Why do u think Hoyoverse makes it such a hassle to change the traveler's element, instead of adding something simple like this?

Stop asking too much from the small indie company hoyoverse

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It's not to do about lore either (like some character kits in the recent dev thing they did) Cannonily they can switch elements in whim.. I'm not saying let us do it in combat but a option in the menu would be such a QOL

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Not high on the priority list, because traveler isn't used enough for people (and in turn developers) to care

I don't even know anymore tbh. Most QOL changes take a hot minute for Hoyo so I do have \*some\* faith it'll arrive, though I do wish it was there to begin with. Reason isn't even canon related anymore since we've had if I'm not mistaken, 3 instances of Traveler changing elements on screen before (the scene with Kachina, Navia, then the first being in the Childe fight)


The day we get this change is the day I'll never lose a 50/50 again

I would have said because of lore, but in story Traveller can use any element whenever he wants so...

I don't know.

I think they don't want us to have fun with traveller. They want us to play the new characters and that's it.

It took them 5 years to give a good kit to traveller and buff it, give a skin.

100% agreed.

If Traveler could freely switch elements in combat.

That would make him insanely broken.

Even with shit stats and bad base kite. A 1 in all every element traveler would mean the team reactions are going to go crazy. Not including the other characters that help form a team

Dunno

prob when he gets all elements

I think it was initially because the way Genshin was made it was difficult (different Traveler elements are technically different characters). They definitely could do it now and I think they will but are holding off until we have all the elements.

teleporting to the statue adds a little bit more flavour to it in my opinion. I don't mind wasting a minute for it, it's a little fun to me. especially because I don't switch him that frequently

Because they are hording those Qols as if they give us some of them then world will end or something, I hate that because on those dev streams they talk some bullshit about evolving and getting better but still not give us what we need/want 

Probably to avoid cluttering the character menu UI and adding a new UI group, among other things. It’s also the case that withholding certain low-priority QoL features benefits the game’s long-term engagement by allowing the developers (and management) to adjust how “generous” the game is perceived as being to funnel low-interest players into another one of Hoyo’s other portfolio games.

EDIT: The enshittification section of TLMoonBear’s blog post about Hoyo’s monetization is a relevant read: https://moonbearmusings.com/lets-talk-about-how-mihoyos-monetization-works/

Immersion. Pray to the statue you heathen.

Possible they don’t prioritize making it easier so players have less reason to field traveler and therefore more reason to pull for characters.

If I had to guess it's probably one of the many QoL changes that they'll implement once in a blue moon, they purposefully do these slowly to drip feed

There's a lot of QoL things they're lacking. When i started playing Wuthering Waves i realized how much better their qol stuff is. Especially being able to climb and travel fast

Because the game must be programmed like shit. Making a change like this could break things elsewhere

One of the reasons why Miliastra also feels so limited

At this point your guess is as good as mine.

Like others said its not for lore reasons. And i cant think of any reason why they would need the traveler to be at the statue of sevens, besides maybe some minor bugs which they can easily fix.

It has also been a LONG time, it is weird they haven't implemented this, especially with traveler's new skin and buff coming next patch

They already did this in HSR with loadouts too

A lot of silly decisions Hoyo makes is because of their obsession of making everything lore accurate. This, I **don't** think is one of them. This is probably a relic of Genshin's initial lower scope, back before they knew Genshin would release at the perfect time to make a bajillion dollars.

I'd guess they didn't expect Traveler to be popular enough that people would actually want to play them? I mean, their statline... has room for improvement, let's just say.

i feel like the game has a lot of systems that added flavour to it with the way they work on release but now feel archaic and tedious - swapping elements being one of them. and they never change it because they just forgor about it being so tedious. it's like when you add tangerines to your christmas deco, then forget about them until they just grow moldy (no one does that but works for the analogy ig)

or, more likely, they really are just lazy/hoarding qols

Yet another thing Star Rail does in a much simpler way. Even though Genshin is my main game, and will continue to be, Star Rail has so many more QoL features that really need to be in Genshin.

It would be nice, but I assume it would either be tricky to engineer because of the way their UI is designed, or it would just be tricky to do it in a way that you couldn't break something by trying to swap elements at the "wrong" time.

It would be nice though.

So you can spend exactly half a minute teleporting to SoS and back

you can't even switch element at a statue when traveler is in the party but not the active character and/or when one of the manekins is the active character. always trips me up

My guess is it's a bunch of spaghetti code and trying to untangle that would probably break a bunch of essential things and the manpower is better used on more recent/upcoming stuff. I'd love to be wrong though, since I regularly use Traveler for my overworld, domains and weekly bosses and having to go to a statue anytime I want to switch is a massive hassle

One thing i noticed is that Hoyo, for whatever reason they have, don't seen to like to "delete" certain things from Genshin in order to a better option to be added, it feels to me that they don't want what they did years ago to "go to waste", maybe that's why they never added a easy way to change elements cause as soon you do that people will never "talk" to the waypoints again unless is for update the statue.

I obviously could be entirely wrong here, but is just my hypothesis, at first i though it was a lore reason and Hoyo cares to make everything inside of Genshin to be inside lore but then Teaveler uses their elements all at once in cutscenes, so... Why? I have no clue at all.

Nah they are more than capable of doing this. They already have it with HSR's MCs. In fact, may I add what they did with HSR is even more impressive. You can change elements everywhere as each element have their llown loadout so you dont have to change weapons and artifacts everytime. Don't know why they dont want to implement this to Genshin

You people would "optimize" and "QOL" out all the immersion and soul if you got your way.

Definitely something in the code that they'd have to make a huge rework for to implement. People keep comparing with the Trailblazer but they forget the games came out years apart from each other. They're slowly working on fixing the spaghetti code in Genshin over the years because they prioritize minimal bugs (for a 5 year old open world game, with the amount of characters and interactions it has, the bug quota is very tiny) over overhauling systems every couple of patches because the game wasn't built for that.


I'm not defending them, mind you, I just think it isn't because they hate their players.

prolly because not enough people use the shitty ass traveler and their kits

so yeah, all due to their own making

At this point, no idea.

HSR MC can change paths on the team screen and even gets to keep different artifact loadouts on each path.

They just hate the traveler, I guess

a hassle to click a statue of the seven on the map and watch a 10 second scene?

Makes me think that the way its coded would cause issues

It's also stupid that the equipped artifact set is shared between all elements instead of saving to that specific element

They probably wanted the elements to feel mastered once you actually have them all.

Originally the traveler barely mixed elements and only did a small burst in the fight with Childe.

But then they wanted the traveler to use them more to make cutscenes cooler but havent found that "Moment" to lore wise give us the power buff to swap easily.

The next buff is clearly a step in that direction but we gotta see still.

The real reason: so few players care about this that it isn’t high enough on their priority list to see the light of day. The Genshin teams are busy, and this minor QoL change hadn’t made the cut, yet.

It's a part of the player-game contract. It's a system of interactivity. For lack of a better word, let's use the term "active content".

Whenever you engage with a game, you're confronted with passive content (music, animations, voicelines, dialogues etc.) and active content (opening chests, fighting, making dialogue choices etc.) What sets video games apart from a lot of other media is the presence of this active content.

A video game is a thing we engage with for entertainment, and of our own free will. Take away the pure 'feelings' it gives you, and most of a game's activity is rather pointless. You need 100 gold? You need to open a chest! But why? You could just have a menu button 'get 100 gold', or even remove the requirement of 100 gold altogether.

It's because the search for that chest and the subsequent purchase using that gold are satisfying activities that make you feel like you're 'doing something'.

A game's active content is build not just from tools, but also limitations. You cannot use a burst without enough energy. You cannot buy an item without the mora. You cannot change elements without visiting a statue.

Now, that's not to say the element change system is *good* active content. It's not. It's trivialised by the lack of limits on free teleportation. It doesn't present challenge nor does it serve immersion, as it is not accurate to the game's story. This can be contrasted with something like, say, visiting Katheryne to turn in dailies, which reaffirms your ties with the Adventurer's Guild, and ensures players visit this location and this character often.

Had teleportation not been a thing, it would have made more sense as a design decision. And as is common in Open World games, it's probably one of those choices made without teleportation in mind to begin with.

Spaghetti code probably.

Because the sensible features are for hsr and zzz

They could have easily done it this update when they worked a little on the travelar but naah small indie company prob can't

Wait, I thought that we would get changed elements in the menu this update. In the livestream, they showed something like that.

NGL, as a challenge, I never change the Traveler's element in main story quests once I get them. So I spent all of Liyue as Geo Traveler.

It probably some thing on the level of HSR fullness bar that there for idk, immersion, and is probably partially spaghetti code.

Mind you, they should absolutely change it. Preferably to something like HSR but I'd take not having to have traveler in the party at least. 💀

Considering certain quests auto change your element, that limitation is pretty dumb.

That's just hoyo being petty about people asking for dialogue skip button. Can't skip dialogue, can't skip element change can't skip 5 star burst animations and so on

Some people here really be defending this shit. It been 5 years ffs. The refuse to do any qol updates cause they don't need to.

The day the revenue goes down, they will maybe try but that's unlikely due to sunk cost fallacy.

If the code is the issue, that isn't our excuse to make. Let the Dev team say it.

Ive always said its too make us interact with the world. Kinda like how you Have to talk to Katherine to claim your dailes. Idk how tk describe it

At first I wished the Traveler's elements were treated as different characters from each other. You could have more than one Traveler per lineup or just have a solo Traveler with 4 different elements.

But then I thought, what if the Traveler ran out of HP? Would the whole line up die or would they have three more lives?

Don’t worry guys, I’ve been asking for this on surveys for a long time. We‘ll get it some day, I’m sure of it…some day

Probably a loop of

- traveler having a low usage rate
- of traveler users, low rate of users swapping elements frequently if at all
- idea of adding a quick switch button falls to the lowest priority task, if it's being considered for addition at all. Because why would you make a QOL feature for 0.000001% of players

Genshin focuses on the lore so they surely won’t let us change the gender of the MC during the Teyvat chapter. But in the recent CGs it is obvious that the MC can use multiple element skills. 

I know imma be bombarded with downvotes, but tbh imo: For a game that includes open world exploration, I think it’s quite reasonable.

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Also would be good if Traveler's element didn't affect the Manequins

from development standpoint, their previous game, Honkai Impact 3rd, the protagonist can't change element/attribute. so Hoyo probably still experimenting how to make protagonist have multiple element/attribute