How do you think Nod-Krai will handle Anemo/Pyro/Cryo and Hydro 5 stars in the future?

Pyro might be favored in a Varka (and Nicole/Durin) team, but otherwise I think anything new with those are being saved for the Snezhnaya shill mechanic.

I think Lunar/NK is going straight to the rear view mirror after Snez.

They’re probably just done with Nod-Krai characters after this patch. Everyone else in Luna will come from somewhere else.

It would probably just be a character that gives you ascendant moon so you don’t need 2 characters and allow usuals of normal characters.

They won't. Pyro and Cryo are out of the question because they are amplifying reactions, not transformative like Bloom, Electro-Charge, and Crystallize. Hoyo has already shown Lunar-Swirl is not in the Lunar plans.

The reactions that Lunar characters boost also happen to be reactions that perform way worse than other reactions. Electro Charged has never been as good as Melt or Vaporize or even Overload (though that one is also typically weaker than Melt or Vaporize by my understanding). Bloom has never been that good either, compared to Aggravate. And Crystallize is easily the worst of all the reactions in the game.

So the other reactions aren't really missing out on much. They're already set to match or beat Lunar reactions, all they need is characters that deal higher base damage if they don't keep up already (they probably do because Mavuika and Neuvillette).

Swirl is a minor exception, it's not particularly powerful compared to other reactions, but because of Viridescent Venerer and passive support effects on characters like Kazuha and Sucrose, it remains one of the most used elements just for its support value.

Basically, Nod Krai is a crutch for bad reactions, and good reactions don't need gimmick characters dedicated to them to do a good job like the reactions that Lunar is based on do.

I suspect Schneznaya will give us someone or something to really help Freeze and Superconduct, because Freeze has fallen behind and Superconduct died with Physical damage.

Superconduct is the biggest loser right now

I think they just wouldn't make a Nod-Krai 5-star who's cryo or interacts with cryo, to avoid conflicts with 7.x.

I don't think we're getting any other Lunar reactions aside from the existing three, so my honest opinion is that we never get a Lunar-related pyro or hydro character. A hydro would compete with Columbina, or it would be a specific support for a single lunar reaction (at which point, why hydro?). Anemo might be doable as a support slot, to kick Sucrose out of teams.

Those who say that pyro cannot become a lunar reaction because it's too strong are fools.

The strength of lunar reactions is just being able to deal with NK mechanics. The reactions by themselves only help making the NK characters' kits work, but they are nothing too different from normal reactions otherwise. This means that if they want to create a pyro NK character, they can simply balance lunar vape in order to fit those standards and call it a day.

Tbh the most obvious hint that such reaction will eventually be released is the existence of Arlecchino. The NK characters can use lunar reactions because NK is a land rich in Kuuvaki, the power of the moons, and guess who is the released character as of now who has the closest connection to the moons?

I'm fully expecting that before the end of NK we'll get an update of Arlecchino's kit description to fit lunar damage just like they did for all the other kits so far with the introduction of new reactions.

Yes but isnt this not unusual?. I would consider Sara and Faruzan to be very specific to their team and their C6 is a huge deal. 


Sucrose/Venti C1, Durin, Bina, Ineffa pyro/hydro/electro swirl

That team is bananas already we already have the new "Lunar National"

I dont know about restrictions i just put Lauma and Ineffa or Lauma by herself, or Ineffa by herself good things happen

Nah, those elements are treated by the Mondstadt Hexerei characters, starts from Durin and the character buffs. Probably some brand new char from Mondstadt later from the silhouette, Nicole etc.

>They have three (or four) moons and three reactions to match. 4 elements are involved out of the 7. What of the other 3?

They won't get lunar reactions.

A pyro 5 star will be a traditional pyro character, like Durin. Same with the other elements.

We're not expecting lunar swirl or freeze. Probably not vape because it would be too powerful.

>So what if they wanna make a Pyro Nod-Krai unit that's a 5 star? Will it be like the first few nations, where there is nothing extra to them?

Yes.

>Or what if it's a Hydro 5 star? That would enable all, and that's Columbina's specialty. Will they just not release such characters at all?

There aren't that many NK characters left to come. Maybe none of them are hydro. The Luna patch series has characters that are not all from NK. Varka and Durin aren't. Alice and Nicole probably aren't. Zibai is from Liyue.

Wheoevr told you 4 stars aren't incentives must be a goddam liar because apart from jahoda, many of the recent four stars going back to even 4.x were all good.

Either by having decent over world abilities or decent enough that really helped them out.

Varka is anemo. But he probably won't be lunar. Pyro just doesn't seem to be in their plans for it either and also just doesn't need the help. Hydro will probably just be a non lunar unit to not step on the lunar goddesses toes. And cryo would probably be the true bis fourth option for a skirk team

Lunar shilling is over with Columbina. Maybe one more character later on, but that's it. Hexerei is the next big thing of 6.x.

Lunar reactions are purely gameplay elements. They're not tied to lore, they're tied to "what are reactions that are so underused we need to find a way to buff them, and moon powers sounds like a good opportunity". The only "in lore"/topical aspect is being related to hydro because gravity and tides and all that.

Crystalize was possibly the worst elemental reaction (only topped by shatter), and because it had a hydro variant, they could make it a Lunar variant. Electrocharged, same deal, underutilized, so Lunar Charged was a fresh spin on it to make it relevant again. Bloom fell out of meta over the past 2 years mainly because it was a purely "supportive" reaction without a proper DPS using it, so Nefer came out to spice things up. That's as deep as it goes. So for the future of Lunar stuff, you really need to think about it from a meta way: what reactions are both hydro-related and so out of meta it's about time to make them relevant again. And the answer is: none, really.

- vape is meta, there has been multiple characters released over the past year to keep it relevant.
- freeze is meta thanks to Escoffier
- swirl is not really used as much these days, but Varka is coming next patch, so in all likelihood if Swirl is to be made interesting again it will be through him and Hexerei teams, not Lunar reactions

As for non-hydro reactions, most of them have either received some kind of help in recent years (overload has meta teams that work with it for example). Superconduct and Shatter are the main "forgotten" ones. I could see cryo-based reactions gaining some relevance in Snezhnaya or maybe with the Fae faction, but I don't think it would necessarily fit into the Lunar meta.

TLDR: I think we reached the end of Lunar stuff, other "in need of help" reactions will be made relevant again the same way we're used to, with new characters that have a kit relying on it specifically. Varka for Swirl, probly Snezhnaya characters for cryo reactions, and Vape/Freeze/Overload are not in need of help right now.