Is Heretic Dottore the strongest non primordial being in genshin?

Lore wise it's pretty clear that primordial beings like the one, the second who came, are the strongest. Then Surtalogi because he's ascended tevyat. Then you can debate on who's the strongest because till now we haven't had that much lore development. Is Heretic Dottore really the most powerful? I mean it took the sacrifice of three moon goddesses, columbinas insanely high IQ, sandrones sacrifice, practically the whole nod krai cast to defeat him, and even then he's not defeated (as hinted by the glitch at the end of the archon quest). He can manipulate time, space, people, and is just all around really powerful.

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clueless_shepard2026-01-16 14:05

No, Noelle is the strongest

Akikala2026-01-16 14:10

It's kinda impossible to say.

We literally do not know the full extent of the powers of ANY of the big players in Teyvat and they kinda never throw hands with each other either so..

In the story it was said that the other nations/gods would have some countermeasures against him so they wouldn't be in immediate danger but also Varka and Nicole discussed how if they fail it could be the end of Teyvat so it's a bit unclear lol.

Low_Artist_76632026-01-16 14:13

Moon marrow aren't real moons.

And even with real moon power, Columbina couldn't fully lift the curse from the traveler

And Alice didn't even show up while all of the witches (so supposedly a fucking shade of live as well) were dealing with the shit he caused at the borders rather than fighting him.

Mtebalanazy2026-01-16 14:54

We don’t know if gold was there, necolle said that Alice called every member she can get a hold of, which could mean that gold and Octavia weren’t there

LiDragonLo2026-01-17 04:06

Hm i didn't realize that might be the case. Bc for all we know rhine might have shade work to do that takes precedence

LiDragonLo2026-01-17 04:05

For all we know, the hp might be the one who cursed the traveler. Though if thats the case i wouldn't be surprised if bina wouldn't be able to lift the curse

floricel_1122026-01-16 14:16

Nah, I think if Ei, Zhongli or Neuvillette showed up, they would have clapped him easily

4spxcty2026-01-16 14:28

Brother what? 💀

GGG1002026-01-16 15:03

Yeah, no. Moon Sisters are Nibelung’s equivalent to the PO’s Shades, and Dottore had two out of the three Moon Marrows and made another one to give him power almost on par with all three Moon Sisters combined. Several characters explicitly stated that Dottore was on his way to omnipotence, which is far beyond what any of the Archons have achieved.

Only Moon Goddess Columbina with all of her sisters’ powers plus her own was enough to put a stop to Dottore.

floricel_1122026-01-16 15:26

It's just a guy who's only NOW gotten that power vs individuals who've had their powers for a longer time, to experiment with and hone their abilities. They're longer lived, more skilled and much more experienced. I do not care care about his power level

ErzedSucc2026-01-16 15:31

But the whole post is about his strength though? So what's really the point of your comment?

floricel_1122026-01-16 15:59

That he's like a child who was just given a nuke. His strenght is pointless without knowing how to use it properly. And with how arrogant he was with it, that he could be cheapshot not once (traveler), not twice (Scara), not thrice (Sandrone), but FOUR TIMES; he clearly doesn't know how to use it properly and is severely arrogant about his newfound strenght

GGG1002026-01-16 15:32

But Dottore doesn’t just have near omnipotence, but near omniscience as well. He demonstrates it when he lays out the Traveler and Sandrone’s world formula plan right in front of them.

An ant, no matter how hard they trained or how experienced they are, is no match for an elephant.

Weaponmaster4702026-01-16 14:21

Lol no, did you realize how nonchalant Nicole was and she wasn't even being serious during the whole crisis? The stronger beings didn't even bother fighting him and he did more shit to sabotage himself.

It's all a show.

Fun-Animal-20662026-01-21 06:45

what "stronger beings" mind you?

Nicole had to provide her assistance to bring the moon in, but that doesn't mean she could fight dottore directly.

The Archons are absolutely far below him.

Alice and the other witches were dealing with the borders which were still a priority they couldn't just ignore them.

and the shades are primordial beings.

So unless something else comes out of nowhere then yes, Dottore is the strongest non-primordial being we've encountered thus far, as it took Trilunar Bina to fight him.

Adventurous-Day-67382026-01-16 14:38

We have no idea how the moons scale with archons, all they kept saying was that he become a God. Also Columbina with the trilunar authority kinda just overpowered him at some point.

GGG1002026-01-16 15:05

Moon Sisters were pretty much Nibelung’s own equivalent to the HP’s Shades; leaving them to rule Teyvat in his stead while he was absent. They’re far, far more powerful than Archons.

allmistake22026-01-16 15:35

To be fair, Columbina and Dottore were using the same power. It's possible Columbina was slightly above him since she got the authority from living goddesses and was one herself by birth rather than dead ones, but I think it's also worth noting that rather than fight him 1v1 directly, she instead used her power to enhance her allies (as evidenced by the traveler segment of the final phase) giving herself a numbers advantage. Unless she just wanted to give her friends the satisfaction of getting a few hits in, this implies to me she wasn't confident she could 1v1 him, or at least that it would be a much closer fight, and that she was better off splitting her power so that her teammates could actually be capable of harming him, before finishing him off once he lost two marrows.

FrostedEevee2026-01-17 18:33

It’s been said multiple time that Moon Sisters’ authority was equivalent to Shades

Adventurous-Day-67382026-01-17 18:36

They hold the same authorities, but people with the same authorities can have different levels of strength. Just because Venti can use the power of time doesn't mean he's equivalent to istaroth.

FrostedEevee2026-01-17 19:22

Because Venti doesn’t have authority over time. Only a fraction of it which Istaroth allows. It’s a completely different case.

RunImmediate60622026-01-16 14:41

Sandrone's sacrifice definitely felt motional at the time.
And it was one hell of a character development on her part.
Fully proving to everyone that. No matter how hard she tries to be a bitch, she fails miserably at being one.

But.

The Knave:
She said that, should she ever fail in a mission, she'd like me to deliver her core and Pulonia's to the Fontaine Research Institute.

Given the creator and the smartass Sandrone is, atleast I will find it very out of character of her not to have a backup plan in case of her current body being destroyed, but her Core stays intact. Same with Pulonia. She's also a Harbinger, so she very well might have agents stationed at the Institute to handle a situation like this if it ever should come to pass.
And Arlecchino keeping all her personal belongings at The House of the Hearth, not sending it to Fatui HQ in Snezhnaya.

Might be just me high af on copium since i didn't really care much for Sandrone, but she really grew on me during the main story. Her return, hell even our Captain's return feels atleast more natural than Dottore still being alive.

I get that he has segments etc, and the whole burning tree thingy, but this felt like "the finale" of him being a main villain.
Same with Rerir. Just wouldn't make that big of an impact anymore if they take the center stage as main villains again.
Which makes my take on the distorted ending a sign that someones sleeping pills have stopped working, or that some outside forces have discovered Teyvat due to The False Sky being weakened by us stealing the moon. Hell, it might even be Asmoday returning.

OnlyBrave2026-01-16 14:45

Thanks OP... Sailor Moon Dottore is an image now stuck in my. Kudos.

Max-x-x-x-x2026-01-16 15:07

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LunaticPlaguebringer2026-01-16 22:42

The end of Act 8 Quest: the screen flashes in Dottore's glitch circuitry, heralding his return.

LiDragonLo2026-01-17 04:08

Inb4 thats the hp waking up

allmistake22026-01-16 15:39

He's probably one of the most powerful beings we've encountered thus far. That said, he's probably tied with, or maybe slightly below Trilunar Columbina.

Ksahrr-Dar2026-01-19 08:11

how can I stop laughing at this picture, like a flock of seagulls xDDD

masternieva6662026-01-21 11:55

If were going by only human with any legendary genes or royal bloodline or abyss. Then yes Dottore is the strongest human. Imagine if this guy try to experiment with abyss.