Clarification on Tsaritsa's actions in the recent quest

After becoming a god, Dotorre did not acknowledge Tsaritsa as his ruler. In his monologue, he stated in his own words that he intends to follow his own goals and started killing Tsaritsa's soldiers and citizens, as Nod Krai is officially a part of Sneznaya. Tsaritsa must have announced him as a traitor; otherwise, she would be seen as weak and stupid by her own soldiers and citizens. Unfortunately, most people in this community can't use basic logic and grasp this simple concept, as I have seen from the comments on my previous post. So here's an even simpler analogy:

Imagine you are the ruler of a country and want to fight a war against another country. Your subordinate becomes stronger than you. Now, it is good for you to work with that subordinate if they acknowledge you and follow your orders. However, you should immediately eliminate the subordinate if they refuse to follow your orders, denounce you as their ruler, and start killing your soldiers and citizens—which is exactly what Dotorre did in the story.

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Weaponmaster4702026-01-22 02:49

Even ignoring all of that, the chuuni jackass started his fraud god takeover on *her* territory (folks seem to forget Nod Krai is politically a Snezhnayan province, an autonomous one but still under Snezh) and messed with her resources.

TrashySheep2026-01-22 03:45

IMO, if the Tsaritsa does nothing, she's going to lose Arlecchino to protect an obviously not-so-loyal dog (also assuming Pierro is not loyal). It would be the defacto end of the Harbingers.

"#0" Pierro likely has his own agenda and is using the Tsaritsa
\#1 is chilling like the Lich King (so Return of the Lich King, maybe?)
\#2 is not loyal
\#3 is now more powerful than any Archon, and you sent your lackeys after her (after being manipulated by the Doctor). She has no loyalty towards the Tsaritsa. Her loyalty lies with Sandrone, Arlecchino and MC.
\#4 will leave
\#10 ???
\#11 He's a battle-addict but probably despise the doctor for almost killing his best bud (MC)

The Mayor and the Banker are trying to one-up each other while also sabotaging each other (maybe). Not really a strong unity here...

Sandrone is dead (probably will be rebuilt in Fontaine or something) and will not return if the Doctor is still a Harbinger

Wanderer is no longer a Fatui

Signorash

Yeah, the Harbingers are cooked

notthatjaded2026-01-22 04:36

Why do you think Pierro is using the Tsaritsa?

As far as Tartaggles goes, he's the only one that's been pretty unequivocally stated in several different places to be unquestionably loyal to the Tsaritsa. Presumably, the only thing that would push him off of that is if she intentionally put his family in danger or something.

OkExtension72892026-01-22 21:01

I doubt that. Pierro said in Winter Night's Lazzo that 'not a single pawn will be spared' implying that Fatui harbingers are ready to sacrifice their members. Aaaand Tsaritsa has already obtained 6 out of 7 gnoses. Oh, one little interesting thing. When Arlecchino got orders from Tsaritsa to freely kill Dottore if necessary, also this discussion happens:

**Childe:** ...What in the world has been going on in Nod-Krai?

**The Knave:** A lot. But long story short, Dottore stole two Moon Marrows that should have belonged to Columbina, then built a third Moon Marrow of his own to concentrate the tri-lunar authority in his hands.

**Childe:** What!? What do you mean, he built a moon marrow? People build roads and houses, not moon marrows... What's his next DIY project? He's gonna build a god?

**The Knave:** You could stand to be less surprised. We are Harbingers — the work we are engaged in makes the creation of gods seem mundane by comparison.

Take a note here; Dottore technically ascending to godhood, messing in Nod Krai and wielding trinlunar authority is seen mundane by comparison to whatever Harbingers are really doing.

BigBoss828912026-01-22 11:20

And to add all of that her now *former* subordinate just announced to everyone he's the new god of teyvat and *anyone* who won't follow him gets killed.

Fktard just told the other archons and nations to serve him as the new leader or he'll kill you while never announcing he cut ties with the tsaritsa basically made it look like she sanctioned this usurpation. She's politically fcked. If i was the leader if said nation, I've already seized Northland bank's assets in my country and expel all diplomats and any all fatui agents in country will be wanted fugitives and will be brought in dead or alive.

There's no recourse except to kill college dropout. Sure she can try to do a show of force that she can take them on individually but that goes out the window when the traveler calls that bluff and call in the goodwill he built up with the 6 other nations to figuratively and literally fck the fatui over. More than half if the fatui wont side with her and the remaining are all self centered fcks that will gladly drop her the first sign of sht hitting the fan, even assuming pierro is loyal to her, that's 1 *out of the 13*. That's so laughably sad.