How do you think Hoyo could shed their image of "greediness"?

I feel like the recent [Columbina ad](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fsaw-this-in-akihabara-station-in-tokyo-today-v0-be843nngxwcg1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dcf89c8bbdb53f9b609e6df6b75b6dda2c77f9101) at the Akihabara train station in Japan makes me wonder why they only put the redeem codes that contains no primogems in public, where usually ads for major characters in gacha games would usually come with "xxx free rolls" promotions or something like that so more players would like to try your game, or satisfy the fans who have been playing your game for a long time.

And now it seems like the "greedy" image for the company would increase with the addition of Miliastra outfit gacha. I wonder what could the company do to reduce this image without ruining their bottom dollar, since the image of hoyo, at least in my country, is "greedy as hell compared to other gacha game companies", most likely due to the lack of giving free rolls or primos when compared to other gacha games.

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Riersa2026-01-14 22:22

Why do you care about a company image?

mr_beanoz2026-01-14 22:24

Because it would also be associated with the game's fanbase, like saying the fans would just eat up whatever the company's offering without much complaining.

Riersa2026-01-14 22:41

Life is so much easier if you don't listen to some random people opinion.

mr_beanoz2026-01-14 22:43

But life would be harder if you ignore every opinions since sometimes those random opinions are actually helpful.

Riersa2026-01-14 22:55

Ask yourself this question, is this opinion

> like saying the fans would just eat up whatever the company's offering without much complaining.

Helpful in any way?

mr_beanoz2026-01-14 22:57

Well, on making decisions on how to treat your fans?

Riersa2026-01-14 23:12

Why would a company listen to opinion from someone who is clearly not a fan of their game?

mr_beanoz2026-01-14 23:21

So the company would know why they hate you in the first place.

Riersa2026-01-14 23:30

Bro what? Company doesn't care if some random guy hate them, they only care about making their target audience stay.

mr_beanoz2026-01-14 23:33

The problem is the random haters isn't just one. It's a lot. And you also get former players that become haters due to dissatisfaction.

issm2026-01-14 22:49

Dunno, looking at this fanbase, that stereotype seems to be checking out.

And that aside, eating up whatever shit the company spits out is kind of the definition of being a fan.

kazuyaminegishi2026-01-14 22:36

I promise when you grow up what people think about what you spend your money on will not matter to you.

Regardless all companies by design are inherently greedy. Asking how to run PR for a company is just something online people do because they for some reason care what random nobodies on the internet think of them.

Formal_Condition26912026-01-14 22:37

When I see “100 free rolls!” or whatever on a Gacha, I kind of assume they’re either brand new and trying to get new players or on their last legs and desperately trying to avoid EOL. Genshin is an established game and doing well enough that they don’t need to be too generous.

mr_beanoz2026-01-14 22:42

The problem is, even something that has lasted pretty long (think Cygames gacha games) would usually give free rolls during seasonal events such as end of the year and/or anniversaries. I am familiar with this practice since I have been a Granblue and Starlight Stage player myself.

kazuyaminegishi2026-01-14 23:37

No serious thinking individual would ever reference the dogshit Granblue gacha as anything remotely enviable.

Granblue gives out hundreds of free rolls because 99% of what comes out of the gacha is absolutely worthless.

The 20 pulls you get in Genshin for Lantern Rite can be used whenever with no consequence to you. If you landed on 100 pulls on a 3% banner in GBF you either use it and hope the banner has something useful, or its gone forever. If you did 299 pulls on a GBF banner and just couldnt get that last pull in time before banner ends, every single one of those pulls is now wasted. In Genshin if you do 75 pulls on Columbina's banner you are still at soft pity for Zibai's.

Setting aside how stupid it is to try and prove a gacha company isn't greedy. It concerns me greatly that there are *still* people who just look at the amount of pulls given in a vacuum without any deeper thought. The only gachas I have ever played that were truly "generous" were Dragalia Lost and SaGa and you'll never guess what happened to both, because by nature a successful gacha requires them to scam you just like every other casino in existence.

mr_beanoz2026-01-14 23:52

I know that, you don't need to explain.

But are there any ways for a game to be successful but also be generous?

kazuyaminegishi2026-01-15 00:04

Generosity doesn't make money so

mr_beanoz2026-01-15 00:25

But it develops trust with the fanbase. Like "rewarding the players for staying with the game for a long time".

kazuyaminegishi2026-01-15 00:33

No it doesnt. This shit does not mean anything to anyone other than redditors trying to have a "my dad is cooler than your dad" competition.

If what you were saying was true then the gbf subreddit wouldnt have been having meltdown for months over KMR2's handling of the game.

These are the same arguments that were made about the first anni and they werent true then and they arent true now.

mr_beanoz2026-01-15 00:39

Really though? I thought rewarding the player base is standard practice.

kazuyaminegishi2026-01-15 00:53

It is standard practice for the Granblue era of gacha games. Most gacha games nowadays use the Genshin pity system which changes the gift economy. You said you understood this earlier... everything you get while playing a gacha game is accounted for within the pull economy. The higher the value of an individual pull, the less of those pulls you will get.

We can look at HSR and see they give more pulls and the players there are also not happy with their gacha. Umamusume gives out more pulls, the players there also complain about the gacha.

Ultimately gifts do not make a company "less greedy" the gacha inherently is greedy in order for the gacha to not be greedy it would have to be not profitable and if its not profitable the game goes under.

mr_beanoz2026-01-15 01:05

Then why are people saying genshin is "more greedy" compared to other gacha games?

issm2026-01-14 22:50

By not being a gacha dev?

Gacha affects every part of the game, down to story and exploration.

Being a gacha dev means you care more about money than the integrity of *your entire game*.

mr_beanoz2026-01-14 22:58

Meanwhile there are alao developers that don't care much about the money, think Project Moon as an example.

issm2026-01-14 23:17

Reminder that Genshin fans say that Mihoyo isn't a money obsessed gacha dev.

If you monetize your game with gacha, your priority is money. End of story. I don't care for your excuses.

Again, if you monetize your game with gacha, then literally every part of the game has to be warped to accommodate that. Story needs to accommodate your constant stream of new products, which also limits the time you can spend on developing any individual character. And of course, it goes without saying that all the power you're selling in gacha affects combat balancing.

But even if we ignore that, even just at the most basic, fundamental level, Project Moon still fails the test: "Can you offer an honest, simple price for your product". Gacha would be an automatic fail anyways, but even beyond that, looking at Limbus company, Project Moon still uses the industry standard scummy dishonest monetization tactics.

For example, instead of just selling pulls directly for real world currency, PM requires converting real money into premium currency, which then translates to pulls via weird intermediate conversion ratios. This is a industry standard tactic to confuse consumers and increase spend. Once you've made the decision to spend, you also can't just buy the exact amount of premium currency you need. Another industry standard scummy monetization tactic: Forcing you to buy currency in fixed bundles, which are all sized to leave you with a little leftover currency, or leave you just short of a bigger purchase, which push the purchaser to either buy something else in the future so that they don't waste anything, or to buy a bigger bundle (come on, you're just 100 gems short of a 10pull, just buy the next pack up).

You don't get to use all the typical scummy industry monetization techniques, then turn around and pretend like you don't care about money.

WhooooCares2026-01-14 22:52

Because it isn't greedy in Japan, it's normal business. JP spends the most, CN has the most users. Both are high cost of living countries with players used to gacha games. They understand gacha companies are not friends or here for the vibes, that's probably why I rarely see these kinds of post complaining about the lack of free stuff on their boards.

All these posts boil down to is someone being upset they can't get something they want in a game.

fiersome082026-01-14 23:00

I’m amused that there’s someone who cares about something like this. Even for companies I’ve worked for, I’ve never really cared to that extent about their image

mr_beanoz2026-01-14 23:02

So you're alright if the company you work for has a bad image as long as they pay you?

fiersome082026-01-14 23:12

Yes, I worked for them, so I know whether the image they have is justified or not. However, it’s not my job to fix it. As long as I get my paycheck and their actions don’t conflict with my moral compass, I don’t really care about the image they have in the public eye