The 4th slot can be practically anyone, Heck it seems Bineffa + anything is good. Sucrose or Lauma or Layla or Zhongli or...? That 4th slot has a lot of versatility any one try out any fun combos out?
Sucrose should be the better one: EM buff and resistance shred.
icemoomoo2026-01-16 06:46
Im currently experimenting on silken moon Xilonen so both ineffa and bina can run the new set.
KyrrithK2026-01-16 06:52
Don't you need off-field app for Silken to work? Or is this a quickswap team?
icemoomoo2026-01-16 08:41
Its only 2s less than VV and sucrose doesnt really have offfield either.
So you trade consistent silken uptime for more consistent res shred.
I couldnt test it yet since i need more SMS set pieces.
KyrrithK2026-01-16 08:43
Fair, especially in the 2-swap Sucrose/Xilonen team I guess.
Full-Kitchen-65622026-01-16 06:21
Well you are right and if you want to squeeze even more of damage then go for sucrose and her c6 is helpful here if not I think iansan also does good with attack buffs even if she can't get the cinder city buff for him
babangelsin2026-01-16 06:31
Sucrose is good here because of everything *except her C6*
Iansan and Cinder City is not good because of the exact same reason
Full-Kitchen-65622026-01-16 06:36
Yeah thanks to vv and ttds for sucrose but hey c6 iansan also slightly behind her when used as i have c4 sucrose despite playing for 3 and half years and it is what it is as i can clear fearless with iansan in his team and hey i guess it depends on the player comfortability too and c6 sucrose is even better because she gives even more em which is good in lunar reactions too
babangelsin2026-01-16 06:38
Sucrose C6 doesn't give more EM
Full-Kitchen-65622026-01-16 06:43
She gives dmg bonus based on her em right
Full-Kitchen-65622026-01-16 06:44
And I am sure she does help a lot for em scaling dpses woth her c6 if i am not wrong and hey i know c6 sucrose is a beast and she still hasn't been powercrept by anyone till this date giving the value she gives to teams
babangelsin2026-01-16 06:55
Did you actually read her C6
Full-Kitchen-65622026-01-16 07:05
She gives 20 percent damage bonus of absorved element isn't it and also an extra amount with hexerei buffs and i believe she is a great elemental damage buffer
babangelsin2026-01-16 07:06
Yes, and lunar charged gets 0 benefit from damage bonus
Full-Kitchen-65622026-01-16 07:09
Yep they scale on em and crits
babangelsin2026-01-16 06:55
Nope
Gregarious_Nazrious2026-01-16 07:13
Sucrose's biggest down side is her play compared to other options. The EM bonus is very nice but I have to wonder at the diminishing returns when it comes to moving, positioning etc vs swapping for skill/ burst OR going for Baizhu [as an extreme example] who shields and hyperblooms without ever having to cycle. There are many off field options.
For longer Fights like in stygian I feel Sucrose might be better slotted into other teams. For Abyss maybe but at this point Abyss isn't as intensive where the difference pulls ahead so as to discount others offhand. If speaking domains/overworld... even less time for spending with Sucrose on field.
tldr; Sucrose is biggest boom, but Lauma and others allow for faster cycling and more stabby stab from Flins.
Granted my having a c6 kitted/ lvld Sucrose does not mean I use her well and that is always a factor.
babangelsin2026-01-16 07:23
What does Sucrose have to do with moving and positioning though
Gregarious_Nazrious2026-01-17 02:02
Compared to other off fielders Sucrose has a noticeable amount of on field time. When you push numbers you even get animations on burst coming into play.
Maybe explain it by cycle length. Extreme Comparison:
Flins Bineffa Baizhu = Start with Columbina Skill > Ineffa Skill > Flins on field, cycle bursts for Bineffa > Flins on field.
compared to Flins Bineffa Sucrose = Start with Columbina Skill > Ineffa Skill > Sucrose positioning for and then using skill > Flins on field > Cycle bursts for Bineffa > Sucrose positioning for and then using Burst > Flins on field.
Baizhu then is simply a bloomer/shielder/healer and is NEVER on field.
Sucrose however has Some on field time in the cycle.
So it is the EM and benefits of swirl at cost of onfield time for Sucrose vs. More Onfield time for Flins the Main Dps and offset with hyperbloom/ shield / heals etc of Baizhu.
babangelsin2026-01-17 04:58
Why are you "positioning Sucrose"? Her entire gameplay is "swap to Sucrose -> press E -> swap out", her E has auto targeting. Baizhu is the only unit in the game that at C2 doesn't need to be fielded at all, but he also has no reason to be there as you already have shielding and the occasional bloom only interrupts the hydro aura. Every other off-field character has the same field time as Sucrose or more.
Gregarious_Nazrious2026-01-18 02:26
Sucrose has more positioning than just hitting E. Mind you we are talking 5 seconds max per cycle however in the current meta a few cycles and 15 second counts. Baizhu is an extreme example, however read through his constellations, he has a diverse kit and Lunar reactions are x tiners per y seconds an occasional bloom / hyperbloom isn't isn't interrupting reactions to a detriment like you may think. So something like 15 secs of dps vs dif in EM and res shred. Like all games at top tier the difference are slim.
All this not even taking into account ease of use. Sucrose's optimal cycle has applicator > sucrose > 2nd applicator > Sucrose. Minor but significant nonetheless.
Then there us utilitarian concerns where Baizhu easily sweeps. He can burst and heal through what most others will be one shotted by. Plus he brings lunar bloom [while useless on its own] which has applications and bonuses for things like stygian.
tldr; it aint as simple as just E for Sucrose
babangelsin2026-01-18 04:21
You are essentially schizoposting at this point because 1) Sucrose has zero positioning 2) She only adds one swap worth of duration to a rotation which is depending on your ping is 1 to 1.5 seconds 3) Shaving 1 to 1.5 seconds is absolutely not worth losing 40% Res shred over, even if she didn't have the EM buff and TTDS buff
I don't know what you are even referring to with stuff like "5 seconds max per cycle"
Gregarious_Nazrious2026-01-19 04:14
I can't make you understand concepts of slim marginal differences.
First I said 5 seconds max, lets ignore any encounter with more than 1 target and focus ONLY on stygian where you "just press E".
Sucrose does not pull ahead by tens of percent. Depending on ALL the variables of a stygian encounter Baizhu and Sucrose vary in how much better Sucrose is or in some rare cases Baizhu pulls ahead.
Sure you can point to an artifact domain and say "ooo bigger numbers," but in application it isn't that simple.
Again I'm not even saying Sucrose isn't a straight higher dps gain, simply saying 4th slot can go to several characters without making it terrible.
If Sucrose is the only one you think / insist on fir YOUR 4th, well great it is your solo game/ time / and energy. Have fun with what you feel is best.
babangelsin2026-01-19 05:30
Number of enemies or 0 energy start doesn't favor Baizhu, it favors Sucrose. You are just throwing words around to obfuscate for some weird reason I don't understand. What is 5 seconds max? It is an enemy that dies in 5 seconds?
It is not me that thinks Sucrose is significantly better than Baizhu there, it is the entire community. The difference between them are not slim or marginal. Baizhu provides no additional utility over Ineffa. You are trying to make a terrible take sound reasonable by throwing words around.
Physical_Score26972026-01-16 10:43
Best is Nilou at c2
Sucrose is good
Nahida also good
Ineffa is good
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So you trade consistent silken uptime for more consistent res shred.
I couldnt test it yet since i need more SMS set pieces.
Iansan and Cinder City is not good because of the exact same reason
For longer Fights like in stygian I feel Sucrose might be better slotted into other teams. For Abyss maybe but at this point Abyss isn't as intensive where the difference pulls ahead so as to discount others offhand. If speaking domains/overworld... even less time for spending with Sucrose on field.
tldr; Sucrose is biggest boom, but Lauma and others allow for faster cycling and more stabby stab from Flins.
Granted my having a c6 kitted/ lvld Sucrose does not mean I use her well and that is always a factor.
Maybe explain it by cycle length. Extreme Comparison:
Flins Bineffa Baizhu = Start with Columbina Skill > Ineffa Skill > Flins on field, cycle bursts for Bineffa > Flins on field.
compared to Flins Bineffa Sucrose = Start with Columbina Skill > Ineffa Skill > Sucrose positioning for and then using skill > Flins on field > Cycle bursts for Bineffa > Sucrose positioning for and then using Burst > Flins on field.
Baizhu then is simply a bloomer/shielder/healer and is NEVER on field.
Sucrose however has Some on field time in the cycle.
So it is the EM and benefits of swirl at cost of onfield time for Sucrose vs. More Onfield time for Flins the Main Dps and offset with hyperbloom/ shield / heals etc of Baizhu.
All this not even taking into account ease of use. Sucrose's optimal cycle has applicator > sucrose > 2nd applicator > Sucrose. Minor but significant nonetheless.
Then there us utilitarian concerns where Baizhu easily sweeps. He can burst and heal through what most others will be one shotted by. Plus he brings lunar bloom [while useless on its own] which has applications and bonuses for things like stygian.
tldr; it aint as simple as just E for Sucrose
I don't know what you are even referring to with stuff like "5 seconds max per cycle"
First I said 5 seconds max, lets ignore any encounter with more than 1 target and focus ONLY on stygian where you "just press E".
Sucrose does not pull ahead by tens of percent. Depending on ALL the variables of a stygian encounter Baizhu and Sucrose vary in how much better Sucrose is or in some rare cases Baizhu pulls ahead.
Sure you can point to an artifact domain and say "ooo bigger numbers," but in application it isn't that simple.
Again I'm not even saying Sucrose isn't a straight higher dps gain, simply saying 4th slot can go to several characters without making it terrible.
If Sucrose is the only one you think / insist on fir YOUR 4th, well great it is your solo game/ time / and energy. Have fun with what you feel is best.
It is not me that thinks Sucrose is significantly better than Baizhu there, it is the entire community. The difference between them are not slim or marginal. Baizhu provides no additional utility over Ineffa. You are trying to make a terrible take sound reasonable by throwing words around.
Sucrose is good
Nahida also good
Ineffa is good