Is this Stygian even possible

As you can see I dont have flins nor Lauma. I have tried every combination of characters with columbina nefer and ineffa and i cant even get the stupid bird to half hp on menacing

Literally just straight up impossible

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babangelsin2026-01-21 22:32

If you have Nefer Columbina you should easily clear the 1st boss.

Ignore the small birds and just focus the boss down.

ClashMasterJH2026-01-21 22:32

Literally cant, tried like 50 times
Cant break the shield, cant get jack to it

babangelsin2026-01-21 22:40

Sounds like a massive rotation or build issue

Ploffers2026-01-21 22:53

it wouldnt really surprise me. nefer hits like paper without lauma, columbina or not.

babangelsin2026-01-21 23:02

Columbina enables Verdant Dew generation. That is still a massive leap from any other team, and the reason why Aino by herself is not enough to enable Nefer (and also why Lauma was deemed essential).

blondly2026-01-21 23:20

Have you done it in a Nefer & Columbina team without Lauma on Fearless+ difficulty?

If so, did you have signatures?

I have well built characters (no signatures though) but I can't break the Abyss shield twice before time expires and I can't one cycle it before that.

babangelsin2026-01-21 23:22

No, but the DPS numbers of the team, and required DPS of the boss under Lunar reactions are already established.

I personally brute-forced it with C6 Navia but it was still an absolute pain in the ass, and I barely cleared the shield with multiple tries. My Navia team has 250K DPS with full energy start, much less on a 0 energy start. Lunar damage has 3x effectiveness on the shield.

blondly2026-01-21 23:26

So you are saying that people should be clearing the first boss on fearless with C0 Nefer + C0 Columbina without Lauma, right (based on your numbers)?

babangelsin2026-01-21 23:30

Yes, although I wouldn't call them "my numbers" when you can easily access Nefer + Bina team DPS calculations or test them yourself with a dummy.

blondly2026-01-21 23:37

I'm just gonna say that you should know what you're talking about before you comment things like "sounds like a massive rotation or build issue" because C0 Nefer without Lauma is ahh against this boss.

Also, don't know why you go on tangents regarding your Navia or test dummies as it doesn't help this exact scenario at all.

Maybe instead of using random information to suggest advice, it's better to keep your mouth shut to not sound like a clown (:

babangelsin2026-01-21 23:45

Boss has 12437830 HP on fearless. Shield has 45% of Max HP = 5597023 HP

Lunar reactions deal 300% damage to the shield. Entirety of team damage is lunar damage in that team. So, 5597023 / 3 = 1865647 damage needed.

You have 25 seconds to bring down the shield. This means that you need 75K DPS.

Nefer + Bina teams are (depending on your dendro unit) floating above 90K

Maybe instead of being a dumbfuck, try not being a dumbfuck

blondly2026-01-22 01:49

I'm not sure why you're so keen on sharing info that you never experienced.

I could care less about the numbers, but I know, after trying for hours, with builds on characters that range from top 1%-5% that your numbers aren't transferrable to the boss/situation.

There is no C0 Nefer on R5 BM with C0 Columbina and no Lauma or C2 Nahida that is getting through the first boss. The only way is to one cycle it after the shield breaks but that DPS check is way too high for this investment. And reaching a second shield will elapse too much time.

I'm sure your numbers are correct in certain situations, but all I'm saying is that they're flawed right now and you're not in a position to share advice when you have no experience going through it. That's all.

OnlyBrave2026-01-21 23:58

I'll add more fuel to the fire here too. I just can't clear the first boss's shield just using Nefer C0 + Bina C0 without Lauma. This is with the R5 Blackmarrow Lantern Nefer easily reaching >1200EM with a C0 Nahida on Deepwood, Bina with the Silken and Kokomi on Instructor's Set. I'd consider my Nefer decently built with ~75% CR and ~248 CDMG using the Unveiling set. Maybe a C2 Nahida can help here or the Bineffa wheelchair team... But my Nefer always falls short of breaking the purple dog's shield even with optimized rotations.

Then I saw a vid using the same team, except with Lauma subbed in for Kokomi... And that nearly doubled Nefer's damage output. This boss is realization that Lauma is a hard requirement for Nefer's max potential as a DPS.

babangelsin2026-01-22 00:02

> Lauma is a hard requirement for Nefer's max potential as a DPS

True, since she provides extra shred, quills and her own LB damage

Also true is that Bina + Nefer can clear it but for some reason you are using Kokomi instead of Sucrose.

Remember that not having max dps possible and not being able to clear a certain threshold are different things.

ace1841842026-01-21 23:19

Nefer without lauma will have a hard time clearing. What we have all found out is that nefer teams are secretly just lauma teams.

Have you tried bineffa with a grouper and an aoe to just kill birds? Or pure aoe team like mavuika with say kazuha?

blondly2026-01-21 23:23

Losing my 50/50 on Lauma was a big mistake. Investing into Nefer was a bigger mistake. Hopefully Hoyo will let me complete ONE lunar reaction team by the time Nod Krai ends XD

ace1841842026-01-22 03:51

Jokes on hoyo, I pulled lauma ineffa and now bina … skipped nefer and flins lol! Support impact all the way. Will probably skip zibai but also have like 30 pulls rn so no choice.

GeorgeFranklin22026-01-22 04:32

I also lost my Lauma 50/50 and decided to guarantee nefer. got her weapon thinking it would make up the dps loss from no lauma. It did not. Support impact is a plague on anything fun in GI

blondly2026-01-22 10:31

Supports used to enable a wide cast of characters but now they are so limited and tailored towards a small few. Lunar reactions coupled with back to back bis giga premium teammates = no fun if you can’t get them all xd

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babangelsin2026-01-21 22:45

With Columbina?

Adham11532026-01-21 22:35

Yeah this one kinda sucks, the dog in fearless is borderline impossible without bis nodkrai DPS

Darcula042026-01-21 22:58

I'm honestly struggling so much more with the crab from a lack of hydro dps or good hydro sub dps units apart from furina. Columbina sadly does 99% everything but hydro. My bina ineffa team clears the dog

Cormacolinde2026-01-21 23:13

Even with Neuv/Furina I had issues with the Crab on fearless. Switch to Skirk/Furina/Yelan/Escoffier it was easier.

yiriand2026-01-21 23:39

I had issues cleaning it with Yelan, but Tartaglia with his aoe hydro app from skill cleans small crabs like butter.

OnlyBrave2026-01-22 00:14

Same team, but I subbed in Mona, and she was better at clearing out the mini crabs faster... I tried Xingqui and Ayato w/ Burst... But still not getting the clears fast enough. Mona really clutched this one for me.

_Cyborg_1208_2026-01-21 23:50

I don't have yelan so subbed in kokomi, i did it but just don't ask me how

ChooChooMelon2026-01-22 02:51

bina ineffa with who else? im struggling to make a comp with them that deals enough damage without the lauma/nefer im seeing everywhere

Chadzuma2026-01-22 13:43

It feels like they balanced this shit for a Columbina who has a full 4pc set of cracked artifacts... after giving us a single week to farm the set. I have her skill crowned already but had to just give her good individual pieces from other sets, and without the set bonus her LC damage just isn't good enough to kill the dogs in the tiny window. Doesn't help that the grouping is cancer and basically demands Kazuha or a >200%ER Sucrose

Darcula042026-01-26 12:24

Wait why are you attacking the dogs with Lunar teams? When a team has majority lunar damage, it's actually easier to attack the big dog instead of the mini birds it spawns. The mini birds have 18% of the boss HP each and killing all of them breaks the shield. The main dog has a shield that's 45% of the boss hp that is 3x as weak to Lunar damage, so it's essentially just 15% of boss hp for lunar teams.

So your options are either non lunar teams with AoE damage that is at least 18% of the boss HP or lunar teams with single target damage that's 15% of the boss HP. With Bineffa teams just stand next to the big dog and spam shit. Plus when the big dog's shield takes lunar damage for the first time it refunds 36 energy too.

Diffikult-snek2026-01-21 23:55

I tried some teams, Flin+Ineffa already used for the 2nd boss, Bina + Aino for dog, impossible. Nahinda + Nilou, c2r1 c0r1, cant do it... Probably need Lauma

sobayakisoba2026-01-22 00:03

I saw some people doing Flins + Bina for dog and Aino + Ineffa for 2nd boss

Diffikult-snek2026-01-22 20:29

Thankyouthqnkyouthankyouu

Did just that, Flins Bina Yelan Kazu, and Aino Ineffa Sucrose Fischl, and it worked so easily.

Wanted to make sure I express my gratitude for the ideea. :)

sobayakisoba2026-01-22 20:35

I'm glad it worked \^\^

UnderstandingLow16192026-01-22 05:18

I use Nilou, Bina, Lauma, Nahida

No Nod-Krai DPS

Adham11532026-01-22 05:21

Lauma+Columbia

UnderstandingLow16192026-01-22 07:05

Both are sub-dps.

Xingqiu is also not dps. He's sub dps.
Furina C0 is not dps. She's sub dps.
Emilie is not dps. She's sub dps.

Alhaitham is dps.
Mavuika is dps.
Kinich is dps.

Alhaitham and Xingqiu are not the same.

Kinich is the dps of Melt team while Emilie is the sub dps of the team.

Adham11532026-01-22 13:51

You're arguing semantics.. my point is that you can't do it with a solo nod krai 5* character

bluedragjet2026-01-22 06:38

>No Nod-Krai DPS

> Bina, Lauma

UnderstandingLow16192026-01-22 07:02

That's sub-dps.

HygenicTetanus2026-01-22 16:59

It is pretty much impossible, Mav can't kill the birds for me even if she's able to hit all of them

fyrefox452026-01-21 22:37

Bina Ineffa sucrose can do it. I've seen chlorinde clear, though it was close. Anything better than her should be fine.

irllyshouldsleep2026-01-21 22:45

Ineffa/Bina/Sucrose/Fischl can do the first boss on fearless, I saw somebody did it. C0 both 5\*. Ineffa R1 PJWS, Bina Pamber. Idk what the builds were on the 4\* tho (I didn't ask them, I just checked their akasha). They did quickswap with the team.

ClashMasterJH2026-01-21 22:47

Ok great now i cleared the first stage with ineffa, i can no longer clear the second stage :)
God i love this gamemode

Constant-Fishing2026-01-21 22:51

You can just overload the 2nd boss you don’t need LC.

Xnub2026-01-21 22:51

Would help if you listed all characters, but if you dont have bina or nefer ... it might not be possible without a lot of sweat lol

NoFaithlessness95692026-01-21 23:01

dont stress to hard, its just one feather

AK2018D2026-01-21 23:47

some people care about the challenge more than the feathers tbh

dumpystumpy2026-01-21 23:18

If you have a good varesa overload team you can brute force shock trooper

AK2018D2026-01-21 23:45

I brute force it with Arle overload team

Sspockuss2026-01-22 00:16

Seconding this the team is really good just make sure (assuming it’s the boss I am thinking) you save Chevruse’s burst for the shield phase to force through enough elemental application to destroy it.

AK2018D2026-01-22 00:25

yeah you definitely got it right

rhyu02032026-01-22 05:25

isn't shocktrooper a pure dmg shield, not application? i have a top 1% c0r0 arlecchino and i still cant break the shield with overload. very close to breaking it with sucrose/xq/fischl support instead of overload. how were you able to clear it?

Sspockuss2026-01-22 06:04

Overload only gets competitive if Chevruse is C6. If she isn’t the other team should solidly perform better.

rhyu02032026-01-22 17:53

i've got c6 chevy, fischl, bennett

Stunning_Dealer_92112026-01-21 22:52

i just finish the stage to get the primos, aint no use tryharding for a lil feather lol

RubApprehensive25122026-01-22 02:13

I needed to level all my talents from 6 to 9 to finish this SO.

BobTheGodx2026-01-21 22:54

If you don't have strong c2 dps or newly released characters for the bosses, you won't clear fearless.

Gauwal2026-01-21 23:31

yes, you can just dps it, the correct reaction is just easier

leturna2026-01-21 23:45

I can't even clear fearless, I give up man. I don't feel like pulling Neuvi, Nefer, or Flins just to be able to get an extra feather every patch.

Linoren2026-01-21 23:51

Just coop it, theres a channel on official discord for coop requests, you can ask for help there and ppl usually carry you.

DI3S_IRAE2026-01-21 23:53

I always did menacing without troubles with a good team.

This time I used Nefer, Columbina, Lauma and Sucrose to clear and it was what, 110 seconds? It was *hard*.

I can't imagine how it would go with other characters.

This team barely has damage to kill the spawns quickly enough, and feels like Nefer is doing half the damage she should.

Honestly, i don't know what's going on and now I understand why people were saying they wouldn't clear menacing.

It's stupidly hard even for a good team, imagine not having the best characters for it.

blippyblip2026-01-22 01:23

> This team barely has damage to kill the spawns quickly enough,

You have that team and *you're killing the mobs*...?

Lunar damage can punch through the shield on the main boss, the mobs are just there so that non-Lunar teams can still get through the shield phase.

DI3S_IRAE2026-01-22 01:42

Hahaha yes, I came to realize it some moments ago.

GuideBusy31022026-01-22 05:11

Bruh the description for the boss is so misleading then. It says aim for the spawns 🫠

ImBadAtVideoGames12026-01-21 23:56

I barely managed to defeat the dog on Menacing difficulty with my Mavuika, Xilonen, Bennett, Citlali team. And by that I mean I literally only beat it by 1 second because I couldn't beat the chickens and had to deal with the wasted time. I probably got a few lucky crits too; either that or I got better at doing the proper rotations after trying so many times.

I suppose there's a slim chance I could do it faster if I threw my Columbina lunar-charge team at it, but I don't have Ineffa and I'd be left with a weaker electrocharge team for the 2nd boss, so I might not be able to beat that one.

OnlyBrave2026-01-22 00:19

I cleared that with Mavuika as well... But I subbed in Kazuha for Xilonen to group those chicken raptors, and Kazoo does help in that scenario quite a lot.

edavidfb0172026-01-21 23:57

Aino carry??? :D

Any ideas for the third.team? I don't have hydro main.

AK2018D2026-01-22 13:09

I used Skirk

ClashMasterJH2026-01-21 23:59

Update: So the reason they put Mavuika is purely so you can ignore the suggested elements and brute force the second stage huh. Great game design, love it.

Usually I can clear menacing with relative ease while I have never been able to clear fearless, that shit is just dumb for f2ps and low spenders like myself. But this time I think there is literally one configuration of my characters that can clear menacing and I literally would not have found it if not for these comments, so thank you.

If youre curious what I used
Columbina Ineffa Ororon Sucrose
Mavuika Iansan Chevreuse Varesa (AKA Well Done Steak)
Furina Escoffier Shenhe Ayaka (AKA LET HER COOK)

Ke5_Jun2026-01-22 00:22

If you’re talking about the list of exalted ones, that’s not the Devs’ decision. How it works is that after a certain amount of players on your server clear, it tallies the number of times each character is used and the highest/most used ones automatically become exalted ones. The mechanic is essentially allowing players who already cleared help out other accounts.

So Mavuika is only there because other players used her the most to brute force. You’re right about why Mavuika is used, but not about why she is on this list. It’s also why Amber, GMC, Zhongli, and Jean made the list last Stygian (people used them to cheese the Iktomisaur).

Vogies2026-01-22 01:42

I have several c6 r5 characters - some of which are meta, but I don't bother with Stygian anymore. I just clear hard in a few seconds and don't come back until next rotation

Fit-Application-12026-01-22 03:00

I only managed to clear because Flins can handle the abyss chicken and I could use Bina/Ineffa for the fatui. But man that abyss chicken is brutal, I tried some of my other teams and boy that shield didn’t go anywhere (and the adds are unreasonably tanky too?)

Axheron2026-01-22 19:08

Only buffing the Main DPS units and their specific supports for the last 5 patches is wild. I dont have Skirk, Flins, or Nefer, so this round was a special kind of hell.

Big_Map57952026-01-22 20:08

It's absolutely doable. I beat Fearless with just Columbina and Ineffa. Both C0R0. The other two slots went to Sucrose and Albedo.

Honestly, I think Albedo's slot could have gone to anyone. I've seen people using Fischl and it's probably the better option. I just hadn't done Fischl's Witch Homework yet, so my Fischl still wasn't a Hexerei character.

KafeinFaita2026-01-23 00:27

I used Sucrose, Fischl, Ineffa, Columbina in the first boss. Was able to beat Fearless.

Itchy-Locksmith-25902026-01-24 19:04

how do u even beat this boss without ineffa/nefer/lauma and no flins weapon and no c1+ chars ? can't even beat it with menacing by tryharding i was short 10 sec with flins