Imagine if tartagila is not in snezhnaya and just going training in abyss with skirk , all snezhnaya would have is literally rich visionless guy , an old elf grandpa politician and pierro aura farming while looking at renova
KaiFireborn212026-01-13 09:28
I mean frankly, at the power lever we're currently moving on, it doesn't make much difference if Childe's there or not... My boy really needs a powerup
kingEdward222026-01-13 09:29
Don't worry GOAT tartagila would vessel for the third desecedar revival and getting all gnosis , he will be the strongest character in genshin
MegaAssasine_2026-01-13 09:45
I wouldn't be suprised if it actually were the case. There are parallels between Saarelainen and the historical Ajax
Ewiwa_Moon2026-01-13 13:13
There's too many parallels for them to not be somewhat related in some way and with the existence of Durin and the importance of names and sharing a name, Childe, Ajax and Saaraleinen relations has to happen
Usernamenotta2026-01-13 10:24
Tartaglia has been training in the abyss and with the Narwhal since Fontaine. The guy must be a powerhouse by now
mad_laddie2026-01-13 11:31
Childe put up a decent fight against the Narwhal so I think he could be up there with some practice.
Thatcher_not_so_main2026-01-13 13:21
Without his vision, mind you
Longjumping_Plum_1332026-01-13 10:03
Given his current state of being, he’s Everything Everywhere All at Once. Dude is probably on a Bizarre Adventure
Nocturnal14012026-01-13 10:54
Say that again
kifune892026-01-13 10:29
Childe will be the biggest one soon, If tsaritsa collect all gnosis
LaughingHornet2026-01-13 10:39
Childe about to be the 11th of the Four Harbingers soon.
Deshik22026-01-13 11:41
Bro mysteriously skipped natlan and so far nod krai
FallenAngelII2026-01-13 13:02
I mean, it's not like he appeared in the Inazuma or Sumeru Archon Quests either. He just disappears from the story for years at a time.
CristevePeachFan2026-01-13 09:30
I feel baited, I wanted a real evil organization 😭😭😭
Yeah, I know the fatui are morally gray and each one have their specific motivations but still
1wbah2026-01-13 09:45
At least signora died as evil character and not redeemed to be playable.
Vegetto_ssj2026-01-13 10:32
What I hate, is that after that, they are trying to depict her like a good woman, just as a victim, but not playable
Extension_Papaya62342026-01-13 11:07
And yet they still try to portray her as morally gray (closer to white) who died a tragic death
Most_Volume30352026-01-13 11:37
It seems like now they only talk about good sides of her. Yet I still remember how her Fatui subordinates were afraid of her in mondstadt missions.
Most_Volume30352026-01-13 11:09
She got a bit redemption after her death with tea parties friends lore and Columbina’s, Arlecchino’s voicelines. But anyways, now it is Dottore time to end as a villain
GGG1002026-01-13 09:45
That’s what the Five Sinners are for.
romp0m812026-01-13 09:49
The Sinners aren’t an organization, they have had very little presence in the story compared to the Fatui who have been in every region.
Also, one of the sinners, Rhinedottir, is being treated as a good or gray person despite the horrible things she’s done so Sinners might go the way of the Fatui
IxravenxI2026-01-13 09:51
nah I won't count on them either.
Asuru_2026-01-13 09:57
As if Rhine isn't about to be redeemable to be playable lol
Ill_Abbreviations5462026-01-13 09:48
Same. Now I'm just hoping heavenly principles and all sinners are evil at least and we get to fight them.
kokatoto2026-01-13 10:03
Then you’ll be disappointed, because heavenly principle or Phanes has never been depicted as pure evil in lore. It’d be interesting as a plot twist but there has been no indication to suggest that
The_Lone_Wanderer_042026-01-13 10:19
Have you even read the lore at all? The heavenly principles has never been depicted as evil and the sinners are a mixed bag as we always knew with Albedos introduction
GGG1002026-01-13 10:22
The Heavenly Principles is a despot who cursed an entire race of his creations just because one of them messed up.
fun_hung2026-01-13 09:52
There’s been a surprising amount of apathy towards the whitewashing of the Fatui as of late, that makes me think the group as a whole had very little fans and what people only ever cared about was specific Harbinger designs they saw in that trailer.
I suppose if you viewed the likes of Columbina, Sandrone, Arlecchino as waifus first and members of an international villain group second, it doesn’t really matter how serious they are or how well they represent their organization’s interests because their role in the story is only secondary to their purpose of being beloved characters you want to pull for. And while the game definitely succeeds at that, it fails to make them or the Fatui as compelling as originally presented during the game’s early years, and that’s the crux of what r/FatuiHQ has been mourning for the longest time.
Wild_Temperature_6102026-01-13 10:05
When r/FatuiHQ was created, the harbingers aren't like this. People keep calling that sub's member's whiny or "switching sides" but you have to understand: Back then, the Fatui were hyped.
Arlerchino is rumored to be this insane and cold sociopath, Columbina is allegedly a biblically accurate angel. Sandrone is said to be a yandere of sorts according to leaks.
Now look at what we got. We don't even know what Sandrone did to be a Harbinger at all. Columbina is just a moon battery, and Alerchino... I guest she's has a soft side? But to go to tea parties and put on costumes... Isn't it a bit much?
The writing really downgraded. If you want a light hearted adventure where the good guys always win and get all the waifus, then I guess you wouldn't see anything wrong. But all the female Harbinger (and according to leaks, the Tsaritsa too) have a massive drop in aura and writing quality, which really kills many people's interest in them, mine included.
The_Lone_Wanderer_042026-01-13 10:17
Quality ≠ expectations. Just because they aren't what your fanfic is does not make their writing bad.
Arlechino is a well written character, just because she is not the psychopath you envisioned does not make her writing or character bad.
Columbina is well written, just because she isn't the "biblically" acurate angel you imagined doesn't make her a bad character, just not what you wanted.
Columbina and Arlechino are 100% accurate to what we saw in winter night lazzo, you all saw Arlechino dissaprove of the Harbingers not treating Signoras funeral with due respect and somehow decided she is a heartless murderous psychopath? Really?
All we saw of Columbina was her singing and embracing Signoras grave, thats it nothing biblical angel about that just a person mourning.
And at this point we have almost nothing on Sandrone, outside of her liking Columbina, Signora and Arlechino.
All im seeing is people made up fanfics of what they wanted and when reality did not match their fanfics they got mad, no different than shippers getting mad when their fanfic couples are not canon like Deku and Bakugo shippers etc.
kifune892026-01-13 10:24
Agreed
2Pilha2026-01-13 10:18
Fatui fans live off of Headcanons and fanfics lmao
mistress_kisara2026-01-13 10:21
wHeRe is my muH dArk & edgY? 🥴
LolLmaoEven2026-01-13 10:23
If you're only interested in characters being comically evil, then this casual adventure gacha game might not be for you, and getting angry about it is pretty stupid.
Wild_Temperature_6102026-01-13 10:30
I supposed so. I guess it's called a gacha game because it makes us invest ourself into it. It's frustrating to see your expectations not met, and the hype wasn't worth it.
Dark_Dragon1172026-01-13 10:24
>sorts according to leaks.
Did people base iff their expectations entirely on leaks tho? If so then that was their mistake, because leaks are never guranteed to be true or end up as the final version.
Furthermore we only really heard about the Harbingers from other people and of course outsiders might describe them differently. Until we meet them in game and due to circumstances get to know them better.
Either way I really only wanted to say that the writing didn't rrally downgrade, because it was always shit. With Sumerus release I stopped giving a shit and just started to skip everything. Best decision I could gave made.
Ok_Tie_14282026-01-13 10:06
Its kinda neatly accurate to the play on which the fatui are based though, which is kinda cool.
Fun-Performer-34412026-01-13 10:09
I agree
Whilyam2026-01-13 10:12
I hate the neutering of the Fatui as much as the next guy, but it's been clear from launch that the Fatui aren't all bad and, likely, are on some kind of morally good mission against the Heavenly Principles that made it very easy to go "ahh but this Childe guy is one of the good ones" etc. So IDK what they're mourning.
GDOverlorder2026-01-13 10:41
We knew they were not all mustache twirling villains of course, but they were introduced as an antagonistic group (and even when Scara deserted he played the role of an antagonist for quite a while). It was very reasonable to assume the majority of them would serve as an antagonist at some point in the story, before becoming friendly at least.
And while the Fatui and the Harbingers obviously had a noble goal, the fun part was that they were not at all noble in their methods. Yeah, it was obvious we would join up with them at some point, but for me at least it feels extremely rushed how they are trying to get to that point suddenly.
It feels like they had no clue how to handle the moral issues that come from having such characters be allied to us (despite the Traveler not exactly being a moral paragon in world quests) so they just sweep any potentially dark aspect of them under the rug, which in turn neuters them to be way less interesting as characters.
The_Lone_Wanderer_042026-01-13 10:25
What their mourning is their fanfic not the early game.
Nothing about Columbina, Sandrone or Arlechino we have contradicts anything we saw in winter nights Lazzo.
In that very trailer we have Arlechino hating on the other harbingers for not respecting Signoras death enough.
All columbina did was sing and mourn, and when we meet her she sings and is sad? Wow really not like winter nights lazzo at all right?
Sandrone is 1 for 1 as she was in the trailer aswell, rude and harsh now we just know she likes some of her co workers which really shouldn't be a suprise.
Fatui HQ wanted a evil organization with 1 dimensional comedically evil villians, they wanted everyone to be Dottore which would have been boring as hell.
Not to say they haven't fumbled like they did Capitano who was really underussed but the others where well written for what they are even if they are not the 1 dimensional villians you wanted
fun_hung2026-01-13 10:31
>Not to say they haven't fumbled like they did Capitano who was really underussed but the others where well written for what they are even if they are not the 1 dimensional villians you wanted
So instead they’re one-dimensional good guys who don’t have to answer for anything whatsoever? What purpose does the Fatui have for even existing, then?
kifune892026-01-13 10:33
It was redemption arc too bad Signora don't experience that
LolLmaoEven2026-01-13 10:45
Giving these characters personalities and making them something other than cartoonish moustache-twirling villains is not "whitewashing" them. It's making them seem more real.
It seems to me that FatuiHQ's idea of Harbingers were these evil supersoldiers, eternally loyal (to the point of brainwashing) to their evil queen, with zero thoughts and ambitions of their own. I'm glad we didn't get that. Leave that concept for the children's cartoons or marvel movies.
JorniMan12026-01-13 11:11
I feel like they were always pushing the boundaries of how they can change them to good people ever since the amazing reception of the Winter Night's Lazzo. Redeeming Wanderer was the first step. But Arlecchino being an "actually she's not a bad person at all" and the positive reactions to it gave them the green light to just make the remaining harbingers that were popular on that video good people, namely Capitano, Columbina and Sandrone. They can't change Dottore and Childe because they're already established, and nobody gaf about Pantalone and Pulchinella, so they're highly likely to be antagonistic. Pierro is a toss up tbh.
Lowkey I miss their villainy vibe but I completely changed my expectations for them once it was obvious it wasn't going in that direction for the foreseeable future. Evil or not, if they're well written, I'll like them
DarkCh40s2026-01-13 09:57
I've lost track on who the overall villain of Genshin is.
Next_Investigator_692026-01-13 10:27
The abyss? It always has been so
hikufalafel2026-01-13 10:02
Isnt this par for the course for evil organisations?
Members slowly being chipped away as the mc nearing the climax of the story?
And it's not like the are the endgame.
kifune892026-01-13 10:35
It's like Naruto Shippuden, when you almost last story everyone in Akatsuki it's either death.
Colico24452026-01-13 11:28
Fatui fans should be grateful, its actually easier for hoyo to kill them one by one because of their villain role
Ewiwa_Moon2026-01-13 13:15
At the very list some wvil organisations that has their members leave from what I can think of at least showed them plenty of times as a member. Meanwhile aside from Lazzo that isnt even in the game, we have never seen Columbina as a Fatui. Not to mention we find out she basically only provides her power and does nothing else these few hundred years
kujah_0h2026-01-13 13:42
The way they went down is what people seem to be complaining about, and honestly, I agree. Capitano felt wasted since he did little until they needed a kamikaze to stalemate Ronova the plot device, so he never really got to display his character.
The whole bit with Columbia and the Palestar edict was also slightly confusing because it was such a compelling order with the Tsaritsa directly backing it, so wouldn't Arle and Sandrone opposing Dottore be insubordination? The level of autonomy the Tsaritsa's allowed just creates confusion on what the point of this was all in first place. The Fatui are wasting resources fighting themselves and Tsaritsa has never undone the rule to let the Harbinger have at each other.
Dottore's trying to become a god, yet also forcing the false sky open and is probably the first capability the Tsaritsa needs to fight heavenly principles beyond the false sky.
I think it would make sense if in Sneznhaya both Arle and Sandrone would be reprimanded with Arle going back to the Hearth to protect her children in case Pulcinella lobbies for something drastic while Sandrone's funds get cut short, and without the kuuvahki experimental design bureau, a big portion of her warfighting capacity is lost so the Traveller will have to be alone for a bit.
Childe's loyalty to his former benefactor in Pulci and him trying to balance his duty, his conscience, and protecting his vulnerable family would make an interesting dilemma.
MegaAssasine_2026-01-13 10:07
I present to you: The Abyss Order
kokko6932026-01-13 10:12
As soon as people spoke about Tsaritsa everybody said she was kind
Fatuis was never meant to be an evil organisation, especially if every country let those "diplomats" enter their ground.
They are morally gray yep
Mana_Croissant2026-01-13 10:19
Fatui IS an evil organization, filled with evil (Dottore, pre redemption Scara) morally gray (Arle, Sandrone) and good/borderline good (Columbina, Capitano) people. Same goes for their grunts
kokko6932026-01-13 11:04
My conception of evil is that either you are totally evil, or if you have some bits of good then you are gray
Thus Fatui is not evil but gray
And I mean, their goal is to get the gnosis, but as we can see in Liyue AQ, they can negotiate it without harming anyone. Not evil action there
Vanthraa2026-01-13 11:02
The problem is that the fatui all over Teyvat are treated AS the bad guys, with only a minority of them being good.
DeathByDevastator2026-01-13 10:15
atp they aren't even morally grey in hoyos eyes.
Such a mishandled group. The agents in the chasm were done better than the harbingers.
YaneFrick2026-01-13 10:19
For being "gray" they need at least showed some dark side. Like what "gray" about Capitano? Arlechino? Sandrone? Columbia? All of them just a good, without any hint about their "evil" part.
LettuceBenis2026-01-13 10:52
An issue too is that while they try to paint all the Harbingers as grey, so many characters just turn snezhnophobic the moment a Fatuus (or even any Snezhnayan for that matter) shows up
Perfect_Increase87922026-01-13 10:53
They said gray "organisation" not people but even so arle ? Raised a child soldier,sandrone?fatui representatives as colonizer for nod krai,
kifune892026-01-13 10:32
Did you still remember Childe said, every Fatui Harbinger has different motivation why their join the organization.
rathosalpha2026-01-13 11:04
Well there dottore. I haven't seen him in the game since I got stuck on the chasm for several years but in the Manga hes absolutely ruthless
al_jose3712026-01-13 09:39
We are still missing #10
Mysticbean64012026-01-13 09:41
never existed
GGG1002026-01-13 09:46
It’s reserved for the Traveler.
whiteee1012026-01-13 10:17
Doubt. I got a hunch they are going to pull a Yammy Espada #10 #0
TetraNeuron2026-01-13 10:49
After getting up from the chair, Capitano reveals #1 is actually short for #10 because he is narcoleptic
ggezzzzzzzz2026-01-13 09:46
Maybe soon to be #10 is in NK helping former #3 go to the moon, just my prediction.
RegretfulChoice2026-01-13 10:00
Remember when people speculated Ororon is #10, lol.
MegaAssasine_2026-01-13 10:06
At this point, which Genshin Character except the other Harbingers was never speculated to be #10?
Overall-Brush-20532026-01-13 10:11
I still suspect its Yaoyao.
RedditStrider2026-01-13 11:30
I heard its Klee
Organic-Army-90462026-01-13 12:40
I heard it’s ielloC
Dazzling_Ad34082026-01-13 12:51
Nah, Timmy
Comfortable_Shape8852026-01-13 12:07
It's sigewinne gang (trust me)
DawgDictator2026-01-13 12:23
I mean, why else would she have bond of life???? explain that doubters
WastePermission96202026-01-13 12:45
By that logic Clorinde is a competitor for the spot
The-Cult-Of-Poot2026-01-13 13:02
Finally some interesting lore for Clorinde, I'd support that
Ke5_Jun2026-01-13 14:04
Ororon honestly did kinda make sense at the time (remember this was before we knew he was a cabbage growing grandson goober).
Why did #10 never show up at all until Natlan? Because he was Natlanese, who couldn’t leave Natlan because of losing the Wayobs’ protection. Being so low ranked, he likely wouldn’t have the power to defy these rules like the god tier harbingers.
Why would a random Natlanese be seen with Capitano in all his promo material until now? Well he is either working with the Fatui or he is one.
Ororon’s vision casing is also silver, which is quite rare and all Fatui we knew of had a silver casing to their vision/delusion as well.
I wouldn’t have been surprised if Ororon did turn out to be the 10th.
Pinoy_20042026-01-13 10:15
That's Rhinedottir's seat.
get_on_with_life2026-01-13 11:11
Sinner, Shade, Hexenzirkel, apparently Fatui… what’s next, being an Archon?
The_Ninja_Allay2026-01-13 11:51
It'll be revealed Rhinedottir is tsaritsa's real name
ZeomiumRune2026-01-13 12:16
Well that explains the war crimes way too perfectly
morningsun_122026-01-13 14:24
Rhinedottir joining every single group and gathering their namecards for a majestic introduction.
arseholierthanthou2026-01-13 14:55
Alice's pop-up magical intro card for each Hexenzirkel witch for Rhinedottir is going to read TL;DR
Able_Force_37172026-01-13 10:28
Imagine it's just being an inside joke of how bad of a harbinger Childe is that instead of getting the 10th seat he was so pathetic that they gave him the eleventh title as a joke.
orangera2n2026-01-13 12:45
I actually think it was the previous knave/mother of the house of hearth tbh
Spoopy_Kirei2026-01-13 13:35
Also number 6 is missing and no one knows why it's been empty for years.
makjep2026-01-13 09:42
I wish for Hoyo to suddenly introduce new harbingers replacing empty seats
BellalovesEevee2026-01-13 10:00
We do have #10 that's been empty from the start, so there's *some* hope
FlyingFreest2026-01-13 10:21
I imagine the tsaritsa is gonna try and get the traveller to fill it given how the other harbingers we’ve encountered have all been people with advanced supernatural abilities.
3383882026-01-13 11:56
Don't forget #6 which is also just mysteriously empty
Mystic9871232026-01-13 12:23
I don't get why any harbinger nor the tsaritsa ever think who is the sixth harbinger?
Martian_on_the_Moon2026-01-13 12:11
Overall, it is weird that despite calling themselves Eleven Fatui Harbingers, they never had 11 Harbingers at once.
LeAstra2026-01-13 12:30
A funnier and somewhat cruel theory is that the other Harbingers never had a 10th seat to distance themselves from Childe
Childe never saw the implied insult, perfectly content with his seat
kifune892026-01-13 10:30
It might gonna happen
Sibiq2026-01-13 10:40
Oops, all Dottore!
rathosalpha2026-01-13 11:02
I never considered that since arlecchino's backstory proved that is possible it technically could happen but you could have more intrigue?
Malschaun22026-01-13 11:11
That'll happen in Genshin 19.0. Yeah, Genshin will go for a while. lol
JackPriston2026-01-13 09:45
But Arlechino still part of this group isn’t?
affinixmusic2026-01-13 09:49
she will betray Tsaritsa, that's her whole deal and 50% of her character from day 1
kokko6932026-01-13 10:31
Yes but not directly
She hates 3 other harbingers, Pulcinella, Pantalone and Dottore. She wants to beat their asses but can't because there is a rule forbidding it. Since Tsaritsa doesn't look like she will lift this rule / there is no time, she will attack Dottore and so the fatuis organization as whole.
Else, she didn't seems to dislike Tsaritsa or her goal.
But yeah sending her kids in the meatgrinder mustn't not make her happy lol
RedditStrider2026-01-13 11:33
Considering Tsaritsa will be playable, I am sure they will find a way to make her "not-so-evil" like they did with every villain we met. They will shift her into another cutesy waifu the way they did to Raiden and Arlecc.
Electronic-Math-3642026-01-13 13:15
Meanwhile in ZZZ they pulled a Signora not once but twice
Electronic_Grass_1412026-01-13 13:07
I feel Arlecchino is more loyal than we thought.
She just puts HoH over the Fatui, which doesn't seem to be abnormal from what we saw.
affinixmusic2026-01-13 09:48
what even is the point man. hoyo writers are the real fools
IHeartBadCode2026-01-13 09:57
Something tells me that the Fatui were just pawns all along.
BigBoss828912026-01-13 10:49
Look, when half your ranks either switched sides or are dead due to 1 guy and that was *before* your crazy ass doctor colleague decided it was a "good idea" to take the guy's girlfriend which is also your colleague hostage then subsequently *lost* said hostage to another dimension because she's trying to get away from your crazy ass and now the guy and all her friends in the org is now livid and raring to beat him and anyone else that stands their way 5 ways to sunday, you'll jump ship too.
Next_Investigator_692026-01-13 10:00
Who knew calling your organization the fools would make people want to ditch it xD
kifune892026-01-13 10:35
Everyone has different motivation to join the Fatui Harbinger.
hyrulia2026-01-13 10:03
NodKrai isn't finished yet
anxientdesu2026-01-13 10:14
youre right, we still have time to remove childe from the harbingers fr
Sahiku12026-01-13 10:09
By her name we will seize authority from the gods
Dottore seizes authority from the gods
Tsarita: no too evil and dangerous get lost
ErenYeager6002026-01-13 11:15
I mean Dottore is still a lose cannon. That's not even a retcon.
I wouldn't want that kind of dude to have it either
KaedeP_222026-01-13 10:10
...do people really expect the harbingers to be fully intact for the (at the moment) penultimate arc of the archon quest? or just doesn't expect that they lost that many harbingers?
to be quite honest i actually expected them losing 1 harbinger after each nation. which is within expectation so far.
2Pilha2026-01-13 10:22
No no you gotta understand, hoyo writers HAVE to stay true to my fanfics! Otherwise im FINISHED
kifune892026-01-13 10:31
I expecting that too, each Fatui Harbinger it's either lose or die during confrontation
_Resnad_2026-01-13 11:13
Them losing yes but the fact that the whole organization fell apart and so... What's the endgame here? Like at this point we have phanes and the abyss. The fatui seem to be mostly useless now after natlan. The heavy hitters are all gone. (capitano, dottore, columbina) so what is left for the harbingers? What's pantalone gonna do? Throw money at us? He can topple the whole world economy yes. Then what's the rooster gonna do? He's weaker than arle. Childe has potential to be the new foul.
So we're at a point where the organisation has only PIERRO and the tsaritsa. Like what's up with the Pyro gnosis? What's up with the endgame plan? Or project stuldza or whatever?
I was so exited about them even after arlechinno. But then natlan they basically took çapı out of the game. And then every next harbinger we've seen is basically a goofy goose. As if no one remembers the bad they did.
I swear though... If the 10th harbinger is the traveler I'm gonna go insane...
ebalonabol2026-01-13 10:26
haha, harbringers are basically left with only Childe, and maybe Arlecchino being able to actually do shit to take the pyro Gnosis. Would be even funnier if Arlecchino suddenly deserted and Childe became the Mr Fixit of the fatui
Electronic-Math-3642026-01-13 13:26
Imagine We finally reach Snezhaya and Arlecchino reveal she deserted
kifune892026-01-13 10:27
All the Fatui Harbinger has different motivation to join this group. It's already emphasize by Childe, he just want battle who are the strongest.
We doesn't know the 10th Fatui Harbinger, are we sure the Fatui Harbinger is only group under by Tsaritsa order ?
Nino_sanjaya2026-01-13 10:35
So that's why r/FatuiHQ malding
_Resnad_2026-01-13 11:18
Yes. Since Fontaine fatui HQ has been on a constant down. Every harbinger after that has either not followed orders, went Mia or joined the traveler as a waifu in their harem.
The organization has fallen into chaos and so has the headquarters. At least the sub name feels cannon.
Ecstatic-Source60012026-01-13 14:08
Tbf i would be mad too.
The whole goal of harbingers is to take down gods authority and when Dottore doing exactly that, Tsaritsa and other harbingers be like: "brother, not cool"
What even the point of harbingers at this point?
7Accel2026-01-13 10:41
Akatsuki be like. Konoha really didn't like them that much.
Just_a_captain_III2026-01-13 10:41
Goatpitano will be back to revive the organisation trust. (Please Hoyo I need this, my Harbingers are kinda non existent. I live with the Tsaritsa I wanna help her out.)
_Resnad_2026-01-13 11:15
If the rumors are true even the tsaritsa is a fraud. I'm here rooting for the one who holds the most grudges PIERRO the goat himself.
Sayu_TheOG2026-01-13 10:46
Why is childe there? Shouldnt he be literally anywhere else?
Upstairs-Mess45072026-01-13 14:32
He is part of Project Stuzha (which means project extreme cold).... together with Pulcinella and Pantalone.
MaximumDuwang2026-01-13 10:48
Despite this, Childe will continue to be 11th out of the 3
Upstairs-Mess45072026-01-13 14:33
And Pantalone is 9th of 3 and Pulcinella 5th of 3.
The_Tizioo2026-01-13 10:55
One of them Is not even here for the Plan, he Just wants to run fades with the phanes
Pierro isn't counted amongst the 11, so its already only 3 in OPs pic
Upstairs-Mess45072026-01-13 11:12
Childe has too suffer through Pantalone's unending yapping....
Upstairs-Mess45072026-01-13 11:13
Childe's beta descriptions will be real someday. The last harbinger of the Tsaritsa. Not bc he is ranked last, he will be the last remaining.
Extension_Papaya62342026-01-13 11:14
Wait untill we learn Pulcinella left the Fatui off screen and now works as a midget clown in Snezhayan circus (he's a playable 4 star)
BaconTifo2026-01-13 11:22
My slightly morally grey organisation
Krii100fer2026-01-13 11:26
Waifu bait syndrome hit them strong 💔
Nisqyfan2026-01-13 11:35
I may be in the minority but I actually *like* this. It’s demonstrating the intrinsic problem of the Fatui Harbingers as an organisation and a personal failing of the Tsaritsa.
If you’re going to build an organisation full of larger than life personalities like the Fatui Harbingers you need to actually put in the work to socialise them and keep them all working toward the same goal. What little we know about the Tsaritsa so far indicates she’s *very* standoffish and removed from her subjects. The Harbingers are already fallen to pieces by the time we reach Snezhnaya because the Tsaritsa didn’t have the interpersonal skill to make the group work.
archnemesis042026-01-13 11:42
Lmao they really do look like a full-on cartoon villain board meeting, Snezhnaya is gonna be wild when we finally get there
harryno52026-01-13 13:20
Childe the 11th seat in the group of 4 Harbringers, and one of them is Director with no number allocated to him.
I'm starting to doubt if the next arc will have Fatui as the main antagonist, because they are not looking too threatening right now, with the exception of the Tsar herself and Pierro. Maybe there will be a third faction, the rebels, the Fatuis and third bigger threat.
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Yeah, I know the fatui are morally gray and each one have their specific motivations but still
Also, one of the sinners, Rhinedottir, is being treated as a good or gray person despite the horrible things she’s done so Sinners might go the way of the Fatui
I suppose if you viewed the likes of Columbina, Sandrone, Arlecchino as waifus first and members of an international villain group second, it doesn’t really matter how serious they are or how well they represent their organization’s interests because their role in the story is only secondary to their purpose of being beloved characters you want to pull for. And while the game definitely succeeds at that, it fails to make them or the Fatui as compelling as originally presented during the game’s early years, and that’s the crux of what r/FatuiHQ has been mourning for the longest time.
Arlerchino is rumored to be this insane and cold sociopath, Columbina is allegedly a biblically accurate angel. Sandrone is said to be a yandere of sorts according to leaks.
Now look at what we got. We don't even know what Sandrone did to be a Harbinger at all. Columbina is just a moon battery, and Alerchino... I guest she's has a soft side? But to go to tea parties and put on costumes... Isn't it a bit much?
The writing really downgraded. If you want a light hearted adventure where the good guys always win and get all the waifus, then I guess you wouldn't see anything wrong. But all the female Harbinger (and according to leaks, the Tsaritsa too) have a massive drop in aura and writing quality, which really kills many people's interest in them, mine included.
Arlechino is a well written character, just because she is not the psychopath you envisioned does not make her writing or character bad.
Columbina is well written, just because she isn't the "biblically" acurate angel you imagined doesn't make her a bad character, just not what you wanted.
Columbina and Arlechino are 100% accurate to what we saw in winter night lazzo, you all saw Arlechino dissaprove of the Harbingers not treating Signoras funeral with due respect and somehow decided she is a heartless murderous psychopath? Really?
All we saw of Columbina was her singing and embracing Signoras grave, thats it nothing biblical angel about that just a person mourning.
And at this point we have almost nothing on Sandrone, outside of her liking Columbina, Signora and Arlechino.
All im seeing is people made up fanfics of what they wanted and when reality did not match their fanfics they got mad, no different than shippers getting mad when their fanfic couples are not canon like Deku and Bakugo shippers etc.
Did people base iff their expectations entirely on leaks tho? If so then that was their mistake, because leaks are never guranteed to be true or end up as the final version.
Furthermore we only really heard about the Harbingers from other people and of course outsiders might describe them differently. Until we meet them in game and due to circumstances get to know them better.
Either way I really only wanted to say that the writing didn't rrally downgrade, because it was always shit. With Sumerus release I stopped giving a shit and just started to skip everything. Best decision I could gave made.
And while the Fatui and the Harbingers obviously had a noble goal, the fun part was that they were not at all noble in their methods. Yeah, it was obvious we would join up with them at some point, but for me at least it feels extremely rushed how they are trying to get to that point suddenly.
It feels like they had no clue how to handle the moral issues that come from having such characters be allied to us (despite the Traveler not exactly being a moral paragon in world quests) so they just sweep any potentially dark aspect of them under the rug, which in turn neuters them to be way less interesting as characters.
Nothing about Columbina, Sandrone or Arlechino we have contradicts anything we saw in winter nights Lazzo.
In that very trailer we have Arlechino hating on the other harbingers for not respecting Signoras death enough.
All columbina did was sing and mourn, and when we meet her she sings and is sad? Wow really not like winter nights lazzo at all right?
Sandrone is 1 for 1 as she was in the trailer aswell, rude and harsh now we just know she likes some of her co workers which really shouldn't be a suprise.
Fatui HQ wanted a evil organization with 1 dimensional comedically evil villians, they wanted everyone to be Dottore which would have been boring as hell.
Not to say they haven't fumbled like they did Capitano who was really underussed but the others where well written for what they are even if they are not the 1 dimensional villians you wanted
So instead they’re one-dimensional good guys who don’t have to answer for anything whatsoever? What purpose does the Fatui have for even existing, then?
It seems to me that FatuiHQ's idea of Harbingers were these evil supersoldiers, eternally loyal (to the point of brainwashing) to their evil queen, with zero thoughts and ambitions of their own. I'm glad we didn't get that. Leave that concept for the children's cartoons or marvel movies.
Lowkey I miss their villainy vibe but I completely changed my expectations for them once it was obvious it wasn't going in that direction for the foreseeable future. Evil or not, if they're well written, I'll like them
Members slowly being chipped away as the mc nearing the climax of the story?
And it's not like the are the endgame.
The whole bit with Columbia and the Palestar edict was also slightly confusing because it was such a compelling order with the Tsaritsa directly backing it, so wouldn't Arle and Sandrone opposing Dottore be insubordination? The level of autonomy the Tsaritsa's allowed just creates confusion on what the point of this was all in first place. The Fatui are wasting resources fighting themselves and Tsaritsa has never undone the rule to let the Harbinger have at each other.
Dottore's trying to become a god, yet also forcing the false sky open and is probably the first capability the Tsaritsa needs to fight heavenly principles beyond the false sky.
I think it would make sense if in Sneznhaya both Arle and Sandrone would be reprimanded with Arle going back to the Hearth to protect her children in case Pulcinella lobbies for something drastic while Sandrone's funds get cut short, and without the kuuvahki experimental design bureau, a big portion of her warfighting capacity is lost so the Traveller will have to be alone for a bit.
Childe's loyalty to his former benefactor in Pulci and him trying to balance his duty, his conscience, and protecting his vulnerable family would make an interesting dilemma.
Fatuis was never meant to be an evil organisation, especially if every country let those "diplomats" enter their ground.
They are morally gray yep
Thus Fatui is not evil but gray
And I mean, their goal is to get the gnosis, but as we can see in Liyue AQ, they can negotiate it without harming anyone. Not evil action there
Such a mishandled group. The agents in the chasm were done better than the harbingers.
Why did #10 never show up at all until Natlan? Because he was Natlanese, who couldn’t leave Natlan because of losing the Wayobs’ protection. Being so low ranked, he likely wouldn’t have the power to defy these rules like the god tier harbingers.
Why would a random Natlanese be seen with Capitano in all his promo material until now? Well he is either working with the Fatui or he is one.
Ororon’s vision casing is also silver, which is quite rare and all Fatui we knew of had a silver casing to their vision/delusion as well.
I wouldn’t have been surprised if Ororon did turn out to be the 10th.
Childe never saw the implied insult, perfectly content with his seat
She hates 3 other harbingers, Pulcinella, Pantalone and Dottore. She wants to beat their asses but can't because there is a rule forbidding it. Since Tsaritsa doesn't look like she will lift this rule / there is no time, she will attack Dottore and so the fatuis organization as whole.
Else, she didn't seems to dislike Tsaritsa or her goal.
But yeah sending her kids in the meatgrinder mustn't not make her happy lol
She just puts HoH over the Fatui, which doesn't seem to be abnormal from what we saw.
Dottore seizes authority from the gods
Tsarita: no too evil and dangerous get lost
I wouldn't want that kind of dude to have it either
to be quite honest i actually expected them losing 1 harbinger after each nation. which is within expectation so far.
So we're at a point where the organisation has only PIERRO and the tsaritsa. Like what's up with the Pyro gnosis? What's up with the endgame plan? Or project stuldza or whatever?
I was so exited about them even after arlechinno. But then natlan they basically took çapı out of the game. And then every next harbinger we've seen is basically a goofy goose. As if no one remembers the bad they did.
I swear though... If the 10th harbinger is the traveler I'm gonna go insane...
We doesn't know the 10th Fatui Harbinger, are we sure the Fatui Harbinger is only group under by Tsaritsa order ?
The organization has fallen into chaos and so has the headquarters. At least the sub name feels cannon.
The whole goal of harbingers is to take down gods authority and when Dottore doing exactly that, Tsaritsa and other harbingers be like: "brother, not cool"
What even the point of harbingers at this point?
If you’re going to build an organisation full of larger than life personalities like the Fatui Harbingers you need to actually put in the work to socialise them and keep them all working toward the same goal. What little we know about the Tsaritsa so far indicates she’s *very* standoffish and removed from her subjects. The Harbingers are already fallen to pieces by the time we reach Snezhnaya because the Tsaritsa didn’t have the interpersonal skill to make the group work.
I'm starting to doubt if the next arc will have Fatui as the main antagonist, because they are not looking too threatening right now, with the exception of the Tsar herself and Pierro. Maybe there will be a third faction, the rebels, the Fatuis and third bigger threat.
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