes sense is if the divinity only obtained the Hydro Authority *after* splitting herself from her body. We know this isn’t the case, as the complete Focalors had already become a god and the Archon before she split herself.
I will admit that there is no “hard proof” that Furina held the Throne after the split, but that also applies to most of the other Archons. The Thrones are not exactly tangible nor is there any sort of divine requirement to hold them. We basically have to assume they hold them because they are Archons.
Logically, Furina being Focalors’ body means she would have also held possession of the Hydro Throne, but she may not have been able to *use* it, much like when Mavuika got entirely depowered in the Natlan Archon Quest for a while. Did Mavuika stop being the Pyro Archon during that time?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but we have not been given a method to actually tell whether a character holds a Throne or not, especially now that we know that having a Gnosis and having divinity are not requirements to be an Archon. We can only assume it is the case due to their Archon or Sovereign status except in Neuvillette’s case, since he was able to perform a feat that required the full Hydro Authority.
> **Paimon:** Hey, that’s right. Do you think the Shogun counts as you?
> **Ei:** Of course I do. It was never my intention to place control of Inazuma into anybody else’s hands.
> **Ei:** I am me. There is only one of me, but I can exist in many different forms. It’s not important what form I exist in.
> **Ei:** The Shogun, for example, is one of my forms of existence. The question of whether or not she is me is not determined by any of her components.
This is similar to how Focalors also refers to Furina as herself. This concept isn’t new to Genshin either; other examples of a single entity split into multiple aspects while still being “one” include Azhdaha and Och-Kan/Cocouik.
It's the same thing. Focalors took away her memories and divinity, hence creating a blank slate known as furina.
>The Shogun is a completely different case as she was actually created rather than being the original body
The shogun is built with Ei's body as material. If the physical body had any connection to actually being an archon then the same would apply here.
>But even then, Ei herself still acknowledges the Shogun as one of her forms of existence.
Of course, shogun was built to act as her. That doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.
>This is similar to how Focalors also refers to Furina as herself.
Yup. Ei and shogun mirror focalors and furina a lot.
Ei the real archon, shogun the stand in.
Focalors (divinity) the real archon, furina the stand in.
Can you tell me where exactly it is stated that Ei’s original body was used as the material for the Shogun? As far as I know it was probably created using branches of Irminsul just like Wanderer’s body, which was only revealed in Durin’s story quest.
If you use this logic of the divinity being separate, then would all of the Archons be only “half” Archons except Mavuika who is somehow able to be an Archon despite not having divinity? The whole person should be the Archon, not just one aspect of them.
Also going to bring up Zhongli’s voice line about Furina again. If she isn’t Focalors, then why is she stated to have formed a contract with “her own self” and why is it stated that “her divinity has vanished”?
> “She made a contract with her own self to save the nation, strictly adhered to it for over five centuries without once wavering, and even fooled the Heavenly Principles in the end... I have great respect for approaches to justice that place exacting demands not only on others, but also on the self. Though her divinity has vanished and the throne of the Archon is no more, Furina will go down in Fontaine's history as a God of Justice worthy of recognition.”
Furina was a quasi archon because she was made from a piece of the archon.
but he doesn't drop the Geo Authority and pass it to a successor... why? Because he can't, the Authority is his to begin with
But when Columbina was revealed to be the Archon-equivalent of a nation who was also Hydro, it seemed to click for me.