My old teams barely break 70k DPS?

Loving the Milliastra dummies so far, I tried a bunch of different teams etc.
I didn't pull much of the newest characters, so many of my most invested teams are basically from the pre-Natlan meta.
Well, I tried a bunch of teams and it might be skill issue but wdym the current meta is around 120k DPS and I just deal a little more than half of that lmaoo

My characters aren't even badly built (at all), so I admit I was pretty surpised.
Did powercreep really got that bad and I just didn't realize or is it skill issue?

I tried Wrio melt, Alhaitham, Lyney, Yae + Fischl aggravate, Tighnari.. without modern supports they all hover from 60 to 70k DPS
I think Xiao XXFF got to 80k or something, but only my Durin team managed to break 100k DPS mark (but he's a new character, so I guess that's that?)

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pzlama3332026-01-16 01:50

60-80k dps looks right for pre-Neuvillette dps without post-Fontaine support.

burnpsy2026-01-16 01:52

It does sound like you're just out of the loop meta-wise. Every single character you listed is not considered even decent as a carry under current standards. (Even a year and a half ago I wouldn't have called these good except Lyney.) So these numbers sound about right, especially with you not having modern supports.

Natlan as a whole was a massive boost to team DPS, with Mavuika standing way at the top. With Columbina's release, highly invested Lunar teams are also now surpassing Mavuika (unless you do the super complex combos with her).

So yeah, you're not doing anything wrong (in terms of your gameplay) and the powercreep was more than you noticed.

Lovace2026-01-16 02:37

I got 105K DPS over 2 rotations with C0 Lyney in overload (no Durin just Bennett). If you can do 4 charged shots under Bennett buff using bow cancels, he can dish out competitive damage.

Ap_Sona_Bot2026-01-16 12:07

Lyney at optimal gameplay is still very usable with modern supports. Comparable to Arlecchino.

babangelsin2026-01-16 01:53

>current meta is around 120k DPS

This is mostly irrelevant since endgame DPS thresholds outside SO Dire doesn't require nearly as much

But you should be able to achieve more than 70K with properly built and teamed older on-fielders. Could be a build, teammate or rotation issue.

Killer_Klee2026-01-16 02:14

And in SO there are enemies with mechanics that will make or break the run, so even if you have theoretical dps for an unresisting victim, it might not work unless you can work around those mechanics.

babangelsin2026-01-16 02:16

Similarly, it can favor a certain comp so that it can get away with less DPS than required

Killer_Klee2026-01-16 02:16

Yeah, it all depends.

thesqrrootof4is22026-01-16 04:12

Question: doesn’t this become a bit of a problem with HP inflation in Spiral Abyss ?

babangelsin2026-01-16 04:24

Do you know the current DPS requirements of SA Floor 12?

thesqrrootof4is22026-01-16 04:30

For info purposes since the enemies are out, I’ll list the bosses

>!Array is 2.7M!<

>!Sigurd is at 1.6M (3.2 M since you gotta destroy his Wild Hunt phase shield too)!<

>!Cactus Idol is 3.9M!<

>!Knuckle Duckle is 5.6M!<

I ask cause I remembered a thread back in Natlan of people fussing over Mountain King having a huge HP upscale when he returned to SA so just wondering if HP inflation is becoming an issue for older DPS

babangelsin2026-01-16 04:39

sigurd is more like 1.5x effective HP unless you go unga bunga

Array has invulnerability phase that makes him take around 10 seconds longer

Cactus and Knuckle Duckle take max hp% true damage when you clear their shield phase

Consider these and then divide total HP on both sides by 180 seconds (or in Array's case, 170)

Educational_Lion_9442026-01-16 15:11

sigurd is 2x ehp if u have gleam he is different then normal wild hunt he starts out normal and after you kill him he heals completely and turns into a wild hunt enemy

Overall_Historian_802026-01-16 04:37

Kinda? my current Clorinde team has been able to clear abyss without breaking much of a sweat for some time now, and apparently her team is barely able to break 100k DPS (Average 95k) so it can be a problem, but not as much of a problem as it could be.

Ke5_Jun2026-01-16 13:32

Not really. The current highest HP threshold in abyss is ~10 million total (both halves). If you use a naive estimation that’s 10m/180s = 56k DPS. Ofc there are also enemy mechanics and resistances to deal with, so it’s something like 1.5 times the effective HP on average. That means in neutral conditions on average, you’ll need around 80k DPS to clear abyss in time. Not super comfortably, but definitely in time for 3-stars.

If your teams are disadvantaged, you’re probably not even clearing with 100k DPS. You’ll need Mavuika OL/Skirk levels of DPS (~120k ish) to even try and brute force disadvantaged stages.

Sharlizarda2026-01-16 02:02

Idk what standard DPS estimates are based on in terms of enemies and whether they translate to miliastra test dummies- does anyone know?

AuthorChaseDanger2026-01-16 02:24

I had a lot of surprises, namely how high my Ayaka was (about 80k), how high my Navia was (about 100k), and how low my yoimiya was (about 40k)

TheSuperContributor2026-01-16 02:36

Alh is ancient by gacha game standard. Wrio and Lyney were released over 2 years ago. I have no idea what you expect from them.

Hot-Masterpiece43252026-01-16 02:56

that generally sounds correct, most older DPS units before like Arle or Neuv aren't too great in the current Meta, obviously they are fine for Spiral Abyss or general content but Stygian is where you really want at least like 110K DPS, the only units from that time and before I immediately think of that can still reach that level of damage with high investment are Xiao, Raiden, and maybe Hu Tao and Ayaka, they can all break 100-110K with their best teams at a lot of investment, but thats only about as good as a Natlan DPS at C0R0 or maybe a C0R0 Nod-Krai DPS without their designated 5 star support.

jonnevituwu2026-01-16 03:22

I mean, yeah, all those arent exactly mavuika

ZcepsGaming2026-01-16 03:26

Also for those who are unaware, you should also take note of the DPS tests' simulation timer before you view the final overall DPS. Since different teams' average DPS duration should be gauged at different time intervals (like if you team has an 18s or even 20s rotation etc.)

zephyrseija22026-01-16 04:02

So I've avoided MW because honestly it seems super uninteresting and there are no primogem rewards. Given the addition of the dummies, I am now interested. How long will it take to get to the point where I can use the dummies if I unlock MW?

Overall_Historian_802026-01-16 04:40

Not long at all, if you have access to Milliastra you have access to the dummies straight away, as they are player made stages.
Here's 2 you can use, pick whichever server you're playing, go to search wonderlands and put the GUID o the search bar

[https://x.com/RosaNagashi/status/2011266963813908919](https://x.com/RosaNagashi/status/2011266963813908919)

[https://x.com/MeowTews/status/2011351217226621130](https://x.com/MeowTews/status/2011351217226621130)

Ke5_Jun2026-01-16 13:25

It’s like 5 minutes. You just need to watch the cutscene, choose your Manekin (you can unlock the other one later…like another 5 mins later lol), adjust their appearance, and name them. After that you can immediately search for stages.

almondsadnesses2026-01-16 04:42

The sad state of powercreep in this game. It got a lot worse during Natlan, I think.

Skykeeper222026-01-16 06:03

My Pyro Traveller plunge team got like 100k lol

The_Crying_Johnny2026-01-16 06:06

It’s always so strange to me since I originally played from release to the start of Inazuma, and now I’ve come back for two or three months and I’m content with how hard my comp of Bennett, Xingqui, Lisa, and Diluc can hit for most bosses. Then again, I don’t really do endgame content like SO or 9-12 abyss floors.

CanaKitty2026-01-16 06:15

You could probably do early levels of SO and at least like 9 and 10 of abyss for some primos

Ke5_Jun2026-01-16 13:39

Abyss 9/10 is **easier** than overworld now (at around WL8-9). You should easily be able to clear these for at least half the abyss rewards. At least try for an abyss 10 clear; you’re losing out on a good 400 primos every month that your account can get no problem.

CanaKitty2026-01-16 06:13

You can also look up teams on gcsim too.

MaeveOathrender2026-01-16 08:42

Remember that sims are just that, sims. You shouldn't be comparing them to what your team actually hits in a real combat (or even a dummy) environment.

solidfang2026-01-16 06:56

I did some DPS tests on MW test dummies and I also got like 50-70k DPS on most teams. Though I think that's because I don't get any signature weapons and just build out a lot of characters.

I notice a lot of calculations tend to presume a character has their signature weapon. Did you get those for your older units? That probably makes a decent difference in what you might want to be expecting. But that's like just another lever of power creep where they want you to spend more so be careful about that.

khangkhanh2026-01-16 07:36

My afk team with dongli, geo mc, furina and prototype amber columbina did 86000. It was pure afk when I just press all the skill and setup and watch... And my Zhongli was on Petra set .

When I put xilonen c2 in instead of Geo mc it became 120k

Columbina gap is huge

Historical_Twist99692026-01-16 09:00

Can i go to other players MW and do the test dummy? Coz i donno my dps value but i done IT until level 10 and 36* Abyss. SO is easiest with coop.

cxngeorge2026-01-16 10:00

Lyney, Durin, Chev, Fischl should definitely be able to get close to 100k with an optimal rotation. My high investment Lyney hit 209k last night and I ran 4 rotations just to make sure

Frost_Niflheim2026-01-16 13:11

My Mavuika/Xilo/Citlali/Bennett melt team with just the E Q Donut combo was doing 70k. She has 2k atk, 80:200 crit ratio and 200EM. Something's not right... Meanwhile my Skirk/Coffee/Furi/Yelan team is dealing 120k...

Time to reevaluate my team rotation and train some combos, 'cause this is unacceptable

Ke5_Jun2026-01-16 13:42

Are you properly melting the first nuke hit + subsequent hits? You should be able to get at least 4 melts off if not more. If your auras get messed up her DPS plummets.

That’s why people like Mavuika overload because it’s far more braindead and the combos are far less punishing if you mess them up. You can pretty much ignore auras completely and reach well over 100k.

Frost_Niflheim2026-01-16 14:58

I'll do it again on PC later, I can't do things properly on mobile, but I'm pretty sure I'm melting the burst nuke.

Ke5_Jun2026-01-16 13:14

Yes, that’s exactly the DPS you should be doing with those old teams. Also 120k DPS is like the standard for what is considered a “meta” team lmao. 100k is the baseline for a “good” team nowadays.

Arlecchino around the time of her release was doing ~80k DPS (going off KQMs f2p investment), and she was considered one of the strongest characters in the game at the time. 100k DPS was considered the peak of the meta in 4.X, and you needed signature weapons and/or constellations to hit those numbers.

At the start of Natlan, Mualani was theoretically matching Neuvillette’s numbers (around 80k-90k in ideal conditions), and potentially could go up to 100k, but her perceived “clunkiness” made her realistically not as good. Kinich and Chasca were also hovering around the 80-90k line. Powercreep was still pretty tame at the start of 5.X.

But once Mavuika dropped in 5.3, all hell broke loose. Her **suboptimal** teams were already beating Arlecchino’s, and her melt teams blew everything else out of the water completely, easily surpassing 120k DPS, and approaching the 130k line. 5.3 was the start of Genshin’s true powercreep.

Mavuika set a new standard for DPSes. Immediately following her we got Varesa who was easily matching Neuv and Arle’s top teams while her teams were suboptimal. Varesa’s premium teams were pushing 110k DPS. Then Skirk came along and nearly matched Mavuika, at 110-120k DPS.

Eventually players found new combos with Mavuika to really push her numbers up, making her new overload combos hit her old melt numbers (120-130k) and her new melt numbers capping at 150k (and potentially higher depending on how sweaty of a player you are). Skirk also recently got some new combos that push her up to nearly 130k.

Things didn’t slow down from Nod Krai onwards. At release, Flins and Nefer premium teams were already nearly matching Mavuika’s overload teams at ~110-120k DPS, potentially higher with good play. And this was with **Aino** as their hydro unit, and we all know how cope Aino is as a unit overall.

With Columbina, Nod Krai DPSes are basically caught up with Mavuika melt (130-150k depending on investment like signatures), and keep in mind this is with equal amounts of limited units (Mav uses Citlali and Xilonen or C6 Iansan and C1+ Bennett; Flins uses Ineffa and Columbina with C0 Sucrose, and Nefer uses Lauma and Columbina with Nahida/Sucrose/general flex).

I myself have a C1R1 Premium Flins team (C0R1 Columbina/C0 Ineffa with Scarlet Sands instead of sig/Sucrose whose constellations don’t matter but also using R5 Wandering Evenstar), and I am easily hitting 150k DPS with only decent rotations, not tryharding. And keep in mind my Columbina is only 6/6/6 talents atm since I haven’t done the AQ yet and don’t want to quickstart the Dottore fight because spoilers.

CptLonesong2026-01-19 19:51

Yes, and good on you for knowing your supposed meta chars aren't actually strong

Then_Cauliflower_1202026-01-19 22:15

60-70k Clear the game's contents now.