Act 8 boss: The lack of a fail state and My personal gripe with Genshins AQ

Is there a way to lose that fight? This AQ was the most suspenseful quest I ever experienced in genshin and I was on the edge of my seat until my Nefers health went to 0 and it just shot right back up with a message like "you cant fall here" or something. That took the suspense out of the fight knowing Im scripted to not lose no matter what.

Similarly, I remember early HSR against the Phantylia boss fight you can just straight up lose. Knowing that I was really able to immerse myself better in the story. Im pretty sure early genshin quests the bosses could actually kill you too. Making you have to restart upon failure.

I wonder why we're moving to a more streamlined experience. I enjoy stuff like traveler having more voice lines instead of us just pressing on his dialog during conversations. And I dont mind being forced to use certain characters involved in the story for immersion purposes. Just not being able to die in a boss fight rubs me the wrong way as a gamer.

Obviously this is low on the totem pole of genshin critique but I was just curious if anyone else might have felt the same way. Do you think the game would be better if it were possible to lose and have to restart in the middle of a story boss fight?

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Entire-Magazine-42832026-01-17 19:57

Honestly no, it doesn't bother me. As a matter of fact, I'm kinda happy that they do it like that. Story Bosses should, in my opinion, not be able to kill you, because
a.) many Gachas (including GI lately) force you to use certain units and I honestly don't fully understand how to play Flins or Nefer (I have neither). Dying over and over, only because I don't understand how to use these characters, would greatly annoy me. And
b.) when I play through the story, then I want to experience the story and get the Boss Fight over as quickly as possible to go back to the story. I can fight the Boss again on the highest difficulty later!

bastianwibisana2026-01-17 20:02

agree on b. OP can always challenge the boss after. losing on purpose shouldnt be a thing, youre just wasting more time

Gold_Pineapple76442026-01-17 20:33

Even if I understood a character playstyle, being stuck in a boss when all you want is progress and read more of the story sucks ass. I was stuck in that Rerir boss fight for almost 10 minutes because I didn't understand what to do to trigger the next part and that was an awful experience. Just let me progress...

takenusername50012026-01-17 19:58

Probably a trade off for giving you a story accurate team

AnnaqgzVerbena2026-01-17 20:01

A loyal, doomed squadd. How histotorically accccurate.

Dalek-baka2026-01-17 20:05

After fights in Nasha town (by Celestia, Flins seems to be dying when someone looks in his general direction), I actually liked that this fight was more of a spectacle than just regular-degular fight.

Not a fan of quicktime events but at least there was fun bs Dottore was doing, like reversing controls to keep me interested.

vale93kotor2026-01-17 20:10

Story should be story, if you want to play a hard game don't play a gacha

Spiral14072026-01-17 20:13

Yeah I hate it when they do this. The game basically plays itself at that point

lgn5i20602026-01-17 20:55

It's for the game's general audience.

Illustrious_Kiwi55182026-01-17 20:20

I don't mind the feature since I have experienced the opposite in hsr (where I died multiple times to bosses in penacony since I was somewhat underleveled) which really disrupted the flow of the quest for me

fiersome082026-01-17 20:22

After reading most of the comments here, it’s no surprise that non endgame modes in GI are so easy, it’s what the player base wants

As for me, maybe I’m just used to how easy genshin’s story mode is, so I don’t think too much about it. But I also wouldn’t complain if they made it harder.

Edit: Additionally, one thing that makes video games different from other media is you can experience what the mc feels firsthand. If a fight is meant to be intense but ends up being easy, it completely ruins the immersion

Gold_Pineapple76442026-01-17 20:38

You say this in what I can only understand being a demeaning tone, but yes, Genshin never proposed itself as a game to be challenging, it's playerbase want a cool open world experience with beautiful scenery and a captivating story to follow, not specialized combat, and that's totally fine. Not every game should be combat focused, relaxing games can exist as well for people more laid back.

fiersome082026-01-17 20:45

Yeah, i don't mind either ways. I'm here for the story, so as long as they don't ruin the immersion i don't really care

La-Roca992026-01-17 20:24

>Im pretty sure early genshin quests the bosses could actually kill you too. Making you have to restart upon failure.

Day 1 Genshin: Childe too hard, plz nerf

Day 1937: Dottore too easy, plz let us die

>Do you think the game would be better if it were possible to lose and have to restart in the middle of a story boss fight?

I mean sure, might as well also repeat the 2 hour long quest from right before with no stop whatsoever just to get there like Raiden after losing against her

After you have to do it twice, you are gonna most likely hate the idea for the rest of your life

>I wonder why we're moving to a more streamlined experience.

Ask the entire gaming industry, and journalist failing tutorials for more information

Long are gone the times where figuring out a game on your own was a thing, nowadays everything is streamlined, handholded, and simple to keep tiktok brains attention span as long as possible with flashy effects

Gold_Pineapple76442026-01-17 20:29

I don't know when they started doing this, and I don't mind it either. In fact, this pleases me more, since I don't want to feel stressed doing the story. The game is supposed to be something to have fun with, not sweaty and challenging. At least I don't get enjoyment out of challenges, so yeah... glad they streamlined these things.

As for why they did this, every boss had people complaining about being too hard. If you go back Luna 1 livestream (at 58:32), you'll see that people complained even about the open world coop bosses and domains. Not everyone playing this game are professional gamers, not everyone playing are doing so in a console/PC. There's a lot of young kids playing, people playing on mobile, people that Genshin is one of their first games, older people that don't have good reflexes anymore or are like me, uninterested in challenges that just want to sit back and relax.

Genshin is a game for the general public, so it'll try to be something playable for the lowest common denominator at the expense of being a great game for the gamer.

Darkfire13782026-01-17 20:58

Normally I would agree, Lacking a Fail state is some BS.

But I've seen the Avg Genshin players build.

Getting Hard stuck in a story quest where you can't Co-op your way out of it is not the way they wanna do this.

Mr_Graymans2026-01-17 22:29

I don't have an issue with the story lacking a fail state since someone could argue it might break immersion. However, I wish events in boss fights like quick time events were more impactful rather than a fake option. One idea that could work would be, Instead of adding fail states in bosses they could give players win states instead. Like if they have a quick time event in the fight and you fail, it won't matter, but if you succeed you get a cooler cutscene or do extra damage.

LackingSimplicity2026-01-17 22:42

I'd hardly call restarting the fight immersive either