Please don't switch up the difficulty in Co-op when doing stygian

I don't know why people keep doing this but I keep joining Co-op worlds on alt account For stygian to do my dailies only for the person hosting it to just randomly switch it from hard mode to menacing. these characters on my account are barely built. that's why I have to do my daily relic grinding for stygiant in Co-op as well as a majority of the time. most people end up dying it when the host does this. it's so annoying

I literally just joined to do my dailies and that's why I was doing hard mode. so why do people insist on switching the difficulties? just cuz you can't do menacing by yourself. does not mean you should force other people to go through that pain

You joined Co-op through the hard mode matching so you should not be switching the difficulty after everybody gets in

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puppetlunaria2026-01-23 01:24

They do it because there is no matchmaking for menacing and they hope some strong players have joined who can carry. Mihoyo should just add matchmaking for menacing too to avoid this

lunachappell2026-01-23 01:27

I think the thing that people need to do is simply just ask if everybody that is a part of the party is okay with doing menacing. That would be different because a lot of times they don't ask and then everybody ends up dying because none of us were prepared for this and a lot of times. If you're doing Co-op to do dailies you're not going to bring in your strongest characters. I also just don't find the harder modes of SO fun I do up to hard mode So that I am able to get the primos and being able to farm artifacts through it and I do agree with you. They should add match ing for the harder ones because of times like this

TheUltraGuy1012026-01-23 09:45

Yep, if menacing has a co-op mode I'm sure as hell gonna join that.

Lamora_Camorri2026-01-23 01:30

I think people are doing it because there isn’t any matchmaking for menacing difficulty, so if they want to clear it on that difficulty they have to switch it.

I think it’s just a bad system, since you pointed out all the reasons why it doesn’t work well.

lunachappell2026-01-23 01:33

But even so I feel like it's just polite to ask. Hey would you guys be okay with doing menacing instead of hard but most of the time they don't and what people aren't thinking about is a lot of times if people are doing this Co-op it means that their characters aren't very strong or they're going to need help clearing these things so their characters probably would not be strong enough for something like menacing mode

Lamora_Camorri2026-01-23 03:30

Yeah, I agree that asking would be better and more polite to make sure everyone’s prepared. It just feels like a strange decision on hoyo’s part not to let menacing matchmaking happen, since clearly it causes a lot of frustration from everyone involved when trying to coop

lunachappell2026-01-23 03:32

I think it's because they originally were intending menacing mode and harder to be like solo content for those that are really into the numbers and into meta even though I hate that word as well as like a way of testing your characters and your teams. That's why they didn't gatekeepe primos on those higher levels

Lamora_Camorri2026-01-23 03:45

Yeah, I guess it still just seems strange to me to still allow it then, just with extra steps. Seems like it should have been allowed with matchmaking or not at all, like I believe how the fearless level is.

EnvironmentalistAnt2026-01-23 05:42

Not saying your lobby was, but if you’ve been playing co op or mw then you would notice this server is very large and it’s common to run into people who don’t speak English.

lunachappell2026-01-23 05:44

The language isn't a problem for me. I have ways of translating. Even if you don't speak English, you can still ask. That's what I expected when I made my alt account on the EU server All I'm simply saying is you can respect other players time and simply ask if it is okay. It's not that hard

AkiraN192026-01-23 06:19

Not gonna lie. As much as I'm always for people being polite and I personally ask. At that point, if you don't speak English and aren't sure what languages the others speak, it is much easier to just start the menacing stage and see if people are down or not. If they aren't they can just leave? Much easier way of communicating than hoping other people understand you imo

Cyclophosphamide_2026-01-23 01:35

This annoys me so much especially when they don’t ask politely. I can clear menacing solo but I’m am very privileged I have a network of friends on Genshin who I can ask for help / have asked me for help in situations like this.

What I do now when people do this is I just leave. I matched for hard and hard only

lunachappell2026-01-23 01:37

I absolutely agree like I would understand if they had asked first if it was okay but most of the time they don't ask and then it just ends up being a waste of time because nobody's characters are strong enough for it and we all died as well as a majority of time. People just don't bring sustains when it comes to the higher levels so I normally end up being the sustain but like the account that I do this on is still fairly new so my characters are not very well built and it's just so frustrating like there are discords for people that want to do this if they're so desperate as well as I don't get the point of doing this just to get like a feather

DiorApplecat2026-01-23 01:50

On the contrary I need to do menacing in coop coz I can’t finish it myself. But can’t find anyone doing menacing coop, sadly

lunachappell2026-01-23 01:54

Then you can at least ask first before you do it. Cuz so many times people don't ask if everybody that's in the party is okay with doing menacing because there are a lot of times where it just ends up being a waste of time because everybody's characters aren't strong enough. There's a reason that people do co-op when it comes to SO Because their characters aren't strong enough to do it on their own as well as something that just makes me more frustrated with this is when it comes to those higher lvls And doing it in Co-op. Nobody ever brings a sustain and when I try to bring a sustain my characters aren't strong enough and then I get yelled at because everybody died

Historical_Twist99692026-01-23 02:35

You can quit once you see menacing or fearless. Another tips to the inviter is we see their profile first before start. Profiles of good coop are abyss 12-3 and at least one whale guy who have c6. If no whale joining, i just restart. I just play fearless

lunachappell2026-01-23 02:38

I load in very slowly so majority of the time I can't as well as I'm hoping a lot of times. If people are doing this that they have strong characters that can carry me as well as most of the time. I'm doing this just to get my dailies done before work. It feels like it's just a waste of time to do this in a harder level as well as I've asked before. Hey why are we doing it in menacing level and they're like oh everything will be okay so I trust them and then we end up all dying

Jaded-Philosophy37832026-01-23 02:43

I'd suggest not doing co-op for quick dailies

lunachappell2026-01-23 02:44

The thing is this account that I'm doing this on is still fairly new and my characters are still fairly weak. I can't do SO or most artifact domains without help

Jaded-Philosophy37832026-01-23 02:45

oh. Fair.

also do note that some people find communicating extremely difficult because their device is not suitable for typing

lunachappell2026-01-23 02:48

I completely understand that but like I said they could at least ask and just try cuz I'm on a very old tablet that lags constantly and I'm still able to type on there in at least ask even though it might take a bit

lunachappell2026-01-23 02:49

Not to mention I don't get the big deal about wanting to do the harder levels let alone do the what I'm talking about in my post because like you don't even get primos from it

Ryuunoru2026-01-23 07:43

Because you get other stuff from it. And who are you to decide those other rewards aren't worth it? It's not about you.

lunachappell2026-01-23 07:45

You literally just get a feather and A skin for weapons that don't even last longer than a patch. It's really not that much, especially if you're going to spend and waste people's time just to get those things

Ryuunoru2026-01-23 07:49

> You literally just get a feather and A skin for weapons that don't even last longer than a patch.

And some people value these items. Just because *you* don't, doesn't mean they have to change their desires. **It's not about you.**

>It's really not that much, especially if you're going to spend and waste people's time just to get those things

They're not wasting your time, you are. Such arrogance, believing others should adjust to your own desires. If you want something from others, ask them. Not the other way around.

lunachappell2026-01-23 07:51

Yes, they are wasting my time. They're wasting everybody's time because most of the time everybody ends up dying and there are other ways of getting people to do the higher levels. There are literally discord servers out there of people that are willing to help you. You can even just put it in your bio that you want help on SO But it's just respectful to ask if everybody wants to do menacing when you do Co-op on hard mode

Because I was just trying to get my dailies done before I go to work. I have like 20 minutes to do it before going to work but instead I had to spend half of that doing something that I did not sign up for even though I asked multiple times. Why are we doing menacing can we please do hard so I can do my dailies there was other people who were asking this guy the same thing but he just kept saying no. It's okay. Well we can do it when no we could not

Ryuunoru2026-01-23 07:58

> Yes, they are wasting my time.

You are wasting their time. **It's not about you.**

>They're wasting everybody's time because most of the time everybody ends up dying and there are other ways of getting people to do the higher levels.

They could have left. Still doesn't put the onus on the host to ask, they get to decide what level of SO they want to play. **It's not about you.**

>There are literally discord servers out there of people that are willing to help you.

Cool, then go there and ask for the help you want, instead of demanding others to do that. **It's not about you.**

>You can even just put it in your bio that you want help on SO

So do that instead of demanding it from others. **It's not about you.**

>But it's just respectful to ask if everybody wants to do menacing when you do Co-op on hard mode

It's respectful to ask as joiner when you see the host intends to do something else. The host decides. If you don't agree, leave. **It's not about you.**

>Because I was just trying to get my dailies done before I go to work. I have like 20 minutes to do it before going to work but instead I had to spend half of that doing something that I did not sign up for

Yes you did. You could have easily managed your dailies before going to work. You could also have chosen to do them after work. But no, you demand others adjust to your routine. In case it's not clear yet: **It's not about you.**

>Why are we doing menacing can we please do hard so I can do my dailies there was other people who were asking this guy the same thing but he just kept saying no.

Then there's your answer. You asked, they said no. They have no obligation to give you want you want and at that point there is no reason for them to ask you in turn either. Expecting them to still change is pure arrogance. **It's not about you.**

If you're truly so desperate for 5-star artifacts, do the effort of leveling up your AR to 45, instead of demanding everyone else to change their behaviors to suit you. **The world doesn't revolve around you. It's not about you.**

Edit: Blocking me doesn't change the fact that it's not about you. But by all means, stick your heads in the sand and pretend everyone else is the problem.

lunachappell2026-01-23 08:01

Goodbye, I'll be blocking you now I don't need to deal with you. You're not understanding where I'm coming from

yummieee2026-01-23 02:51

menacing content is MUCH easier with 2 people than 4 or even solo.

4 is awful. death is permanent, no off fielders.

Hotspur0002026-01-23 05:15

Depends on the team. If the players are smart and build the team properly (and play the characters as on-fielders properly), then it's fine.

I just did a 4 person co-op with randoms today on Menacing and once we got the right team configurations it was a cakewalk.

yummieee2026-01-23 15:41

must be nice! I'm rather used to instapicm mav and skirk in the same team xD

it's a shame team shields are rare cuz expensive. every 5* team shield is unlocked at c2.

Hotspur0002026-01-23 16:06

Yeah. I think Layla is the only good 4 star team shielder.

KailaniNeveah2026-01-23 03:10

Wait, what? We can co-op menacing mode?

lunachappell2026-01-23 03:12

You can if you have people in your world, they have to be actually in your world to do it. That's why people match on hard mode first so that the people join their world

KailaniNeveah2026-01-23 03:14

I see, that’s interesting. Thank you - I had no idea! Never bothered with anything past hard because there’s no primogems. Might be a fun challenge to do together with my boyfriend.

lunachappell2026-01-23 03:21

Np Just if you do do it in Co-op like I mentioned in my post. Please ask people first if they're okay with that. I also never saw the point of doing higher levels SO Because they don't give you primos either. So I don't really see the point of doing it in the first place

KailaniNeveah2026-01-23 03:24

I don’t do co-op with randos - but I shall keep your advice in mind if I ever do venture out. Thanks again!

Ryuunoru2026-01-23 08:01

Ask yourself.

Hotspur0002026-01-23 05:17

You match on hard, then the person whose world it is can switch to Menacing if they want to, and you still get the rewards. Apparently you can even put it up to Fearless, but you don't get any rewards for that (which seems stupid to me, but anyway).

DrKoala_2026-01-23 03:17

Honestly I didn’t know you could do menacing till like 20 mins ago lol. Someone joined my world and ask if I could help them with it. So I did. I would have helped others sooner if I knew.

Impured892026-01-23 03:23

I immediately say what I'm there for but still hell with hard even if they aren't doing menacing. Luckily 2nd group I joined had a whale and decent team so got menacing done pretty quickly. Hate the Lunar shilling that make impossible for a f2p geo main to do currently

LaceyLizard2026-01-23 03:45

We have to start dropping our server so people who want a better co op experience can find each other lmao

Hotspur0002026-01-23 05:14

But if you're just doing it for the artifacts, can't you do it by yourself on the easiest difficulty?

lunachappell2026-01-23 05:18

You're not guaranteed to get a gold piece if you do it at a lower level. That's basically the equivalent of doing an artifact domain before level 45 and my characters aren't strong enough to do most artifact domains that's why I look Forward to when we SO Because it's a lot easier, especially if I'm doing a domain that doesn't really have a lot of people that do it or is like an older relic set because this is my alt account And it's only a few months old so my characters aren't really built

Hotspur0002026-01-23 05:19

Ah, I see.

Kimoju2026-01-23 05:20

If you are hosting, then yeah I agree.

If you are joining, it's up to the host, what they choose goes. By all means you can ask to lower the difficulty, but not a lot of people will have time to bother with low difficulty runs. At that point, you can choose to either go with it or leave.

lunachappell2026-01-23 05:25

It would simply just be respectful to the other people's time if you simply ask before doing it cuz a lot of times people don't have strong enough characters. If they are doing co-op it's not that hard to simply just ask. Hey is it okay if we do menacing level and if somebody says no then take that and accept that cuz otherwise more times than not everybody ends up dying and it's just a waste of everybody's time. It also is just frustrating that a majority of the time when this happens nobody brings a sustain and when I try to bring a sustain we still end up dying cuz I get one shot because my characters are still very weak and that's why I'm doing this in the first place and then I get yelled at because we died. Sorry that I don't want to constantly be yelled at and blame for something that's not my fault

Kimoju2026-01-23 05:30

You got it the other way around. The responsability to ask is on the joiner, not the host. That's common game lobby etiquette. It's the exact same way for regular artefact domains, the host should get the priority on the character they pick. If you don't want to ask people lowering the difficulty just for you, you should be hosting.

lunachappell2026-01-23 05:32

Even when I ask hey why are we doing menacing mode? People just say oh it's going to be okay. It's not that hard and just load us in anyways And at least for regular artifact domains, those aren't going against bosses that are known to be extremely hard

As well as like I said, it's wasting everybody's time if everybody just dies including the host as well as you don't get to choose if you host or not. If you match, you just go into a world

Kimoju2026-01-23 05:37

Non of this is related to what I said. Yes, it's a waste of time, one that could have been prevented if you asked first and/or leave when they refuse/don't answer. Team comp is irrelevant. Build is irrelevant. Skill is irrelevant. if you are in queue that don't fit the mode you want to play in, leave. It's really that simple.

And also, you absolutely can choose to host. you just need to queue until you are. yes it's annoying, but it's possible. Blame the game, not the players.

lunachappell2026-01-23 05:43

I wish I could leave but a lot of times I can't because I load in extremely slow. Also this does have to do with what you are saying as well as a majority of the time. If somebody says oh everything will be okay. I have done this before. It makes me think. Oh they've cleared it before. Maybe they're just doing it to help others and that makes me think they're a whale so it should be okay and then me ends up dying

Also I just want to get my dailies done my tablet is very slow and if I did the thing you're telling me to do every single time that would be 5 minutes added to my time just to get my dailies done. What is your problem? Is it so wrong that I don't want to do menacing mode? I don't see the point of it in the first place, so why are people using the hard mode to try to get people to do menacing mode?

Kimoju2026-01-23 05:48

So if you've done and seen it before, whay are you even staying? You're just shooting yourself in the foot here. I'll be repeating myself for like probably the third time, but there is nothing wrong with not wanting to do fearless. There is everything wrong with staying when the host made it clear they are doing fearless. I'll say it again, just in case. IF THE HOST CHOOSE TO PLAY FEARLESS, LEAVE.

lunachappell2026-01-23 05:50

But most the time they don't make it clear. There have been multiple times where they literally switch to those harder modes when we just get in there all I'm simply asking is that people ask the entire party if everybody is okay with doing this because a lot of times we're not But clearly you're not understanding where I'm coming from, so we're going to end this here

Kimoju2026-01-23 05:56

And once again you're making it clear that you have not read a single word of what I said. The host is the one to choose. If you ask and they don't answer, it means no. Because if it didn't they would have either answered you, or changed the difficulty. Since they did none of that, you KNOW they are going for fearless. It's your cue to leave. Please just take 10 seconds and read. It's that easy. It will save you (and most importantly everyone else) a ton of time.

Ryuunoru2026-01-23 07:45

>something that's not my fault

This one is your fault. You are not at a high level yet, but expect others to conform to you. While the primary reason others do SO in coop mode is to succeed at the more difficult stages, as they have already build their characters sufficiently to the point of clearing hard mode on their own.

If you're not yet AR45, don't expect others to adapt to you just to give you easier access to 5* artifacts. *You're* the one who has to ask for hard mode in coop when you're not the host, not the other players.

Cyclophosphamide_2026-01-23 13:52

>You’re the one who has to ask for hard mode when you’re not the host

It’s strange youre trying to use host dominance to defend doing doing a harder difficulty when the initial assumption of everyone joining is a lower one.

Think of it this way. Your friend invites you to come over for potluck. But after you enter their flat with a dish, they tell you to start polishing all their silverware with them since you’re already here.

Now if this was someone I’m close to, I would entertain the thought, but imagine doing this bait-and-switch to a *stranger*, and expecting the *stranger* to have to *ask not do extra work* for you!

I’m not against players trying menacing in coop. But I think the least you could do is to give them a heads up politely.

shskatchegg2026-01-23 05:52

I actually enjoy being kidnapped into menacing when I was just trying to do my daily farming but yeah I agree, the least they should do is ask. It usually takes longer than hard runs and you don't know if people will have the time.

lunachappell2026-01-23 05:57

That's something I find very important cuz a lot of times I'm doing my dailies like right before work. I don't have hours to try to do this over and over again. I have like 20 minutes max most of the time to get my dailies done

bmxcanuck2026-01-23 08:55

All the more reason for them to add a designated matchmaking mode for menacing.

lunachappell2026-01-23 09:00

Absolutely agree. I've been putting it in the survey. Sadly it seems like not enough people are asking for it

Key-Due2026-01-23 11:31

I'm actually grateful that people do it because its the only way I can clear stygian. But yeah I can agree that its annoying when people do it without asking. You can just leave next time and join another world.

HenkuitGenk2026-01-23 20:17

I do switch to menacing sometimes, because:

1. 90% of EU server doesn't seem to speak English
2. When I join someone they immediately start hard difficulty and, most of the time, kick everyone out after completing hard difficulty
3. Asking people for help with SO by joining their world usually doesn't work too, because most of the time they don't have the time to help with something as long as SO (which I completely understand)

So the best way is usually to switch to menacing and hope people are willing to help. An option to match for menacing would be greatly appreciated

NobodyNo82026-01-23 23:23

People seem to think they can be carried once matchmade people join their world.

Genshin's co-op does not work like that.... At all.

Important-Tadpole6712026-01-26 02:32

If you are on EU server I can help clearing it hmu

lunachappell2026-01-26 02:37

I don't find anything past hard fun or worth the time doing cuz all you're getting is like a weapon skin that will be gone in a patch And a feather that you can get in other ways or simply by just doing relics farming for like a week through it

Important-Tadpole6712026-01-26 02:41

Definitely understand since I’m doing for the same reasons. Let me know if you want some help for the hard clears

Brilliant_Hair_10682026-01-27 01:41

Hard mode is extremely easy to clear alone. I'm not saying it's right not to ask, but most are joining Co-op because they'd like to clear a higher difficulty and there is no menacing or fearless co-op.

lunachappell2026-01-27 02:06

Not in an account that is only a few months old who barely has any good artifacts on it and all I'm simply saying is you can at least ask first before doing that cuz a lot of people are just doing it to get their dailies done and and it's annoying that people keep doing this and taking up people's time when we all just end up dying