I saw a lot of people in Youtube shipping this two and i say its a doomed ship especially given the fact that angels are not allowed to fall in love, but what do you guys think?
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SofM22026-01-19 16:00
Forbidden love and cruel fate is what makes it all so juicy. Jk
People like a good angst so it will just fuel the ship even more lol
InukoJon2026-01-19 16:01
I think caring about ships is pointless. There’s enough weirdly attached freakazoids who would not pull a char based on a canonized relationship status so hoyo avoids that subject. Just ship whoever for funsies and don’t expect anything official to come out of it.
Physical-Command21302026-01-19 16:12
what about alice, if she doesn't have a husband I am gonna lose my mind
saberjun2026-01-19 16:26
Do not worry. She has a husband. It’s me.
Physical-Command21302026-01-19 16:39
klee your child?
Lonely-JAR2026-01-19 16:46
He’s not a step dad he’s the dad that stepped up
InukoJon2026-01-20 05:04
Kuma moment
Legitimate_Bat_64902026-01-19 16:40
There only one person who can stop you and that person is me!
YellowFogLights2026-01-19 16:48
I hope they actually mention him at some point, and that he’s alive and well.
My crackpot headcanon is that it’s Liben. Famous worldly adventure, only ever comes back to Mondstadt.
Ok_Astronomer_65012026-01-19 16:52
Funny thing is I was thinking Alice is liben, no real reason for it, I just find it funny
Shayxis2026-01-19 16:24
Sometimes you have to tell these weirdos to go look elsewhere.
But Hoyo only sees the money they can squeeze out of these weirdos.
As a result, we only have bland relationships and we get bored because we know in advance that there won't be any development between the characters.
I don't know, when you play a game, it's for the story or the gameplay.
Not to see butts and boobs shaking in front of your screen.
For me, the development of secondary characters (other than Traveler and Paimon) should also be very important. Apart from a few rare friendships that develop, all the friendships were already there before Traveler arrived.
Only Nod-Krai is a major exception to this rule, where the characters weren't really connected to each other, but the story brought them all together.
In any case, there's something pointing towards a relationship that's more than just friendship between Varka and Nicole, and the Amsvartnir Puzzle reinforces this idea.
Will Hoyo, for once, stand up for themselves and go all the way, even if it means the Weirdo have a fit of tantrum?
Personally, I'd love to see Varka defy fate to save Nicole from her curse.
saberjun2026-01-19 16:26
Bla bla bla🥱😴
Shayxis2026-01-19 16:39
🤪
Darkfire13782026-01-19 16:36
>Will Hoyo, for once, stand up for themselves and go all the way, even if it means the Weirdo have a fit of tantrum?
You mean the Weirdos who also happen to be the primary paying customers?
Ain't no one dropping 2k on a Virtual character except those people.
You've effectively walked into a Gay bar looked around and said maybe we should invite some Women?
"Tech Otaku save the world" is plastered on the door when you walked in.
Shayxis2026-01-19 16:42
What you're quoting is from a bygone era; the slogan is no longer there since they rebranded.
Money shouldn't even be a factor when you're writing a story.
thebourbonoftruth2026-01-19 16:49
Oh sweet summer child...
Gray_Tower2026-01-19 16:53
>the slogan is no longer there
They literally quoted it in the last livestream lmao
>Money shouldn't even be a factor when you're writing a story.
Man I'm sorry, but that's just not how it works, especially not in a gacha game of all things. You want your story to reach the biggest amount of people possible so they get invested in your world and characters, and in this case that directly translates to revenue...which is the end goal of every company
Shayxis2026-01-19 16:56
I don't listen to streams, it's cringeland and makes my ears bleed, I just watch the trailer and then I leave.
funya_rinpa2026-01-19 16:54
lmao, the entire game is built around exploiting people's spending addictions, that is all they care about. If they gave a shit about a good story, they would make a real game.
Saahil_082026-01-19 17:13
I think the story is pretty good and genshin is a great game overall, and yeah gacha games are predatory by nature.
And let me get this straight u think Genshin is not a "REAL" game and it's entire existence is there just to exploit people.......then why are u even playing the game... It's like knowingly steping into a gay club and then complaining that there are no women😐😐
funya_rinpa2026-01-19 19:52
Because I have an addiction like everyone else here.
PuzzledPost72812026-01-19 17:20
So can they add a skip button already if they don't care about writing an actual story?
natiewow2026-01-19 17:01
They "rebranded" in the west, meaning they put publisher's logo instead of miHoYo, but "tech otakus save the world" is still there in their [Chinese videos](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16erhBREXR/).
00110001_001100102026-01-19 17:02
They referenced it in the last Livestream so it seems they didn't completely abandon it.
Also, the last time they royally pissed off their main consumers, someone almost got stabbed. I don't blame them for not taking the risk. Remember that Genshin isn't just a story, it is a game, a *product*.
ReeVsq2026-01-19 16:47
Amsvartnir lore told us that Boreas saw Koitar aka the first Angel as his "mother." Koitar's lover/spouse was Seutervoinen aka the Voyager.
Also, Varka calls Nicole "big sister" in CN/JP/KR. Obviously, this doesn't mean that he sees her as his literal sister, it's a term of respect in this case, because Nicole is much older and of higher status than him. Nicole also talks to him a bit like how you talk to a child (like when she praises him for being brave), because all humans might as well be children to her.
This doesn't mean people can't ship them, it's a fine ship like any other, but don't expect them to go in a romantic direction canonically. They don't do that with playable characters because it would lose them money.
_ONE_PIECE_FAN_2026-01-19 16:50
That puzzle depicts Boreas and Koitar who are mother and son so I wouldn’t really try and use that as evidence. I also feel like I remember something about Varka seeing the Witches as older sisters but I could be wrong.
caucassius2026-01-19 16:51
yes and it goes both ways. it's one thing when the game officiates a playable character with an npc but between two playables could mean antagonizing and losing revenue from two fanbases at once
they won't risk it in a gacha game lol (unless it's a low effort/png gacha where creating characters cost pennies)
Saahil_082026-01-19 16:57
I hate incels so much.... So many good stories will never see the day of light because of these parasites.
Ketzeph2026-01-19 17:16
It’s less incels and more a lot of young men, particularly Asian young men, won’t pull characters they can’t see as a love interest unless the gameplay is extremely strong (and even then you’ll miss out on people pulling). Hoyo wants money from those men. So they avoid any canon relationships.
The game and its story would be much better if a lot more people just saw the traveler as a friend and had no potential interest in him romantically or had other canon love interests.
FerGSL0132026-01-19 17:00
Yup,people even go harass people who are just voicing the characters over this,it will be a surprise if they decide to give Klee's father a face
ZatoTBG2026-01-19 16:04
If angels falling in love is mandated as much as any other rule of present teyvat, then they should be fine since celestia seems to have forgotten about the world.
MamuTwo2026-01-19 16:12
I'd imagine it's more of a curse (automatically enforced) than a law (manually enforced).
Ladru5752026-01-19 16:13
Not unless thus act alone is enough to reactivate the damn celestial nail
PandiTati2026-01-19 16:21
It's a curse, the entire race is already cursed. Condition meeting reality triggers it, not HP themselves.
Just as Khaenriahns, descendants of those who forsook their god, turned hilichurls right after stepping outside Khaenriah. Or, >!similar to Dottore cursing NK AQ cast and it would trigger when they step outside NK borders, but as long as they don't they are fine.!<
AetheravenCatsuki132026-01-19 16:48
Y'know what
Flins X Nicole
Remove the filthy creature known as Homo Sapiens from the equation
Flins and Nicole can doom each other
Alpha06Omega092026-01-19 16:58
You do know this stuff is automated, if she does, curse goes off like a trpwire
asilvertintedrose2026-01-19 16:04
"I say its a doomed ship"
But that's part of the charm!!! And besides Phanes is asleep right now.
DDSNIPERDD2026-01-19 16:05
The Firmament has been cracked open twice, Teyvat's five authorities subsumed twice, the world's restrictions on a Descender loosened, what makes you think Celestia is gonna wake up for this?
kokko6932026-01-19 16:14
Celestia does wake up for shit like this tho
Just like Capitano went to Okhnatlan and just said "hey what do you prefer, that I die even tho I'm supposed to be immortal, or that I'm immortal but I get to take those souls into night kingdom + fix night kingdom?"
Ronova said "f*CK you, the curse stays on, do your night kingdom thing we don't care"
They never wakes up when something happen to the world but they wake up for "personal" grudges.
Neko-Tenshi-182026-01-19 16:22
It's not Celestia waking up, and more Ronova honoring the pact she made with Xbalanque (if the pyro archon use her power, he/she has to pay it with his/her own life).
Capitano only took the chance to achieve his own goal (giving his people peace in the leylines) by taking the place of Mavuika.
kokko6932026-01-19 16:35
Not really.
Ronova does says that after all those years, she isn't interested into this pact anymore. What forced her to accept is that Capitano found the glitch when if he take Mav place, he can't die, and thus nobody has to suffer the pact while having it's benefits.
Ronova preferred that Capitano stays immortal and continue to suffer the Kaenriah curse, that honoring that pact by killing him and doing her part.
JunkoGremory2026-01-19 17:00
Agreed. Renova probably still cares for humanity, despite Lord of the Night words of her going into self loathing.
I bet hoyo is going down something like
The curse of Khaenri'ah is so that their abyss corruption cannot reach the leylines or something.
Weebmaster992026-01-19 16:51
I dont think even the shades are completely sure regarding PO right now.
Even in the God's limit trailer. They seem to have been kinda awaiting instructions.
Renova probably wanted to play safe with the pact.
Lot of speculation right now.
LackingSimplicity2026-01-19 16:28
3 times, Skirk's entrance too
ugur_tatli2026-01-19 16:08
I ship the best yapper in sight with myself so I'm ready to smack HP for her
GetFiltered2026-01-19 16:10
I think that shiptards are obnoxious.
Sanmiie2026-01-19 16:11
It’s a good ship. Would make a great love story if it were to exist as a main one in some book or sth.
Healthy_Call_30732026-01-19 16:14
Nah the hp is asleep so they should be fine
(I hope this doesn't get taken down)
Yosoress2026-01-19 16:15
ship them to khanrea
PinKing12112026-01-19 16:16
They’ll be a happy couple who get to love each other after we rewrite the rules of teyvat
KineticKurt2026-01-19 16:17
Let me guess, "It's not the Jedi way."? But anyway, I don't generally care about shipping, it's up to HOYO on who has a relationship; just like how I watch Avatar the Last Airbender when I was a kid, it was up to the Writers on who has a relationship, and looking back, I find "Zutara" to be humorous considering that Aang and Katara had a long build up of feelings through out four seasons, while Zuko just took Katara on a Life Changing Field Trip
Real-Contest49142026-01-19 16:20
Bold of you assume Phanes wouldn't approve Varka.
The man said he only got a bad a vibe from the abyss and decided to take most of his army to hunt it down.
Considering how anti abyss phanes is, he'd probably approve.
HonestoBee2026-01-19 16:21
Please buff Varka.
sixonenine20002026-01-19 16:21
I don't care.
Positive-Chicken-5232026-01-19 16:21
wait this image is ai?
Fool_an2026-01-19 16:37
I assume so. His hair isn't like that from the front. It's probably a grok generated image or something
caucassius2026-01-19 16:57
wdym that's obviously geparka
Latter-Oil-2412026-01-19 16:22
I want this ship to sail just for the sake of NEPHILIM
TheLuiz2122026-01-19 16:23
There's a movie about this actually. City of Angels.
Basically the angel chose to turn human to be with someone, except that also meant becoming mortal.
YellowFogLights2026-01-19 16:46
Damnit. Now I have Iris by The Goo Goo Dolls in my head.
mizukis_ribbon2026-01-19 16:26
Well, obviously, that will be the first thing HP will notice! Fake sky being torn apart, abyss invasion, rebellion against celestia, who!
(FYI, after the funerary year, Nabu Malikata, one of the few surviving angels, King Deshret was in love with him and she was aware of it, and she ruled Sumeru with the other two gods till she died, do what you want with this info)
zephyrseija22026-01-19 16:27
Varka definitely trying to get up in some divinussy.
ce1es2026-01-19 16:28
I found their scene kinda cute and their opposing knowledge is hilarious. Also a het couple do a change? I’ll take it.
_AscendedLemon_2026-01-19 16:29
They cute enough to break even the laws of Teyvat
MeowjestyMeowgician2026-01-19 16:29
Idc care about any ships at all.. let people enjoy their headcanon all they want.. but i do find non canon shipping awkward af
Ricksaw262026-01-19 16:30
I try to pay 0 attention to ships because for me they are stupid. It seems people can't have interactions these days because instantly ship. Person x talked to person y and this entire Fandom starts "they are onto each other holy fk so obvious". Some of the worst i have seen are furina X arlechinno, Mona x wanderer, now this one.
AdOnly90122026-01-19 16:33
Being doomed makes it better.
VirtualMobile72342026-01-19 16:35
Idk I dont see much chemistry smh
Aside from a few ships i dont really do shipping much. Just mostly the basic ones like clorinde and wrio (yes i know im a simple guy)
Dartrpg2026-01-19 16:51
The only ship I can understand is Lauma and Nefer. In fact, I wish that Hoyo was brave enough to make it happens. Is the only in-game relation where I feel some kind of chemestry (surpassing Beidou-Ningguang).
VirtualMobile72342026-01-21 08:38
...we have completly different thinking, that is the LAST thing I feel i'd ship.
Stealthless2026-01-19 16:37
idc
neuvvv2026-01-19 16:37
my ship is here.
-- the knave
Krio_dim2026-01-19 16:38
Ai slop image
LadyNova012026-01-19 16:39
Lorewise not as you said it yourself but thinking about it makes me laugh as Varka and Nicole are polar opposites(One knows all and the other is mostly brute strength)of each other.
If you ask me if they get together then Varka wouldn't have a moment to himself as Nicole will get into his mind to get him to know all of the lore of Teyvat
--Sekiro--2026-01-19 16:39
This is definitely great ship!
vermillion7nero2026-01-19 16:40
🗣🔥🔥🔥RULES, ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN🔥🔥🔥
niqqchu2026-01-19 16:43
The only ship i ship is me x Arlecchino (and Diluc) 😤
NLiLox2026-01-19 16:43
ai slop as slop as the ship
SilverFlame2702026-01-19 16:47
People worry too much about stuff like that. Shipping should be for fun. People nowadays are too focused on trying to justify their ship, as if the goal is to like the most canon ship. None of the ships are going to be canon, so don't worry about that kind of stuff. Shipping is just supposed to be "I think these characters have an interesting dynamic and would like to explore it more". That's it.
SatanaelAprentice2026-01-23 04:04
I believe it's more about learning more lore to have in-game accuracy when making ship content, like headcanons or theories take their base on the canon. I think wanting to explore many possibilities when creating content is good
HoshiAndy2026-01-19 16:48
Shhh the heveanly principles are asleep
Lonely-JAR2026-01-19 16:48
I think that the witches in general even if befriended still feel very distant regardless of the bubbly personalities some have so I’d say there’s no chance.
Carneus2026-01-19 16:49
Varka after hearing Alice doesn't mention him to her friends.
aulixindragonz342026-01-19 16:50
Twitter is so hostile about this ship for some reason.
And yet they ship her with alice.
malleus_humerus2026-01-19 16:52
I mean, cute ship is cute ship. What does it matter that it'll never be canon?
Chaos_-72026-01-19 16:52
Same as every other ships, they are all someone’s headcanon and will never be true. Hoyo is good at baiting to all audience when it comes to shipping.
Valkeyri2026-01-19 16:53
Mmmm, angst. Yummy.
supershade2026-01-19 16:53
Varka has clearly been collecting femboys for some reason, and I doubt it has anything to do with being romantically involved with Nicole.
If anything, he's had more chemistry with Flins.
Nightfall_aggro2026-01-19 16:53
Get this ugly Ai slop of my fyp🤮
Luc1281282026-01-19 16:53
They are fictional characters bruh. Ship whoever you want with anyone
acheronchair2026-01-19 16:54
Isn't she the last angel? If she's the last, then rules don't matter; she doesn't have other angels to stop her. xd
SarukyDraico2026-01-19 16:58
Bro stfu if it was a female you and all the others wouldn't bitch about it using the lore card, specially since you never cared about the lore at all when doing your "headcanons"
violet-crow2026-01-19 16:59
The doomed part is what makes it interesting. Personally I’m a fan of this forbidden love ship
Thick-Plant65732026-01-19 17:00
It’s a cute ship, but with all the rules, it just feels more tragic than romantic in the end.
_InFiNiTy162026-01-19 17:02
It's so rare for me to actually like a straight ship and this is probably my fav ship. So yeah, i love it despite it will never be cannon.
Uday01072026-01-19 17:03
I find them pretty cute
GeForce_fv2026-01-19 17:04
it just feels like the varka x alice shippers jumped boat after she called varka a child and started shipping varka x nicole instead
Darazelly2026-01-19 17:05
Yeah? So? It's fandom culture and shipping. Most ships in fandoms are never gonna be canon. Neuv and Wrio are never going to get down nasty on screen either. Childe is not going to declare his undying love for Lumine exclusively. Ninguang and Beidou are not going to get caught making out.
It's just all fun and games. The lore can take a hike if one just wants so lighthearted fluff and fun for one fic or three.
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Fancy_Society_69142026-01-19 17:07
This is why r/Genshin_Romance is a thing...
Seeing the comments here is chaotic only for a simple ship.
Big-Lobster64042026-01-19 17:08
Ship is fine, AI generated slop is not
oniikami2026-01-19 17:08
tbf the first angel fell in love
so why not the 579th? or whatever number nicole is
that being the case, in my eyes it’s pointless to ship because the devs won’t implement or give any nods to it, unless it’s of the same sex since there’ll be less pushback
Tobitoughguy2026-01-19 17:42
If what Columbia did in the latest AQ did didn’t wake up the heavenly principles, what in tf makes you think they’ll wake up just to activate her curse. Also there’s a high chance she isn’t exactly an angel anymore. I think she’s more than likely done something to herself to escape the curses placed on them hence why she can’t just speak with her voice. She’s Definetly got workarounds and is important enough that the heavenly principles can’t really do much to herself anyways ESPECIALLY since she helps with Teyvats borders.
KingShere2026-01-19 18:35
Its perhaps doomed because>! Nicole's former self was the (foster)mother of Boreas. !<
>!She is the angel Koitar, or rather was. !<
>! that sang so much she lost her voice, and all her memories including her name, or why she couldnt speak or why she should feel sad. !<>!when Alice found her & smashed (or tricked) her out of her cage. thus Nicole is a new persona that Alice helped develop, teaching her to speak and encouraging her to write. !<
Commentaires
People like a good angst so it will just fuel the ship even more lol
My crackpot headcanon is that it’s Liben. Famous worldly adventure, only ever comes back to Mondstadt.
But Hoyo only sees the money they can squeeze out of these weirdos.
As a result, we only have bland relationships and we get bored because we know in advance that there won't be any development between the characters.
I don't know, when you play a game, it's for the story or the gameplay.
Not to see butts and boobs shaking in front of your screen.
For me, the development of secondary characters (other than Traveler and Paimon) should also be very important. Apart from a few rare friendships that develop, all the friendships were already there before Traveler arrived.
Only Nod-Krai is a major exception to this rule, where the characters weren't really connected to each other, but the story brought them all together.
In any case, there's something pointing towards a relationship that's more than just friendship between Varka and Nicole, and the Amsvartnir Puzzle reinforces this idea.
Will Hoyo, for once, stand up for themselves and go all the way, even if it means the Weirdo have a fit of tantrum?
Personally, I'd love to see Varka defy fate to save Nicole from her curse.
You mean the Weirdos who also happen to be the primary paying customers?
Ain't no one dropping 2k on a Virtual character except those people.
You've effectively walked into a Gay bar looked around and said maybe we should invite some Women?
"Tech Otaku save the world" is plastered on the door when you walked in.
Money shouldn't even be a factor when you're writing a story.
They literally quoted it in the last livestream lmao
>Money shouldn't even be a factor when you're writing a story.
Man I'm sorry, but that's just not how it works, especially not in a gacha game of all things. You want your story to reach the biggest amount of people possible so they get invested in your world and characters, and in this case that directly translates to revenue...which is the end goal of every company
And let me get this straight u think Genshin is not a "REAL" game and it's entire existence is there just to exploit people.......then why are u even playing the game... It's like knowingly steping into a gay club and then complaining that there are no women😐😐
Also, the last time they royally pissed off their main consumers, someone almost got stabbed. I don't blame them for not taking the risk. Remember that Genshin isn't just a story, it is a game, a *product*.
Also, Varka calls Nicole "big sister" in CN/JP/KR. Obviously, this doesn't mean that he sees her as his literal sister, it's a term of respect in this case, because Nicole is much older and of higher status than him. Nicole also talks to him a bit like how you talk to a child (like when she praises him for being brave), because all humans might as well be children to her.
This doesn't mean people can't ship them, it's a fine ship like any other, but don't expect them to go in a romantic direction canonically. They don't do that with playable characters because it would lose them money.
they won't risk it in a gacha game lol (unless it's a low effort/png gacha where creating characters cost pennies)
The game and its story would be much better if a lot more people just saw the traveler as a friend and had no potential interest in him romantically or had other canon love interests.
Just as Khaenriahns, descendants of those who forsook their god, turned hilichurls right after stepping outside Khaenriah. Or, >!similar to Dottore cursing NK AQ cast and it would trigger when they step outside NK borders, but as long as they don't they are fine.!<
Flins X Nicole
Remove the filthy creature known as Homo Sapiens from the equation
Flins and Nicole can doom each other
But that's part of the charm!!! And besides Phanes is asleep right now.
Just like Capitano went to Okhnatlan and just said "hey what do you prefer, that I die even tho I'm supposed to be immortal, or that I'm immortal but I get to take those souls into night kingdom + fix night kingdom?"
Ronova said "f*CK you, the curse stays on, do your night kingdom thing we don't care"
They never wakes up when something happen to the world but they wake up for "personal" grudges.
Capitano only took the chance to achieve his own goal (giving his people peace in the leylines) by taking the place of Mavuika.
Ronova does says that after all those years, she isn't interested into this pact anymore. What forced her to accept is that Capitano found the glitch when if he take Mav place, he can't die, and thus nobody has to suffer the pact while having it's benefits.
Ronova preferred that Capitano stays immortal and continue to suffer the Kaenriah curse, that honoring that pact by killing him and doing her part.
I bet hoyo is going down something like
The curse of Khaenri'ah is so that their abyss corruption cannot reach the leylines or something.
Even in the God's limit trailer. They seem to have been kinda awaiting instructions.
Renova probably wanted to play safe with the pact.
Lot of speculation right now.
(I hope this doesn't get taken down)
The man said he only got a bad a vibe from the abyss and decided to take most of his army to hunt it down.
Considering how anti abyss phanes is, he'd probably approve.
Basically the angel chose to turn human to be with someone, except that also meant becoming mortal.
(FYI, after the funerary year, Nabu Malikata, one of the few surviving angels, King Deshret was in love with him and she was aware of it, and she ruled Sumeru with the other two gods till she died, do what you want with this info)
Aside from a few ships i dont really do shipping much. Just mostly the basic ones like clorinde and wrio (yes i know im a simple guy)
-- the knave
If you ask me if they get together then Varka wouldn't have a moment to himself as Nicole will get into his mind to get him to know all of the lore of Teyvat
And yet they ship her with alice.
If anything, he's had more chemistry with Flins.
It's just all fun and games. The lore can take a hike if one just wants so lighthearted fluff and fun for one fic or three.
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Seeing the comments here is chaotic only for a simple ship.
so why not the 579th? or whatever number nicole is
that being the case, in my eyes it’s pointless to ship because the devs won’t implement or give any nods to it, unless it’s of the same sex since there’ll be less pushback
>!She is the angel Koitar, or rather was. !<
>! that sang so much she lost her voice, and all her memories including her name, or why she couldnt speak or why she should feel sad. !<>!when Alice found her & smashed (or tricked) her out of her cage. thus Nicole is a new persona that Alice helped develop, teaching her to speak and encouraging her to write. !<