Be Honest. Do you think the Fandom is too Averse to Criticism to discuss anything other than Praising what's in front of Them?

As the title implies. Yeah. Its what I've noticed in the few years I've played this game and used this subreddit for updates/discussion, but for the latter, its definitely done in a much more controlled and sanitized way, because otherwise, regardless of the validity, productivity, and especially the effort put into them, it just seems to get heavily criticized in turn.

I know what an Agenda is, I don't live under a rock, but ignoring those kinds of posts, for those that genuinely want to discuss and talk about something more critically, the reaction is usually violent.

For me for example, Nod-Krai marks the second set of regional trailers in a row wherein several elements are unused or don't make sense, especially once the content of the Story Quests rolled out, and I have some thoughts about it. Is this considered a Hot Take?

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kujah_0h2026-01-18 08:43

Thanks for the instant downvote 2 mins after posting.

CharlesEverettDekker2026-01-18 08:45

Yes. Simple as.

kujah_0h2026-01-18 08:49

Shame. In the 5+ years this game has existed you'd think the playerbase could mature by then.

katbelleinthedark2026-01-18 10:37

That'd imply that it's the same stagnant playerbase that grows older alongside the game and that thousands of new people don't start playing it every year, thus being "new to fandom" all the time. Also, a bunch of those are literal teens, how much maturity do you expect of them?

blizg2026-01-18 08:47

Did you just find out what a thesaurus is, and used it to make the most verbose post ever that actually says nothing at all?

kujah_0h2026-01-18 08:51

Is this a joke? I separated 3 points into short, barely paragraphs.

rW0HgFyxoJhYka2026-01-18 09:11

You use way too many commas in either your writing style or the way you talk.

Now to answer your question...the "fandom" that you see online criticizes this game quite a bit. They will loudly complain about what actually are closer to nitpicks rather than major issues of the game.

So I dont really understand why you think the fandom is criticism adverse. They are not. Gamers loudly say negative things more than positive things online, and especially here on subreddits.

Just this week we had:

1. Character drama around Columbina
2. The new update exploration map is "too small", less than 24 hours after it launced because mofos are finishing it 100% yet again in 1 day as usual, even after complaining about the last patches not having any exploration
3. Criticisms of the story's length and text
4. Of not saving enough and having too long segments or general confusion over quest length or warnings

Anyways, your question is rage bait btw.

Ok so I see 5 minutes ago you actually are talking about how Nodkrai is setup. Wow why didnt you fucking put this in your post then? You aren't super descriptive with what exactly you've got a problem with but:

1. Yes Varka being here is not well explained but guess what, we have the rest of 6.X to figure this out as Varka wraps up his expedition and returns home.
2. I dont get what issue you have with trailers. Trailers are meant to market your product. They do not NEED to have deep hidden meaning. That's a really odd way of looking at trailers. Maybe you dont understand the point of marketing?
3. What plots were nothing burgers specifically? You might be missing some lore or its not wrapped up yet so we have to see what the rest of 6.X has.
4. I think Nod Krai is important in the overall story. They finally addressed a huge number of things. Rhindottre, Durin, Moon Sisters, Dottore, and its happening quickly instead of these things being just a singular focus for an entire patch.

You probably should just wait a week and post a new post with more thoughts fleshed out.

kujah_0h2026-01-18 09:14

"You use way too many commas in either your writing style or the way you talk."

Im busy with a research paper. The habit is leaking everywhere with how I write. And that is not what verbose means. Its using too many words.

"Ok so I see 5 minutes ago you actually are talking about how Nodkrai is setup. Wow why didnt you fucking put this in your post then?"

Im not done with the draft. Its in Notepad.

Zealousideal_Use_9662026-01-18 08:49

I'd say yes. You can easily see this when someone analyzes a character objectively (or sometimes not so much) , people will defend them with tooth and nail even if the arguments they're using make no sense.

DaSpood2026-01-18 08:50

There is constructive criticism and there is "it SUCKS its BAD and worst of all it doesn't match my HEADCANNON"

Most of what people complain about are of the latter. It's not criticism, it's complaining and whining. It doesn't propose solutions (that don't just disregard the entire point hoyo is trying to make with their decisions), it doesn't stay rational, it doesn't even try to be true as a lot of people complain about things that are provably wrong. It's "I don't like it therefore it's bad and it ruins everything and Mondstadt was peak genshin anyway and everything started going downhill at sumeru/natlan".

As for your own post:

- the Nod Krai story is unfinished, we're still missing one expansion and a Dain chapter
- if trailers told the whole story we wouldn't need to play the story, they're just that, trailers, yes the Natlan AQ wasn't about playing catch the ball I'm sure it had devastating consequences for the story

kujah_0h2026-01-18 09:01

I don't mean people whining at characterizations like Columbina or the direction of Nod-Krai/Genshin storywriting. I mean how Nod-Krai was set up and done in general.

Also, I think the trailers have to mean something. It should reflect the regional themes and give hints to what might go down, not create pointless bits for hype and giving nods to headcanons that they were going to disprove anyways. For example, Varka's nonsensical, "we're here for the moon" and several other plot points you think was going to happen, but turned out to be nothingburgers.

I put some thoughts into Notepad and I'll probably repost it again once I reorganize it. It was messy and badly formated. Its mostly for the build up before Dottore popped up and its more of a criticism of how Genshin has been doing story writing in general than direction or anything.

takenusername50012026-01-18 09:06

> Varka's nonsensical, "we're here for the moon"

mondstadt is moon city

kujah_0h2026-01-18 09:11

And what did he do about it? Nothing.

He wasn't even after the moon marrows, he said he just went there on a hunch because there was some vague threat that needed him to be gone for 6 years from Mondstadt, and much of his trip didn't even feel justified till the Traveller pops up.

Alice wasn't even used to give him backstory, or the Hexenzirkle, especially the mage that did the Divination to guide him like the Oracle of Delphi.

takenusername50012026-01-18 09:21

he was there for Mondstadt, as in setting up the intelligence network and to make sure the Nod Krai threats stayed in Nod Krai

Grouchy_Gap452026-01-18 09:23

Talk about a lame excuse as if it wasnt the purpose of everyone in nod krai

DaSpood2026-01-18 09:24

That and *again* we are not even halfway through the cycle, Varka hasn't yet released, Dornman Port is still coming, it's stupid to complain about things that aren't finished yet.

kujah_0h2026-01-18 09:39

Thats a weak justification. He took the vast majority of the KoF's fighting force with him. Thats a pretty unsubtle way of intelligence gathering if you ask me.

Abgott892026-01-18 08:56

It's not even "the fandom", it's just this sub. Go anywhere else and you will find players plenty critical of the game.

kujah_0h2026-01-18 09:03

Yeah but then they're just haters or people who don't really play the game or are so steeped in headcannons that you both probably have different definitions of what happened in the lore.

lgn5i20602026-01-18 09:31

> it's just this sub. Go anywhere else and you will find players plenty critical of the game.

It's the same everywhere. Not sure why this sub was singled out but maybe your reddit algo is different from mine.

toucanlost2026-01-18 08:57

No, there are parts of the fandom where signaling their criticism of it makes them "part of the in-group". Different sites or subreddits have slightly different opinions on which topics to praise, criticize, or ignore. For overly large subreddits like this one, whether you get upvoted or downvoted is like the shifting of the wind. I don't find it worth visiting now, versus following a few CCs who promote a chill community with discussion.

Arnimon2026-01-18 09:03

I think most people are pretty open to criticism if it's genuine, constructive, or just not coming from a place of malice. However, I think today's harsh social media climate tend to make people more defensive. Take "skip button" for example. It is pretty obvious what the replies will be if the post goes:

"Ffs why no skipbutton??? Yap yap yap I just want to skip this dogshit story"

Personally, I don't see any reason to go online to talk about things I dislike when I can talk about things I love. But people can do whatever they like.

Grouchy_Gap452026-01-18 09:50

Remember the natlan hate where everyone was talking openly about things they dislike in natlan rather than things they like...

Grouchy_Gap452026-01-18 10:22

Exactly, in the natlan hate era, several problem that the game had for years for years were simply tossed around as "it is natlan fault for existing". Players slandered natlan so bad by using "constructive criticism" as an excuse. So you see, when this time in nod krai, when we have even more problem, like the lack of exploration, region and columbina being restricted to lunar réactions and being absolute powercreep ( I bet that the reason they dont complain about NK powercreep balance being dogshit, is because mavuika gave them so much margin that they forget all the NK dps powercrept to oblivion every single natlan dps except mav, because it's easier to slander one character rather than an entire system I guess), quest being so long, forcing you to say through hours of dialogues or randomly forced WQ... People just want to défend it with such biased arguments such as: "You're just fatuihq shrouded by your headcanons" or " I like NK so I dont care"... Where was this dedication to positivity back in natlan then? Tell me, I'm genuinely curious ? Why nod krai is getting praise for having the same problems or worse than natlan? And things are going to get worse next patch, according to leaks, but these guys are still going to défend it because "NK is so peak it doesn't matter" to them. Such a shame

fiersome082026-01-18 10:55

Usually, if a post is just a rant or something similar, I will ignore it, because OP clearly isn’t interested in having a discussion.

Sometimes, I do the same thing myself though. Rather than bottling it up inside, I’d rather post it online and be done with it. Of course, I don’t expect a positive response, but my mental health is much more important.

DrusianaEos2026-01-18 09:11

Yes and no...

Subreddits in general are prone to keep a more positive outlook, probably because of the voting system

Other platforms have a lot of complaints (some deserved some ridiculous) about the game and depending on the post reach can gain quite the support

Edit: hihi, I knew I will get downvoted 😂 I was right

SquishyBruiser2026-01-18 09:12

Turns out that if a fandom is constantly attacked and insulted the moment a game is released, it will tend to be more blindly defensive as there were plenty of people pretending to criticize the game, only to start insulting the players that play said game.

Had plenty of that when the game launched and you had the Nintendo crowd foaming at the mouth, because apparently anything Nintendo related is like the 2nd coming of Jesus

Then when ToF launched their global servers

Then when HSR launched

Then when WuWa launched (and it still hasn't stopped)

Is it rather extreme at this point ? Yeah. Am I surprised it turned out like this ? Not really.

issm2026-01-18 10:09

Fandoms are blindly defensive no matter what.

It's kind of the defining feature of being a fandom.

Bierzgal2026-01-18 09:15

> its definitely done in a much more controlled and sanitized way

Well yes, because that's how constructive criticism should look like. "THIS SUCKS!" or "FUCK THIS GAME!" is not useful criticism, it's just venting.

Not to mention anything you write here on Reddit is void. The devs don't read it. It's not feedback that will reach HoYo. If anyone wants to push change in Genshin they can only do it through official surveys. And while it's always worth to talk, people know it's not going anywhere.

Grouchy_Gap452026-01-18 09:46

It's not the fandom: it's specifically this sub. Go to the unofficial subreddit to have a proper discussion with constructive criticism. Here you'll just find NK glazers downvoting the hell out of you for trying to even say something about their so called "peak region"

Black-----Manta2026-01-18 10:18

You're gonna get shat on OP but you're absolutely correct, this fandom HATES any sort of criticism for this game.

Grouchy_Gap452026-01-18 10:24

No they hate any criticism towards anything NK related specifically. When they had to complain about natlan or even sumeru, even when the bad things werent even natlan related (for example the onsen, fanservice with mizuki in Inazuma), oh boy they were so ready to throw hands with anyone liking natlan

Black-----Manta2026-01-18 10:27

I assure you there were just as many people defending those things. And regardless part of it isn't blind hate, it's the actual criticism that's ignored, for pretty much all sections of the gane

Look at the top comment for example. Someone hating on OP for using common English words when all OP was saying that the sub can't handle any negativity thrown toward this game.

exidei2026-01-18 11:38

You got dragged for it, but I agree, and it’s pretty telling that so-called toxic subs have livelier discussions than this giant hub with over three million people. Same goes for memepact: despite its size, barely any posts crack 500 likes anymore. Not to mention that you’re more likely to see different faces on unofficial or leak subs compared to the same brigade that jumps on anyone with even the slightest criticism of the game, especially when it’s about Natlan, female character writing, and stuff like that