I’m very satisfied with this scene

Despite Columbina empathizing with Rerir’s plight after the Abyss corruption wore off, and even honoring his wish to bring his message to Tholindis, she doesn’t hesitate to remind Tholindis that he murdered children right in her face, showing that despite being able to feel bad for him to an extent, the gravity of his actions will never be sugarcoated.

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UserWithoutDoritos2026-01-16 22:28

I'm not clear on why Tholindis doesn't go with Rerir after this when it's clear that she isn't as affected in that modern era.

I know Rerir wouldn't go because he's a coward and scared, but Tholindis can go see him...

Standard_Map_76182026-01-16 22:38

Rerir said that unlike Columbina they can’t move freely through the area, so I think they’re literally stuck at their respective pillars.

KazakiriKaoru2026-01-17 04:37

>stuck at their respective pillars.

It's actually the same pillar. They're separated by about 500 years(500 pillars apart)

Gregamonster2026-01-16 22:39

Rerir explains, people other than Columbina can't navigate the space as freely as she can.

Tholindis is in the past, and can't move beyond the time she arrived. Neither can Rerir, although he seems a bit freer, being able to go anywhere from the time when he first arrived to the time when he was sent back.

Since they entered at different times, they can't go to the time the other occupies.

UserWithoutDoritos2026-01-17 03:13

Excellent, thank you very much for explain

allmistake22026-01-16 22:39

Its because the space they are in has a certain "flow" in it. Moving in that space is equivalent to traveling in time. Everything in that space is being drawn towards a specific moment in the past. Tholindis is therefore forced to move forward because of it. At the same time, Rerir, possibly because of his connection to the abyss, is unable to move in either direction. So they arent just separated by space but also time, its just that time separation is also represented in the physical space. I dont know if I explained that very well, but i hope it helps.

KazakiriKaoru2026-01-17 04:38

Also, Rerir and Tholindis are in the same place, separated by time, represented as space.

TetraNeuron2026-01-17 08:47

somethin something space and time are reversed inside a Black Hole

sir_aphim2026-01-16 23:03

They are star crossed lovers. Although so close in terms of distance, they cannot make it to eachothers' position due to the unique properties of the area being both a seperation of time and space. Rerir has no means to travel backwards in time whereas Tholindis being dead, has no means to move forwards in time anymore. Columbina is able to move around since the moons have power over time and space. So while I believe they both want to get to eachother. They are as close to eachother as they can possibly be.

For those who want to have a slightly more hopeful ending for them. Head cannon that Columbina sends Rerir fragments from the wild hunt she kills into the moon's reflection. And that if perhaps once Rerir gets strong enough, he can perhaps break free of some of the limitations to the space allowing him to finally make it to Tholindis and finally spend their eternity together in that limbo.

ResurgentClusterfuck2026-01-17 02:14

>once Rerir gets strong enough

Strong in spirit, or penitent for his evil

Then, if I were in charge, I'd let him go to her

Ok_Can_64242026-01-17 01:04

it's explained by Rerir. You probably missed the convo

gbxahoido2026-01-17 01:58

Tholindis can't, time flow backward the moment she steps in, so she forever can't never see Rerir, who exist in the future

But Rerir can see her but he can't move freely like Bina

KazakiriKaoru2026-01-17 04:35

Because they are literally trapped in time. Rerir and Tholindis are is the same place, but are separated by about 500 years. Columbina is the only one able to actually walk backwards through time.

LivingASlothsLife2026-01-16 22:40

Its what makes Rerir a compelling character, you can empathize with him with the why, but you cant forgive the actions he took

LaplaceZ2026-01-16 23:28

Exactly this. You don't agree with him, but you understand where he's coming from.

ResurgentClusterfuck2026-01-16 23:31

Rerir is very human, in ways some people may not be comfortable admitting

Not caring about even genocide unless it directly hurts someone you love is not uncommon in people. Many people will do evil things, rationalizing these acts, until it touches their own lives

TheIJDGuy2026-01-17 00:21

This is exactly why stuff like "First They Came" stays relevant

-boshetunmai-2026-01-17 02:08

This is spot on and one of the reasons I think he is a well written villain.

Cross_Anew2026-01-17 02:39

Shit, it's almost understandable, he was so afraid that defying the orders of the mad King would put him and his fiance in jeopardy that he became willing to do anything, even aware of the horror of what he was doing.

The scene of flipping pages, and realizing how the judgements become more and more savage until the king just started killing innocent 6 year olds is so heavy, and it hits so hard because it's from his POV, you SEE how he justifies to himself

I think most people in his place would end up doing the same as terrible as it is, of course this doesn't justify what he did or much less what he did after he allied with the Abyss, but still, he's such a compelling character

ResurgentClusterfuck2026-01-17 02:42

It showed very well how a position where you are "protecting your homeland" can devolve into "murdering six year Olds because their eyes look funny"

Cross_Anew2026-01-17 02:43

Protecting your homeland and in his case, his lover and family

You can really see how he starts fucking SPIRALING when he finds out about Tholindis, it's crazy

ResurgentClusterfuck2026-01-17 02:45

I only play in EN, but his VA did a fantastic job

Cross_Anew2026-01-17 02:46

EN too, it was FANTASTIC, it really delivered that "Slowly breaking down mentally" feel, by the end he acts and sounds like a complete psycho, completely contrasting the calm, refined tone he has at first

Not to even speak on bossfight Rerir, who's little more than a beast at that point

ResurgentClusterfuck2026-01-17 02:48

Same dude did Lygus in HSR. ANOTHER villain i loved to hate

Ok_Astronomer_65012026-01-17 05:36

I do wish people irl in similar positions had even half the guilt rerir has

Cross_Anew2026-01-17 05:39

True, and with Rerir he was literally not allowed to quit, the mad king would have had him killed immediate if he did.

Lots of IRL people CAN stop, but choose not to. Ironically the fictional mass executioner is less cruel than many real life ones.

Ok_Astronomer_65012026-01-17 05:40

Sometimes fiction makes more logical sense than reality.

Vlaladim2026-01-17 02:52

Consider his actions is very much similar to many in our recent history. That guarantee, if he don’t do it, another will replace him, same fear, same pressure. It systemic, not really just him alone.

Ginsmoke32026-01-17 07:39

Even Dainsleff put blind eyes at the king madness and only took action when his big brother got captured.

He also try to act like victims being betrayed when he also betray Khaenriah people by being passive at the king Tyranny. He have power to stop the king by rebeling like how he just rebel to release his big brother.

Hykarusis2026-01-17 04:01

He wasn’t not caring, he clearly was not happy about it. He just didn’t thought he had any option and tried his best to kot think about it. Also it started with legetimate rebel faction and only slowly turned into anyone vaguelly related with the crimson moon. That’s part of why he reacted when he got Tholindis, not just because he actually loved her but also because she had almost nothin to do with the dinasty to the point her eyes were normal, and that made him realise that it wasn’t even a genocide but that the king would eliminiate every kaenriahn if left unchecked. As a reminder both Dainself and his brother clearly knew what he was doing but never said anything until the brother got pushed by the abyss and dainself was personally affected.

Fadriii2026-01-17 04:43

The design is very human

CoconutxKitten2026-01-17 06:46

That’s why he’s probably my favorite sinner

The others all had these grand ambitions & are like…otherworldly beings

He’s not like the other sinners in his desire for something grandiose. He’s an orphan forced into a no win scenario, who realizes it was all for nothing after the love of his life yeets herself into the moon gate. I feel like the Abyss fed on the ambitions of the other sinners but the humanity & emotions in Rerir

DeathToBoredom2026-01-17 10:07

Okay for the record, it's not that he didn't care. He did what he did because he wanted his life with the person he loves

Vlaladim2026-01-17 02:50

Yeah he was basically doing this in fear of his life, of his family but that doesn’t excuse what he did whatsoever.

Silent-Paramedic2026-01-17 03:59

a shame sonnet couldn't go and evaporate him before she disappeared

San-Kyu2026-01-17 05:01

Same.

I ain't no saint, so I won't be throwing the first stone as far as morality is concerned.

I will still throw stones at him for the purposes that he is a proven and chronic threat however, practicality calls for the appropriate response.

TuneACan2026-01-17 07:31

I love how they don't try to redeem him one bit, and don't give him a happy ending. He doesn't get anything, except the ability to finally reveal everything to his fiancee, and peace of mind away from all the hatred and abyssal corruption. And he's fully understanding of it, and doesn't think he deserves that second chance.

McSqueakers2026-01-16 23:07

I laughed out loud when Bina asked Rerir if she could give the abridged version.

erkankurtcu2026-01-17 00:21

i spout the water i drink when she say that

iesous232026-01-17 00:23

Rerir laughing after actually sounded like he just legit started laughing, like not an acted laugh.
I really liked how they handled the story of Rerir in the end

Korbiter2026-01-17 01:09

I laughed out loud at that

What got me on the floor was her insistance on keeping the part where he relentlessly tried to kill Bina and her friends.

"Sure, let me cut the story down, but I'll be sure to tell your fiancee you tried to stab me numerous times)

Hageshii012026-01-17 06:15

And he's *fine* with that, even emphasizing that he knows what he did and who he is and doesn't want any more lies going to Tholindis.

I think they did a great job showing that he has remorse for his actions, without actually redeeming him or implying his actions somehow don't matter anymore.

NoOne2152026-01-17 01:18

That gave me a chuckle.

-boshetunmai-2026-01-17 02:06

Dude I was crying my eyes out and then she hits us with that line and now I'm laughing and crying 😭

Vettah2026-01-17 02:09

I bet she learned that from Varka

DarkPhoenixMishima2026-01-17 07:57

Retir: Tell my story please.

Columbina: tldr

KazuharaIlfan2026-01-17 09:00

"Tell her everything"

"Abridged?"

"Yeah that works for me"

GeneralZhukov2026-01-17 11:42

"Tell her everything"

"...unlike you I have things to do so..."

MiniMages2026-01-16 23:10

That is because Columbina has empathy.

Faedwill2026-01-16 23:53

The *gravity*, heh.

Anxious-Drag-60282026-01-17 00:00

He’s a good guy now :)

Maybe he’ll come back in the future and help us in Snezhnaya or help us defeat Dottore.

Who knows, maybe they’ll use like a friendship beam to take down celestia and we can all join forces to finally put an end to them. Then we’ll all be friends and family and live happily ever after. :)

Notosk2026-01-17 04:38

And people want a skip button smh

KazakiriKaoru2026-01-17 05:25

He didn't become a good guy. He just realised that he's tired of it all. He never expressed that he felt wrong about killing off the Crimson Moon People.

gnusica2026-01-17 00:01

Yeah I loved it. It's weird home sometimes the game seems to be forgiving towards awful people (or somehow people don't seem disturbed by it like in Rhinedottir's case), so it's nice that they hit the nail on the head this time.

uwu_mewtwo2026-01-17 00:11

Columbina is a true Moon Goddess. Her nature is to love and protect Tevat and its people, not to judge or punish them. This is when she really starts to embrace that identity. She seems very happy to give these lost souls the tiniest bit of comfort in their apparently endless suffering.

ComposedOfStardust2026-01-17 04:06

Reminds me of the notes we found in the cosmic horror world quests aka Colors from Outer Space. About how experiments on those kuuvahki orbs showed they had altruistic tendencies, which were then sniffed out with further experimentation. Now that we know kuuvahki is the essence of Columbina's body itself, it gives new context to that quest. We probably went through a moon gate at the end of it too

bannedfor0reason2026-01-17 05:12

I still have no fuckin clue what all that was about

TetraNeuron2026-01-17 08:43

Fatui researchers experiemented with parts of Columbina's body, which gained individual sentience, and ate them all

bannedfor0reason2026-01-17 08:47

Do we know why they did a Hollow Purple when we smashed them together and chucked us into hyperspace

nerd_reader_51592026-01-17 09:05

huh, interesting. she actually feel like embracing that responsibility after getting her name

Healthy_Call_30732026-01-17 16:37

Uhh depends on which light you see her in.
She is pretty ignorant of the actions of her loved ones as long as they have a good relationship with her(sandrone, arle)

Serious-Flamingo-9482026-01-17 00:37

It's always a good narrative when you show the complexity of a horrible person and something to empathize with but still do not excuse them going forward. It's why people don't like the Rhinedottir sugarcoating whenever Albedo or the Hexenzirkel reference her.

ResurgentClusterfuck2026-01-17 02:12

Well, Albedo can't be expected to trash his own creator. He has a skewed view of things

How Nicole said with a straight face that the witches protect children I'll never know though, unless she meant just herself

Serious-Flamingo-9482026-01-17 02:28

I meant more how everyone around them that know of Gold go along with it.

P.S. Nicole could had just said that she herself protects children and would never put them in harms way but she grouped the Hexenzirkel into it, so she's talking about the group as a whole.

ResurgentClusterfuck2026-01-17 02:30

Nicole, angels shouldn't lie like that

I don't know why people talk about Gold the way they do, both her and Alice are ethically bankrupt when it comes to their research

Ok_Astronomer_65012026-01-17 05:39

Ikr. She's the most evil character in the game

Ginsmoke32026-01-17 07:46

Remember at shade trailer ? Rhinedottir casually make humans life who can talk and have mind on their own as experiment. There is old grandma who was storyteller with bunch of children happily listening to her.

When the death shade found out, she killed all of them and Rhinedottir just act casually like welp you found out oh well and Ronova just say sigh it is your work again and asked istaroth why she give those humans "history".

Rhinedottir just ceeated humans children for lolz experiment and don't feel sad when it got killed by Ronova.

She was 100x more worse than Dottore.

San-Kyu2026-01-17 05:08

At the very least from what information has been revealed to us, the disconnect between the destruction and suffering made as a direct consequence of Rhinedottir's lack of restraint or control over her creations and the general ambivalence many of her direct contacts are to her is notable.

Alice at least refers to some of her many jobs as "cleaning up Rhinedottir's mess", so at least there is fault to be had with her. I expect that Rhinedottir might literally have an extremely flawed view of responsibility though, with abyssal corruption in the past not really having much issue making that aspect of hers worse somehow.

Her main issue honestly is that she is purely on the "Nature" side of the "Nature vs Nurture" debate. She has zero interest in actual motherhood and generally leaves her creations to fend for themselves, with only albedo (one of her very last in a long line of utter failures) being given any instruction. For her, the problems her creations made are not because she's neglectful creator, but that she made them wrong and should aim to make "better" creations.

Ifalna_Shayoko2026-01-17 00:46

Still, all things considered, I'd have wished them both a nicer ending than what looks to be like eternal suffering of loneliness.

TheBlitzStyler2026-01-17 01:33

yeah that's pretty dark. Hopefully their consciousnesses will fade away with time, it'll be a mercy

DepartedSpectre2026-01-17 02:38

tholindis sure, rerir no

Ifalna_Shayoko2026-01-17 09:13

Both actually.

As she herself said: she is not innocent in all of this.

Whilyam2026-01-18 07:01

Yeah this is something that I don't see nearly enough people talking about. Tholindis is also a terrible person and just as in denial as Rerir is. She's very much "suburban white woman who doesn't care about the gestapo until they come for her" type. She "doesn't know what her fiance does" just like he doesn't know whether people are guilty or not. Hell, they both get mirroring acts of mercy where Rerir spares a kid and tholindis gives a kid a way out iirc. They are BOTH made for each other and both excuse madness but I only see people dragging Rerir.

bannedfor0reason2026-01-17 05:10

I think Columbina's become powerful enough that she can just rip them out at any point, Tholindis just to end her suffering and Rerir if they need his help to take out Dottore because no way that sleaze is dead.

koromedy2026-01-17 01:17

This whole scene was so good it made me go from hating Rerir and Tholindis (as people, not characters) to just wishing they had a happy ending. The final part was so tragic.

Zellopy2026-01-17 02:10

Columbina keeping it real as usual, no wasting time. It helps giving the 2 their long awaited closure too.

what42702026-01-17 02:21

Tholindis already knew that Rerir was a cold-blooded killer but she wants to know it from Rerir’s mouth. I mean this sorta works because Rerir did allow Columbina to tell Tholindis everything.

KineticKurt2026-01-17 03:16

This low-key kinda reminds me of when Obi-wan told Padme that Anakin killed younglings

Nearby-Painting-74272026-01-17 14:10

Rerir really is the only one getting punished for his action huh

h2odragon002026-01-17 14:25

TBF I blame the king.

Rerir is nothing but an attack dog that you point at something to chew. Still the same now with Dottore manipulating him.

omegavolt92026-01-17 20:17

Besides how well written and satisfying it was for both Rerir and Tholindis as an ending, I also appreciate how emotionally intelligent Columbina has gotten and the great examples of that we got in these scenes.

Pellecks022026-01-18 00:43

yep, rewatching some scenes from 6.0, Columbina feels a completely different character now in a good way