Nah, it wasn't. It was decent at best. Open world is peak tho
Lin_Mie2026-01-12 12:28
It has always been amazing to me 🔥
Don't really care about other people's opinion
Because I play game for my own enjoyment ✨
rishin_17652026-01-12 12:32
Based
hitmobilegamehsr2026-01-12 12:30
I liked it but the missing voices sadly ruined the experience
vankata42112026-01-12 12:45
Missing voices? I assume you mean the EN dub?
animus5652026-01-12 12:47
what else lol?
vankata42112026-01-12 12:49
Idk, I use JP dub and was confused. I don't really follow the drama around the eng dub.
saygoodnight212026-01-12 14:00
Me too, I opt from English to JP from time to time.
aYuShKr4822026-01-12 12:30
It was neither good nor bad, just Okay.
Fabio909892026-01-12 12:30
It always was.
SpicyFox_x2026-01-12 12:30
It always just felt fine for me. Didn’t deserve THAT much hate imo but it wasn’t the most awesome thing ever. The fact natlan was meant to be full of exploration units but we didn’t get lots of map expansions was also a bummer.
Zestyclose-Algae-8972026-01-12 12:31
Bad voice acting in english when there even was English, there was some audio mixing issue making any word ending with an S blow up in volume, the exploration was peak but the story was mid, better than Inazuma, worse than Sumeru, so definitely in the lower end for genshin, no clear antagonist or anything and the cast was awful, 2/3 interesting characters and everyone else could be erased from the story and it would make no difference.
BlackTemplarKNB2026-01-12 12:31
no
also fuck saurian coop events
Suspicious_Assist_472026-01-12 12:35
preach
KeyMore94222026-01-12 13:01
I hate saurian events too
Honkino2026-01-12 13:37
I want to erase Natlan from my memory but we get saurian event every patch.
Own-Tradition-36912026-01-12 14:46
Natlan remains to be my least favourite region because of this. It should be Inazuma, but the pokemon dragons are so annoying to play and they KEEP pushing their coop events.
Mysterious_Wafer48302026-01-12 16:02
fuck all co-op events tbh, they stress me out
iamterpsichora2026-01-12 12:31
fr it was probably the nation i enjoyed the most, the characters are hella fun too
smoothtv992026-01-12 12:32
It always was. The open world and quests and the pacing of the story were giant improvements.
Coming off the back of Fontaine it had big shoes to fill and I while I enjoyed the story of Fontaine better than Natlan I enjoyed Natlan more as a whole.
Majizen2026-01-12 12:32
I've always placed it between Sumeru and Fontaine in terms of ranking... 1 year later and I still place it there. It was a 7.5/10 kind of good but not 'Amazing'. So far, Nod Krai is looking like the black horse of all versions/regions, it has by far the best pre-finale versions and depending on what they do with v6.3 it can easily top Fontaine because majority of Fontaine's hype only came from its finale being hard-carried by Furina and that was it.
Me_to_Dazai2026-01-12 12:33
Who's "we" lol and wdym admit? Surely you don't think this is an opinion everyone will collectively agree with? Or are you trying to insinuate that everyone who doesn't think Natlan was "amazing" is lying 💀
Well anyway, it wasn't bad but it fell short of all other regions to me
kokko6932026-01-12 13:02
Natlan is better than Mondstat, Inazuma, Liyue
Fontaine is still goat, Followed by Sumeru or Nod Krai
But Natlan has modern story writing, which the early countries didn't have.
If you do a reroll and start the main story again you will see how aged the early writing was.
Paks-of-Three-Firs2026-01-12 13:05
5.1 was the best part of Natlan by a huge degree. 5.3 felt so incredibly rushed in comparison to 3.3 and 4.3 and massively disappointed me.
Natlan was a overall a disappointment to me compared to Sumeru and Fontaine. If it wasnt for 5.1 which was so absolutely incredible it felt like a finale as a whole, I wouldnt even place it much higher then any pre 3.0 quest.
That being said characters like Xilonen are surprisingly and even now, incredible characters with a lot of depth. Many of the character stories (Xilonen in paticular) were very enjoyable and the world quests of natlan were fantastic.
As for the technology stuff, only mauvika's bike bothered me.
>Or are you trying to insinuate that everyone who doesn't think Natlan was "amazing" is lying 💀
That is exactly what they are saying. They arent capable of nuanced thinking.
Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-12 13:52
>5.3 felt so incredibly rushed in comparison to 3.3 and 4.3 and massively disappointed me.
The Finale for Sumeru was in 3.2 and the Finale for Fontaine was 4.2.
Sumeru 3.3 had the Interlude, inversion of genesis, which I would put kinda separate from the Archon quest.
4.3 was fully disconnected from the Archon quest.
Skykeeper222026-01-12 12:34
I would love to shift act 4 as the climax and have more leading up to it. For me act 5 was kinda unnecessary.
Ok-Temporary-51262026-01-12 12:41
The ups and downs of Natlan AQ is similar with Amphoreus arc. Slow start, a very peak middle, unnecessary interlude, rushed ending
lanienah122026-01-12 12:56
I never really thought about natlan just being a shorter amphoreus but that’s about right lol… the abyss war was the peak of natlan’s aq and it never came close to reaching that peak again
cartercr2026-01-12 13:53
To be honest I did personally like the finale of Natlan’s AQ. I can understand how it might be a little too “power of friendship” for some people, and that’s totally fair, but I personally liked it.
Kind of wish it hadn’t been missing EN voices though. That definitely took away from it.
racistpenguin2026-01-12 13:01
This. The last act leaves the biggest impression on people, and that is pretty much the difference between Fontaine and Natlan - one had a weak act 4 followed by cinema act 5, while the other had cinema act 4 followed by a weak act 5.
DracOWOnicDisciple2026-01-12 14:08
Act 4 pretty much solved no problem to any meaningful degree, so it'd need to have more to it in that case.
racistpenguin2026-01-12 14:36
Oh, for sure it wouldn't work well to just cut it at that point and call it a day, it would need changes to make it work as a final act. But I think if it was done that way - it would've made a much better lasting impression on people.
Costyn172026-01-12 13:30
Act 4 was the climax. We won the war. Act 5 was the cleanup, fixing what needed to be fixed after the war.
Vegetto_ssj2026-01-12 12:36
The exploration yes, the vibes yes, but the story could be better, and some characters needed better work
Shubo4832026-01-12 12:37
No lol. The exploration was great, but the story was so ass I dropped the game for the year. I didn't like the EN voices or designs this time around either. Citlali, Capitano and Mualani were my only exceptions. I'm still hesitant to do the Nod Krai AQ, but the Ineffa thing was promising.
dadofwar932026-01-12 12:52
NOD Krai is 10 times better minus that one character story shoehorned into one of them. Rest is great. Columbina and Mavuika feel like night and day in terms of writing and being liked.
Scared-Ad-48462026-01-12 12:37
Good part of the Natlan:
- Environment
- prologue
Bad things from Natlan:
- others than Ororon and Citlali, most of the characters interaction was bland in AQ
- saurians was annoying to use, and stop giving us Saurian collecting coins event
- the climax was flat and rushed
- the hastag was cringe
Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-12 12:41
>the hastag was cringe
It's still weird just how aggressively MHY pushed Mavuika.
Feels like no other Archon or "Archon" got that much pre-release Marketing
HighLvlNoob692026-01-12 12:47
What is the hashtag, idk. natlan managed to make me quit Genshin. If that's not something idk lol haha.
Housing_Alert2026-01-12 12:50
Something like stand with mavuika or something.
Completely erased that from my memory until this post.
KeyMore94222026-01-12 13:02
Yeah there was also fight like skirk, or fight with, they did this for characters, and they may still be doing it cant recall
Scared-Ad-48462026-01-12 12:51
It was a trend in X before the last AQ with #StandwithMavuika hashtag by Hoyo, and I'm pretty sure there was another one, about Natlan, I don't remember what is it tho.
Shubo4832026-01-12 12:51
Stand with Mavuika. That "no one fights alone" thing ended up being stupid too.
WillSmithsper2026-01-12 12:49
They had a hashtag for skirk too
Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-12 12:50
I'm talking about Mavuikas marketing even beyond just the hashtag
erosugiru2026-01-12 12:51
I'm pretty sure Columbina is getting as much if not more marketing than her. The hashtags became a mainstay afterwards for certain characters like #ThinkingOfCitlali or #TrainWithSkirk or something, I forget the rest.
Basically, it's just one of the new things Natlan tried.
Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-12 13:00
>I'm pretty sure Columbina is getting as much if not more marketing than her
Mavuika had gotten Multiple out-of-Game Marketing videos like this
https://youtu.be/3W0UgmygLfo
Columbina isn't quite getting that degree of focus
erosugiru2026-01-12 13:12
This was an official Global collab with Yamaha I believe. Every year, Genshin collabs with the most random of brands and this time it was Samsung Galaxy featuring Wriothesley and Duolingo with some guys from Sumeru. I think Furina got something too? With earbuds I believe.
The marketing for Natlan in general was nothing like it was before but if we're being honest, it's the Saurians that got the most out of it.
Columbina is literally everywhere in the game and soon she's gonna be in the UI, I don't think there's a single patch where it wasn't dedicated to her and her screentime. They've also been spamming #GenshinMoonInvitation a lot recently, it's less catchy than #StandWithMavuika that's for sure.
You can argue that Mavuika has more infamy outside the game but Columbina's presence and back to back promotion is relentless and Mavuika could never compare to her at all.
Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-12 13:16
>Every year, Genshin collabs with the most random of brands and this time it was Samsung Galaxy featuring Wriothesley and Duolingo with some guys from Sumeru. I think Furina got something too? With earbuds I believe.
None of those collabs got a Main-Channel marketing video.
Zr0h_2026-01-12 14:55
I had mavuika billboards in my country bruh. I was so tired of seeing that shit.
LazyLilana2026-01-12 15:06
I think with Mavuika push felt stronger because imo it's weren't as natural as Columbina.
Columbina is main focus of the Nod-Krai story, she IS story of Nod-Krai. It's just feel natural that she is main focus of promos for Nod-Krai.
giggity20992026-01-12 13:05
I thought kachinas tournament story with mualani at the beginning was quite good at fleshing out their character. Xilonens story with the little girl too. And I don’t know if this counts, but I quite enjoyed Bennett’s story here
But yeah. Chasca, Kinich and Mavuikas story didn’t quite do anything for me. They could’ve done much better, especially for the archon of the region
Scared-Ad-48462026-01-12 13:17
Kinich literally have no impact to the AQ lmao, and you even forgot to mention Iansan, which is not your fault because somehow she even has less impact than Kinich.
Xilonen SQ was peak tho.
DeathByDevastator2026-01-12 13:45
Xilonen sq has the most boring and dull first act and then somehow pulls out one of the game's best stories immediately afterwards.
Ceb00la2026-01-12 13:38
I would personally add the war part( chapter 4 I think) to good stuff, really liked it for some reason, and some natlan character designs are awesome. Chapter 5 was a disappointment though. And yes, fuck coin collecting events, leave that stuff to Roblox mode.
komandos452026-01-12 14:13
War arc (i think it was chapter IV ?) was also good thing.
But have to agree with rest of it.
From story perspective didn't helped to push "None fight alone in Natlan" and at same time having Pyro Archon trying to do everything alone...
\+All this voice "drama" made by VA
AQ:
Started low
Peaked in middle
went downhill from here.
Andromeda_Violet2026-01-12 12:37
Nope it wasnt. An amazing region would not get hated so much.
elbenji2026-01-12 13:19
Nah people will hate always to hate. It's Genshin
Anadaere2026-01-12 12:38
The peaks were higher than Fontaine, but overall it had some lows that just felt off, there were more important bits in the story that could have been focused more on instead of the partying
Archon wise, Mavuika just wasn't anything I expected, and she's not it for me. For a human Archon she felt more inhuman than the others. Venti's obvious depression and hiding it under a cheery behavior, Old Guard Zhongli who's legit too old for this, Ei is the only one who felt more inhuman than Mavuika and that's because turns out she's literally not even the archon but a puppet, Nahida's obvious lack of self worth and need to find purpose, Furina's everything
Mavuika is simply a perfect Archon, with no signs of flaws or lackings, atleast as is shown in the archon quest and her story
fubukishirou072026-01-12 12:44
Yep mavuika is the M-SHE-U of genshin.
erosugiru2026-01-12 12:58
Mavuika has few subtle but very consistent flaws in her mentality that the story showcases that I'd love to get explored later down the line now that she actually sees a future for herself. Nod-Krai is almost over but I've yet to see Mavuika actually, truly let her guard down in front of the playable cast except her own sister.
I know people loved how Furina was presented but I found the heel turn to be too sharp and too heavy-handed, completely defanging her in the process. Mavuika being good at what she's supposed to do and sometimes being worryingly reckless that no one addresses because no one expects her to falter or fail.
Inevitable-Catch-8692026-01-12 13:27
>For a human Archon she felt more inhuman than the others.
That was literally the point.
>Venti's obvious depression and hiding it under a cheery behavior
Mavuika's obvious depression and hiding it under a steely behavior and suicidal ideation
Furina has no flaws. Nahida's only "flaw" is that she's young, and Zhongli's that he's old.
Mavuika has more flaws than the rest of the Archons put together, she just hides it well and Natlan's writing was genuinely better and more subtle than the rest of the game. We didn't have a Furina-tier backstory dump or Paimon repeating everything twice so you don't miss it, which is why you didn't get it. "Show don't tell" doesn't work on a fanbase used to having everything spelled out.
ZeRandomPerson22222026-01-12 12:39
No? It’s a big step back after Fontaine in terms of writing, the exploration is just cumbersome, tedious and not very enjoyable a lot of the time, the use of modern style technology clashes badly with the other parts of Natlan and just look really out of place, and Mavuika is such a poorly handled character.
paliba22026-01-12 12:51
Funny cus Fontaine wasn't good until the last archon quest, natlan atleast kept me interesting all the way through
erosugiru2026-01-12 12:53
Overall the writing was much more cohesive in Natlan despite being rushed for the last Act. Act 5 of Fontaine is widely acclaimed but it's people collectively forgetting how bad Act 3 and 4 was.
Despite how good it was at the time, it wasn't enough for me forgive the pacing coming to a screeching halt after the stunners that were Act 1 and 2.
HIkaUri2026-01-12 13:49
It seems someone only remembers the good things about Fontaine and has completely forgotten that acts 3 and 4 were absolutely useless, we just walked around and learned information about the fortress, so that at the last moment it became useless. You could cut those two acts and not lose anything.
Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-12 12:39
People who think that Natlan was good, should stop acting like they're some persecuted minority or that their opinion is somehow niche.
People who don't like Natlan simply do not like it. Their differences in subjective taste and reasoning for not liking it are just as valid as those whose subjective taste and reasons made them like Natlan.
There is nothing that needs to be "admitted".
The only thing that needs to be done, is leave behind the needles discourse around 5.X
Aeveir2026-01-12 12:50
To be fair, it can be exhausting to see how many people say they hate something and you end up feeling like you're alone in liking that something, because they thus might feel they can't connect with anyone in the fandom.
Aeveir2026-01-12 12:56
Jesus Christ getting downvoted for making an observation, fuck this community.
Purple-Ebb-53382026-01-12 13:01
and fuck you too!
Paks-of-Three-Firs2026-01-12 12:56
Anyone who thinks that is simply someone who is immature.
Also so what is the logic of it being "exhausting" and your response is to hate on everyone back and make assumptions and then also act as if everyone they disagree with is wrong?
Maybe its "exhausting" for us to always be told we should admit we were "wrong".
Aeveir2026-01-12 13:00
Who said I was hating on anyone? Don't try to place intent on me. I never said it was problematic to not like Natlan, and I'm not concerned with OP as much as I'm talking more about just those who like Natlan.
Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-12 12:57
It can also be exhausting with how much toxic positivity there was surrounding Natlan.
Pro-Natlan people were not isolated. The nations reception simply not *as* unanimous as previous nations. It's still largely well received. The only difference is that the faction that didn't receive it well, wasn't an invisible minority
Aeveir2026-01-12 13:09
Fair point.
Skitty15552026-01-12 12:58
just take some time off. it's not worth it to feel bad over people not liking stuff you do.
Me_to_Dazai2026-01-12 13:22
It goes both ways. There were people like OP trying to act like anyone who didn't like Natlan was wrong or just hating on other nations (especially Fontaine) just because they can't handle the fact that not everyone liked Natlan. There were like 5 posts every day in this sub during the beginning of Nod Krai with people acting like Nod Krai was worse than Natlan or that NK characters were a "downgrade" from Natlan designs etc. I almost feel like Natlan gets more flak because of the toxic Natlan glazers than it does for what it is in the game itself
Tybald-the-owl2026-01-12 12:57
I agree on that.
Natlan probably was overhated to some point, but most of the time in the usual echo holes of the Internet (Twitter, partly some Rage bait YouTuber).
I don‘t agree with people on Twitter obviously, but I do admit, that I was a bit disappointed of the Archon quest.
It wasn‘t that bad, but I still think it didn‘t show it’s potential. It was ok, but could have been better.
Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-12 13:03
>I don‘t agree with people on Twitter obviously, but I do admit, that I was a bit disappointed of the Archon quest.
IMO the Final Push into the Abyss should've been an immediate follow-up after the tides of war had turned.
Having 3 months between act 4 and act 5 killed a lot of the momentum that Act 5 implied to have.
sir_thrillho2026-01-12 13:34
The archon quest was so frustrating and the pacing was AWFUL.
KaedeP_222026-01-12 13:16
well on this thread alone if you scroll down, those who like Natlan is indeed a minority 🤷
Void0Cat2026-01-12 13:20
I largely agree with this. But I do hold that criticism can be objective and legitimate in principle -- things like internal consistency, narrative payoff, thematic coherence, etc, aren’t simply matters of taste.
That said, in this specific case, I think you’re right. This fandom generally isn’t engaging in anything resembling serious literary analysis, so most of what get presented as “criticism” or “praise” of Natlan ends up being, as you noted: subjective taste.
At the level of discourse we actually see here, “it worked for me” or “it didn’t work for me” is more than sufficient.
And “can we finally admit” is just the cherry on top. Admit *what*, exactly? Treating people who didn’t like, and conversly, those who did like Natlan as though they’re missing something, lying to themselves, or need to confess error is just egotistical on OP's part, and anyone else who's taking similar positions.
Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-12 13:34
>things like internal consistency, narrative payoff, thematic coherence, etc, aren’t simply matters of taste.
I'm not fully disagreeing with you, but on the other hand
"How much do those flaws matter to someone" and "are these things even perceived as flaws by people" *do* fall into matters of differences in subjective taste.
Like, a good chunk of discourse just felt like arguing over whether a mildly spicy pasta dish is just fine because it's only mild or flawed because it's only mild
azureskyline282026-01-12 13:43
Agreed. People like what they like. But yeah as a region as a whole, it's not some landslide victory. It has good bits, but there are things that are clearly not likable. Respect what people like and don't like.
ViNoBi382026-01-12 13:57
I find the story fine but not great. The WQ on the other hand...
I want more Xiuhcoatl please. I beg of you Hoyo. They truly cooked for WQ.
Valkeyri2026-01-12 12:41
No. Next question.
SlideReasonable80422026-01-12 12:42
Only the exploration was fun. the story was too linear and one dimensional, like it had no twists. the only twist was capitano's sacrifice.
No_Fee51872026-01-12 12:43
who's we
RestaurantBoring4172026-01-12 12:44
It wasn't, and Mavuika looks like ass compared to the other archons. Inazuma gets an archon who looks Japanese, Fontaine one who looks French, and Natlan gets a White woman in a bike suit.
heatherxeimiko2026-01-12 12:44
Absolutely not still trash
Big-Cauliflower-34302026-01-12 12:45
Can we admit not everyone has the same opinion
Sena_AI02026-01-12 12:46
Natlan IS peak, It's the reason why I started playing this game regularly again
Prestigious-Elk12742026-01-12 12:47
natlan was when genhsin peaked ...imo
this_is_no_gAM32026-01-12 12:56
Nah genshin is peaking rn in terms of story, I think natlan peaked in terms of open world
Pleasant_Dentist_2392026-01-12 12:57
Genshin peaked in inazuma
Blasian3852026-01-12 12:47
It’s just fine but it’s disappointing compared to Fontaine by a lot.
Like the characters are more bland the story more cliche and minus some exploration mechanics it’s not all that fun. The animals sucked to use too.
Weak_Shower_30772026-01-12 12:47
I finished Natlan yesterday. It was pretty good, I have it down as my third favorite under Sumeru and Fontaine
JensenMao2026-01-12 12:47
No, we can't.
DasBleu2026-01-12 12:48
I waited five years for a playable Mare Jivari, and while I was vindicated in my Benny lore, the disappointment for a playable map is real.
saffrondirtyrice2026-01-12 13:10
hopefully in Luna 6 or 7 they will give us the actual map, since they've said that we are going to come back to it. I personally think an interlude quest involving the Pyro Gnosis with Mare Jivari as an expansion would be needed.
elbenji2026-01-12 13:15
That was just the preview map apparently
Which if it's just a preview, I vibe with it
Nero_PR2026-01-12 14:28
It feels like it was more a preview to mare jivari than anything. I still do think we'll set foot there at some point in the future.
Evening_Parking26102026-01-12 12:48
I think natlan is alright story had hits ups and downs having decisions that kinda mattered for once was a nice change of pace designs were good but not for natlans ascethic
erosugiru2026-01-12 12:48
I find everything about Natlan good to great except the characters themselves. Too many questionable decisions but at least they're trying something new.
If it wasn't for this terrible cast of designs, it would've dethroned Fontaine as my favorite region and even Fontaine has its issues.
Perfect_Increase87922026-01-12 12:48
We? Are you speaking french?
Atago13372026-01-12 12:49
It felt rushed and out of place and i will die on that hill.
I liked most characters though.
PhasmicPlays2026-01-12 12:50
For me it was alright
Isk4nd4r_rd2026-01-12 12:50
Open world aestthetic is good. Npc/nation characterisation is bad. Saurians suck ass. World quests/story quests are great. AQ is whatever (i already forgot what happened, we went into abyss or something few times?). Archon is bland MarySue in a gimpsuit. Game balance was destroyed. Some 5stars are interesting above average. Overall Natlan is just meh. Not good, not terrible, just meh.
Edit. Oh and 70% of characters being mute is also absolute ass and unforgivable for multibilion$ company.
Tybald-the-owl2026-01-12 12:51
Well, if you like it, that‘s fine. I don‘t know what „we“ you could be talking be about.
Well Yes, if you meant exploration and world quest, I guess I would agree with you.
If it‘s about the Archon quest specifically and characterization of Mavuika, then I don‘t.
Svizek2026-01-12 12:51
no.
THExSPY042026-01-12 12:51
Idk what you mean brother, the cutscenes were great, "power of friendship" and stuff. But other than that the story was just normal. Mauvika Vs Capitano was fire tho-
The real PEAK was Fontaine, best Archon quest till date.
this_is_no_gAM32026-01-12 12:58
I think nod krai act 3,4,6 are better than Fontaine final act
THExSPY042026-01-12 12:59
As an overall story, Fontaine is still better in my opinion, BUT next act will probably change that considering THE DOCTOR
WazzaHudson2026-01-12 12:51
It was always ok to say Natlan was great, don't let a bunch of idiots with a failed boycott tell you otherwise. Personally, I think it was one of the better regions, only just about pulling ahead of Fontaine because it had more gameplay woven into the story.
lanienah122026-01-12 12:52
It’s a solid 3rd place aq behind Fontaine and Sumeru, probably will get dropped to 4th place if nod krai keeps being this good.
Best thing about natlan was the exploration and the wq series. Mavuika was a bit of a disappointment with the clunky bike gameplay
this_is_no_gAM32026-01-12 12:52
I always loved it, maybe the main story didn't live up to its potential but I loved every other part of it
CandidAd9552026-01-12 12:53
It was a theme park stalling episode. I personally found it lacking, the main conflict was ok, with a boring non-antagonist "the abyss". Can't even be sure if the abyss is malevolent or purely mindless, no clue.
Mavuika was wasted. She had every element in place to stomp Furina in every department, so much potential for drama. A human-archon. Time-traveller. The inheritor of massive responsibilities, her predecessor was the fucking goat living legend Xbalanque. Instead she's captain america boy scout. Fucking kek.
Capitano was fucking wasted. He failed in every possible way but fashion sense.
The character conflicts were very ok. Since none of them had a history with already existing characters, everything felt very lame, isolated, colorless. The Benny summer adventure was pretty much the best part, ngl.
Exploration was best in show.
So... 7/10 for me. It was a very ok version.
Also, the beginning of the current horrendous power-creep. Its killing my desire to keep playing, ngl
Traditional-Food-7572026-01-12 12:53
The storyline or the characters didn't really stand out for me so no
SeigXeon2026-01-12 12:54
Yup
Best exploration
Best playable characters (currently a Chasca Main)
Best music
Best visuals
Most fun I've had in genshin was Natlan (1500 day player)
AkoSiJose2026-01-12 12:54
It's fine.
Folks really had an "expectation vs. reality" moment with it, "this doesn't feel like Genshin" here and there and whatnot, and whatever outrage that almost disappeared during Nod-Krai.
I'm just glad they treated Traveler better in Natlan after F*ntaine.
CryoStrange2026-01-12 12:55
Nostalgia baiting.
Sayain_6662026-01-12 12:55
For story wise it was okok nothing that great happened but it's ok
For gameplay and power crept wise all of them fucked the cycle tbh
Mauvika powerlvl is reasonable enough cause she's an archon to some extent but tf u mean by a cowgirl who stole a 5 star spot ...eating 100 times a day is doing more damage than Raiden like how tf that makes sense she's like literally an archon???
LumosSol12026-01-12 12:55
I never hated natlan lmao, I love all the characters, Mavuika is awesome.
Pleasant_Dentist_2392026-01-12 12:55
Natlan is the reason i dropped this game ..
ankitjad2026-01-12 12:56
When was it ever bad, To me sumeru and NATLAN are peak as a lore enthusiast.
Physical-Command21302026-01-12 12:56
natlan as area was peak, AQ was good characters was not that good except Mavuika
Gallonim2026-01-12 12:56
It would be okay if they didn't show us peak with Fontaine.
Underwater exploration was a mile better than whatever they tried to do with Saurians.
Half of them being clunky to play didn't help.
The only interesting Saurian aka Qucusaurus was lobotomized before it was even released.
Ofc you could get the non clunky variants by getting Natlan 5* but where is fun in that.
secretlyink2026-01-12 12:56
Natlan was a huge step down from Fontaine imo... from the characters & their backstories, to the archon quests; everything was bland. i liked Natlan, but the character designs were just disappointing for a multitude of reasons and the hate for them were 100% deserved. plus the lore was very poorly written and executed and just wasn't that great (i'm an avid lore player). aside from the bad stuff, i think the scenery and exploration was amazing and i enjoyed it very much.
Beta_Codex2026-01-12 12:57
All the hate I keep hearing was about design and representation. Design it's all just for personal and preference. It's subjective and opinionated which it does not matter. Representation is probably only what most people don't understand. The game is chinese, and games like this rarely has any dark skin or black characters in them regardless where the region or something is inspired from. An example of this is Nikke Goddess of victory where the devs changed one of the female character's skin to white from black. Because it will never sell to the Chinese audience. And Nikke is a Korean game. It's not really why they won't do it. It's because they have to do it.
Another thing is that the nations of teyvat isn't based on one country but multiple. Lot of people still miss that and assume their favorite country in the game is 100% accurate inspired in real life. Which funny enough, it's totally not.
hypervortex212026-01-12 12:57
Nathan itself looked and sounded amazing. That's all it's getting. Characters and story ehhhh
Square-Cable-92512026-01-12 12:58
Fuck no
amnoguos2026-01-12 12:58
i've always liked it
Ricksaw262026-01-12 12:58
I mean, there is no need to admit anything. People can like or hate whatever they want. You do you, if you like natlan, then good for you, if you didn't, then that's too bad. I don't understand how it is so hard to understand people can like and/or dislike different stuff lol.
xd_ZelnikM2026-01-12 12:59
It was good
I just don't like how much IRL stuff of today was shoved it, when it clearly doesn't match the theme the regions were going for. Ben 10 Game boy, gyaru with in-line skates and Mavuika do not fit into the tribal theme, they were going for with the region, whatsoever
Chasca and Ifa get somewhat of a pass since they still somewhat fit in their region's aesthetic
friedandfrogged2026-01-12 12:59
it really wasn't 💔
External_Internet_502026-01-12 13:00
Natlan has fantastic exploration, but the main quest is mostly rubbish! Mavuika is flat, and the only characters with any real personality are (Kachina, Mualani, Xilonen, Captain, Ororon, Ifa).
Citlali was nice at the beginning, but in her main quest, she's really crap, like the rest of the characters. And I have to say that Kinich and Mavuika deserve to be among the flattest characters ever.
Kinich is only good in terms of aesthetics, but his character is really awful. Ineffa, for me, isn't part of Natlan, even though it is part of Natlan... I repeat, very nice exploration, I liked it, they added fantastic QOL, Radiance, and more! But...
The rest is crap. Let's just thank the exploration for the QOL! Anyway, Xilonen has a really cool quest! That says it all! For Ineffa's Quest, it's more of an introduction to Nod Krai! I'm sorry, Ineffa, you're part of Natlan! I won't give any spoilers, guys! Have a good day!
Connect-Leg-31252026-01-12 14:37
Honestky, I didn’t like the Natlan story that much, but the exploration was still worse for me. I didn’t like most of the banner characters so the only one I pulled was Kinich. Having to rely on the saurians most of the time took all the fun out of exploration. Maybe it’s cause I play this game on mobile, but the saurians feel slow and clunky and turn exploration into a chore rather than a fun thing to do.
I can definitely imagine people who pulled for the characters having fun with Natlan exploration though.
Edit: and honestly, if I did the story quest first I probably wouldn’t have pulled for Kinich either. Really liked his animations and skills but his character felt like he was non-existent. At least he made exploration somewhat bearable when I was actively grinding primogems to pull on the Liyue chronicled banner during the patch where it appeared.
takenusername50012026-01-12 13:00
aside from nightsoul transmission in combat, I agree
bonkai-2026-01-12 13:01
No
Disastrous_Loss_702026-01-12 13:02
what exactly has happened to make people change their mind? toxic positivity aside it was terrible story wise and meta wise
DancingKoalaa2026-01-12 13:02
i never hated natlan, always loved it since release. Didn't care at all if it made me racist for liking a part of a game. Pulled almost every character of natlan (C1R1 kinich and C2R0 chasca included). If i didnt lack primos i would have pulled varesa and completed my list. It has my favorite soundtrack, probably favorite AQ and i loved the exploration so i do not have to finally admit it, i was a D1 enjoyer and defender
-Meo-2026-01-12 13:03
Can we finally admit Natlan is a divisive region and leave it at that?
Vegetto_ssj2026-01-12 13:22
I find this really annoying when we talk about Mavuika. She is objectively divisive, but there are a lot of users that feel like personally attached (this also while talking about Emilie) or replay with the usual "loud minority".
Isn't the end of the world admit that she isn't so loved as like other Archons/important characters
Xlegace2026-01-12 13:54
OP is blatantly engagement baiting with a title like this
If this was titled "I thought Natlan was amazing" and had even 2-3 sentences of thoughts instead of literally nothing, this thread would be a completely different thread, but OP was clearly looking for specific reactions and looking at the replies, they got what they wanted.
SleepySassySloth2026-01-12 13:04
- Mavuika is an idealistic girl without means to back it up. She doesn't want the old heroes to travel forward in time alongside her because she said they had a family, which arguably caused thousands of death in the war before Chasca's awakening(?) everything just conveniently falls into place for her.
- She's (almost) a Mary sue with traits almost as worse if not equally worse. Her inner struggles were barely explored in-game, just a short video animation outside of it. Capitano doubted her once and it turned into him conveniently sacrificing himself with her fake death (Citlali's prophecy in case we're forgetting this) whom she should've paid the price of using Ronova's power on her own.
- the final battle is just mavuika and traveler without satisfying climactic showdown with other awakened heroes giving her buff from afar without participating.
- etc.
TLDR
No.
PhantomXxZ2026-01-12 13:04
No.
Mata18802026-01-12 13:05
Nope, Natlan was by far the worst region so far for me
LilishPH2026-01-12 13:05
No, it sucks. Everything about it sucks. It will forever be known as the nation that didn't deliver anything but disappointment and exhaustion.
Diii1232026-01-12 13:07
But it wasn't 🥀
KibbloMkII2026-01-12 13:07
I wish we could set the Abyss sky as an option
also is the mare jivari ever gonna become a legitimate region in the game
MaJuV2026-01-12 13:07
Eeh, it had its moments. But it's nowhere near Sumeru or Fontaine.
JJacen2026-01-12 13:07
Nope. It's at best, KINDA good, but definitely not amazing
azureskyline282026-01-12 13:39
Agreed. In totality it's not the best of the regions, but not one of the worst either.
Sil3ntWriter2026-01-12 14:01
Which regions would be worse? Genuinely asking, because I can't think of any region that I did not enjoy exploring/story except Natlan 🥲. Maybe Inazuma because of the lightning, but that was fixable via quest and then it was fine for me.
Xlegace2026-01-12 14:07
On the contrary, Natlan was by far the best region in terms of exploration for me, especially since I pulled most of the Natlan characters.
The earlier regions were a pain to explore when no one had exploration abilities and Sumeru's desert is infamously dry.
Sil3ntWriter2026-01-12 14:25
>especially since I pulled most of the Natlan characters.
This was probably what made it worse for me, because I didn't like any of the natlan characters, and exploring without (most of) their buffs was *atrocious*.
I guess in the end it's personal preference. I loved getting lost in the Sumeru desert/pyramids. But the new general abilities sure are good.
DracOWOnicDisciple2026-01-12 14:09
Inazuma and Liyue
greenarcher022026-01-12 14:11
Story-wise, probably Inazuma.
joed23552026-01-12 14:28
What inazuma lacked in story it made up for in vibes
greenarcher022026-01-12 14:28
Well true. Plus the trailer with Raiden aura farming on the roof is still iconic.
Opposite-Cheetah-5532026-01-12 14:30
Worse exploration then first place Sumeru, and I don't like Fontaine either.
The only 2 regions I don't have above 80% exploration rate.
Onetwodash2026-01-12 14:37
Inazuma exists but I'm not sure even that is worse than Natlan story wise.
Like we could imagine a worse region than Natlan, it's just that Monstad, Liyue, Sumeru and NosKrai (so far) are pretty damn good.
hellyhellhell2026-01-12 13:07
it's okay, the only aspects of it that scored a 10 out of 10 for me would be:
1. environment
2. exploration mechanism
3. world quests and lore
4. soundtrack (but apart from Skirk's edgy song, when has Hoyo missed?)
WillSmithsper2026-01-12 13:07
I loved natlan.
Catnipdark2026-01-12 13:07
People thought that Inazuma's story sucked back then and they still do now.
Natlan is the same
WeWereInfinite2026-01-12 13:08
For me it was the most forgettable nation.
It wasn't *bad* but I think it did several things I didn't like while not doing anything to positively set it above the rest. I don't really have any fond memories of it, unlike the other nations.
Then again Nod Krai is quickly coming for the "most forgettable" crown.
CanWe_SaveHex2026-01-12 13:10
No ❤️
They are the biggest instigator of region-locked mechanic to cuck team diversity, with Nod Krai and Mondstadt buff following suit.
bruhhh_bama2026-01-12 13:11
everything except the archon quest was peak. the archon quest itself was like a solid 7/10
Mystic9871232026-01-12 13:12
act 4 was actually PEAK. I feel if they would have moved some contents of act 4 to act 5 then it could have been better as people's impressions are based on the last act. Act 5 had nothing much happened other than fighting gosoythoth and capitano's sacrifice so it might have made people think a mid archon quest. The aarchon quest was overall good and its much overhated where some people say even Inazuma was better and others say its the most skippable archon quest lol.
mekolayn2026-01-12 13:13
Lol, lmao
SilviaSukunaSimp2026-01-12 13:13
I liked the first part and the second part, the third made me hate it as a whole.
And that's makes me sad because I liked the Two acts of the archon quest and then the third made me personally hate it.
I like the exploration but because I have Kinich, Mavuika and Citlali(I won't pull for Xilonen, I miss the buff for Mavuika but i won't pull her, I don't like her)
biggest_brainz2026-01-12 13:15
Natlan was so good, the only issue it had was the Strike that made English voices disappear.
nomotyed2026-01-12 13:15
Yes. next.
Animelover56742026-01-12 13:16
I loved it
NoMonk4752026-01-12 13:16
No, Natlan had very horrible writing, most of the characters are very bland (expect mualani Kachina, kinich )
The archon of the nation who is supposed to be human feels very inhumane
But at least some people seem to like this region
Cratheaux2026-01-12 13:19
Nope, it was pretty bad
ragnarsenpai2026-01-12 13:20
Nah
No_Account_27462026-01-12 13:20
I enjoyed Natlan after returning from my break in Genshin (left around 3.1-3.2, came back for a month sometime in Fontaine and made a proper return in 5.0). It was a really cool experience getting to travel with the Saurians and Natlan exploration skills.
Natlan was also the first summer event I’ve fully experienced so that’s helped cement its place as my favourite nation
NemuriNezumi2026-01-12 13:20
People are allowed to not like Natlan the same way people are allowed to like it
FirdGoblin2026-01-12 13:22
I would have enjoyed Natlan so much if it wasn't for the constant hate it got and I felt like by liking it i'm some kind of bad person. (I always had trouble being part of a community my whole life)
ComfortableTraffic122026-01-12 13:24
can we finally admit different people have different opinions?
Turbulent_Chest98342026-01-12 13:24
No. Only the story with benny and bakunawa was peak
Beasthunter18992026-01-12 13:27
Except it was garbage
Damian16742026-01-12 13:27
It really wasn't
Linoren2026-01-12 13:28
It felt rushed and not amazing
Bigons32026-01-12 13:32
nod krai story makes natlan story feel like a side quest
ad_astra_inc2026-01-12 13:33
It was amazing!
NoAcanthopterygii8762026-01-12 13:34
You've got plenty of guts to post this here.
It's like trying to post anything positive about the One Piece anime in r/OnePiece.
imnotthinkinghard2026-01-12 13:34
Obviously it was
The-Iraqi-Guy2026-01-12 13:35
It was good, soem people liked it some people didn't.
It's very overhated though.
One thing that i always find funny is that people thought the tribes were using Unga bunga weapons and fighting eachother like how Hollywood would have you believe.
Long-Sky-34812026-01-12 13:35
if it’s so amazing why didn’t people like it as much as nod krai
lux_infinitum2026-01-12 13:36
It's my favourite region and has my favourite Archon and story/lore🫶
Silent_Silhouettes2026-01-12 13:44
'finally admit' that implies those of us who dont like natlan are lying, and nope. it sucks for me, worst region by far. the only part about it i like is the exploration perks that comes with the characters and the music.
MyResinIsGone2026-01-12 13:47
I agree that it was cool, and that I miss it too, but I don't think everyone will find it "amazing," some people won't like it, and that's normal. Either the person will find it cool, or they'll be indifferent (they just don't like it and move on with their life).
Obviously there's also that small, noisy group that likes to hate Natlan (just like they hate anything else), but we ignore that part of the community (or at least we should).
Dynamic-V2026-01-12 13:48
In terms of story and lore, it was great.. infact amazing but the characters and region itself kinda disappointed
OnlyBrave2026-01-12 13:49
People are kidding themselves here when they played Natlan Act IV and decided it's not good.
Ineedmemesplzkty2026-01-12 13:49
Ngl, Natlan was the reason I kinda stopped playing. The story and region just wasn’t what I was expecting it to be. The Teyvat trailer made the region out to be a land of constant warfare and the land of dragons, which to be fair it did start to be during the latter half of the story, but initially getting there it just turned out to be a tournament arc and Pokémons when I was expecting you know, DRAGONS. That initial exposure to Natlan definitely ruined my playthrough of Natlan as I just didn’t find the motivation to finish it until Nod Krai came out and even then I had to force my way through the story.
johnleefan2026-01-12 13:57
This is exactly where I am lol. Did nod krai and loved it, then begrudgingly went back to attempt Natlan. I am not into the main story AT ALL, for the exact reasons you stated. Honesty, I enjoyed Natlan's world quests far more than the main story. They at least had some depth and delved into Natlan's past and the dragons.
LokianEule2026-01-12 14:10
The world quests were peak. Big contrast from the main story.
Zr0h_2026-01-12 14:53
World quests are always so good imo also does help that they have a lot of lore in them so my mind goes crazy crafting up theories (that end up being wrong a version later).
Ok-Temporary-51262026-01-12 14:52
Yeah the WQ for me is the saving grace of the region's story. I expected Natlan to be everybody having a beef with each other. AQ didn't provide that. but man the family feud of the lore and WQ was fun. Kukulkan was a menace and I love it
LokianEule2026-01-12 14:10
I never actually expected it to be a nation torn up and destroyed by war and dark and gritty but man i am so bummed there were no DRAGONS save 1.5.
PeterVN130320102026-01-12 13:50
Can the ppl who says this shit stop spouting opinion as objective facts?
TheNormalNut2026-01-12 13:52
Exploration and lore wise? Amazing, almost 10/10. World quest wise again, really good, solid 9. Archon quest wise, acts 1 and 2 were pretty good, acts 3 and 4 were fuckin peak, interlude was alright, act 5 sucked ass. Character wise honestly good too
Overall 8/10
LokianEule2026-01-12 13:52
Can we finally stop stirring up drama about Natlan? 🙄
It was a polarizing year. Now its over. Lets move on.
Argentumhedgie2026-01-12 13:54
Agree these posts are unnecessary
Miedziux2026-01-12 14:06
One look at OP's account and I know that it's just a drama bait for easy karma.
Xlegace2026-01-12 14:17
OP is a 6 day old account with -100 karma lol
Blatant engagement bait
AlienAngry2026-01-12 13:53
I loved Natlan, but I'm a little disappointed with the size of Nod-Krai. I hope they have bigger land maps instead of it being another island surrounded by tons of water.
Sage_the_Cage_Mage2026-01-12 13:56
never!
serious answer it was overall mid.
The main story was missing a real antagonist, and was really just a fairly simple anime shonen style story which is a big downgrade to how interesting and layered the story was in Sumeru and Fontaine.
The technology level of natlan is all over the place, more so than normal for genshin, they are super advanced yet super basic and tribalistic at the same time.
Personal Gripes:
* I Was not a fan of most of the character designs.
* they were setting out to improve the quality of the story presentation but it also felt rough like they were still learning to do it.
* land of war- although credit where it is due we did get the feel of having a war in the msq, the world itself did not have that feeling at all.
Rush1662026-01-12 14:03
There's nothing to admit; Natlan was a success like other regions, with its strengths and weaknesses.
People can say and think what they want, but this fact is objective and will not change.
N1GHTSTR1D3R2026-01-12 14:08
It was, and I'm tired pretending it was not.
Wrong-Ad-33832026-01-12 14:10
Way better than Fontaine imo
skeetyeeturlifedelet2026-01-12 14:11
I can finally admit that purely in terms of archon quests, if you're playing chronologically, you shouldn't quit the game at Natlan and it's worth pushing through cause Nod-Krai is very good
Leather_Horror66952026-01-12 14:12
amazing? debatable
bad? absolutely nahhh.
that is my take, but most important is i love that it feels the dev trying something new in natlan
X-AE174202026-01-12 14:12
After Fontaine flopped so hard it was a breath of fresh air tbh
Backfire22M2026-01-12 14:13
No. the story was poor and the characters are bland. Ororon and citali were the only good ones. at least nod krai has more interesting characters
the real question is, can we finally admit we are never going to get an agreement on this topic and move on?
No_Pickle25502026-01-12 14:15
no
moderate-Complex1522026-01-12 14:18
No. The story sucks.
_Tensa_Zangetsu_2026-01-12 14:21
no, it lacked impact for me, didn't feel nearly as good as any act in any region, especially coming from Fontaine, but that's my opinion, I felt that even the OST felt a bit lacking in the archon quests, world exploration and the stuff after defeating the dragon did feel better though, on the other side, everything in Natlan is my friend's favorite, so it's just preference
hatsu-232026-01-12 14:24
50 likes for 157 comments is an insane ratio bro😭🙏
Natlan is probably my fav or second fav region but it has its flaws and definitely isn't unanimous
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Don't really care about other people's opinion
Because I play game for my own enjoyment ✨
also fuck saurian coop events
Coming off the back of Fontaine it had big shoes to fill and I while I enjoyed the story of Fontaine better than Natlan I enjoyed Natlan more as a whole.
Well anyway, it wasn't bad but it fell short of all other regions to me
Fontaine is still goat, Followed by Sumeru or Nod Krai
But Natlan has modern story writing, which the early countries didn't have.
If you do a reroll and start the main story again you will see how aged the early writing was.
Natlan was a overall a disappointment to me compared to Sumeru and Fontaine. If it wasnt for 5.1 which was so absolutely incredible it felt like a finale as a whole, I wouldnt even place it much higher then any pre 3.0 quest.
That being said characters like Xilonen are surprisingly and even now, incredible characters with a lot of depth. Many of the character stories (Xilonen in paticular) were very enjoyable and the world quests of natlan were fantastic.
As for the technology stuff, only mauvika's bike bothered me.
>Or are you trying to insinuate that everyone who doesn't think Natlan was "amazing" is lying 💀
That is exactly what they are saying. They arent capable of nuanced thinking.
The Finale for Sumeru was in 3.2 and the Finale for Fontaine was 4.2.
Sumeru 3.3 had the Interlude, inversion of genesis, which I would put kinda separate from the Archon quest.
4.3 was fully disconnected from the Archon quest.
Kind of wish it hadn’t been missing EN voices though. That definitely took away from it.
- Environment
- prologue
Bad things from Natlan:
- others than Ororon and Citlali, most of the characters interaction was bland in AQ
- saurians was annoying to use, and stop giving us Saurian collecting coins event
- the climax was flat and rushed
- the hastag was cringe
It's still weird just how aggressively MHY pushed Mavuika.
Feels like no other Archon or "Archon" got that much pre-release Marketing
Completely erased that from my memory until this post.
Basically, it's just one of the new things Natlan tried.
Mavuika had gotten Multiple out-of-Game Marketing videos like this
https://youtu.be/3W0UgmygLfo
Columbina isn't quite getting that degree of focus
The marketing for Natlan in general was nothing like it was before but if we're being honest, it's the Saurians that got the most out of it.
Columbina is literally everywhere in the game and soon she's gonna be in the UI, I don't think there's a single patch where it wasn't dedicated to her and her screentime. They've also been spamming #GenshinMoonInvitation a lot recently, it's less catchy than #StandWithMavuika that's for sure.
You can argue that Mavuika has more infamy outside the game but Columbina's presence and back to back promotion is relentless and Mavuika could never compare to her at all.
None of those collabs got a Main-Channel marketing video.
Columbina is main focus of the Nod-Krai story, she IS story of Nod-Krai. It's just feel natural that she is main focus of promos for Nod-Krai.
But yeah. Chasca, Kinich and Mavuikas story didn’t quite do anything for me. They could’ve done much better, especially for the archon of the region
Xilonen SQ was peak tho.
But have to agree with rest of it.
From story perspective didn't helped to push "None fight alone in Natlan" and at same time having Pyro Archon trying to do everything alone...
\+All this voice "drama" made by VA
AQ:
Started low
Peaked in middle
went downhill from here.
Archon wise, Mavuika just wasn't anything I expected, and she's not it for me. For a human Archon she felt more inhuman than the others. Venti's obvious depression and hiding it under a cheery behavior, Old Guard Zhongli who's legit too old for this, Ei is the only one who felt more inhuman than Mavuika and that's because turns out she's literally not even the archon but a puppet, Nahida's obvious lack of self worth and need to find purpose, Furina's everything
Mavuika is simply a perfect Archon, with no signs of flaws or lackings, atleast as is shown in the archon quest and her story
I know people loved how Furina was presented but I found the heel turn to be too sharp and too heavy-handed, completely defanging her in the process. Mavuika being good at what she's supposed to do and sometimes being worryingly reckless that no one addresses because no one expects her to falter or fail.
That was literally the point.
>Venti's obvious depression and hiding it under a cheery behavior
Mavuika's obvious depression and hiding it under a steely behavior and suicidal ideation
Furina has no flaws. Nahida's only "flaw" is that she's young, and Zhongli's that he's old.
Mavuika has more flaws than the rest of the Archons put together, she just hides it well and Natlan's writing was genuinely better and more subtle than the rest of the game. We didn't have a Furina-tier backstory dump or Paimon repeating everything twice so you don't miss it, which is why you didn't get it. "Show don't tell" doesn't work on a fanbase used to having everything spelled out.
Despite how good it was at the time, it wasn't enough for me forgive the pacing coming to a screeching halt after the stunners that were Act 1 and 2.
People who think that Natlan was good, should stop acting like they're some persecuted minority or that their opinion is somehow niche.
People who don't like Natlan simply do not like it. Their differences in subjective taste and reasoning for not liking it are just as valid as those whose subjective taste and reasons made them like Natlan.
There is nothing that needs to be "admitted".
The only thing that needs to be done, is leave behind the needles discourse around 5.X
Also so what is the logic of it being "exhausting" and your response is to hate on everyone back and make assumptions and then also act as if everyone they disagree with is wrong?
Maybe its "exhausting" for us to always be told we should admit we were "wrong".
Pro-Natlan people were not isolated. The nations reception simply not *as* unanimous as previous nations. It's still largely well received. The only difference is that the faction that didn't receive it well, wasn't an invisible minority
Natlan probably was overhated to some point, but most of the time in the usual echo holes of the Internet (Twitter, partly some Rage bait YouTuber).
I don‘t agree with people on Twitter obviously, but I do admit, that I was a bit disappointed of the Archon quest.
It wasn‘t that bad, but I still think it didn‘t show it’s potential. It was ok, but could have been better.
IMO the Final Push into the Abyss should've been an immediate follow-up after the tides of war had turned.
Having 3 months between act 4 and act 5 killed a lot of the momentum that Act 5 implied to have.
That said, in this specific case, I think you’re right. This fandom generally isn’t engaging in anything resembling serious literary analysis, so most of what get presented as “criticism” or “praise” of Natlan ends up being, as you noted: subjective taste.
At the level of discourse we actually see here, “it worked for me” or “it didn’t work for me” is more than sufficient.
And “can we finally admit” is just the cherry on top. Admit *what*, exactly? Treating people who didn’t like, and conversly, those who did like Natlan as though they’re missing something, lying to themselves, or need to confess error is just egotistical on OP's part, and anyone else who's taking similar positions.
I'm not fully disagreeing with you, but on the other hand
"How much do those flaws matter to someone" and "are these things even perceived as flaws by people" *do* fall into matters of differences in subjective taste.
Like, a good chunk of discourse just felt like arguing over whether a mildly spicy pasta dish is just fine because it's only mild or flawed because it's only mild
I want more Xiuhcoatl please. I beg of you Hoyo. They truly cooked for WQ.
Like the characters are more bland the story more cliche and minus some exploration mechanics it’s not all that fun. The animals sucked to use too.
Which if it's just a preview, I vibe with it
If it wasn't for this terrible cast of designs, it would've dethroned Fontaine as my favorite region and even Fontaine has its issues.
I liked most characters though.
Edit. Oh and 70% of characters being mute is also absolute ass and unforgivable for multibilion$ company.
Well Yes, if you meant exploration and world quest, I guess I would agree with you.
If it‘s about the Archon quest specifically and characterization of Mavuika, then I don‘t.
The real PEAK was Fontaine, best Archon quest till date.
Best thing about natlan was the exploration and the wq series. Mavuika was a bit of a disappointment with the clunky bike gameplay
Mavuika was wasted. She had every element in place to stomp Furina in every department, so much potential for drama. A human-archon. Time-traveller. The inheritor of massive responsibilities, her predecessor was the fucking goat living legend Xbalanque. Instead she's captain america boy scout. Fucking kek.
Capitano was fucking wasted. He failed in every possible way but fashion sense.
The character conflicts were very ok. Since none of them had a history with already existing characters, everything felt very lame, isolated, colorless. The Benny summer adventure was pretty much the best part, ngl.
Exploration was best in show.
So... 7/10 for me. It was a very ok version.
Also, the beginning of the current horrendous power-creep. Its killing my desire to keep playing, ngl
Best exploration
Best playable characters (currently a Chasca Main)
Best music
Best visuals
Most fun I've had in genshin was Natlan (1500 day player)
Folks really had an "expectation vs. reality" moment with it, "this doesn't feel like Genshin" here and there and whatnot, and whatever outrage that almost disappeared during Nod-Krai.
I'm just glad they treated Traveler better in Natlan after F*ntaine.
For gameplay and power crept wise all of them fucked the cycle tbh
Mauvika powerlvl is reasonable enough cause she's an archon to some extent but tf u mean by a cowgirl who stole a 5 star spot ...eating 100 times a day is doing more damage than Raiden like how tf that makes sense she's like literally an archon???
Underwater exploration was a mile better than whatever they tried to do with Saurians.
Half of them being clunky to play didn't help.
The only interesting Saurian aka Qucusaurus was lobotomized before it was even released.
Ofc you could get the non clunky variants by getting Natlan 5* but where is fun in that.
Another thing is that the nations of teyvat isn't based on one country but multiple. Lot of people still miss that and assume their favorite country in the game is 100% accurate inspired in real life. Which funny enough, it's totally not.
I just don't like how much IRL stuff of today was shoved it, when it clearly doesn't match the theme the regions were going for. Ben 10 Game boy, gyaru with in-line skates and Mavuika do not fit into the tribal theme, they were going for with the region, whatsoever
Chasca and Ifa get somewhat of a pass since they still somewhat fit in their region's aesthetic
Citlali was nice at the beginning, but in her main quest, she's really crap, like the rest of the characters. And I have to say that Kinich and Mavuika deserve to be among the flattest characters ever.
Kinich is only good in terms of aesthetics, but his character is really awful. Ineffa, for me, isn't part of Natlan, even though it is part of Natlan... I repeat, very nice exploration, I liked it, they added fantastic QOL, Radiance, and more! But...
The rest is crap. Let's just thank the exploration for the QOL! Anyway, Xilonen has a really cool quest! That says it all! For Ineffa's Quest, it's more of an introduction to Nod Krai! I'm sorry, Ineffa, you're part of Natlan! I won't give any spoilers, guys! Have a good day!
I can definitely imagine people who pulled for the characters having fun with Natlan exploration though.
Edit: and honestly, if I did the story quest first I probably wouldn’t have pulled for Kinich either. Really liked his animations and skills but his character felt like he was non-existent. At least he made exploration somewhat bearable when I was actively grinding primogems to pull on the Liyue chronicled banner during the patch where it appeared.
Isn't the end of the world admit that she isn't so loved as like other Archons/important characters
If this was titled "I thought Natlan was amazing" and had even 2-3 sentences of thoughts instead of literally nothing, this thread would be a completely different thread, but OP was clearly looking for specific reactions and looking at the replies, they got what they wanted.
- She's (almost) a Mary sue with traits almost as worse if not equally worse. Her inner struggles were barely explored in-game, just a short video animation outside of it. Capitano doubted her once and it turned into him conveniently sacrificing himself with her fake death (Citlali's prophecy in case we're forgetting this) whom she should've paid the price of using Ronova's power on her own.
- the final battle is just mavuika and traveler without satisfying climactic showdown with other awakened heroes giving her buff from afar without participating.
- etc.
TLDR
No.
also is the mare jivari ever gonna become a legitimate region in the game
The earlier regions were a pain to explore when no one had exploration abilities and Sumeru's desert is infamously dry.
This was probably what made it worse for me, because I didn't like any of the natlan characters, and exploring without (most of) their buffs was *atrocious*.
I guess in the end it's personal preference. I loved getting lost in the Sumeru desert/pyramids. But the new general abilities sure are good.
The only 2 regions I don't have above 80% exploration rate.
Like we could imagine a worse region than Natlan, it's just that Monstad, Liyue, Sumeru and NosKrai (so far) are pretty damn good.
1. environment
2. exploration mechanism
3. world quests and lore
4. soundtrack (but apart from Skirk's edgy song, when has Hoyo missed?)
Natlan is the same
It wasn't *bad* but I think it did several things I didn't like while not doing anything to positively set it above the rest. I don't really have any fond memories of it, unlike the other nations.
Then again Nod Krai is quickly coming for the "most forgettable" crown.
They are the biggest instigator of region-locked mechanic to cuck team diversity, with Nod Krai and Mondstadt buff following suit.
And that's makes me sad because I liked the Two acts of the archon quest and then the third made me personally hate it.
I like the exploration but because I have Kinich, Mavuika and Citlali(I won't pull for Xilonen, I miss the buff for Mavuika but i won't pull her, I don't like her)
The archon of the nation who is supposed to be human feels very inhumane
But at least some people seem to like this region
Natlan was also the first summer event I’ve fully experienced so that’s helped cement its place as my favourite nation
It's like trying to post anything positive about the One Piece anime in r/OnePiece.
It's very overhated though.
One thing that i always find funny is that people thought the tribes were using Unga bunga weapons and fighting eachother like how Hollywood would have you believe.
Obviously there's also that small, noisy group that likes to hate Natlan (just like they hate anything else), but we ignore that part of the community (or at least we should).
Overall 8/10
It was a polarizing year. Now its over. Lets move on.
Blatant engagement bait
serious answer it was overall mid.
The main story was missing a real antagonist, and was really just a fairly simple anime shonen style story which is a big downgrade to how interesting and layered the story was in Sumeru and Fontaine.
The technology level of natlan is all over the place, more so than normal for genshin, they are super advanced yet super basic and tribalistic at the same time.
Personal Gripes:
* I Was not a fan of most of the character designs.
* they were setting out to improve the quality of the story presentation but it also felt rough like they were still learning to do it.
* land of war- although credit where it is due we did get the feel of having a war in the msq, the world itself did not have that feeling at all.
People can say and think what they want, but this fact is objective and will not change.
bad? absolutely nahhh.
that is my take, but most important is i love that it feels the dev trying something new in natlan
the real question is, can we finally admit we are never going to get an agreement on this topic and move on?
Natlan is probably my fav or second fav region but it has its flaws and definitely isn't unanimous
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