Her flagship team right now just doesn't make any sense...
High single target burst, super wide AOE with also bullshit damage, nearly everyone dealing damage, multiple elemental application for shield breaking and on top of that very easy to play while at least Mavuika needs some skill... This team even more braindead than Neuvillette on his heyday...
You got Ineffa's sustain and high off field damage, bina also provide buffs and off field damage with no circle impact and then sucrose for grouping and shred res and on top of that Flins just punish them with his high burst damage that also has fucking wide AOE and he also not combo reliant.
I can see this team will still have high usage against contents thats not directly countering them... the team deals optimized Mavuika combo damage level by totally turning your brain off...
RubApprehensive25122026-01-17 18:42
You forgot the part where flins' mini burst is considered a heavy hit. Making it very good against shields.
TaruTaru232026-01-17 18:46
He got decent usage rate during plunge Varesa shill (33%) while using Aino on his team before Bina just testament of his strength
5partan55822026-01-18 01:37
That's largely because his mini ult could be infused with the plunge buff pretty generously (IE not super hard mechanically)
nanimeanswhat2026-01-17 18:48
Flins playstyle is just do some cool looking normal attacks while waiting for your skill&mini burst cooldown. No need for combos or even dodging or i-framing thanks to Ineffa and it's always hella strong.
DigiAirship2026-01-18 04:50
I have to admit, I regret it a little. Back at the start of Nod Krai, I skipped Ineffa, thinking she'd be another Emilie. And when Flins came around, because I already skipped Ineffa, I skipped him as well, putting all my stocks into Lauma and Nefer instead.
Now that everyone's out, I can confidently say I made the wrong choice. Nefer isn't bad by any means, but her charged attack gameplay is annoying for someone like me with low skill, not to mention I feel compelled to get Lauma C1 when she reruns, making it more expensive overall. It also feels like the amount of bosses shilling lunar Charged are far more than the bosses shilling lunar bloom, making Flins and Ineffa overall a more valuable pick overall. So yeah, I regret it a little, seeing how good Flins mains have it now.
Koekelbag2026-01-17 19:10
How does it handle sustain, actually? As best as I can tell, there's just Ineffa's shield, and that hasn't been lasting long from my initial experience with her.
ThereAFishInMyPants2026-01-17 19:38
It is the 3rd strongest shield in the game usually, only behind Lanyan and then Zhongli. You might have an unusual build on Ineffa or maybe some other external factor
AzureFirmament2026-01-17 20:48
Nah, her shield is weaker than Layla as well. It's enough, but nothing special. Not very strong and not too weak. Edit: Zhongli is like twice as strong for reference.
Cole_James_CHALMERS2026-01-17 20:51
Most people build ATK/CRIT/ATK instead of 3x ATK mainstats
even if her shield scaling is good, most people opt for more damage > better shield hence the paper shield allegations
Proud_Trade63502026-01-17 20:55
Even with atk/atk/crit(The way you should be building her in 99% of scenarios) the shield is plenty strong. I think some people just face tank every attack
AzureFirmament2026-01-17 21:00
Me built her(C0R0) with 3\*ATK, 3000+ constant ATK actually, yet it's still only around 55% as strong as Zhongli's shield, far behind Lanyan and Layla as well. That's why I say so. Her advantage comes with other aspects.
argoncrystals2026-01-17 21:04
shields are intended to supplement dodging, they catch stray hits coming in and give you some breathing room but aren't intended to tank all the incoming damage
Particular_Web32152026-01-18 00:31
Ineffa's shield is really good behind zhongli and lanyan, but she also has insane and frequent lunar charge procs that benefits from sucrose's VV and EM shred, whiel columbina and flins also buffs said lunar charge whoel providing significant dmg themselves.
The lunar charge comp is kind of a synergsitic super exodia. For nefer and zibai, their dmg comes primarily from themselves, but flins can save his bursts since ineffa and columbina are often to destroy some elite waves on their own.
Cole_James_CHALMERS2026-01-17 21:05
Ineffa basically doubled in ownership rate from her first banner
That AQ story was too good + her pull value went stonks since she can handle lunar shill by herself + Bineffa wheelchair + works with many older DPSs like Arle/Neuv
pzlama3332026-01-17 17:28
Usually this type of posts also include the highest usage/appearance teams.
TaruTaru232026-01-17 17:48
The highest usage team obviously was the Lunar charged Flagship team and not even close as three of its core member are on top 3
This team was just bullshit all around and shilling makes them even worse
nanimeanswhat2026-01-17 18:44
Full C0 flins premium team can straight up 1 rotate all 3 chambers it's crazy. I've never felt this powerful in any abyss half before including the mavuika shill ones.
Me_to_Dazai2026-01-17 18:11
I think we can safely guess the most used team was Flins premium lol
pzlama3332026-01-17 18:50
Yea, Flins Columbina Ineffa Sucrose's appearance rate is 13.4%, the second highest team overall, almost entirely in second half. Neuvillette Furina hypercarry (15.2% overall) and Mavuika Xilonen Citlali melt (12.8% overall) are for first half. First half also has some Skirk teams. Second half is also dominated by lunar-charged team variants (Flins-less, Ineffa-less, Columbina-less), and there is one Nefer team with Kuki as the 4th. Other Nefer teams are mainly used in first half.
SleepySera2026-01-17 20:29
But how will I know if solo Wrio returned to glory?
Educational_Lion_9442026-01-17 23:56
It should also include average con because some people just look at number high and that is all the thought going on
pzlama3332026-01-18 00:46
Ineffa: average 0.1, 94.2% of C0
Flins: average 0.7, 58.1% C0, 27.1% C1, 10.3% C2
Columbina: average 0.5, 76.6% C0, 6.4% C1, 12.5% C2
Furina: average 1.7, 36.7% C0, 35.5% C2
Neuvillette: average 1.4, 21.1% C0, 57.3% C1
Citlali: average 0.5, 75.4% C0
Lauma: average 0.3, 83.2% C0
Nefer: average 0.5, 79.2% C0
Escoffier: average 0.2, 88.1% C0
Mavuika: average 1.2, 53% C0, 8.6% C1, 27.9% C2
Varesa: average 1.2, 53% C0, 7.6% C1, 27.8% C2
Durin: average 1.3, 51.1% C0, 9.2% C1, 27.2% C2
Skirk: average 0.7: 69.9% C0
Wrio: average 4.2, 59.3% C6
Arle: average 2.5, 14.6% C0
Chasca: average 2.4, 27.9% C0, 30.3% C2, 24.3% C6
Educational_Lion_9442026-01-18 01:07
Chasca is really surprising to me
5partan55822026-01-18 01:35
Chasca got left behind meta-wise extremely quick at base constellation. I'm sure within a few patches we will see her much like Wrio at an average of C2 or higher.
banjo2E2026-01-18 02:38
no AoE + severe element restrictions really crippled c0 chasca even when she came out and it's just gotten worse in the era of mechanics shilling, she suffers horribly without C2
Prestigious-Elk12742026-01-17 17:29
but i hurd xilonen fell off...
WhooooCares2026-01-17 17:37
It's crazy how there were people on this subreddit and some CCs saying Xilonen wasn't as useful anymore. She's the 3rd highest used character with 65K uses on this survey behind Columbina and Furina, the other character people said would fall off.
TaruTaru232026-01-17 17:53
She is still staple in Mavuika team and now usable in Flins' team... People just overrate spreadsheet impact so much where C6 iansan and Escoffier better than her in Mavuika team while neglecting the ease of use to gain Max fighting spirit 😂
gryphon_duke2026-01-17 18:15
also the bineffa wheelchair is further enhanced with xilonen, for some reason. c0 neuvi might play lauma but c1 would probably prefer xilonen, not to mention blooms dont crit in ascendant gleam and xilonen can stack defense for the lunar bonus
slyguy1832026-01-17 19:36
I don't like playing meta teams so she's so good to slot into my random BS go teams
Particular_Web32152026-01-18 00:36
Bro most ppl barely have C4 iansan, let alone C6. Plus it's easy to mess up with iansan since her atk boost and jightsoul bar uptime are very fickle
SUPERCOW72026-01-18 02:38
...Escoffier? In a Mavuika team?? What's this hot jank?
Me_to_Dazai2026-01-17 18:15
I find it funny how people said Citlali was a more "useful" or "versatile" support than Xilonen lol like the Citlali glazing was crazy ngl. Only Mavuika really wants Citlali now and yeah, Xilonen might not be BiS for anyone rn but she's a more universal and useful option than Citlali in nearly every team
Nunu56172026-01-17 18:30
Basically some people act like everyone has every character and if a versatile character isn’t first choice option in any top meta team, then they’re dogshit
kara_no_tamashi2026-01-17 21:27
Not only that but they assume that among people doing end-game content nobody's having vertical investment which is ... the assumption of all time, xilonen is a BiS for high invested Mavuika with sig and cons, and of course when Xilone has sig and Cons, she is also BiS in a lot of teams.
In this abyss she is in the most used teams of :
\_ Mavuika
\_Neuvlette
\_ Arlecchino
\_ Clorinde
and as you said, as soon there's a flex slot in some of these DPS teams for any account, Xilonen can just be added to the line-up.
SecyaDenali2026-01-17 17:45
Ineffa and Bina loves Xilonen its literal perfect synergy for geo characters
OriginCycle2026-01-17 17:58
Not Ineffa, but Xilonen + Furina + Columbina is a pretty solid comp for geo units.
IS_Mythix2026-01-17 18:59
Ineffa can also very much work over furina here as well
Fabulous_Ground_19832026-01-17 21:39
Even better if you have c2 Xilo
Cormacolinde2026-01-17 18:02
Yeah, been using Arle/Bina/Ineffa/Xilonen and it’s hilarious. So many reactions. So much damage.
RegretfulChoice2026-01-17 17:54
When I saw CCs saying Xilonen fell off before her **1st rerun**, I stopped watching CCs.
The second half was so shilled for lunar charged that I was able to easily clear it with level 70 Columbina and Ineffa wheelchair (both also had level 0 artifacts) for Neuvillette.
S+ tier for those 2 indeed.
galathyniu-s2026-01-17 17:54
I used an underbuilt Columbina with Aino, Yae, Jean and it was the first time in a while getting 36 stars without rage quitting because of the annoying lunar shill and my lack of Nod-Krai characters.
HERODMasta2026-01-17 21:05
Columbina revived/buffed so many old characters just because she's the lunar archon of damage scaling.
my C0R1 Raiden (which fell off) and C0R1 Navia (which did already well) are dealing SO much more damage now, it's not even funny. and I'm just at lvl79 6/6/6 C0R0
GetFiltered2026-01-17 18:04
Ineffa alone+ any hydro is enough. This Abyss is basically a freebie, no effort or account development required whatsoever.
Darcula042026-01-17 18:08
My top side team struggled with wayobs and needed 2 min 20 seconds to clear, leaving only 40 seconds to clear the cactus, my ineffa bina team cleared it with 5 seconds to spare 😭. Granted my ineffa is C2 but still, bina talents weren't leveled, and ineffa wasn't even on her new set, and the rest of the team had improvements possible too
Me_to_Dazai2026-01-17 18:08
Not just the second half, the premium LC team with Flins, Bina, Ineffa, Sucrose is just stupid strong in general. My Flins was able to demolish the first half so the second half is basically a joke
LucinaDevotee2026-01-17 20:36
Why are we acting like Abyss requires super built 5*s to clear? It’s the easiest endgame mode by a far margin.
TheRealNequam2026-01-17 23:24
I used a completely scuffed team of Mizuki, Ororon, Furina and lvl 80 Columbina and easily cleared it, its insane how hard it shilled lunar charged
neuvvv2026-01-17 17:33
ineffa unstoppable omg
glad to contribute on escoffier usage btw
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u-o-h2026-01-17 17:39
This is the monthly reminder that usage rates are relative to ownership. Nearly everyone has Sucrose, only 40% of the people who uploaded clears have Flins.
If 100% of the Flins players used Sucrose, it'd only push her up to the bottom of the next tier.
zriL-2026-01-17 17:47
Yes, in usage count, Sucrose is above Mavuika, Escoffier, Nefer, Lauma. I wish people used the actual useful metric more.
Fancy_Society_69142026-01-17 17:41
Shilled so hard even Jahoda seen more play than Chevy.
SecyaDenali2026-01-17 17:42
I didnt realise I got the GOAT six months ago.
She walloped with Aino C1, Bennett C0, Sucrose C4
R3 Sac Staff 85/185 2pc2pc random lol
Aino truely is a genius.
Im just gonna play Ineffa National for her carry team too much fun going unga bunga.
Kreddak2026-01-17 17:42
And all the **Bad Hex characters** are still really bad and went straight to the Abyss after novelty ended despite the Spreadsheets Warriors saying otherwise.
Worst buff I ever saw in a Gacha Game by mile.
TaruTaru232026-01-17 17:47
Nicole gonna do giga heavy lifting on this lmao
That's being said HSR buffs aside of Kafka one are worse 😂
Kreddak2026-01-17 17:49
MHY will just sell a completely new Hex team mostly incompatible with the old characters.
And people will gladly eat up and thank them for the kindness.
TaruTaru232026-01-17 17:56
I can see the 4/4 full premium Hex team incoming with one of the member having Escoffier like skill but instead of 2/3/4 hydro and cryo it's 2/3/4 member of Hex in party lmao
Venti and Durin likely into this and obviously we know who are going to be the last two 😉😉
Play_more_FFS2026-01-17 18:53
The SW buffs are very good. Made her worth using again whenever I have to fight off element, especially in AS.
Blade and Jingliu need E1 but at that point just use a brand new DPS from the latest version.
The devs should just stick to buffing old supports since buffing a DPS is pointless if this is how they are going to design their reworks.
Xc4lib3r2026-01-17 17:49
Yeah because they need an activation requirement which is really niche. Nearly no one would want to use a team with 2 Hex characters. They made the buff utterly useless since it needs another hex character in the team, limiting team building flexibility.
Me_to_Dazai2026-01-17 18:26
It IS easy enough to fit 2 Hex characters into nearly any team and make it good enough to clear abyss BUT 1/2 of those Hex characters must be Durin which is the real issue (or not depending on how you look at it) lol
Durin/Albedo, Durin/Sucrose or Durin/Fischl for overload is a pretty good wheelchair for pretty much any old DPS (except Dendro Dps' not named Kinich) but again, Durin is the crucial element
peerawitppr2026-01-17 18:02
The buffs weren't supposed to make older characters better than newer chars anyway, they were only to make them playable, not meta.
Kreddak2026-01-17 18:10
Playable for what 6 months, the powercreep will go even higher in Snezhnaya.
Nah the Hex gimmick was made to sell you complete new team for Varka and Nicole.
Cormacolinde2026-01-17 18:05
You’ll see it more with Varka, he’ll likely need an hexerei team.
ThatOstrichGuy2026-01-17 18:13
I think the buffs were pretty fine for characters like Razor. I wonder if the issue is that because he was so bad before no one bothered to build him. Leveling a character takes way too many resources in this game. Even people with c6 Razor still need to weigh the the value of building him. A brand new meta character, or an old one that is much better now, but still very far off meta.
If I could spend 2-3 days and have razor at 80/90 with all level 8 talents I probably would build him. I just don't have the resources.
GameWoods2026-01-17 18:25
Not even close lol.
Bros mad Klee didn't reverse powercreep Mavuika. Free yourself from agenda impact and realize that you can use literally any unit in endgame.
markcan_killua2026-01-17 18:33
it’s so funny seeing people were saying ‘razor and klee are gonna be more meta than arle, neuv they fell off!! etc.’ when they didn’t even come close to touching them lmao
nanimeanswhat2026-01-17 18:54
Chill, most people haven't farmed the new set yet it hasn't even been a week.
As for Razor, he's a 4*, he was never going to have any serious play.
Leolarizza2026-01-17 18:44
those are very very good buffs, really, they didn't raise the ceilling, they just made the teams work, if you like klee, you are happy, but if you are a meta slave you just don't care and play mavuika instead, really the best of both words.
It would be a nightmare to have hex characters at 150k+ dps (specially when at the time we didn't know they would give lunar chars 150k+)
TaruTaru232026-01-17 18:47
Lunar charged and Lunar bloom team already 150k+ while being easier to play than Mavuika
Leolarizza2026-01-17 18:48
yep, yep, just used the power creep queen as an example, sadly they did the worst decision ever to power creep the queen
TaruTaru232026-01-17 18:50
And now lunar teams are there for the queen to pay for her sin
AndrisPronis2026-01-17 17:44
Ineffa really is the goat in this abyss. I cleared second half with a classic taser team, but replacing Beidou with Ineffa, and it was easy despite my Ineffa having pretty mid build with rainbow artifacts
Mal-ga2026-01-17 17:45
Venti just got buffed but he has the lowest abyss usage again among the Archons.
Jirul112026-01-17 17:55
no more aoe content that has 40 enemies
TetraNeuron2026-01-17 18:57
Venti buffs just weren't that great. Unlike Fischl or Mona buffs that made them better at what they're already good at,
Venti buffs were a half-baked attempt to change him from a support to a carry
Particular_Web32152026-01-18 00:34
Well his buffs as a support are FINE....but we are currently in lunar meta where only EM, res shred and lunar dmg boost matters, which venti can only supply res shred via VV as he provides elemental dmg boost to the onfielder. Sucrose can share teamwide EM and decent grouping, good enough for flins, and even C6 jahoda can provide decent lunar dmg boost and crit buffs.
jamieaka2026-01-18 00:44
If they ever put venti in the temper thyself constellation event it would make him a lot better
dennisleonardo2026-01-18 02:30
Hexerei venti is actually a fairly good anemo support now tbf. Certainly better than kazuha and somewhat comparable to C6 faruzan.
But as a carry? Not significantly above xiao and wanderer.
He's not supposed to be tho. None of the hexerei characters were supposed to become meta carries. C1 klee is about as strong as C0 arlecchino. Venti is in line with the other anemo carries. Razor cracks 100k but also hogs all the top tier supports (similar to gaming actually).
None of them became meta. The buffs were supposed to make them viable in today's meta, not optimal. And that's what they are. You can use klee in endgame content without bringing SHAME to your ancestors now. That was the intention behind the buffs.
This is why we shouldn't expect too much from the rumored liyue buffs. If they really primarily affect the liyue carries (xiao, ganyu, hu tao), they're not suddenly becoming meta. They'll become viable, get a 100k+ team and maybe get to 110-120k at C2 with premium teams. Same as klee. C2 klee is above 110k with her premium team. But they're not gonna magically compete with skirk or varesa.
Talia_Black_Writes2026-01-17 18:18
He actually does pretty well with his Durin+Faruzan + Bennett team first half. I was shocked to see him clearing at C0R1 at roughly only 30s slower than my C1R1 Neuvilette premium team.
OrwellianNight2026-01-17 18:49
I played Ningguang Lunar-Crystalize with Columbina first half… good times
AhmCha2026-01-17 18:23
Actually ended up using him on side 2 with Ineffa, XQ, and Fischl. His grouping made Sigurd and Knuckle Duckle way easier.
MNUUUUU2026-01-17 18:42
I used main DPS Venti in all Chambers except 12 and he was pretty good. I just didn't use him for 12 because I had both Neuvillete for the first half and Ineffa for the second, so there was no real incentive to using him.
Lin_Mie2026-01-17 19:25
Because it is easier to use other chars 🤷🤷
NoPalpitation28462026-01-17 17:48
My favorite Lunar Characters!
Furina and Xilonen!
Wait a minute...
durinmain2026-01-17 17:54
My clornide 36 abyss this time .. well ineffa carried hard
Speedypanda42026-01-17 17:56
Neuvi nearly double the usage of Mavuika is insane.
IS_Mythix2026-01-17 18:36
Tbf first side has a pyro enemy and second side is hard taser shill
Speedypanda42026-01-17 18:49
Mav can easily brute force the Pyro wayob. I beat the first half with a Mavuika overload team of 4*s.
The Charged attack abyss buff works really well for her too.
Old_Manufacturer5892026-01-17 19:21
>Mav can easily brute force the Pyro wayob. I beat the first half with a Mavuika overload team of 4\*s.
That doesn't matter in these kind of samples. Mavuika Overload simply isn't popular regardless of how strong it is. So if Melt is countered, Mavuika's usage will fall.
The most used Mavuika team here is still Melt on first half, because they can bruteforce if overinvested.
Similarly, Arlecchino OL was never used despite being her best team pre-Citlali, or double hydro that was always more used than Xianyun for Hu Tao.
Speedypanda42026-01-17 19:27
That wasn't the point. I used overload as an example of how I personally beat it.
My point was that if Mav in a 4\* overload team can easily brute force it, then her premium melt team, which is more powerful and more popular, could too.
Old_Manufacturer5892026-01-17 19:30
Overload doesn't have to bruteforce anything, though? Overload is very good for the Pyro wayob as it's good to destroy the shield.
Melt has to bruteforce by killing the Wayob before it even has time to get its shield, because destroying the shield otherwise takes literal ages
DigiAirship2026-01-18 04:18
I beat this abyss with Mavuika melt first half and standard Neuv with Fischl subbing in for Xilonen second half. It was braindead easy, even the wayobs only lasted a few seconds. I actually kind of forgot how wayobs work, so I was surprised when they didn't counter my team at all. I just figured they didn't actually counter her after all... But now that you're saying they do, I'm guessing they are just that weak.
Lin_Mie2026-01-17 19:28
People just like to use what is easier
Xlegace2026-01-18 01:39
This dataset loves Neuv and uses him every chance he's viable
It's been that way for almost 2 years now
TetraNeuron2026-01-17 19:00
Grandpa Neuvilette is perfect wheelchair user of Ineffa/Bina
Old_Manufacturer5892026-01-17 19:22
There are more C1R1 owners than C0R0 owners in YSHelper samples. And there are more C1+ Furina owners than C0 owners. Neuv wheelchair teams usages are pretty low in these samples.
Cole_James_CHALMERS2026-01-17 20:58
what happens when you're the best element + also apply a decent amount of it + still decent damage nowadays
Like Aino is basically only Hydro App + Artifact set and she's valuable
Vegetto_ssj2026-01-17 21:57
That isn't enough to stop her.
I easily cleared that side with Yoimiya Overload. But probably it is ppl that like to use the shilled teams.
Absolute_Bias2026-01-18 02:29
Melt Mavuika can still break the Wayob, funnily enough. It's just awkward and annoying.
MaleQueef2026-01-17 19:23
Tbf first half has bonus damage for charged attack and second half with Lunar charged. You can pretty much play him in either half because of the buffs and the enemy lineups.
Speedypanda42026-01-17 19:24
This is a better explanation, I agree.
_liminal2026-01-17 20:53
it was a very easy abyss, so there's no need to break out mav. I did it with the old 3.x nahida hyperbloom team one side and LC other side with a half built bina/ineffa team.
Various-Plenty-54382026-01-17 21:39
This is the easiest abyss in a long time, makes sense.
When damage check isnt too high Neuvi is just very comfy to use. And he's being buffed first half.
Speedypanda42026-01-17 21:54
That's also valid. I agree.
Educational_Lion_9442026-01-17 23:54
Overall abyss is easy so comfort comes first and he gets buffed first half and second half almost requires ec so at least one electro or hydro dps is preferred so he almost always has a place
ThePoetessOfLesbos2026-01-17 17:58
Chevreuse in C tier is wild 🥀, not the best Abyss for Pyro this time 😔
GetFiltered2026-01-17 18:08
Varesa mowed down the upper half just fine.
ThePoetessOfLesbos2026-01-17 18:11
Which is why I was quite surprised about Chevreuse haha, since Varesa BiS is Overload Premium with Durin and Iansan. I suppose that it's partially because B, people may have temporarily swapped around to a Varesa Lunar Charged team to deal with the shilling, and B, a lot of people have Chevy, which I believe pulls the percentage down if not all of them use her.
alvenestthol2026-01-17 21:59
It's 100% B, Chevy is a 4\* so she can come from any banner, even if you literally don't have a single DPS that wants to be in Overload
Shocker1442026-01-17 18:36
The Cactus and Duck have normal Electro Res compared to increase Pyro Res
Leolarizza2026-01-17 18:41
ppl probably ran her OC team with xilo and furina for the second half. My C0 varesa can clear both sides in less than a minute, so if you have a good varesa, it just depends on which side you lack most of
EddyConejo2026-01-17 19:29
I managed to clear with Varesa R1 + Iansan + Durin + Chevy C6 first half, Arlecchino C2R1 + Fischl C6 + Bennett C6 + Yelan second half.
ThatOstrichGuy2026-01-17 17:59
So glad my instincts were right about Ineffa. I saw her kit and just knew she was going to be incredibly and meta defining
Great-Background15872026-01-18 08:47
Ineffa and Bina are the new Furina & XL of doomposting next year cc will say they are washed when they still in top
KingLollipopJR2026-01-17 18:00
I played Keqing Durin Chev Fischl Top half, Nefer Columbina Lauma Ineffa bottom
dont really like that bottom side is catered towards flins instead of the entire lunar roster, but ineffa + hydro can do all the gimmicks anyways so meh it is what it is.
Main_Elk_89922026-01-17 18:03
Well well well, buffed Venti and Xiao with his premium team still can't top Wanderer, that is the power of catalyst people, when in doubt, give my boi VV and wheelchair him with the strongest reaction and he would beat 4.X unts
masterdiwa2026-01-17 18:04
Furina remains Queen. Now we have two of them. We won!
exiler51292026-01-17 18:12
"Furina is overrated and washed in the Nord Krai era"
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SecyaDenali2026-01-17 18:25
Furina xilonen Ineffa was her first core comp and it lowkey annihilates, that was 6 months ago nothing has changed, Jesus Furina please be thy name.
DevinY12026-01-17 18:19
This is the first time I've ever cleared the abyss and got every star.
Expensive_Writing_722026-01-17 18:20
I knew CC's(cough Zaj cough) were on some premium delulu when they said Xilo will fall off after a few patches...
Worms-Oh-God-Worms2026-01-17 18:23
Might be able to 36 star the abyss for the first time since I pulled both Bina and Ineffa.
qviinn2026-01-17 18:23
Proud to be in the 0.4% of users who cleared with mizuki, my queen
Comfortable_Rip_63002026-01-17 18:24
Honestly surprised Aino is so low, seeing as lunar requires at least 2 NK per team and she's free. If you don't have the NK supports she's kinda a must (especially since we're at the start of NK and the supports were back to back 5.8-6.0)
Nunu56172026-01-17 18:36
A lot of people clearing abyss either have 2 Nod Krai 5stars or an invested comp to just brute force
Aino getting 17% usage as a placeholder 4star is actually what’s impressive
DragonriderDark2026-01-17 18:46
Probably because more people own Nod Krai characters and Columbina also counts. And this abyss only needs one lunar team for 2nd half.
Kingrion9k2026-01-17 19:19
Because she is free, pretty much everyone has her which dilutes the usage rate. Being the highest out of all the characters you’d get for pretty much free is already great
Old_Manufacturer5892026-01-17 19:27
17.5% as a free 4\* character is actually huge, especially when she got a 5\* replacement.
great-baby-red2026-01-17 18:26
I don't have any of the Lunar reaction units so looking at this, there's definitely gotta be some bullshit on floor 12. Might take multiple tries
D3m0nSl4y3r20102026-01-17 19:42
You betcha! We got Lightkeeper, EC-Cactus and Knuckle-Duckle!
Can't wait for nod-krai shill to be over just 8 more months.
Exorrt2026-01-17 21:23
I rolled for columbina so I'll take my 8 months of free gems
Count_de_Mits2026-01-18 00:25
I hate not-Mexican Cactus man so much its unreal
Absolute_Bias2026-01-18 02:26
Decent quest, abominable boss.
Kingpimpy2026-01-17 20:21
i literally ran c1r1 cyno c0r1 bina c0 jahoda c6r1 (venti bow) fischl
it was laughable
first half just abuse anything with charged attack i personally went with my chasca but neuv or mavuika are prolly just as good as long you got the mavuika premium team
Skylair952026-01-18 02:15
First side is fairly simple. No unique gimmick or anything, just some enemies with a bit of res to some elements, but very easy to brute force with any team.
Second half tho... Sigurd, Cactus and the Duck. Still easy to manage without a lunar team if you have a good "EC" team (i did it with Clorinde, Furina, Fischl and Jean), but if you don't have lunar or some good electro and hydro character, you will have a tough time brute forcing that one.
Historical_Yak21482026-01-17 18:31
how tf escoffier got higher usage rate than skirk
Zsamy2026-01-17 18:44
she's used by all other cryo carries + some other teams outside freeze because her off field damage is still pretty good
4to5enthusiast2026-01-17 19:24
less people have her as you can see on the next image
pokebuzz1232026-01-18 00:07
Escoffier isn't locked behind Skirk, she's useful for way more cases. Wrio is there at 17%, and I know a very good chunk of Wrio players used Escoffier. Skirk being a main DPS also hurts her usage rate since, unless doing burst Skirk, she's competing for one slot as opposed to three.
KnownCartographer02026-01-17 18:35
ah yes, the so called "powercrept" and "Washed" character at the top of the list, furina.
Genshin community will see whale content and declare anything garbage
Old_Manufacturer5892026-01-17 19:11
The average constellation of Furina here is C1.7. There are almost as much C2 Furina havers as C0 Furina havers in this sample.
And she herself is mostly used with Neuvillette where 57.3% of them are C1, only 21.1% of them are C0, and 51.6% of them have R1.
They're part of the characters with the highest constellations ownership. They're not "washed", but to say they're not powercrept is being delusional.
First half also has a CA buff for Neuv.
blueragemage2026-01-17 23:55
Furina also still is on the best team for a T0 character (Skirk), so it's hard to call her washed. Powercrept is still kinda fair though, she went from basically the best character in the game to somewhere in the top 10
ErenIsNotADevil2026-01-17 18:39
I wonder how many of those 1,234ish Travelers were Hydro Travelers that nine-starred it.
Probably under 10, but yet I wonder
OpenWerewolf57352026-01-17 18:40
as an Emilie main, wtf… guys… she’s good i PROMISE 🥹
Spiral14072026-01-17 18:41
I remember when people told me not to pull Furina in 6.1. so glad I didn't listen
Fantastic_Bend90912026-01-17 19:01
ah yes, furina and xilonen, two characters "who are not that great" according to some people
sishanyzz2026-01-17 21:44
who the hell said that, do they main physical damage?
Doneifundone2026-01-17 21:47
I mean neuvillette is getting shilled, they're two of his best teammates
Tho tbh even if xilonen isn't the best in the currently shilled teams (lunar reactions) due to sucrose existing, unconditional res shred across Multiwave content makes her so much more comfy to use in abyss and theatre. + Her exploration is neat in open world. Which is why even if she "fell off", I'll never regret pulling her. The only game mode where the spreadsheet dps difference between her and sucrose might matter is SO, and even then, a well built Flins team should clear LC content regardless
Educational_Lion_9442026-01-18 00:17
Most people who are upset about these sort of statements get them second hand and miss the context about, how much they create new/upgrade team archetypes whilst disregarding easy of use and flexibility. Which is a fair argument to make but 3 conversations people down the line just hear “x fell off”
Chance-Range28552026-01-18 00:53
Im still confused on how these "people" arrived to the conclusion that Xilonen will fall off lmao
Durtius2026-01-17 19:17
Shows how shilled this abyss was, tho. Was able to easily clear with chasca and varesa
Gray_Tower2026-01-17 19:26
This Abyss was way easier than I thought it'd be. Neuvillette and Ororon just absolutely destroy the second half lmao
Svizek2026-01-17 19:51
My boy Kazuha is still relevant 🥹
mrs_halloween2026-01-17 20:11
It’s ineffatble that this would happen.
iLordDeath2026-01-17 20:12
my alhaitham team in the 2.9% i guess xd
I_am_not_Serabia2026-01-17 22:19
Why the f you posted it? Take an example from other guys and realize that you should post teams. This shit is useless.
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High single target burst, super wide AOE with also bullshit damage, nearly everyone dealing damage, multiple elemental application for shield breaking and on top of that very easy to play while at least Mavuika needs some skill... This team even more braindead than Neuvillette on his heyday...
You got Ineffa's sustain and high off field damage, bina also provide buffs and off field damage with no circle impact and then sucrose for grouping and shred res and on top of that Flins just punish them with his high burst damage that also has fucking wide AOE and he also not combo reliant.
I can see this team will still have high usage against contents thats not directly countering them... the team deals optimized Mavuika combo damage level by totally turning your brain off...
Now that everyone's out, I can confidently say I made the wrong choice. Nefer isn't bad by any means, but her charged attack gameplay is annoying for someone like me with low skill, not to mention I feel compelled to get Lauma C1 when she reruns, making it more expensive overall. It also feels like the amount of bosses shilling lunar Charged are far more than the bosses shilling lunar bloom, making Flins and Ineffa overall a more valuable pick overall. So yeah, I regret it a little, seeing how good Flins mains have it now.
even if her shield scaling is good, most people opt for more damage > better shield hence the paper shield allegations
The lunar charge comp is kind of a synergsitic super exodia. For nefer and zibai, their dmg comes primarily from themselves, but flins can save his bursts since ineffa and columbina are often to destroy some elite waves on their own.
That AQ story was too good + her pull value went stonks since she can handle lunar shill by herself + Bineffa wheelchair + works with many older DPSs like Arle/Neuv
This team was just bullshit all around and shilling makes them even worse
Flins: average 0.7, 58.1% C0, 27.1% C1, 10.3% C2
Columbina: average 0.5, 76.6% C0, 6.4% C1, 12.5% C2
Furina: average 1.7, 36.7% C0, 35.5% C2
Neuvillette: average 1.4, 21.1% C0, 57.3% C1
Citlali: average 0.5, 75.4% C0
Lauma: average 0.3, 83.2% C0
Nefer: average 0.5, 79.2% C0
Escoffier: average 0.2, 88.1% C0
Mavuika: average 1.2, 53% C0, 8.6% C1, 27.9% C2
Varesa: average 1.2, 53% C0, 7.6% C1, 27.8% C2
Durin: average 1.3, 51.1% C0, 9.2% C1, 27.2% C2
Skirk: average 0.7: 69.9% C0
Wrio: average 4.2, 59.3% C6
Arle: average 2.5, 14.6% C0
Chasca: average 2.4, 27.9% C0, 30.3% C2, 24.3% C6
In this abyss she is in the most used teams of :
\_ Mavuika
\_Neuvlette
\_ Arlecchino
\_ Clorinde
and as you said, as soon there's a flex slot in some of these DPS teams for any account, Xilonen can just be added to the line-up.
S+ tier for those 2 indeed.
my C0R1 Raiden (which fell off) and C0R1 Navia (which did already well) are dealing SO much more damage now, it's not even funny. and I'm just at lvl79 6/6/6 C0R0
glad to contribute on escoffier usage btw
If 100% of the Flins players used Sucrose, it'd only push her up to the bottom of the next tier.
She walloped with Aino C1, Bennett C0, Sucrose C4
R3 Sac Staff 85/185 2pc2pc random lol
Aino truely is a genius.
Im just gonna play Ineffa National for her carry team too much fun going unga bunga.
Worst buff I ever saw in a Gacha Game by mile.
That's being said HSR buffs aside of Kafka one are worse 😂
And people will gladly eat up and thank them for the kindness.
Venti and Durin likely into this and obviously we know who are going to be the last two 😉😉
Blade and Jingliu need E1 but at that point just use a brand new DPS from the latest version.
The devs should just stick to buffing old supports since buffing a DPS is pointless if this is how they are going to design their reworks.
Durin/Albedo, Durin/Sucrose or Durin/Fischl for overload is a pretty good wheelchair for pretty much any old DPS (except Dendro Dps' not named Kinich) but again, Durin is the crucial element
Nah the Hex gimmick was made to sell you complete new team for Varka and Nicole.
If I could spend 2-3 days and have razor at 80/90 with all level 8 talents I probably would build him. I just don't have the resources.
Bros mad Klee didn't reverse powercreep Mavuika. Free yourself from agenda impact and realize that you can use literally any unit in endgame.
As for Razor, he's a 4*, he was never going to have any serious play.
It would be a nightmare to have hex characters at 150k+ dps (specially when at the time we didn't know they would give lunar chars 150k+)
Venti buffs were a half-baked attempt to change him from a support to a carry
But as a carry? Not significantly above xiao and wanderer.
He's not supposed to be tho. None of the hexerei characters were supposed to become meta carries. C1 klee is about as strong as C0 arlecchino. Venti is in line with the other anemo carries. Razor cracks 100k but also hogs all the top tier supports (similar to gaming actually).
None of them became meta. The buffs were supposed to make them viable in today's meta, not optimal. And that's what they are. You can use klee in endgame content without bringing SHAME to your ancestors now. That was the intention behind the buffs.
This is why we shouldn't expect too much from the rumored liyue buffs. If they really primarily affect the liyue carries (xiao, ganyu, hu tao), they're not suddenly becoming meta. They'll become viable, get a 100k+ team and maybe get to 110-120k at C2 with premium teams. Same as klee. C2 klee is above 110k with her premium team. But they're not gonna magically compete with skirk or varesa.
Furina and Xilonen!
Wait a minute...
The Charged attack abyss buff works really well for her too.
That doesn't matter in these kind of samples. Mavuika Overload simply isn't popular regardless of how strong it is. So if Melt is countered, Mavuika's usage will fall.
The most used Mavuika team here is still Melt on first half, because they can bruteforce if overinvested.
Similarly, Arlecchino OL was never used despite being her best team pre-Citlali, or double hydro that was always more used than Xianyun for Hu Tao.
My point was that if Mav in a 4\* overload team can easily brute force it, then her premium melt team, which is more powerful and more popular, could too.
Melt has to bruteforce by killing the Wayob before it even has time to get its shield, because destroying the shield otherwise takes literal ages
It's been that way for almost 2 years now
Like Aino is basically only Hydro App + Artifact set and she's valuable
I easily cleared that side with Yoimiya Overload. But probably it is ppl that like to use the shilled teams.
When damage check isnt too high Neuvi is just very comfy to use. And he's being buffed first half.
dont really like that bottom side is catered towards flins instead of the entire lunar roster, but ineffa + hydro can do all the gimmicks anyways so meh it is what it is.
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Aino getting 17% usage as a placeholder 4star is actually what’s impressive
Can't wait for nod-krai shill to be over just 8 more months.
it was laughable
first half just abuse anything with charged attack i personally went with my chasca but neuv or mavuika are prolly just as good as long you got the mavuika premium team
Second half tho... Sigurd, Cactus and the Duck. Still easy to manage without a lunar team if you have a good "EC" team (i did it with Clorinde, Furina, Fischl and Jean), but if you don't have lunar or some good electro and hydro character, you will have a tough time brute forcing that one.
Genshin community will see whale content and declare anything garbage
And she herself is mostly used with Neuvillette where 57.3% of them are C1, only 21.1% of them are C0, and 51.6% of them have R1.
They're part of the characters with the highest constellations ownership. They're not "washed", but to say they're not powercrept is being delusional.
First half also has a CA buff for Neuv.
Probably under 10, but yet I wonder
Tho tbh even if xilonen isn't the best in the currently shilled teams (lunar reactions) due to sucrose existing, unconditional res shred across Multiwave content makes her so much more comfy to use in abyss and theatre. + Her exploration is neat in open world. Which is why even if she "fell off", I'll never regret pulling her. The only game mode where the spreadsheet dps difference between her and sucrose might matter is SO, and even then, a well built Flins team should clear LC content regardless
E: ofc not to mention there is no source