How did Columbina regain her Divinity and Authority after rebirth?
I think I understand how Rerir escaped the Moon’s Reflection (Moongate Prison). The most likely explanation is that Il Dottore revived or recreated him. We seem to have a similar case with Columbina, who poured her body into Kuuvaki in Nod-Krai in order to be reborn.
But this raises a much bigger question.
If the Moon’s Reflection / Moongate Prison is specifically designed to imprison Divinity (the soul) and Authority, then how did Columbina get both of those back after being reborn?
According to canon:
“So perhaps this space is specifically designed to imprison divinity (soul) and authority, but not the physical body…”
If that’s the case, then rebirth alone shouldn’t be enough. Her body could return, sure, but her divinity and authority should still be sealed.
So what actually happened here?
• Did someone or something retrieve her divinity from the Moongate?
• Was her authority never fully sealed in the first place?
• Or does rebirth bypass the prison’s function somehow?
Curious what everyone thinks, because right now this feels like a huge missing piece in how the Moongate Prison actually works.
But this raises a much bigger question.
If the Moon’s Reflection / Moongate Prison is specifically designed to imprison Divinity (the soul) and Authority, then how did Columbina get both of those back after being reborn?
According to canon:
“So perhaps this space is specifically designed to imprison divinity (soul) and authority, but not the physical body…”
If that’s the case, then rebirth alone shouldn’t be enough. Her body could return, sure, but her divinity and authority should still be sealed.
So what actually happened here?
• Did someone or something retrieve her divinity from the Moongate?
• Was her authority never fully sealed in the first place?
• Or does rebirth bypass the prison’s function somehow?
Curious what everyone thinks, because right now this feels like a huge missing piece in how the Moongate Prison actually works.
Commentaires
- Part of Bina's soul on Tevyat
- Bina gaining all three of the moon powers
- The moon getting close to Tevyat through the ripped false sky
- Sandrone's work on the World Formula
Each of this probably contributed equally to her complete revival
The Moongate stops them from leaving alive, but doesn't prevent seperating yourself into pieces and rebuilding yourself in the future (only possible with a Descender).
It all sounded like a mcguffin to get the job done.
Rene de Petricor discovered their research and was able to apply it. It lead to him seeing an apocalyptic future and that lead him to create the narzissenkreuz ordo to find a way to survive the apocalypse.
Sandrone adapted Renes work into a formula that can calculate the near future in the correct way that would allow them to bring columbina back.
She could only calculate a way that would work if the moon was inside the false sky though, so that's why she had 90% and then they had to pull the moon inside the sky. The last 10% was thw false sky blocking the connection and sandrone didn't have the computing power to calculate a way to overcome the false sky.
That's also why Wanderer was important since his core is based of a part of irminsul and irminsul calculates the future constantly
Is it like bootstrap paradox, but reverse? So checking the future to see what will you do, but you from the future knew what to do, only because they checked their future, in a loop.
But that's not what happened, once the formula was completed Bina showed up instantly. So it didn't give any insight of the future to anyone.
I don't get it.
She alters the past in a closed loop. Like she wanted to change the past but the only things she did was causing the things that already happend to us (like the books in Flins library or pulling the tarot card).
If your time travel works based on this principle you can apply it to the future as well.
Rene used the world formula to predict the whole future. Sandrone calculated a specific event and that allowed her to see the solution to open uo the prison.
This part is a bit whibbly whobbly, but I interpreted it so that the Wanderer core knew how to open up a gate into the prison and could open the gate thorugh Luonnotar to combine the soul of Columbina with her part in Luonnotar and since her body and lunar authority where already outside the prison the could combine in her full moon goddess form once her soul was free.
"A causal loop, also known as a bootstrap paradox, information loop, information paradox, or ontological paradox, occurs when any event, such as an action, information, an object, or a person, ultimately causes itself, as a consequence of either retrocausality or time travel."
But mechanics of time travel and what we call what isn't what I don't get.
What do they get from World Formula? Do they get information about the future? Rest of their plan? How does something like that instantly pull Columbina together? This is what I don't get.
The loop has a true beginning and a true end and no missing link is required
That is a closed causal loop.
But closed loops are not a paradox under the Novikov self-sonsistency principle since it it states that since that removes the possibility of altering the past in that loop.
And that is important because without the Novikov self-consistency principle the whole calculate the future bit wouldn't work.
Columbina was able to send a piece of her soul to Traveler as Luonnotar
She then sent her body out as Kuuvahki across all of Nod-Krai
Then she hid her authority on the Frost Moon.
It's simply implied to us that chopping yourself into pieces to be mailed out of the prison like this is enough to bypass the prison's rules.
Keep in mind a part of Columbina's soul remained in the prison so it probably thought she was still contained.
Then by the final battle, Luonnotar, Kuuvahki, and the Trilune authority on the Frost Moon, 3 out of 4 parts of Columbina were in one place, which was strong enough to pull the last of her soul out of prison.
Honestly I think the biggest thing you missed is that Columbina explicitly says she put her authority in the Frost Moon.