Damnnnnnnn Hoyo

I was so excited for Lunar Crystallize when it was announced! All these new rouge teams came to mind, like Ayato Crystallize, or Ninguang Crystallize, and to find out that both Aino AND Illuga doesn’t help to proc this new Geo reaction…. I feel so cheated. I don’t HATE Columbina or Zibai, I think both of them are super cool, it just sucks that Lunar Crystallize is only limited to two Nod Krai 5 stars. Anyone else feel the same way, and if not, what makes it right for you?

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DraconPern2026-01-23 03:25

Works w/ Zhongli.

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 03:26

What team, tf? I had Aino right next to Noelle and I couldn’t make Lunar Crystallize happen?

DraconPern2026-01-23 04:17

Well.. Aino isn't a lunar character, of course it isn't going to work with her.... Only characters that have been around since the dragons will have a chance to be a lunar character.

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 04:21

Im not disagreeing with lore purposes, but I mean… it’s a damn video game first, and the Lunar reactions were introduced in Nod Krai, home of the Moon Goddesses. You’re telling me that the characters who grew up in Nod Krai, or are from Nod Krai, don’t have kuhvahki just lingering around like the force? I think that makes more sense in rationalizing that all Nod Krai units would have access to Lunar enabling.

SecretSpectre112026-01-23 03:33

Stop lying

Ecchify2026-01-23 03:37

i mean they're technically not wrong but like...might as well say they're wrong haha

Neospartan_1172026-01-23 04:01

I think you might be misunderstanding OP.

What they're saying is that you either need Columbina or Zibai for Lunar-Crystallize to happen. Without them you only get Regular Crystallized.

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 04:33

No, that’s what I thought they were saying. I’m of the standpoint that it’s frustrating they are the only units to be able enable it at all. I appreciate the concern tho!

Gravitas09212026-01-23 03:27

no yeah lunar reactions are super shitty in their implementation. theres no reason as to why 4stars dont enable them exept for the obvious monetary incentive

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 03:28

That’s what that feels like for me too. Supposedly @DraconPern has made the reaction work with Zhongli, but I doubt it was with Aino 😂

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 03:29

To add to the thread, I felt like Lunar reactions was the perfect way of enabling other units to be splashed around outside of meta teams

Gravitas09212026-01-23 03:45

I _think_ columbina is the only character that enables all three, so having her should let you play a lunar teams without other nodkrai characters. But then youd run intonthe lunar phase mechanics that require 2 nodkrai units to properly use bina's kit and lunar artifact sets. At least a bina/illuga core lets u use lunar crystalize without zhibai. Sucks if you dont want to pull her.

TheOneBifi2026-01-27 04:02

It made sense with Aino since she was the hydro unit, and jahoda is anemo so it doesn't exist. Illuga was done dirty

fat_mothra2026-01-23 03:44

Yeah I will defend Hoyo when necessary but this ain't it, 4 stars should enable lunar reactions too, specially Aino since she's hydro and free so she would guarantee \*everyone\* has access to at least 1 lunar team, and it's not like people aren't going to pull Columbina because they have Aino

After Natlan I was convinced we were going to at least get Aino and Traveler being able to trigger lunar reactions but we didn't even get those

At least Herra and Fatui can be done without lunar shill, but Knuckle Duckle and *Dog* suck ass

InfinityAppreciator2026-01-23 04:15

Dog is very easy if you have mavuika, she eats him with some grouping

Itchy-Locksmith-25902026-01-27 13:15

knuckle duckle is ez as long as you have electro charge team. it's one of the less shilled boss at nod krai. I'm doing him with neuvi. but clorinde also pass easy. probably ei/xinqiu too. i mean basically every electro charged reaction as long as u can trigger them consistently for a good period

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 03:48

Yeah, it’s very frustrating. Gotta stop taking care of the whales, pros, and content creators for a minute. I picked Ineffa this time around because I wanted a stronger Flins team, and I was hoping I could LC out of Aino to enable a bunch of different Geo teams, or use Illuga to help me make use of a couple Hydro units I have laying around.

DeadenCicle2026-01-23 03:58

Sadly all Lunar reactions have that restriction. At least Lunar Crystallize is great with just Columbina as a Lunar character.

TheOneBifi2026-01-27 04:01

This is not really true, bloom has Lauma and charged has Ineffa. Both amazing support/off-field units that help other on-fielders of the corresponding types. And on top of that Columbina also enables it.

For crystalize, it's only Zibai and she wants to be on-field so if you wanted another on-fielder you can only use Columbina.

DcQ62026-01-27 22:10

Linea is suppose to fill the lunar crystalize sub dps role

Longjumping-Idea-402026-01-28 13:33

I believe they’re talking about how the only characters that enable those reactions are 5 star characters

MaeveOathrender2026-01-23 03:59

What is a rouge team? Like they're wearing makeup?

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 04:02

😂😂😂 I apologize for the confusion, it’s a term I learned from MasterDuel and YGO that usually refers to very bizarre deck builds or very bad archetypes. “Rouge” in Genshin to me means the same thing, where units like Yun Jin, Ninguang. Ayato, or Xinyan, to name a few, are considered bad. That extends to team builds as well, at least in my own line of thinking.

MaeveOathrender2026-01-23 04:03

Oh, that's 'rogue' actually. 'Rouge' (pronounced 'ruuzh') is French for 'red' and it refers to a kind of makeup.

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 04:07

OHHHH thank you so much for the correction, I don’t know where my brain was on that one

Lunar-Apple772026-01-23 04:01

The thing is, the lunar reactions themselves aren't very good.

Lunar Crystalize is a bit better, but only because normal crystallize does no dmg. It doesn't do a huge amount of dmg on its own. A lot of it is just Columbina being a good sub DPS.

Lunar Bloom is just Bloom + Lauma/Nefer/Columbina's kits. It does nothing without those 3 characters.

Lunar Charge does about the same dmg as normal Electro charge. What does higher dmg is Ineffa/Flins/Bina's personal dmg that counts as Lunar Charge dmg.

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Lunar reactions are just powercreep with extra steps and a bit more *visual flair*.

They could have just as easily made Flins and Ineffa work with normal Electro charge and just have them do more dmg when it's triggered like Kinich and Emilie do with burning.

Same for Lauma and Nefer with Bloom and Zibai with Hydro crystallize.

Basically nothing would change for them gameplay wise and they could have still locked the artifacts the same way by saying they had to be in Nascent or Acendent gleam (one or two Lunar characters).

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I do think it would have been nice to let the 4 stars or Traveler trigger the Lunar reactions anyway though, even if it was bad.

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 04:06

Yeah, you’re right. I thought the same when I saw pre-existing reactions like the aforementioned get the Lunar treatment. But idk, Lunar Crystallize is the only one that made me go “WHOA this could change some things.” Personally, I hope when we go on to Scheznaya, we move on from regional mechanics, or find a happy middle ground like Fontaine’s Ousia/Pneuma system.

fourrier012026-01-23 19:02

Natlan Nightsoul and Nod-Krai lunar reactions mechanics are most likely caused by skipable Pneuma/Ousia mechanics in Fontaine. Everyone just don't bother triggering Pneuma/ Ousia trigger as if they don't exist.

The best rebalancing period was during 3.x when they introduced Dendro. It expands Dendro reactions beyond burning. Catalyze literally fix any electro character's lack of power and hydro get to taste an intermediary reaction through Dendro core. The only bad thing was they never really make burning strong. They are just annoying gimmick like lunar charged/bloom trigger these days.

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 20:30

I wasn’t around for 3.0, but I can see why you say that based on the units released in that time frame. Personally, I think there’s a way to mesh mechanics well enough to make teams carry even MORE synergy while still having interesting lore-related reactions and mechanics. Looking more forward to unit buffs more and more often these days

LonelyPermit23062026-01-26 20:39

Ousia Pneuma is completely useless, the real Fontaine add is HP fluctuation gameplay + bond of life (which are inherently anti synergistic). Tbh probably the worst designed region mechanically

Itchy-Locksmith-25902026-01-27 13:12

they were useful you could get rid of the dancer shield or disable some mobs

Spartan_117_YJR2026-01-25 05:59

Wait so lunar charge doesn't stack on top of electro it's just a replacement

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Spartan_117_YJR2026-01-25 07:00

Yeah I realised with Columbina and ineffa not much dmg changes even with zhongli and geo traveller.

At least I can play microwave again, sigh.

SeneFate2026-01-23 04:12

By logic of it, shouldn’t Traveller being the one enable Lunar reaction is more suitable than Aino. He/she can have lunar power gift by Columbina and free for all player.

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 04:14

Right?! Idk, I’m still wondering if Hoyo will just make Lunar Traveler a better Hydro unit like everyone else. Would be a really cool concept, and would carry on the recent trend with him being a good unit.

Artistic_Cable62182026-01-23 10:59

He/She don't has lunar power in lore too actually

Itchy-Locksmith-25902026-01-27 13:15

he can use and control kuuvaki

constellationwebbed2026-01-23 04:27

this is lunar reactions in general and I'm not going to defend it but criticize it with you. they've been getting too greedy with their paywalls recently.

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 04:35

Right??? This feels more like a paywall excuse more than a balancing excuse. Just depends on how available they make Columbina in my eyes. If she lands on the Standard banner, I have no complaints to make anymore.

InternalCode12102026-01-23 05:25

They don't even give us lunar traveler omg it's all limited 5 star

cyncitie172026-01-23 07:53

im playing lunar crystallize rn with ningguang :]

ningguang beidou columbina ineffa

i get the best ship ever + lunar charge (i like columbina's lunar charge effects better so it works out great, especially since ning isnt def scaling)

Owl_aredope2026-01-23 08:03

That’s so fucking dope. 10/10 for you, sir 🙌🏼

Ryuunoru2026-01-23 08:00

Shit like this is why I'll never invest in the lunar reaction nonsense.

Zonnebloempje2026-01-24 00:40

I think it is telling that only 5* characters can trigger lunar reactions. Not a good thing. Because they are making it a huge thing.

esmelusina2026-01-25 01:21

I think we’ll get a 5-star off field for lunar crystallize later.

I broke down on got Columbina so I could experience the mechanics.

A bit of regret though, given that the reactions themselves aren’t very good without NK 5-stars.

I did clear fearless hellcat-dog-thing with a Sucrose, Ineffa, Columbina, Albedo team. I tried and failed with lots of teams, but Albedo was by far the strongest.

It’s funny because Bineffa is supposed to be the wheelchair team, but in this case my Albedo carried them in their own mechanic… (my Bineffa is rather under built, given I just got them).

Shortstep_2026-01-25 21:12

I mean nightsoul was literally only a natlan-character mechanic, for lunar reactions you can atleast pull a character so the rest of the team could proc them.

SnooPredictions37962026-01-26 09:47

Yeah in natlan at least night soul was on 4 stars as well.
Problem is that it seems that majority is fine woth that, otherwise people would have raged at hoyo and they would have changed that.

Owl_aredope2026-01-26 09:49

That’s why Nightsoul doesn’t bother me. It’s nice that the mechanic is across the board, not pick and choose.

scrubbymac2026-01-28 05:17

I’m really starting to hate how much Hoyo gates their own damn content behind premium teams. I mean, I get they want to make money and that’s the game model and all, but they’re literally the Toy Story meme bc every new continent/nation they just toss away the last patch cycle of characters like they never mattered. I’m doing good to grab all the characters so far but that doesn’t mean I’m happy with it bc now it’s a pattern. A painfully obvious one that they aren’t even trying to hide at this point. I can even imagine how IT and Abyss are for ppl who aren’t lucky to grab one or two of the 5 stars.