No comp whatsoever could deal with Dark Arceus, then no built roomba destroys it first try

Tried whatever Bina comp with cheap f2p options available, built c0 Aino/ c6 Sucrose could actually kill all fishers and pass the shield mechanic but then failed to meet the dps check to finish the boss. C0 Jahoda didn't even got close. Almost bruteforced it with the 3rd team but the shield was always barely surviving.
At this point I go for the Ineffa banner, stick a lvl 70 weapon on her, gave her Aino's set (juicy unoptimized hp% for her), no mats in sight cause this wasn't planned so she'll stay lvl 40 for a while, all talents lvl 1, no passive unlocked, and the horse gets annihilated by double lunar damage I ever achieved with any other comp, just focusing on the boss and ignoring the fishers entirely. Whatever sweaty minmaxing crowd control I tried was beat in one try by this braindead gameplay.
It's not even funny at this point, Hoyo you gotta halt these weird comp restrictions and make some viable 4* too.
Basically we had to use Hydro 5* for every single boss this time, so it wasn't really fun trying to bruteforce with invested old teams any of the bosses. Also I don't want to talk about the Crab snapshots with those flying bombs.

Commentaires

newplayer1352026-01-22 04:04

Right, like, this is just boring. It gives no satisfaction to clear the shill only because you pulled the shill, therefore you get an auto-win, and every other team in the game has to massively struggle. No offense to you at all. What kind of game design even is this.

ZachKaiser2026-01-22 05:54

The kind that wants your money.

Ifalna_Shayoko2026-01-22 06:04

Classic Gacha game design, lol.

First time?

FlameDragoon9332026-01-22 10:19

it's always weird seeing comments like this get downvoted.

It's not a defense, guys. It's just an explanation. Most gachas are like this.

Ifalna_Shayoko2026-01-22 14:28

Most people do not like being told the truth.

Downvotes? Think nothing of it, just normal social media insanity.

Ze_AwEsOmE_Hobo2026-01-22 14:38

There is a thin line between what gets perceived as an explanation or excuse, though. And different flavors of, "it is what it is," aren't really liked as either.

This really *is* how a lot of gachas are, of course. But it also is worth noting that Genshin *isn't* like most gachas, and that this *wasn't* its game design until very recently.

Years 1 through 4 didn't have as egregious restrictions in the endgame. Considering the game's success from then until now, it isn't like these tactics are warranted or needed.

Cathrao2026-01-22 14:55

Genshin just held it back for long enough to garner a playerbase that's now too invested to ditch the game. Player retention at its smartest.

The shift in approach started in Fontaine. Most people were just too blind to notice, for some reason.

Worth thinking; perhaps that's why they also held back the "real" endgame for so long. The more difficult something is, the easier it showcases the uglier side of a game, its balancing, and how healthy it is.

Ifalna_Shayoko2026-01-22 17:53

>Considering the game's success from then until now, it isn't like these tactics are warranted or needed.

I completely agree but apparently their business execs think otherwise.

Thankfully, they had the good sense to not gate anything actually interesting behind the highest levels of HP bloat. So the average player can just pretend they do not exist.

SecretSpectre112026-01-22 11:22

I fucking hate this argument so much. If this game was a “classic gacha game” do you think it would be so popular in the mainstream?

Ifalna_Shayoko2026-01-22 14:32

Just because they toned down the magnitude, doesn't make it less "classic". It's the same underlying behavioral pattern.

Their design direction in regards to powercreep seems to have shifted with the release of Fontaine, Natlan merely made it much more obvious.

* 1.x & 2.x had very little powercreep. They mostly explored different combat niches
* 3.x obfuscated powercreep by introducing a new element to shill
* 4.x started bloating the numbers to test the waters (pun intended)
* 5.x went full Bananas and even tried to use overworld traversal as a sales gimmick
* 6.x shills as hard as never before

You can rage, you can downvote but you can't change the simple facts.

SecretSpectre112026-01-23 00:15

And this is *precisely why* people are angry over powercreep. If this was just another gacha game nobody would care about the powercreep. In the minds of a lot of people this game is as much of an open-world RPG as a gacha game.

OmniOnly2026-01-22 15:36

It took years to get here and you can just brute force it.

Ifalna_Shayoko2026-01-22 17:50

That's completely irrelevant for a new player. He'll have to navigate a minefield of sub-par oder characters and deal with the powercreep upfront.

Yeah you can brute-force via constellations on older chars.

Good Morning, sunshine, THAT IS THE POINT. Either pull for new meta or dump cash into those constellations.

Ecstatic-Source60012026-01-22 07:27

Game design is you do it only for 1 feather which wont even roll good stats 😁

TYRDurden2026-01-24 11:01

If only people understood this more then this garbage gamemode would not get so much publicity. The rewards are shit. You should treat it like shit.

saberjun2026-01-22 07:35

Like it or not,bragging right is a type of satisfaction

TheFlash12942026-01-22 10:53

Bragging rights are fun if you have to earn them. This is a zero skill character check.

saberjun2026-01-23 01:01

It took me around 8 hours to finally clear the pyro crab. In the end I had planned every second of the two minutes. Skirk hold E can do me a short quick movement. Where should I land. When to use Kokomi’s ult. When to use Furina’s Q. What combo I use my Skirk. Should I cast Xingqiu Q before Skirk’s EAA. Is my C2 Yelan better than Xingqiu in this battle… All these details finally let me clear this floor. Did I earn it? Of course if I had pulled Neuvuileette,this floor could be done ten times easier.

Rat_itty2026-01-22 08:35

That's what I've been saying for so long 😭 it's a lose-lose situation. You're either not satisfied because you can't clear no matter your knowledge of the game, or you're not satisfied because you pull the wheelchair and clear so easily it barely registers.

I settled on menacing this time I really dgaf about pulling 2 characters just to clear one level in one endgame. Whatever man...

I hate what lunar did to this game, it really is like anti-game design. Reverse of what dendro did back in the day imho. Genshin can still have creative boss designs like Fearless version of aeonblight chicken, the turtle or even the Herra if it had less hp, mechanic itself is really fun with the boss aura infusion (the hp chunk prevents us from using actually fun creative teams, but it's not the mechanic's fault). But yeah wild hunt shields and now this is just NOT fun at all... there's no puzzle to solve just characters to pull.

newplayer1352026-01-22 09:48

I just spent 2 hours optimizing a Ganyu freeze clear against D5 dog, before coming to the conclusion it was impossible. I then played Ganyu/Columbina/Ineffa/Sucrose all C0, and cleared in literally 1 attempt, despite having no clue what I was doing, just mashing buttons. It's an absolute disgrace.

It was never about the feathers or rewards. Playing a fun endgame is the reward. Without it, primos and feathers are worthless. If you give me 1000 feathers but turn the endgame into full HSR, what good are the feathers? You're never clearing anyways if you don't have the shill.

KaedeP_222026-01-22 09:58

The first Stygian Onslaught ever I struggled with Hydro Tulpa so much for not having Citlali while seeing videos with her trivializing its gimmick.

That's when I realized how bullshit this 'endgame' is.

cattlebats2026-01-22 10:32

The shilled characters already do the most damage in the game they really didnt need to do all that. I think for the first boss it might be easier to clear dire with a shilled team than fearless without one (c0).

MediLimun2026-01-22 11:39

Honestly it was't "free win" unless you had full premium flins/nefer teams. At 1-2 cost even the shill struggles

KombuchaWay2026-01-22 12:21

The kinds that most blind fans here love, because mhy doesn't do power creep according to them, the game is balanced perfectly and any 1.x 4* (of course it has to be from the big four) can clear literally anything (they can't this end game).

I hate it.

brliron2026-01-22 12:46

IMO pulling for cons gives no satisfaction for exactly the same reason. Yet everyone loves cons, and I'm the weird one for not wanting them.

So I guess the community loves this kind of thing.

Othello3512026-01-22 14:26

Cons mainly keep the character from falling behind in their role (usually) faster than c0.

For instance, c2 Nahida is still pretty damn good, even if her c2 is basically Lauma's base kit.

So if you have C2 Nahida and c0 Lauma you basically have Lauma and a slightly weaker Lauma thats good for Aggravate and the other dendro-electro reaction.

And Venti's hex + c1 basically makes him a viable dps even now.

C's are good for longevity 'cause when the endgame shill ends the shiny new character you pulled is gonna require more investment.

They still aren't in any way necessary, they're just for comfort. I consistently still clear content with C0R1 Neuv+C0R0 Fav Furina and i don't intend on changing that any time soon.

brliron2026-01-22 14:51

Longevity is only a real argument when a character becomes outdated. Many people pulled for Furina C2 or even C6 2 years ago, back when she was dominating the meta.

Adventurous_Bother192026-01-22 15:05

even so, having a new char is way better if you have to choose either making c2 or getting the new shilling. but being better doesn't mean its your better, it's a game, so if you like someone enough and want to invest, go for it

ianmeyssen2026-01-22 14:27

Cons are cool if they can change the way you play or build teams. But i do agree that pure damage boosting cons are kinda lame

UnderstandingLow16192026-01-23 01:40

It's lame for DPS. But for supports, cons that boost damage enable the way we can play weak characters. Like pulling cons for 1 character and now I can play my Ganyu, Yoimiya, Xiao, etc. in Endgame contents again.

Ifalna_Shayoko2026-01-23 06:01

VERY few people play for challenge. Like EXTREMELY FEW.

That's why harder content always needs a carrot to coax players into engaging with it.

So naturally, the average player will love constellations that give more power and make content easier.

It ain't rocket surgery, just basic psychology.

Rasenpapi2026-01-22 15:53

its not even that good for the shill either. breaking the shield only does like 8% of its hp and stuns it for a rotation.

plus it has insanely high hp

SecretSpectre112026-01-22 04:13

And there are STILL idiots defending this shit somehow

FlameCats2026-01-22 06:00

You guys are literally willingly doing the 2nd Hardest endgame mode with negligible rewards- if they locked primogems behind Fearless or Dire, I'd agree. Hell even Menacing... but it's not, primogems are in Hard mode which is easily doable.

This is Fearless difficulty. Put the controller/keyboard down, and chill.

Get your primos in Hard mode and leave, lol.

Edit: https://youtu.be/akORUU9aVls?si=N6ydNT94KHchwJu0

Oh! Seems like C0 Arlecchino can still clear this content, no Ineffa, guess it's challenging content still doable by characters from 2 - 3 years ago! With no constellations. Guess it's not as shilled as you guys say. Sorry!

Yuki-jou2026-01-22 06:49

Exactly what I do. I don’t have the characters to clear this, so I stop at hard and am satisfied with my primos.

WeirdBeako2026-01-22 07:01

For alot of players it's not about the rewards though. Some people want challenge but upon realizing how inherently unfair it is (SO is here only to sell you banner characters really, not for you to have fun with your own comps) become demotivated and then vent like this. Sure, they brought it upon themselves, but it's not like simply settling on Menacing which is piss easy in comparison will fix their itch for a fun combat focused content in the game either.

FlameCats2026-01-22 14:18

No Ineffa here.

https://youtu.be/akORUU9aVls?si=N6ydNT94KHchwJu0

Be better.

Amaguri_Senko2026-01-22 07:07

Just because you are incompetent does not mean other people are, and no, a feather is not negligible reward even if rolls terrible

saberjun2026-01-22 07:36

If you want it,then you’ll have to take it

SecretSpectre112026-01-22 07:09

By your logic I should just stop playing the game because the game gives no rewards in real life.

bastianwibisana2026-01-22 08:24

if the rewards for menacing and fearless were weapon skins (not permanent) would you still be mad for not doing it? is truly the feathers that bother you?

Exarke2026-01-22 07:11

It's not about the overall difficulty, it's about the disparity between what's being shilled and what isn't. Some difference is expected for banner sales, but they're really taking to the extreme.

FlameCats2026-01-22 14:21

https://youtu.be/akORUU9aVls?si=N6ydNT94KHchwJu0

C0 Arlecchino no Ineffa team still clearing it, makes it look pretty easy.

Ya'll wanna do hard content but aren't willing to actually try.

Guess it wasn't actually impossible...

burntpankeki2026-01-22 15:58

\-C0 Arle with her **Signature**

\- it took 120s to clear. This person definitely took SEVERAL retries just to get everything right.

\- optimized and high cv artifacts. Each artifact has at least only like 1 or 2 dead roll

this isn't the "gotcha" moment you think it is lmao. the average arlechinno haver won't spend 5 hours trying to brute force content that wasn't made for her. be better.

chi_pa_pa2026-01-22 07:40

^ example of idiots defending this shit

FlameCats2026-01-22 14:23

https://youtu.be/akORUU9aVls?si=N6ydNT94KHchwJu0

Git gud.

C0 Arlecchino, No Ineffa clearing it.

Maybe the problem is just you guys, all the arguments about wanting tough endgame content and here's a non-Lunar team without investment from 2 - 3 years ago clearing this same boss on Fearless with ease... genuinely a skill issue.

Varglord2026-01-22 12:53

It's not about the rewards, it's about having a fun challenge. They took steps to make sure the dog isn't a challenge, it's just hard-locked.

Drense2026-01-22 13:24

If you arent ragebaiting

I dont understand this argument really... i been playing the game since release, i have a lot of characters and overall good builds, far from being a casual. I want to clear the mode i dont expect to clear diff 6 but 5? yeah or atleast if i dont clear i want it to be because i have skill issue.

This isnt skill issue, the challenge is having x character or not... just that, it feels like hoyo is dissaproving any character you pull and the time invested on them

FlameCats2026-01-22 14:17

https://youtu.be/akORUU9aVls?si=N6ydNT94KHchwJu0

Seems like ya just suck, sorry.

No Ineffa here.

PhasmicPlays2026-01-22 04:18

You know it’s messed up when my 10 cost venti team only barely clears this abyssal fuck in time

NightsLinu2026-01-22 09:54

My venti can't do shit without durin. I regret getting his weapon.

PhasmicPlays2026-01-22 11:10

It especially pains me because I’m first and foremost a klee main. And nearly all of her teammates are also wanted by venti

I was forced to run klee with a team full of four stars against the shock trooper and it was torture

Ok-Introduction-78142026-01-22 04:40

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Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 04:45

So you're saying I have to pull for every single new 5\* unit in every patch and throw down the drain all of my previous pulls, needing full uptime on welkin, and probably even more, to get a single reroll feather. Sounds worth to me.
I guess I must include the /s since you probably need it.

Ok-Introduction-78142026-01-22 04:51

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app082026-01-22 05:27

This is really bad bait, dude, you can do better.

Ok-Introduction-78142026-01-22 05:41

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Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 06:01

Who even said I didn't play recently, I play since day 1 and barely skipped a couple of login days. I've a ton of pulls at the ready, I just didn't pull for characters I didn't like, and funny you're talking about mechanics when, trying to respect them with many different comps had worse results than pressing 2 buttons on a baby 40 lvl unbuilt character. I hope this is a kid ragebaiting cause if you're serious I'm sorry for you.

Meettherubbish2026-01-22 06:42

Lol they deleted while i was replying to them

Just in case they take a peak later, this is the comment i spent time writing and would rather it not be left without posting: You realise this is the first stygian where a boss is literally not clearable by other 5 star teams that dont shill it? Every stygian allows for creative high builds to clear so far. Anyone who invests resin into their characters and ranks on the leaderboards is usually able to clear even up to dire without high cons (sometimes without even sigs). This is the literal first time they implement a boss that is only beatable by shill in fearless and up. So let people complain, since you yourself don't seem to know the difference between this SO and the others. Those people who are complaining are used to being creative and competitive. You not being used to the same thought process doesnt mean you're higher, better or smarter than them. Quite the contrary actually.

Meettherubbish2026-01-22 05:43

They pulled 2 of the 5 shill characters which is the regular amount of limited 5 stars a f2p can guarantee during that time... now please rest down. You're gonna pop a vein over strangers online being f2p and not paying money on your beloved gacha game.

ctuigg2026-01-22 05:23

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newplayer1352026-01-22 06:37

It's not about the feather or the primos. It's about having a fun endgame mode. I would give up every feather forever in SO if it meant we could have actual interesting bosses like Drake, Turtle, Herra, etc. that don't omegashill stuff and can be cleared by a wide variety of characters, by coming up with creative teams and strats.

Because it's not about feathers or primos, it's about having fun, and this endgame mode is not fun for anyone who wants an actual challenge outside of using the 5 best DPS units in the game.

PandaBlueDance2026-01-22 05:47

Surely you can beat hard difficulty to get all the primos without newer units?

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 05:53

Yeah that's the point, the guy above me is making it sound like it's the end of the world if we don't pull every new meta unit. Fearless is not mandatory, I just do it for the challenge but this is the first time I have nothing available to beat it and Bina alone felt like wasted potential without another good nod krai support. Hard is clearable by c0 4 stars.

Porling20022026-01-22 05:57

You made the post chucklefuck

Rayaku2026-01-22 05:54

That's what I am doing. I'm not touching my funds to pull a character just for a feather.

Ifalna_Shayoko2026-01-22 06:06

Either that or use whale level teams to brute force.

It's not rocket surgery, this is the intent behind this content and also the reason why anything past hard does not reward Gacha currency.

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-22 06:11

The players who think skipping character is a right and then apply for contents that require latest units only to complain are the most insufferable in my opinion. Like dawg this game mode is designed to make the dolphin/whales/leviathan (who are one major investors supporting the game financially) feel satisfied.

Imagine you are a whale/leviathan, how pointless it would be if f2p and casuals were able to clear the same content as you. If I were a whale I sure would feel salty about whaling if the small fish near me got the same privileges as me.

CharlesEverettDekker2026-01-22 05:42

So, they got what they wanted. They made you spend/pull on the character you probably didn't want in the first place just to clear this aah event.
This whole gamemode is a joke and a shill. 90% of it is just having the right characters and the rest is having the right weapons, arts and rotations.

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 06:08

The choice was between having wasted pulls on Bina without a good complementary unit to make her shine, waiting who knows how for a good pair in a distant future that may even never come, or getting immediately a key character I don't like to at least use her. I"ll take the L this time.

AmberAglia2026-01-22 05:45

Yah i had to split my flins premium into two different teams to clear stygian :// i dont have nefer. Bina and lauma couldnt clear his shield fast enough. So i put bina and ineffa on boss 1 and flins scuffed af team boss 2. Skirk boss 3 cuz i used neuv in boss 1 😭

Strict-Bet58592026-01-22 08:44

I did the opposite Flins colombina boss 1
Ineffa aino second boss
Took many retries
What even is the thing that reduce the shield
It feels as if the small LC ticks were not enough when I tried ineffa colombina against it
I have nefer on another account and even she struggled but at least she had 3/4 of her team with her to help

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-22 06:15

Repost: The players who think skipping character is a right and then apply for contents that require latest units only to complain are the most insufferable in my opinion. Like dawg this game mode is designed to make the dolphin/whales/leviathan (who are one major investors supporting the game financially) feel satisfied.

**Imagine you are a whale/leviathan, how pointless it would be if f2p and casuals were able to clear the same content as you. If I were a whale I sure would feel salty about whaling if the small fish near me got the same privileges as me.**

Now, I know my comment will hurt someone it even hurts me to some extent. But the second paragraph is something I experienced in real life and since then I apply it in the other way around on f2p games.

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 06:27

Problem is, this mode wasn't so punishing until now, I cleared all Fearless modes on any past SO with the same characters, yeah I struggled more than dolphins for sure, but I like challenges and everything else in the game feels too easy currently, yes even the Abyss. But this is actually a spike in difficulty from previous versions, the main issue being 2 bosses requiring the new reactions and all bosses needing one or more hydro 5* to go the easy way.
If dolphins are unhappy they get the same results pulling every single 5* and still struggling they could use some more effort instead of relying on money, and actually have fun with the game.

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-22 08:09

Sure, relying on money to win digital rewards is beyond ridiculous but if they are having fun that way it's their choice. **Here is what I think**

Hard is for players who just wanna get over with this.

Menacing is for a little bit of challenge for players who didn't stay cheapskate to save for the character coming in 2030(I pulled Flins and bina f2p).

Fearless and dire is either for those who have insane luck in character building or for those who have more money than they can spend.

newplayer1352026-01-22 06:35

? Except I have the full lunar shill package (Nefer/Lauma/Columbina), can steamroll Fearless at C0R0 with 3 units, and it's still shitty game design. I don't want a participation trophy for pulling some units, and if you think that about whales, it's an insult to their intelligence, if you think all they want is some auto-win for throwing some money at the game.

You think whales like it when 80% of their C6 characters are completely worthless against the new flavor-of-the-week shill boss?

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-22 08:00

I am not a whale so I wouldn't know. As for if I **were** a whale I sure wouldn't bring a Pyro dps against a Pyro immune character lol.

DR4G0NH3ART2026-01-22 08:56

My c5r1 mav have a hard time clearing fearless dog. No I don't feel great about whaling. I think your understanding of people who spend money is incorrect. People who spend money don't feel bad others are anle to clear. But they feel really bad when after spending also they are unable to clear because of whacky mechanics created by interns when someone asks to sell new shiny character. I c6 every archon(mav pulls ready for next banner to c6) but I won't invest in columbina because with those 6 char pulls I can pay for 6 characters shilled next year instead. So yeah, the design does not feel good as even if I have crystals in account I don't feel like spending.

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-22 09:26

>I can pay for 6 characters shilled next year instead

Congratulations 🎉, you learnt something very good thanks to your past mistakes(I assume c6 zhongli is just cosmetics). Like seriously, if you have the resources to get c6 archons(we have 5 archons as of now) then ofcourse you will have the money to get Flins, lauma, bina, Nefer and varka+durin.

Note: I say 5 archons assuming furina and bina are not archons.

Old_Manufacturer5892026-01-22 07:03

>**Imagine you are a whale/leviathan, how pointless it would be if f2p and casuals were able to clear the same content as you. If I were a whale I sure would feel salty about whaling if the small fish near me got the same privileges as me.**

Damn, how pathetic you'd be.

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-22 07:57

Sometimes it's better to be a bit pathetic 😉 than pointing other as pathetic.

abu_al_fuad692026-01-22 07:28

There's dire for that, I (the skipper) couldn't clear menacing without my friend carrying me through it

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-22 07:57

Atleast you cleared it with your friend carrying you.👍 I remember back in my early days I struggled to clear lvl 90 artifact domains and had to bring my friends and as for abyss I didn't even bothered doing it...

You get what I am getting at right? I hope you do.

abu_al_fuad692026-01-22 08:18

I have 80 characters and my builds are incredible since I have been artifact mines for nearly 1200 days, not to mention the 300 dollars I spent throughout. Do I not have the right to complain?

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-22 09:18

I wanted to counter argue but

>Do I not have the right to complain?<

On second thought yeah, you do have the right to complain. I will leave it at that.

laxounet2026-01-22 09:18

Leave dire and/or rankings for whales, but F2P should be able to clear fearless without the latest characters. And for now, as long as you have good/specific characters it's still doable but it's getting harder every SO.

newplayer1352026-01-22 12:40

It's always been this way - I've always been able to clear almost every fearless bosses with old units and comps that meet the requirements. Last cycle, D5 Baptist was clearable with a lot of old units and teams like Ganyu, Alhaitham, etc. at C0, low cost, none of which even came close to 100k DPS. Same with Herra, 4\* only fearless clear. Even Papilla, a very restrictive boss, could be cleared with free + 4\* units.

The fact that now, you almost certainly need Mavuika/Skirk to brute force FEARLESS if you don't have the lunar shill, is fucking terrifying.

Ricksaw262026-01-22 06:25

I don't know if the fact that escoffier is doing more damage at c1 than ayaka at c4 is concerning or not.

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 06:29

I think that number's scuffed, that's probably the small crabs damage mechanic added to it, my Esco never went past 217k of single instance damage, and my Ayaka deals 49% of the team's total damage.

Melantha_Hoang2026-01-22 06:27

Ineffa has passive 1 unlock (which is where most of her dmg is from), which helps trigger Columbina Lunar dmg faster, which breaks the shield faster (Ineffa also help)

Edit: correction here, normal Lunar charge is enough to help Columbina trigger her Lunar dmg, so the tiny bit extra Lunar charge from Ineffa only help breaking the shield better

Also, this is meta data, check HomDGCat for them, to break the shield by killing fisher, you need to deal 72% (18% each) total hp of the main boss, while the shield itself is 45% hp of the boss and take triple dmg from Lunar dmg

You could try again without Ineffa and just focus on the boss so Columbina Lunar dmg only hit the boss shield

Edit: you could also try lunar bloom Columbina or lunar crystallize cause they trigger/deal lunar dmg base on applications and not timer

Nozarashi782026-01-22 08:42

Without Nefer I don't think it's possible to break the shield with lunar bloom even in Menacing. I tried multiple times with Columbina and Lauma in a Nilou team.

You also don't want to use Ineffa, Lauma and Columbina all together because Lauma fucks up the hydro application

Melantha_Hoang2026-01-22 08:44

Use Columbina charge atk to do lunar bloom dmg, although you might need to change artifact around and need talent lv

AmuuboHunt2026-01-22 18:54

Did this and still wasn't enough in menacing let alone fearless

iMPoSToRRBiSCuiT2026-01-22 06:34

The hell are you feeding your Escoffier???

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 06:38

I guess the game considered the little crabs damage shooting at the boss on the character dealing the final blow to them, cause there's no way she dealt more than Ayaka 😂

wwwilson1911992026-01-22 10:07

Its her damage, she deals more than Ayaka that’s the truth.

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 10:36

No it's not, she can't reach that high damage, she never did, from tests I made Ayaka carries the team with 49% of the total damage, Furina 18%, Esco 26%, Shenhe 7%.

SuicidalU2026-01-22 07:06

Managed to bruteforce it with Melt Mauvika c1r1 with kazuha instead of xilonen, wasn't so bad tho. Just killing the chickens instead of the boss gave me enough time to kill that abomination

Ryujin_Kurogami2026-01-22 07:20

\> it wasn't really fun trying to bruteforce with invested old teams

That's the point. Force you to be miserable and frustrated to the point you shell out. Live service games 101.

One_Conflict46072026-01-22 07:57

Any video proof

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 09:08

Didn't record the first time so i took it now, even had a better time, [here you go](https://www.reddit.com/user/Dreadwyrm_Bahamut/comments/1qjot4l/as_requested/).

One_Conflict46072026-01-22 10:52

Thanks, what artifact xilonen using?

One_Conflict46072026-01-22 10:55

And does your clorinde running on standard atk/electro artifac for raw damage, or using em/atk for lunar charged?

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 10:57

You can check everyone [here](https://akasha.cv/profile/700248784)

Chakolatechip2026-01-22 08:17

It didn’t feel too shilled to me compared to others.

MeteorFalcon2026-01-22 09:44

I think "conceptually" the boss is cool. Either use Luna reactions or kill the mobs. But the time to kill mobs is wayyyy too quick.

Also they keep ungrouping, its so annoying

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 10:24

This time it's either "use a good pair of nod krai 5* or be a whale", the dps needed to kill them all is insane and only the shilled comp will hit them all, else you find a crowd control but you'll lose team synergy and fail to the timer at the end, it's a wall cosplaying as a mechanic.

yokuyuki2026-01-22 19:23

F2P here and with Kazuha, C2R1 Mavuika, Citlali, Bennett was able to clear with 10s to spare. With a bit more optimization, I could probably clear before the second shield phase.

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 19:53

F2P doesn't really mean anything in this context, you invested in a meta dps with bis 5* limited support, whom I don't like and didn't pull, you can always bruteforce at least one boss with that team. That's a 4 cost minimum if we ignore their weapons, and no player can find them in the current banners, you get what I'm getting to?

yokuyuki2026-01-22 19:56

You're the one who said "use a good pair of nod krai 5* or be a whale". I didn't do either.

FallenAngelII2026-01-22 12:04

Venti's time to shine!

Rulhado2026-01-22 10:11

Life is so much better when you pretend Stygian Onslaught doesn't exist

DI3S_IRAE2026-01-22 14:39

Hard on coop is fun

IVKILL2026-01-22 18:55

For me hard isn't funny, is easy as 10th floor. But when I tried the maleficent, is like I fighting the local legends, so unrealistic hard if u don't have the proper team, build or cons.

I think that the only maleficent that a win was the first.

DI3S_IRAE2026-01-22 22:55

Hard on coop is fun, sometimes you get paired with a lvl 20 player using a lvl 40 Nahida, and the team throw the effort. It's about the interaction, to me.

This time, menacing is definitely too hard.

First boss, I have Nefer, Lauma, Columbina (Barbara or sucrose or fischl last slot).

First time I attacked the little spews, it took some time to clear.

Then someone told me i should be attacking the big one to deplete the shield, that the fight should be too easy with my team.

Today I tried it and nope, same clear time. It's hard no matter what, *and I have the best team for it*, minus Ineffa.

IVKILL2026-01-22 23:08

The coop thing is a good point.

And yeah, genhsin should be less whale or at least give less reward on those, since for someone to clear it, he/she will need cons anyways

CrumblingReality5052026-01-22 10:21

I love when people call anyone upset with these kinds of bosses bad and with skill issue and then you look at how they beat it and it’s characters from the current banner

Hot_Fix_31312026-01-22 11:37

Yo how did you do the second boss with no electro charge for his shied?

I can stall the mechanic and dodge the lighting attacks but even then I don’t have the damage to clear him in one cycle before he shields again.

I tried all sorts of team comps, c2r1 Arle as well.

Teach me please

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 16:32

With my team I only use everyone's skills once and then spam Arle's NAx3 into CA all way until I deplete the first shield bar, when the 1st one is down I set electro turrets again, then Chevy's burst and skill, then Benny burst, and again Arle skill, CA and NAx3 into CA until all shields left break, also ignore the lightnings with Arle and just keep up the rotation, the damage is negligible, don't use Arle's burst in this phase cause the timing is tight and it slows you down, I only use it when Benny's burst is over and IF Arle's skill was just used, then Arle skill but don't CA yet until you have team buffs, while the skill's cooldown is already going so you won't have to wait too much for the next one, Arle's C2 main source of damage is the Ca after skill and subsequent NA spam while buffed. Don't use bursts you don't need for buffs, like I never used Yae's burst since she has a GT build and she's there only to be sure electro is always applied. Then you just repeat the same rotation, in my case Overload makes him stagger a lot and sometimes even delays the next shield, in my last try he never even casted the second shield and just died while staggered.

GolldenFalcon2026-01-22 17:14

You can brute force it with the general brute force characters mavuika and skirk.

Hot_Fix_31312026-01-22 21:34

I’m brute forcing the first boss with Mav. I don’t have skirk or any lunar units

GolldenFalcon2026-01-22 21:37

If you have c2r1 arle then boss 2 should be more than clearable as well. Overload with chevy iansan ofc and bennett if you have but just another fill if you don't. The idea is to permastagger him so he literally never even shields for the first time.

Hot_Fix_31312026-01-22 22:04

Yeah I don’t have iansan sadly, and my chev is c0.

I do have Durin c3r1 and c6r1 wrio as probably my next best dps. Venti c2r1 too.

I tried for a while yesterday but he recharges his shield faster than I can break it without electro charge. I’ll do some more runs today

GolldenFalcon2026-01-22 22:35

Maybe try fischl if you have her with the durin and arle and if you have another electro applier that's probably best bet for boss 2 to keep it staggered.

Hot_Fix_31312026-01-22 22:42

Yeah I swapped Fischl to sacrificial to get more up time on her electro. Actually just realised I can use kuki for more electro and some healing.

So overload will break the shield fast enough?

GolldenFalcon2026-01-22 23:19

Overload will permanently stagger him before he gets his first shield off, and he'll never have a shield for the entire fight.

Hot_Fix_31312026-01-23 00:24

Oooooh that’s the secret hey, thank you for you sharing. I’ll give it a go today 🙏

GolldenFalcon2026-01-23 00:38

Good luck bro go get that feather

Hot_Fix_31312026-01-23 01:41

The overload doesn’t work for stagger, is it for a lower difficulty maybe?

I’m trying fearless

GolldenFalcon2026-01-23 02:08

You just have to pump out enough damage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya2pn0eVJpM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yBK-KA1-o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSVG2z3hlFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPDh2qqM0m4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya2pn0eVJpM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eAdsjgTgV4

You have C2R1 which is overkill for Fearless

KombuchaWay2026-01-22 12:20

Welcome to the super forced power creep! Don't you like it??

Rasenpapi2026-01-22 15:52

the shield is purely motion value and application based

as long as you have fast application it will get destroyed. but the only units in the game that can do that is nefer with bina, and flins with ineffa.

then on top of that it has a shit ton of HP already. my mid-high investment nefer team with nefer, lauma, bina, nahida just barely clears it on fearless

not only is it crazy shill, but its also got the most raw stats scaling of any gimmick boss

GolldenFalcon2026-01-22 17:13

The fuck are you talking about in the first section of your post. Lunar teams are always supposed to aim for the main body of the dog not the offshoots.

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 17:22

I tried both ways, going for the boss or for the minions, it was never enough lunar reaction damage with only Aino or Jahoda in the team. Bina-Aino-Sucrose-Clorinde could actually kill all the minions and clear the shield, then failed to kill the boss cause it started the shield mechanic a second time and there's not enough timer to break it again.

GolldenFalcon2026-01-22 17:25

The boss takes extra damage VS lunar damage. The minions do not take extra damage from anything but together have less health than the lunar shield if you weren't doing lunar damage to the lunar shield. If you were going to attack the minions anyways it would have been better to bring another brute force DPS with AOE and/or a grouper.

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-22 17:36

Thanks i can read too, I don't have units with a good synergy for that, as title says I tried many comps, nothing worked with MY units. If you got aoe nukes and bis supports good for you.

avarageusername2026-01-22 19:22

This is exactly what i dont like about genshin meta right now (and i believe hsr and zzz still do the same thing). It rewards owning characters more than building and playing them well.

Full-Minimum-9262026-01-23 00:35

And you can still brute force it with Mav and Skirk like every Stygian so far (although you'd need to learn combos this time).

Did a scuffed run with Neuv, Kokomi, Fischl and Zhongli for the crab. So I imagine that anything with enough hydro can deal with it.

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-23 01:08

Well yeah both meta dps from previous region with their premium team, it's not really something you find under rocks, also Mav needs Kazuha for grouping or other recent 5* supports.

Also the crab doesn't want just lots of hydro apply, the little crabs deal damage to him depending on how much they received, after they expire the pyro aura. So you need both hydro and good damage.

Full-Minimum-9262026-01-23 01:55

If you don't have Mav, Skirk, or any lunar dps, then why even worry about Fearless seeing you clearly don't care about meta at all? Also the 2nd boss isn't even that hard, overload teams work well too, even electro-charge budget teams are enough (you'll likely struggle, however).

I saw some C0 Arle teams clear the first boss too, but how that works is beyond me.

I'm aware about the crabs, and I thought it was implicit (it's Stygian after all, you won't be doing much in that 10s window alone). My point was more that I basically didn't use Fischl there and Kokomi just existed because I did some scuffed runs on mobile before I moved to my PC.

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-23 02:59

why even worry about Fearless

To feed reroll feathers to my Ayaka of course.

DemirPak2026-01-23 00:50

Seeing Esco have more damage than Ayaka is crazy.

Also for a second i didnt see Arle in that team and thought you were rawdogging C0 Main dps Yae for a sec

Dreadwyrm_Bahamut2026-01-23 01:00

I already said this in other comments, but I think the crab's bugged and it assigned the mechanic damage from small crabs to boss to the last character dealing them the final blow, that data in any other mode is usually Ayaka reigning supreme on total damage dealt and Esco with single strongest strike usually on the 217k average.

GolldenFalcon2026-01-23 01:12

Can never get enough feathers they're priceless 😩😩