I think i figured out what Paimon is. (6.3 AQ Spoilers)

P A I M O N is who sends us system mails, all uppercase like an abbreviation.

P A I M O N

Pioneer

Artifical

Intelligence

Mission

Operations

**Navigation**

She is our ships AI, she guides us though space.

Mamere tells us that Paimon has strings that go above the sky, at that point we thought she might be a moon goddess, but we now know that is not true.

But our ship is also beyond the sky on the moon.

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SUSredditruser2026-01-20 20:23

This is something i'd believe.

BleedingUranium2026-01-20 20:29

Paimon being some version of (or part of, etc) the ship's computer would definitely fit quite well, including her role as a guide and such. It's probably the best and most reasonable theory we have about her at this point.

It does raise further questions about why everything about her design matches Celestia's architecture though...

icemoomoo2026-01-20 20:38

The twins ship was a pioneer vessel looking for Planets with potental.

The ship then sends those planets back to a "mothership" that contains the genetic vault. i mean you dont place something that important on the scout ship.

That mothership/colony ship is Celestia, whos AI is the Primordial one.

BleedingUranium2026-01-20 21:05

The phrasing of the new outfit description very much says that the genetic vault (probably not large) is onboard the ship itself (that's why the ship was talking about cosmic events potentially damaging it or the twins), and the general implication is that the ship is entirely self-sufficient in being able to terraform/etc worlds.

The twins' ship has been flying around for thousands of years, and the long timeframe, genetic vault, and the mention that they risk the "destruction" catching up with them if they don't find a suitable world implies that the twins are all that's left of their civilization.

So Celestia and the Heavenly Principles most likely also came from the ship. Perhaps HP is (most of) the ship's AI, with Paimon being a fragment/module it discarded (["idea association module" is the term used, basically implied to be the ship computer's "emotions/heart"](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/As_Heaven_and_Earth_Are_Made_Anew)).

icemoomoo2026-01-20 21:14

Honestly it could be that both share the same AI, HP recalling the twins ship after the war of funerary flames because it got too damaged and needed manual repairs.

Also that would also explain why we didnt get nailed after both fontain/natlan and the dottore fight.

We where there so protecting us probably took priority, basically an Admin overwrite.

BleedingUranium2026-01-20 21:25

Isn't the general consensus/implication that HP is currently "sleeping", thus why they haven't done anything at all during the story (or recently)?

icemoomoo2026-01-20 21:30

It is, but our ships AI didnt react when we entered the ship in 6.3 so its absent or "sleeping", it could have remotely controlled the twins ship before it went to "sleep" and recalled it because it had to go to sleep.

The Paimon we know could still be the discarded module, would explain how the HP/Paimon moved the ship to the moon.

Its also possible the HP wakes up at regular intervalls for short periods of time and is inactive most of the time.

zeeangeles2026-01-20 23:10

What if there were two AI modules

PHANES and PAIMON

Phanes disembarking first with the abyss sibling and the genetic vault during the first pass over teyvat

x592_b2026-01-20 23:33

Wasn't dainslief the siblings version of paimon? Im sure we'd know if there was a paimon type character travelling around with dainslief and our sibling. I thought it was the sibling and dainslief travelling teyvat and then us and paimon, at least thats what was implied years ago during the first we will be reunited quest

_i_like_potatoes_2026-01-20 23:09

That actually makes sense. Maybe Paimon and HP is like Luonnotar and Columbina. Paimon is a fragment of HP guiding traveler to wake him up eventually

DarkAlatreon2026-01-20 20:42

Cuz the siblings' technology was responsible for making Teyvat habitable for them. Celestial nails to clear out Abyss. Teleport points. Your guide. The Shades. All from the same origin.

BleedingUranium2026-01-20 21:08

Yep, it's definitely making sense that all of these things are the ship's doing. Probably also explains why the twins can interact with all of Teyvat's elemental powers; the entirety of human civilization on this planet was most likely brought into being by the ship.

KazakiriKaoru2026-01-21 00:04

And the ship had genetic data bank. So all the current non-elemental life forms in teyvat could have come from the ship. Makes sense as to why Teyvat suddenly has regular vegetables like carrots, mushrooms and etc

RealHeavyDude2026-01-21 00:29

This makes the Project ARK theory very plausible

HerrscherOfMagic2026-01-21 00:45

That was disproven ages ago, though, when we found Project ARK ship-wrecked at the edge of the solar system. So that's long been ruled out as a possibility unfortunately

VirtualDoll2026-01-21 01:37

But isn't that the whole point of expies though? The multiverse rhymes. Star Rail and Genshin universes might just be two different leaves sitting next to each other on the same branch of the world tree (and Genshin's leaf might have fallen off into the sea of quanta, according to some theories) so it would make sense that they both have their own versions of a Project Ark.

HerrscherOfMagic2026-01-21 03:21

Oh, well yeah in that case kinda. A Project-ARK-esque story isn't just possible but even likely here.

I was under the impression that the person I replied to was talking about a muuuch older Genshin theory that Project ARK in HI3rd was *directly* tied to Genshin Impact. That theory went beyond mere expies and suggested that the Twins of Genshin might've been part of Project ARK from HI3rd. But that was weakened when Griseo's story was introduced, and then finally put to rest with the reveal of HI3rd's Project ARK having never left the solar system.

At the end of the day, Project ARK was named for the biblical Noah's Ark, and that biblical story is about a vessel carrying life to repopulate the world after a cataclysm. From what I've seen, a lot of current theories about the Twins' spaceship imply a similar story there. So it's likely a form of the "ark" story trope, but it doesn't have to be directly (or even indirectly) tied to the Project ARK story from HI3rd.

glittr_grl2026-01-21 01:26

Teyvat means ark, fwiw.

TetraNeuron2026-01-21 01:30

> And the ship had genetic data bank

Traveller: Call me grandad, Dottore, because you're descended from my Genetic data bank!

LazyDevil692026-01-21 04:04

The twins are like Adam and Eve? hmmm??

AlternaHunter2026-01-21 14:40

I'm not exactly a lore expert, but I do remember finding an readable interactible on the Wing of Keres island west of the Wavechaser Plain called 'Letter Buried in a Time Capsule'; it's from before Hyperborea got smashed with a celestial nail, and I'd assume by proxy from before the Travellers descended onto Teyvat even if the terraformation theory is true. It talks about the invention of genetic manipulation technology and the ability to bestow genetically modified children with the ability to freely wield all elemental powers at will, without needing visions ("the gifts of the firmament").

...I was initially writing this all up to provide a potential counterpoint, but now having written that out I suppose you could see it as supporting information for the theory that the Travellers' original civilization is the root of Teyvat's. One could actually quite solidly argue that in researching the Travellers' civilization's technology the Hyperboreans just re-discovered a known genetic manipulation trick, and that the explanation for the Travellers' ability to freely wield elemental power is that as descendants (/designer babies) of the mother civilization their genetics had already been modified accordingly from the outset.

GoldenSnowSakura2026-01-20 22:13

But wasn't the nails.. from the heavenly principles unless ur saying the heavenly principles stole the tech and aether and just yonked

Top-Attention74502026-01-20 22:19

The theory is HP are ship's AI, and the reason they're sleeping is: they exhausted all their strength/resources on cataclysm etc.

And as the sustainer of heavenly principles say: "Outlander, your journey ends here" could mean there's no need for further traveler as teyvat can be inhabited by the twins now that HP transformed ecosystem etc everything.

(This is my mixup logic from watching many yt analysis and reading comments)

ShinyGrezz2026-01-20 23:06

Not the cataclysm, the War of Funerary Flame (against Nibelung). I think it’s far more likely that the Shades (more specifically Asmoday) aren’t really aware of the HP’s true nature.

Top-Attention74502026-01-20 23:10

But they did give gnosis later... I heard they became inactive after cataclysm? Don't know...

DarkAlatreon2026-01-20 23:16

Became handicapped after the war, which necessitated usage of Gnoses. Then apparently during the Cataclysm HP expended the last of its energy and that's the last we heard from it.

Top-Attention74502026-01-20 23:21

Yeah. I was just reading wiki. Venti ascended to Archonhood 2600 years ago. So definitely HP fell asleep after cataclysm. They also intervened to stop the war(cataclysm) according to wiki.

DarkAlatreon2026-01-20 23:25

"The war" being which one?

Top-Attention74502026-01-20 23:27

Cataclysm

DarkAlatreon2026-01-20 22:55

Nah, I'm saying the HP are a part of the siblings' civilisation's technology.

Zrva_V32026-01-20 23:25

Were the nails really cast down to counter the abyss though? Moon goddesses pretty much confirmed they were cast as punishment for the mortals who got uppity.

Unless there are more than 7 nails?

DarkAlatreon2026-01-20 23:35

Canon said that HP were hostile towards those who seek power, which on Teyvat is more often than not related to harnessing abyssal power, isn't it?

sirjeal2026-01-21 00:11

Yeah, we still have a lot of conflicting information. Nicole and the Lord of the Night definitely make it sound like the Heavenly Principles love humans in general. (It would make sense too, if the planet was terraformed for them.)

**Yohualtecuhtin, Lord of the Night:** Humanity is truly remarkable. Even the gods in the heavens hold you to be special. Even now, you stand before me, dazzling like the sun.

So far, the Angels at the very least seem to be for the Heavenly Principles in general and says that they hold humanity as special.

Columbina said the Moon Goddesses and Angels were always close as well, but I find it interesting that their views on the Heavenly Principles are pretty different.

Particular_Web32152026-01-21 01:57

yeah the angels that supported HP and humans in general have positive commentary about celestia. kukulkan a well-establsihed dragon genius even begrudgingly praises for being more effective than the dragons. columbina with the trilunar authority strigaht up criticises nibelung more than HP.

meanwhile the ones who are against HP the most have been shown to be the msot unreliable narrators. koitar eloping with voyager and starting the rebellion, kaherin;ah in general, sonnet who was corrupted by abyss, frostmoon scions who were practicing gene experimenetation....

there's a lot of diff perspectives and bias from different sides.

Tzhaa2026-01-21 02:56

This is why considering bias and perspectives from sources is so important when hammering out the truth. You cannot just take someone at their word. You need to examine things from all sides.

We haven’t even seen the Heavenly Principles’ side yet, only from those that either support or disagree with them. I can’t wait to finally have the full picture when we go to Celestia.

Junior_Box_28002026-01-21 01:59

I want to believe its virtuous but didn't the moon sisters also say that while the HP were chill at first they slowly started to assert control over the land

Honest_Milk_82742026-01-21 00:50

There was this theory that Aether and Lumine were involved with Project ARK: send humans to habitable planets so our species would survive the inevitable end of the world.

Also, in CN characters card, both Lumine and Aether cards are signed by K.K. (believed to be Kevin Kaslana), reforcing the connection between Project ARK and the twins.

EatTacosGetMoney2026-01-20 22:55

Basically a doom slug from Skyward

LunarLoom212026-01-20 23:09

Well the AI did remove the part of it that felt sentimental about the sky on an unsuitable planet.

MaitieS2026-01-21 00:01

My personal current theory is that Traveler's ship is Heavenly Principles, and that the reason why it now works fully rationally is because the module that was responsible for the emphaty was lost after the fight with Nibelung, and that lost part is Paimon who is really emotional, and cute.

BleedingUranium2026-01-21 04:10

Yeah, Paimon being primarily "ball of emotion and empathy" (that module) paired with "navigator, aka a guide" (still trying to fulfill her basic primary purpose, essentially on "instinct") would make perfect sense for her.

KazakiriKaoru2026-01-21 00:03

My headcanon.

Phanes is the original ship's AI, that went to Teyvat a few thousand years back to terraform the planet for the Twins. But due to circumstances it has to split itself into 2, Phanes and Paimon. As for what circumstances that is, I have a theory.

When Asmoday caught us, she probably realised she fucked up and went to Phanes for a discussion. Since Phanes was badly damaged due to controlling the Catacalysm, it probably has an idea that would help both Teyvat and us, the Player. This is probably when Phanes split up into 2 and went to sleep. Paimon has been with us since day 1 to help guide us. Also, assuming that Asmoday never told anyone, it could be possible that this plan left the other Shades in the dark. So Asmoday is probably helping us behind the scenes.To awaken HP Paimon would need to go back to Celestia and re-combine with Phanes.

If you read the new skin's lore, it shows that the ship AI is really really attached to the Twins, similarly to how Paimon is attached to us.

Also, people have said that Paimon incorporates design elements from all 4 shades instead of just Asmoday. It would make a lot more sense if Paimon was HP instead of being Asmoday.

BleedingUranium2026-01-21 04:15

> To awaken HP Paimon would need to go back to Celestia and re-combine with Phanes.

*Playable medium/tall Paimon when?*

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> If you read the new skin's lore, it shows that the ship AI is really really attached to the Twins, similarly to how Paimon is attached to us.

Yep. And that bit about its "idea association module" (aka its emotion module, probably what became Paimon) definitely fits with this.

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> It would make a lot more sense if Paimon was HP instead of being Asmoday.

Absolutely yes. I've never really understood the Asmoday theory, Paimon has basically zero in common with her. Paimon is absolutely part of (etc) Celestia, quite possible HP themselves in Guoba form or similar, that would make perfect sense... but not Asmoday.

KazakiriKaoru2026-01-21 05:22

>Absolutely yes. I've never really understood the Asmoday theory, Paimon has basically zero in common with her. Paimon is absolutely part of (etc) Celestia, quite possible HP themselves in Guoba form or similar, that would make perfect sense... but not Asmoday.

Also, we have seen the Asmoday portal before during A Space and Time for You. If Paimon was chibified Asmoday, it makes zero sense as to why she could access her former power. It only makes sense if Asmoday is still normal-sized, just protecting Traveller and Paimon behind the scenes

Razorhead2026-01-21 00:54

One theory I have that unifies the "Paimon is Asmoday" theory and this "Paimon is a part of the HP AI" theory is that all the Shades are the personification of subroutines of the original AI, which it split off for efficiency's sake when running this new world.

Ronova, the Shade of Death, was originally the weapon and defense system. Naberius, the Shade of Life, the life support system and DNA incubation system. Istaroth, the Shade of Time, the stasis system. Asmoday, the Shade of Space, the warp and navigation system. With the Heavenly Principles the overall management AI running things.

This would also explain why the Shades cannot act directly against the HP and must find loopholes (Ronova by making bets she loses and finding technicalities in orders, Istaroth by acting through her children, and Naberius by fusing with Rhinedottir), because they cannot resist admin override.

Paimon then could still be (part of) Asmoday as the navigational system, while also originally being part of the original AI (as all Shades were).

Dardrol72026-01-20 20:41

Paimon is emergency food. What are you talking about?

icemoomoo2026-01-20 21:18

Given how much energy AI uses Paimon must be really calory dense.

Ty202252026-01-21 01:40

paimon is at least 300 gallons of water

NeighborhoodHead1122026-01-20 20:49

You figured it out? Or did you just watch the catwithbluehat video and are sharing their theory…

icemoomoo2026-01-20 20:51

honestly have not seen his vid, was he making the same point?

JMP_172026-01-20 20:56

Basically CWABH Theory is that HP is the AI, and Paimon is the Ejected emotive module from the AI , but its not like he has claim on theory people have been thinking this since the skins got released (eg. Aru Hiseki).

icemoomoo2026-01-20 20:58

Thats possible but the PAIMON acronym fits a bit too well.

NeighborhoodHead1122026-01-20 21:07

Truly no hate to you, just saw the post and thought it was a bit of coincidence but like another commenter said if the Genshin devs are curating their story correctly many people will come to the conclusion. I apologize for my accusatory tone.

icemoomoo2026-01-20 21:17

No problem, just wanted a place to share and discuss the lore, i think alot of people found out PAI N letters of the acronym and have different guesses about MO.

I like how the devs tend to hide important lore drops and reveal them later in the AQ for everyone who missed it, it allows all the lore fans to still theorzie and make vids about it and still make sure the casuals will get it later.

NeighborhoodHead1122026-01-20 20:58

Yes this exact point was their entire video posted 6 hours ago and someone in the comments even used this acronym in comments

JMP_172026-01-20 21:01

A lot of people have this idea, he doesn’t have claim on it.
Aru hiseki made a video 4 days ago talking about the acronym and the theory as well.
The devs knew what they were doing if everyone is making the same conclusions.

https://youtu.be/EbnzRWkeJ2s?si=Zmp-QgbB90S2AaT2

NeighborhoodHead1122026-01-20 21:04

Thank you for explaining and showing more people having the same theory. I’ve only asked because of the acronym in the comments being so strikingly similar and the timing of the post .

Totaliss2026-01-20 22:22

watching a video and then passing it off as their own discovery, tale as old as time

akahr2026-01-20 22:22

Bruh a lot of people have been talking about this the whole week, many of us can get to similar theories with the info we had. That video barely came out today, it's not that special.

NeighborhoodHead1122026-01-20 22:24

That’s why I apologized for my tone but I guess like every other redditor we comment before we read.

zMaximumz2026-01-20 22:53

It's not really a hard thing to connect tbf. [That's the first thing I thought of aswell](https://ibb.co/Xx6JJXyx)

And multiple people probably already had similar theories before me too. Paimon mail thing has been a topic since the game's release.

jinxedandcursed2026-01-21 07:03

Okay, am I missing something or is the planet in the skin's lore not talking about Teyvat? The plant wasn't dead when Phanes got here according to everything else we know (and if that's a fabricated story, what would be the motive) and the twins already were familiar with the outfits that the description says "it" made before they were separated (as in, before the traveler guessed their sibling landed in Teyvat). There wasn't even anything in the description about "it" landing in this planet. Is there anything else to read to substantiate this claim?

KeychainIntroduction2026-01-21 01:12

Like others said, there were many videos on YT about this. Just to name a few: Aru Hiseki made a video 4 days ago, MurderofBirds came to the same conclusion on the stream 3 days ago and posted a separate video a day later, dawit made a video yesterday, and Genshin Bane posted their video around the same time as CatWithBlueHat today.

MightyActionGaim2026-01-20 21:13

That’s it! Time to ban AI in teyvat! Can’t have ChatGPT flying around autonomously. No no no

ShiftAdventurous46802026-01-20 21:48

HP is the ship's AI. Paimon was the ship's microwave. Explains her gluttony.

northernoverture2026-01-20 23:53

I'm NOT eating anything that comes out of Paimon

Tempest3212026-01-21 00:59

What about eating her?? She's emergency food after all hahaha

A_very_smol_Lugia2026-01-21 01:07

Eating a microwave typically has negative consequences

CaspianRoach2026-01-21 09:20

typically means not always \*prepares cutlery\*

VatroxPlays2026-01-20 21:56

Did you watch the new Cat with blue Hat Video too? xd

Elinim2026-01-20 21:58

My guess is Paimon saying we can't explore further ahead is the "ship" preventing us from going to areas we're not ready to witness yet.

It feels like we're being put on a treadmill to slowly assimilate and "level up" in Teyvat until our body and mind is ready to inherit full admin powers like some VR isekai.

BleedingUranium2026-01-20 22:29

Isn't this essentially what the Abyss twin wanted us to do as well, spend the time to properly experience and learn about the world?

(I'm well behind the current AQs, so I'm not entirely sure what's up with the twin most recently.)

KazakiriKaoru2026-01-21 00:06

Imo, the Abyss twin is still being brainwashed. In the BP cutscene, it says that our twin is being tricked. So imo, Lumine has not fully recovered her memories yet. And being in contact with the abyss for so long, she's probably forgotten her true origins.

BleedingUranium2026-01-21 04:05

[Or worse, yeah. The Xbox glider wings dive into this a bit more:](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Wings_of_Fate%27s_Course_Intertwined)

> But the golden-haired heir was used as a vessel by which unlimited Abyssal power could be absorbed, and (‍she‍/‍he‍) became the key to the world's near-annihilation.

> This was the moment that their *[twin and Dainsleif]* paths intertwined — one a noble, tumbling from the light into the Abyss, the other a humble existence, climbing upward from the darkness.

Far_Young_26662026-01-21 02:49

>Paimon saying we can't explore further ahead is the "ship" preventing us from going to areas we're not ready to witness yet

But her saying that depends on the number of version updates released, not the main character readiness for the world. If I was to start the game right now, I would be able to go to more places without Paimon stopping me, while those areas being too high level for me

esztersunday2026-01-20 22:03

What a boring explanation, I would be disappointed, if it's true.

PraiseTheUmu2026-01-20 22:18

Far less boring than her being Asmoday or HP

0btuse_0val2026-01-20 22:21

And here I was this whole time thinking Paimon was Paimon

MartenBroadcloak192026-01-21 01:22

ehe

LeAstra2026-01-21 01:29

Paimon is P.A.I.M.O.N.

aravinth132026-01-20 22:24

OK this makes too much sense

Dracorvo2026-01-20 22:26

Just watched the CatInBlueHat video huh?

Asunaris2026-01-20 22:50

I like the theory, but isn't paimon also affected normally by irminsul? Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since the quest, but aren't wanderer and traveller the only 2 people who remember everything?
If paimon was a spaceship AI then wouldn't she be unaffected by it like the traveler?

arrerino2026-01-20 23:21

Nahida said that the abyss sibling is affected by irminsul too, so probably the same unknown reason for that applies to Paimon.

northernoverture2026-01-21 01:52

Also, humans come from beyond Teyvat, so in principle they shouldn't be affected by Irminsul either, but they are (that we know of, im sure early humans weren't and anyone born on Teyvat after its creation is) which lends credit to the theory that Ley Lines and Irminsul were creations of the twins AIs that record the world.

The only counterargument I can think of is that we know humans came *with* the HP, not that the HP came and then created humans to inhabit Teyvat. Which then creates another question in why the HP brought humans to Teyvat. What were they running from? The Abyss? Their star exploded?

Honest_Milk_82742026-01-20 22:56

Not so far from truth, actually.

This games has a lot of parallels with Honkai Impact 3rd: look-alike characters, same mythos, and it's confirmed both games exist in the same "universe" (like MCU, for Marvel Cinematic Universe).

In Honkai Impact, there are those "ELFs", which are Artificial Intelligence with a fairy-like appearance. Exactly like Paimon.

In all seriousness, I honestly think Paimon is just "Na'vi", from Legend of Zelda. They wanted a fairy friend to the blonde main character, and instead of making a glowing bulb with wings, they used the concept art of ELFs from Honkai Impact, and we got a "chibi Kiana Kaslana" as guide.

Obiwan-Quenobi2026-01-21 00:41

Thank you, this helped a lot.

Adsew2026-01-21 05:21

It's crazy how this idea of Paimon being an AI brings so much credit back to the OG theories linking Genshin back to Honkai. Project ARK, KK, Paimon being an ELF.

Given Genshin came off the heels of HI:3, it's not crazy to think that was the concept and it's only coming to light now, even if it's an alternate universe of similar events

PluckyAurora2026-01-20 23:00

I’m convinced that Paimon is the “Idea association model” the ship AI disconnected. Aka the emotional part of them.

This would line up with HP being cold and logical (Reason) and Paimon being the emotional part.

This theory would match with the other theories of Paimon being part of the Heavenly Principles.

It would explain why they are so attached to the traveler and why they are guiding them just like they guided the spaceship through the stars.

northernoverture2026-01-20 23:57

**P**ersonalized **A**ssociation and **I**dea **M**odel **O**riented **N**avigator

"Oriented" could instead be "Optimized" or "Operations"

KazakiriKaoru2026-01-21 00:09

The question is, when did HP split off Paimon. Was it during the War of Funerary Flames, or was it during the Catacalysm for the sake of guiding us.

But from my own speculation, Paimon will be the new HP since the current Phanes is probably almost certainly dead or powered-down due to handling the Catacalysm. We know that HP basically created the role of Archons to govern the material govern in their stead.

DeathToBoredom2026-01-21 01:24

probably near Traveler's waking time. Maybe 10 years before, maybe just when they woke up and paimon dropped into the water, magically where the traveler's fishing rod hooked lol. or more like manifesting onto it. Paimon can have memories implanted into her.

iesous232026-01-20 23:02

Paimon is Paimon

joepanda1112026-01-20 23:03

*Nah she’s just emergency food*

caucassius2026-01-20 23:08

wait it was xenoblade x all along?

>!always has been!<

PandaBlueDance2026-01-20 23:14

On the moon MC says ship's log shows that it passed by Teyvat thousands of years ago, and that maybe the twin left the ship during that first pass. Other lore says Vedrfolnir predicted the twin's arrival for the Vinster King. If both are true then there's a big gap, between when the twin left the ship and when he arrived in Khaenriah.

skyslippers2026-01-21 02:41

MC is could be mistaken in assuming the twin left the ship at that time, but it could be that the ship's AI was the one that left the ship and descended upon teyvat as the First Descender (Primordial One/Heavenly Principles) all those thousands of years ago.

BleedingUranium2026-01-21 04:37

I haven't gotten far enough to do the AQ yet, but given the log apparently explicitly states the ship passed Teyvat that long ago, [it just makes it even clearer that the dead planet mentioned in the new outfit description was indeed Teyvat pre terraforming.](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/As_Heaven_and_Earth_Are_Made_Anew)

> The planet they passed was never a destination, since its star had already entered its twilight.

> Its biosphere and atmosphere had been utterly destroyed. The surface held nothing but cooled masses of molten rock.

> A supernova had caused the devastation.

> For several weeks or months, intense heat and light had marked the star's final brilliance. After that, it had been reduced to a cold, dim dwarf.

> It ran a quick calculation on when the event had occurred...

> What a coincidence. The radiation trapped in the planet's crust indicated that the supernova had erupted the very year the twins were born.

> Naturally, the two events had nothing to do with each other.

> No one would ever celebrate their birth by burying an entire world with it. Such levels of extravagance and cruelty simply did not exist.

Ryuunoru2026-01-21 07:46

How does that text indicate it's Teyvat?

Razorhead2026-01-21 09:00

Agreed, this reads more like a planet they passed just being the reason why the ship AI upgraded their clothes, especially since it later states it passed "countless worlds" so clearly it travelled further.

BisexualLilBitch2026-01-20 23:32

Something that compels me to believe this is the dialogue from the Melusine about how they view the traveler and Paimon. They see Paimon as a rainbow balloon whose string (where she’s controlled from) leads “beyond the sky”.

Weeneem2026-01-20 23:34

Now I'm just waiting for Paimon to say "Navigated, bitches!"

Mirmegardt2026-01-20 23:34

Issue: this could only work on english

Sharlizarda2026-01-21 01:59

I'm not sure you are right- even before this new lore drop, I saw people saying that the link between the name paimon and the heavenly principles was more obvious in Chinese

BleedingUranium2026-01-21 04:40

It's also worth noting that quite a bit of stuff in the game is written for/around the *English* versions of things.

From little things like the Dawn Winery sign being in English (fancy alternate alphabet, but English all the same) to some of the stuff (can't remember exactly and I'm not there yet) in the Sumeru desert ruins also being specifically in English, etc.

tudeckslore2026-01-20 23:37

Huh, this sounds way better than mine. Lmao

As an Asmoday is Paimon believer, i assumed Asmoday got chibified because she became a threat to the twins during the prologue. Though this hinges on the fact that nobody knows who/what the twins really are. (Twins being the "heirs" of Teyvay, and Ship AI obviously very protective of them)

Yeah, im salty and coping Ronova never acknowledged us during Natlan lmao.

HP/Ship AI hasnt told the shades about the twins BECAUSE the twins were never meant to live in Teyvat this early. (Abyss twin got summoned, Traveler crash landed)

Fossilized_Nerd2026-01-20 23:39

You know what, I didn't pay much attention to it at the time, but this might be the exact reason why the developers decided Columbina and the Traveler *don't* bring her along when you go to the ship...

icemoomoo2026-01-21 06:39

You're right it is strange that Paimon didnt come with us, the journey wasnt dangerous and Columbina didnt tell us ahead of time that the ship was on the moon.

Abication2026-01-20 23:53

The only thing is that Paimon in named after a demon like the other gods in teyvat, so it would be weird for her name to be an acronym from before they got there.

uptodown122026-01-20 23:54

This is Gundam Seed level acronym lol

Zonnebloempje2026-01-20 23:57

It wasn't Mamere who said that. I think it may have been Canotilla, but I am not sure.

MikasSlime2026-01-20 23:59

This is the most interesting paimon theory i have seen so far ngl

witchywater112026-01-21 00:05

I had the same thought after reading the twins' new outfit lore. The ship was trying to help the twins find a new home, Paimon is helping the traveler find their sibling because to the traveler, their sibling is home.

Ramseas1192026-01-21 00:09

The fact that we have, twice now, gotten *massive* lore drops from fucking KFC promotion gliders is absolutely hilarious to me

UltimateMixing2026-01-21 00:21

Watch this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVDuPB2MHQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVDuPB2MHQ)

Dark_Magicion2026-01-21 00:30

So... When we fished Paimon out, did we fish out the Nav AI Core from the Ship or something? Or is the idea that Paimon has always existed in the form of a floating fairy-type entity?

hells_ranger_stream2026-01-21 00:35

I'm too high for Genshin twist theories. PAIMON is just the little ship? Ok what does that make Teyvat? Is PAIMON not a descender because they're just a projection from a ship that hasn't descended currently?

corecenite2026-01-21 00:49

i think i'll just complete the full label: *The PAIMON:

The Pioneer/Personal Artifical Intelligence *for* Mission Operations *and* Navigation.

SlideReasonable80422026-01-21 00:53

If the HP's purpose was to protect the twins, what what the purpose of the first cutscene with asmoday??

modusxd2026-01-21 00:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVDuPB2MHQ

Attention, spoilers.

DevolayS2026-01-21 00:57

BEEP construct BEEP

InternalCode12102026-01-21 01:00

That's what I thought too, and what if the heavenly principles is the one that made paimon from the ai ship since she has celestia theme? And they have plan for the sibling

Particular_Stop_33322026-01-21 01:20

Whoa, an actual good Paimon theory

Dekachonk2026-01-21 01:21

The K in KOS-MOS stands for "KOSMOS."

SomeRandomDeadGuy2026-01-21 01:23

I've also heard a theory that the ship AI is the first descender, dropped off when the ship first passed by teyvat to terraform it in preparation for the travelers

rurikko2026-01-21 01:55

Now this makes me overthink the fact that system mails were sent by P.A.I.M.O.N. and one of their official Twitter handles is "Paimon2TheMoon"

No-zaleomon2026-01-21 02:03

Hijacking this thread to spew my understanding of Teyvat's history... Nibelung thought Teyvat was destined to be destroyed, went to seek assistance from other worlds, Twins flew by during his absence and "Abyss Sibling" implemented HP who was a sentient AI to protect/govern Teyvat, Nibelung returned with the Abyss and fought HP, HP induced the Archon War so as to have the strongest characters to manage the different nations since HP was severely weakened, the Abyss grew in strength while HP was missing in action, Khaenriah then also wanted to defy fate of the world'd destruction and borrowed Abyss powers again, which then led to Cataclysm?

Something that I noticed was that Genshin's underlying theme seems to be that Teyvat is fated to be destroyed? I can't quite grasp if "fate" is a power belonging to HP, or is it an universal "fate"? If it's the latter, does that mean there is an almighty power that created and governs the universe, which includes multiple worlds and even the Abyss?

Regarding Paimon herself, is there any evidence so far that she is part of HP? Or it's also possible she is a separate entity? Assuming she had always been a creation of the Twins, that is.

WolfySpice2026-01-21 02:14

When you look at the design of Celestia, the nails, and teleport waypoints... they all suspiciously seem to share design and colour traits of our ship.

At this point, I'm all in on the Heavenly Principles being our ship's AI that sought to make Teyvat habitable (since the word means 'ark' after all), and Paimon is the part of the ship's AI governing emotion etc. Amidst life, death, time and space, why is 'reason' amongst them? 'Emotion' as a parallel to 'reason' would make so much sense.

It also means that Hoyo has once again done a "yes, but": we were led to believe Paimon has some connection to Celestia, *but not in the way we could have thought possible* until now.

Goddamn this is exciting to think about.

battleye92026-01-21 03:13

I think Phanes is the AI while Paimon is part of it, the navigation guide to be exact

ggrgg12026-01-21 03:22

The name of that one boss in Sumeru Desert is "Algorithm of Semi-Intransient Matrix of Overseer Network(ASIMON)". remove the "Semi" to make it complete and we have Algorithm of Intransient Matrix of Overseer Network(AIMON). Add "Primordial" because we know Phanes can be referred to as the Primordial one, and we get "Primordial Algorithm of Intransient Matrix of Overseer Network"(PAIMON). This should be Paimon's actual full name.

(Ashikai mentioned this is a video a few years back)

hellschatt2026-01-21 03:56

https://youtu.be/sIVDuPB2MHQ

Lore guy agrees with you.

Highly recommended to watch this video. It just makes too much sense.

The description of the outfit basically revealed the purpose and goal of our journey. I highly recommend to read that description first before watching that video. It really is too fun and engaging. Reads like the beginning of a pure science fiction story. They should have made it a mandatory read for everyone, they are crazy for not doing that: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/As_Heaven_and_Earth_Are_Made_Anew#Description

yap43922026-01-21 08:39

The theory is highly likely, but with abbreviation you missed the fact that we already have Sumeru boss called Algorithm of Semi-Intransient Matrix of Overseer Network - ASIMON for short. And it was created by King Deshret, likely to imitate something connected to HP.

Infi-Damn2026-01-21 09:40

But that contradicts Sumeru's plot. Paimon also doesn't remember Greater Lord Rukkhadevata. If she was out AI or guide, her memory shouldn't have changed