I wish Columbina's kit was done in a similar way to Furina's

I am not saying they should have similar kit and gameplay, but more in the sense of influence to the meta.

When Furina released, she obviously synergized well with other Fontaine chars. However, she also synergized with many older characters. As a Noelle main, I was having a blast after Furina released.

Columbina however makes already strong Nod Krai characters even stronger, while older characters aren't given much unless wheelchaired, and it still doesn't feel right.

Sure, let's say Ineffa-Columbina is Ayato's best team (idk if it is, but I would expect so?) Ayato isn't buffing the off-fielders, Ineffa and Columbina aren't buffing Ayato. Only thing happening is two off-fielders outdamaging the onfielder with only "synergy" being that Ayato doesn't interfere with reactions. Its the same as when people said: "X character's best team is Mavuika-Bennet-Citlali" That is not X Character team, it is Mavuika team.

I dislike powercreep, but that is not even the main issue here. Furina herself is extremely strong, but at least she didn't discriminate. Columbina however makes rich even richer, while the rest are starving.

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Clades_Candor2026-01-10 11:37

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HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-10 11:40

She was not hard locked to Jean/Xianyun at all

Charlotte, xilonen, any team wide healer. And then at c6 is her own healer

Clades_Candor2026-01-10 11:41

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Sad-Bowl-83742026-01-10 11:52

Baizhu works well with Furina

Clades_Candor2026-01-10 12:03

I wouldn't know, i think limited 5* healers are a waste unless they provide a gimmick like xianyun.

HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-10 11:53

Never said she was, that is why there is a comment separating those. But xilonen is one of her most used teammates, hell people use Bennett with her.

Charlotte is a good unit, just because you don't use her. And her c6 was just an additional point. Her kit is still great even without that.

But you're right we should all be like columbina!

"The Most versatile sub-dps in the same, as long as you have ineffa. Or Lauma, or illuga"

Columbina's kit is the definition of restrictive and niche.

Clades_Candor2026-01-10 12:06

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HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-10 12:13

Lol literally every columbina team that is going to be worth a damn is just "columbina + ineffa/Lauma/illuga"

So much so that even the devs know it, that's why they are putting columbina and Ineffa together. That's why every theory crafter since her beta has been said "columbina + ineffa basically wheelchairs any team and older units"

Lol but yeah sure, so diverse.

Clades_Candor2026-01-10 12:23

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HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-10 12:31

Lmao yup, that's it, only anemo has healers. Every furina team had an anemo. Again, you didn't even need a team wide healer, as other comments have pointed out, for furina.

You're purposely either just dense or actually stupid if you think that was the case.

Clades_Candor2026-01-10 12:35

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HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-10 12:37

The only one being disingenuous is you.

LeKebabGeek2026-01-10 12:08

Furina wasn't hard locked to jean/xianyun. While it's true teamwide healers stack fanfare more efficiently regular healers could be better if they add more value besides healing. Also there are a lot more teamwide healers than those 2 you mentioned (baizhu, charlotte, mika, sayu, sigewinne, kokomi, noelle, barbara) and proto amber can also help single target healers sustain fanfare better. Finally furina quickbloom was among the best options for alhaitham/tighnari/cyno teams.

newplayer1352026-01-10 13:26

That is not true. Some of Furina's most popular teams at low cons used Bennett and Kuki, whose single target healing already gave quite a tremendous boost - in fact, Ayaka/Furina/Kuki/Nahida at C0R0 was capable of clearing Fearless SO SSA which was a crazy obstacle for a lot of players, and it was the cheapest pre-fontaine team by far to be able to clear that, the key idea being to swap characters around to use Kuki to boost fanfare. You also had characters like Baizhu (quickbloom), Charlotte (freeze), Kokomi (bloom DPS hybrid teams), etc. who all could run Furina.

Jean on Furina teams amongst hardcore players was widely regarded as a noob trap since it works on paper, but Jean is often pretty underwhelming, since she is quite a lot worse than other VV supports. Furina/Bennett or Kuki as mentioned before was way more popular. I never once saw a Jean/Furina speedrun because the clear times were so underwhelming.

But that's beside the point - Furina synergizes with older characters much better than Columbina will. The latter doesn't want anything to do with old units, but the Inefa/Lauma core is so strong that you can just slot in random characters that have no synergy and it will still do a ton of damage.

Case in point, Fischl/Sucrose/Columbina/Inefa at 2 cost was already shown to clear all 3 upcoming SO bosses at Fearless. There is no onfielder on that team. You could slot in almost anyone and have them be carried like that.

z0kuuu2026-01-10 11:49

Doesn't like Columbina enable Lunar Reactions to everyone even if they don't have kits for it? If anything doesn't she wheelchair everyone into becoming usable against all enemies that go down faster with Lunar Reactions?

Much like how Furina enables MH for everyone, Columbina pretty much enables all LR to non-NK units. If anything, she's how I wished Mavuika ended up with enabling Night Soul for everyone outside of Natlan (and a portable phlogiston battery for Natlanese but that's a whole can of worms I don't wanna open up)

Namiko-Yuki2026-01-10 11:56

Yea, You can see dhcwsp f2p to whale Columbina team tests.
Even with C0R0 Columbina in a team of Fischl, Sucrose and Jahoda, the LC damage is 50K and 130K procs

For me I am most excited about Chiori, Chiori + Columbina is basically activating Chiori C1 for free.

So many good teams I can think of running with Bina that I cant wait to try out with how Bina enables the lunar stuff on older characters. Mizuki + Bina + Ororon + Chiori could be so fun too.

HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-10 12:00

Lunar reactions by themselves arent that good, so her enabling navia or Raiden to do them isn't that big of a deal. Plus you'd need a 2nd nod krai character for the buff.

Columbina is basically always going to be paired with ineffa, Lauma at this point. She is way more restrictive than furina or those that came before her.

Namiko-Yuki2026-01-10 12:02

That's only to make the teams meta competitive levels.
That is like saying Escoffier ONLY works in a Skirk team since the Escoffier + Ayaka team is not Stier even though it can still also clear SO fearless.

there is a massive gap between meta top tier and teams that cant clear endgame content no matter what. and to place every team that is not meta top tier into the "useless" category is so disingenuous.

HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-10 12:09

That isn't the same at all, escoffier brought all cryo and freeze teams up to a much better level. But escoffier doesn't enable an entire reaction and isn't locked to being used with at least another unit from her region.

Also, I never said "useless" so not sure who you're pretending to quote there. Your entire second paragraph is made up shit I never said.

Namiko-Yuki2026-01-10 12:21

Pretending like Lunar is bad without NK characters when Bina entire kit is to enhance those reactions. So your argument of "lunar reactions by themselves are bad" completely disregards Bina burst and kit and comes off as disingenuous. She gives lunar reaction boosts to the characters that DONT have it in their kits, making the reactions not useless.

[https://youtu.be/G9Du1ANKjTM](https://youtu.be/G9Du1ANKjTM)

That's a basic ass C0R0 Bina team with Fischl, Sucrose and Jahoda. will you say those LC damage is way too low to matter since Ineffa isn't in the team?
Mind you that's even a team without Aino or Illuga meaning that you can run that Bina team while still running your usual Flins or Nefer teams.

This entire disingenuous argument people make that unless a team does Mavuika level DPS, the team is useless and not worth. like OMG self report even further about skill issue.

HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-10 12:30

No one is pretending. They are bad and weak by themselves.

Jahoda....a 2nd nod krai character....completely disregarding my entire point about always having to be saddled with a 2nd nod krai character lol

Dude I don't even like Mavuika, so again just saying irrelevant shit.

Namiko-Yuki2026-01-10 12:40

NO you explicitly said Columbina will ONLY be used along side Ineffa or Lauma, pretending like the team will suddenly be unusable unless you run Bina + Ineffa or Lauma.

Everyone at this point knows Bina + Ineffa will be the top wheelchair comp you can slap any other two characters into to be meta tier. That doesn't mean lunar teams without those two are not also going to do well.

Your argument can also be used for Furina, that she always has to be saddled by a healer by your logic cause you will disregard Furina personal damage.

I have cleared SO fearless and abyss multiple times using Furina + Arle, even tho it completely makes Furina burst useless Furina off-field damage still makes her an insanely good character.
Same as how Columbina hydro application and off field damage makes her a decent character, she will be best with a second NK character but she wont be useless without one either and that NK character can be Jahoda or Illuga NOT just Lauma or Ineffa.

jotarD42026-01-10 12:01

lunar reactions aren't good by themselves

Single_Rabbit_95752026-01-10 11:57

tartaglia vs neuvillette: electric boogaloo: new millennium: 2049: 2077: S12E184: remastered: remake: director's cut: DLC crossover x collab.

SquishyBruiser2026-01-10 12:13

>Noelle main

>Columbina however makes rich even richer, while the rest are starving

As a Geo main, I couldn't disagree with you any harder. Geo was pretty much shit and carried by multipliers alone. The Geo construct gimmick didn't work against bosses because they would just touch the construct and it would disappear, nor did Crystallize do anything for anybody besides Navia, who used them as ammo. (You could make the argument that you could not bring a shielder to the Primo Geovishap boss and just rely on Crystallize Shards for the shielding gimmick, but come on)

Columbina will actually allow me to use my Chiori effectively and my Noelle, who I pulled Stonethresher for, will be able to dish out a bunch of Lunar-Crystallize damage due to every single basic attack in her ult counting as 1 instance of geo application. EM on Geo units is not going to be a dead stat anymore either, because of Columbina.

Namiko-Yuki2026-01-10 12:42

I cant wait to use Chiori again, I was hoping she would be in that temper thyself event think hopefully next year for that C1. but with Bina we basically get that C1 for free running them together, its soo good.

Hojuma2026-01-10 17:46

I'm not a fan of geo but I am a fan of geo construct mechanics, specially with Zhongli's pillar resonance. I tried so hard making Zhongli+geoMC microwave work on his release but his numbers just weren't enough (still weren't enough after his buffs). Then I realized how fcked constructs are when a slight nudge from bosses can disintegrate them. They can't even be used in the Rhodeia fight. I'm still waiting for the day when Hoyo decides to do something with geo constructs. Chiori doesn't count as she doesn't really interact with the constructs, it just adds another doll.

I do like Noelle and Ningguang's kits though. Kinda excited to use them with Columbina as Noelle's lack of ICD on infused NAs/CAs and Ningguang's star jades add extra hits could probably be good for lunar-crystallize.

newplayer1352026-01-10 13:36

I don't use wheelchair very often, but you could replace Ayato on that team with Barbara, Dahlia, Childe, whoever and it would barely make a difference. Of course it will be Ayato's "best team" on release, and you will see youtube abyss runs where they call it an Ayato team, have Ayato's picture on the thumbnail, and he gets completely carried by a core that could clear just fine without him ever being onfielded once.