The abyss taking over the cosmos is Phanse’s fault

I have a theory that the reason why Phanes is period about people seeking power, is because Phanse**’**s own civilisation had that obsession with seeking power, and back then they didn**’**t have a god to stop them from getting more and more power, until they discovered the abyss, or rather the abyssal realm, and lusting after the power of the abyss, they brought it to real space, thinking they can control, but they were wrong, the had a cataclysm that was a billion times worse then what happened in kheanriah,

And the person who discover the existence of the abyss is none other then Phanse himself,

it would explain why they**’**re soo quick to nuking anyone who goes anywhere near the abyss, it**’**s because he knows the abyss is powerful, and abyss abyssal outbreak might fuck up the whole planet

I mean just look at teyvat now, everything is falling apart and Phanes isn**’**t awake to fix the world

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Joe_from_ungvar2026-01-21 19:49

we dont know anything about Phanes before coming to that world
so try not to theorise too much

Phanes took power from the elemental realm after defeating the dragons, not the abyssal realm.
they didnt bring the abyss to teyvat.
Nibelung brought in the abyss

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:03

no, I’m not saying that Phanse had abyssal, it’s just that Phanse was the one who discovered that the abyss existed, and his people decided they wanted it for themselves, and Phanse is the only survivor of that civilisation

now he’s trying to stop humanity from repeating his mistakes

Joe_from_ungvar2026-01-21 20:06

surviving a civilisation wont give you the powers of a god that can create shades of themselves to fight dragons

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:09

They might have gotten a power from a different source, or they were created by their civilisation as a god, we don’t know

Joe_from_ungvar2026-01-21 20:13

exactly
there is no connection between Phanes and the abyss
to have anything to have a theory from
Nibelung brought the abyss against them
there was no mention of Phanes having some special knowledge of how to act against it. they won with great struggles and a lot of the world is still ruined past the edges of teyvat

so theory has no leg to stand on
Phanes running away from the abyss to Teyvat. that is likely
but dont assume stuff about what a previous civilisation is like

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:23

We actually do know, that Phanes has knowledge about the abyss, for one the false sky, it’s the only thing protecting teyvat from a full on abyssal invasion, why would Phanes create the firmament if not for the abyss? But ok let’s say they were just hiding from anyone not just the abyss and it protecting against it is just a coincidence

How about the celestial nails? , why would Phanes just soo conveniently happen to have a thing that works well against the abyssal corruption in his arsenal if he had no knowledge of the abyss ?

And we know that they nails are Phanes’s and have nothing to do with the draft, because there no mention of nails anywhere in the game except for the ones Phanes has,

also Phanes was a traveler before coming to teyvat, he had to have learned about the abyss along his travels,

Even if my theory is wrong and Phanes’s civilisation had no connection with the abyss, it’s still very clear that Phanes knows more about the abyss than anyone else in teyvat

Joe_from_ungvar2026-01-21 20:37

i meant specific stuff against the abyss to use with the dragons

do you think the nails were conveniently there?
we know they were used AFTER the fight with Nibelung and whatever he brought and dragons on his side. that was basically round two already of wars Phanes took part in. Human realm was created after the first one
we dont know if its something they brought with them, if its something created in the time between two fights
or how long was the period until the nails were used
maybe the nails were made with body of Nibelung for all we know

theories can all be made and the rest makes sense

its just any thoughts on Phanes civilisation, inventing a previous civilisation , them bringing upon them their own distruction, etc
thats the part that seemed really stupid and has no reason to be mentioned

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:41

We know that Phanse had the nails before fighting the dragons, because they were used to terraform the planet to fit humanity

Joe_from_ungvar2026-01-21 20:46

no, the nails are only first mentioned to fix the ravages of the war with Nibelung, and some punishments later

~~there was no terraforming for humans, Phanes literally made the Human Realm AND humans~~
with the authorities taken in the first war. not the thing with Nibelung. Nibelung wasnt in the world for the first thing, was quite literally away

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:57

You probably didn’t do the little buddy world quest

because in that quest, the pyro sovereign’s brother, literally said that the world of teyvat was deadly to everyone but the dragons, and soo the heavenly revere sent down nails to change the land so it’s suitable for man kind

In other words Phanes had the nails before fighting Nibelung, and even the moon sisters say that Phanes used the nails as punishment before Nibelung came back to teyvat

RunImmediate60622026-01-21 20:10

Phanes\*

Itachi97072026-01-21 19:50

Uhmm ?? But isn't it nibelung who bought abyss power in tevyat to fight HP

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:06

I’m not saying that Phanse brought the abyss to teyvat, I’m saying that Phanse’s civilisation was the one who brought the abyss to real space, and now the abyss is destroyed countless worlds outside of teyvat, and that’s partly Phanse’s fault,because either he discovered it or he failed to stop his people from using it

RunImmediate60622026-01-21 20:10

Phanes\*

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:11

STOP

tyjz73_2026-01-21 19:54

Nibelung is the one that brought the Abyss to Teyvat. The main theory is that Teyvat is in a dying universe, and Phanes brought humans to Teyvat (the Ark) as a way of protecting them from the Abyss, which is spreading through the cosmos.

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:08

yes and the universe is dying at the hand of the abyss because of Phanse’s civilisation

God I should probably rewrite this post because a lot of people are getting the wrong idea

RunImmediate60622026-01-21 20:10

Phanes\*

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:11

I heard you the first time dude

Neospanner2026-01-21 20:44

While I don't feel that this theory has any evidence to support it in-game, folks in the comments seem to be having a seriously tough time understanding the OP's theory.

OP is NOT saying that Phanes brought the Abyss to Teyvat - at least, not directly. That was Nibelung.

OP is saying is that Phanes comes from a civilization that had their own Abyssal cataclysm and, specifically, that Phanes was at fault for that cataclysm. That civilization tried to harness the Abyss (much like Khaenri'ah) and wound up destroying themselves.

Phanes then took off to try to find a safe place to seed humanity. Meanwhile, Nibelung ran into the Abyss while flying around through space and got corrupted. When he returned to Teyvat, he found that Phanes had moved in.

Due to prior familiarity with the Abyss (since he and his civilization had brought their world to ruin with it in the first place), Phanes knew that anyone toying with it had to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

tl;dr: Phanes is another world's King Irmin, but their Khaenri'ah cataclysm didn't have Shades to clean it up and so completely destroyed the planet. Seeing what happened then, Phanes is extra harsh when folks start poking around the Abyss.

Mtebalanazy2026-01-21 20:48

THANK YOU!!! 🙏

Thank you good sir for having reading comprehension!

PeterGyrich2026-01-21 22:19

Maybe because nothing in game or even in this post refers to phanes coming from some other random civilization from another planet. And it doesn’t help that phanes already had their own civilization, it’s just not the one that OP is supposedly talking about.

Neospanner2026-01-21 22:30

This is an interesting response. To my knowledge, unless you count the civilization that Phanes built itself on Teyvat, we don't know of any civilization Phanes belongs to. What civilization are you referring to?

If you're going by the theory that Phanes is the AI of the Twin's spaceship then Phane's civilization is the Twins civilization - and we do not yet know what happened to the Twins' homeworld. It COULD have gone down like OP suggests.

As you say (and as I said, as well), there's nothing in-game to support this theory - but there's not really anything in-game to refute it, either. It's wild speculation and probably as incorrect as any fanfic, but not something that can be outright dismissed as impossible by currently-known lore.

PeterGyrich2026-01-21 22:43

>unless you count the civilization that Phanes built itself on Teyvat

This was literally their civilization. What other one could there be?

>As you say (and as I said, as well), there's nothing in-game to support this theory - but there's not really anything in-game to refute it, either. It's wild speculation and probably as incorrect as any fanfic, but not something that can be outright dismissed as impossible by currently-known lore.

I’m not even talking about the validity of this theory. I’m purely talking about how OP just assumed people would know of this civilization that completely came from their own theories and would take that as to be the one they are referring to in the post

Neospanner2026-01-22 02:59

It's not just idle speculation that Phanes came from somewhere else. We KNOW that it did. It's a Descender, it came to Teyvat from outside of Teyvat, and then it built its civilization here. The fact that it named its world Teyvat (a word meaning "ark") hints that it seeded the world with life rescued from some kind of disaster. (Much like Noah's Ark rescued people and animals from the great flood in Biblical legend.)

Where did it come from, then? It's not outrageous to assume that, if it truly is an ark, it came from a civilization that launched that ark. That is the civilization that the OP is speculating about here.

This is not a theory unique to the OP. In fact, I'd guess that the majority of lore theorists out there are of the opinion that the civilization set up by Phanes is an effort to preserve another civilization that Phanes originated from. If the AI on the Travelers' ship DOES turn out to be related to Phanes (either having deposited Phanes on Teyvat or is Phanes itself), that will lend even more credence to this theory, as it is known that the Travelers came from a "doomed homeworld".

Mtebalanazy2026-01-22 20:20

Thank you for having reading comprehension

PeterGyrich2026-01-22 22:07

Then OP should have said this and not just randomly start talking about phanes civilization without any context

Mtebalanazy2026-01-22 20:17

I did say that Phanes had their own civilisation, that was destroyed because they wanted more and more power, until the go their hands on the abyss and their world was destroyed as a result

PeterGyrich2026-01-22 22:05

Except phanes already had their own civilization that you’re not referring to and doesn’t only exists in your theory.

Mtebalanazy2026-01-22 22:09

Ok you’re giving me a stroke

I’m talking about the civilisation that Phanes BELONGS TO, the civilisation that they were born in, not the unified civilisation they created in teyvat, those are not the same

just like how the traveler came from a destroyed world, Phanes too came from a world that was destroyed by the abyss BEFORE COMING TO TEYVAT

PeterGyrich2026-01-22 22:23

Then, again, you should have clarified that you’re talking about the “phanes’s civilization” that exists only in your theory, and not the one that is in game

LiDragonLo2026-01-22 07:54

This all falls apart once u realize that if this is the case the twins are the ones who did it. Bc the HP currently being theorized to be an ai that is connected to the twins.

Mtebalanazy2026-01-22 08:08

The HP being an AI is just a theory that people are acting like it’s cannon

And there are a lot of contradictions that makes me believe this theory to be false