The reason Abyss Sibling Isn't a Descender:

Okay so we know that what makes a descender isnt that they come from outside Teyvat, but that they have a will to "rival a world." And I think it mentioned something in some skirk related lore, maybe her weapon I dont remember, that if one loses their world but perseveres, they can gain the will of a descender. Perhaps the Abyss Sibling lost their descender status because they lost their memories, and thus, the will they had cultivated after losing their homeworld.

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GettingWokeUp2026-01-20 07:54

I’m starting to feel like I was sooo close with my traveler is the voyager theory.

Haxodius2026-01-20 08:11

Unfortunately even though it lines up with HP's memory loss curse that is put on the Voyager. I doubt it because Voyager and Koitar are canonically in love. And we can't have that with playable characters especially with such important characters like the twins. Even though that would make characters x10 more interesting.

Also Voyager comes to Teyvat 2 times. Once long before Nibelung departs from Teyvat and for a second time after HP comes. But becuse both of these happened at least 10k years ago that would require our spaceship to come to Teyvat in total of 3 times (2 times in antiquity and 1 more time 500 years ago). But from the latest quest we know it happened only 2 times (1 time in antiquity and 1 more 500 years ago).

GettingWokeUp2026-01-20 08:12

It makes more sense when I say I think Paimon is the first angel. So the love wouldn’t be sexual, rather unconditional

But yes, the ship having to fly by three times not two would disprove this… unless a third time is listed in the corrupted files MC mentioned

Haxodius2026-01-20 08:20

I don't think it can be Paimon because we know Koitar's Halo is shattered after they lost their loyalty to the HP but Paimon still has theirs. Obviously we might dance around that fact by saying she lost her memories so she reverted back to being loyal hence the halo but i am unsure how much sense it makes.

About the corrupted files i agree with you. If one of the fly bys in there it wouldn't create a contradiction but it is kind of impossible to say if they are in there or not because data is gone so best thing to do for now is to stick with what we know for sure.

katbelleinthedark2026-01-20 08:21

Also, we know that Voyager is female. Like, originally, she is female. Which would work for all Lumine mains, but not really Aether mains.

Haxodius2026-01-20 08:36

What you say is true from the sources we have but in this instance i would like to play the devil's advocate just so we can delve deeper into the lore:

How reliable our sources really? Did they call her a she originally because they used their female form when they interacted with the people on Teyvat? Maybe their previous body was also acquired by projecting their mind into it. Maybe they are androgynous and can change their form at will and a female form just happened to be the one they used at the time. One of the key pillars of Genshin lore is that the sources are not really all that reliable especially because all sources have eith some kind of flaw, bias or both.

I am not really well versed in the lore related to Voyager. So if you have actual answers to the questions that i posed just know i would like to know them. They are not purely rhetorical.

Haxodius2026-01-20 07:57

But they explicitly say "When i first arrived" and them remembering us means the memory loss was temporary. And i think if you were true their descender status would be reclaimed when they got their memories back. Of course not gaining all of their memories back is possible but i don't think that is the case.

allmistake22026-01-20 08:01

That's a fair point. It could be that after building an entirely new life in Khanreiah, enough to feel it as an equally important home, it's possible that they dont have they may have developed some emotional separation from their previous life. Not total loss of connection, but maybe enough to shake their resolve, so to speak. Though admittedly that's is kind of a weak explanation.

TailorUnlikely99802026-01-20 10:05

I don't think that's the case because in the same scene they say that they remembered everything, they don't lack any memories of their past life. Though yeah, if anything, them not being a descender probably has to do something with their mental strength, the power of their "**determination**" is probably held back by their guilt and uncertainty regarding the methods they use. But this wouldn't really explain why they are written in Irminsul, my personal theory is that they were reborn in Khaenriah during one of the experiments, which made them accepted by the world as a native.

I am so hyped for the next Dain's quest to get more information about Abyss Sibling. I like their character so much, this broken, dramatic anti-hero with a pure heart, hindered by guilt, who has to visibly battle their emotions when Traveler is around to avoid giving up on their cause, which there twin cannot understand just yet to the full extent.

jtan19932026-01-20 10:21

might be the voyager mentioned by angels is the abyss twin. they got caught by the ship AI/phanes, and got reformatted, hence memory loss and loss of descender status.

Fit-Professor18312026-01-20 16:07

No. they are not Descender because they belong to Teyvat