Don't you find it curious how the Tsaritsa's plan is synchronised with the Traveler's journey?

Isn't it curious how the Tsaritsa had 500 long years to start collecting the Gnoses yet only sent la Signora take the Anemo Gnosis when the Traveller woke up?

How curious is it too that that the Tsaritsa picks up the next Gnosis depending on where the Traveller goes

It's like she doesn't move unless the Traveller moves, as if her plan doesn't advance off-screen. Following her pattern, we could have stayed in Sumeru for 5 years canonically, yet the Tsaritsa wouldn't have sent Arlecchino to take the Hydro Gnosis until we decided to move to Fontaine. Of course she could have waited all that, where's the hurry? HP is asleep and 5 years is nothing compared to the 500 years she seemingly waited for the Traveller to wake up before taking the Anemo Gnosis

All of this can be a coincidence ONLY IF Sandrone wasn't tracking our every move through Katheryne's eyes and reporting everything to the Tsaritsa so that she could then plan her next move accordingly.

Commentaires

Shahadem2026-01-23 03:42

It's not.

This is called plot convenience.

The whole thing is made up by a writer.

IndyhbfLion2026-01-23 03:44

Interesting perspective! Thanks for sharing.

japanese_artist2026-01-23 03:47

Yet the world building still keeps on developing in the background even when the Traveller isn't in a specific place. Just like how Mavuika was fighting the Abyss before the Traveller reached Natlan and didn't wait for him to arrive to fight her war

Clasica2026-01-23 03:43

EVERYTHING happens to coincide with the Traveler journey

- ZL decides to retire the year the Traveler went there

- Fontaine prophecy kick into effect when the Traveler arrive

- So is Natlan war

It is the protagonist's power.

Seraph1992026-01-23 03:50

It is the outside variable's power

japanese_artist2026-01-23 03:50

Wars and prophecies all over Teyvat have been happening way before Aether and Lumine even landed in Teyvat, except for the Tsaritsa, that's the exception

GettingWokeUp2026-01-23 04:51

The Tsaritsa has led a war against a rebellion, killing the grand dukes involved. There was also a major war with the previous archon. Both wars were fights for land, power, and dominance.

aebinafan2026-01-23 03:55

No fontaine prophecy has kicked in multiple times. Remuria is the beginning example of how fontaine prophecy is repeating again and again.

Ryuunoru2026-01-23 07:24

Sample size: 1

Not the strongest pattern tbh. For all we know Remuria had nothing to do with a repeating prophecy and it was an entirely different thing altogether.

Edit: Further detailing the Remuria era flooding doesn't increase the sample size or prove that it's the same prophecy running on repeat.

GrumpySatan2026-01-23 07:31

There is actually 3 (Unified, Remuria, Modern).

The whole reason Remuria was obsessed with turning people into Stone Golems, studying the world theories and Fortuna was because a previous civilization in Fontaine also got flooded for pissing off Celestia. It's mentioned in the Remuria history book.

Remus pulled an angel out of the ruins of that civilization which is where he learned a bunch of this. (Angel becomes the big harp thing we dealt with in the WQ). The info eventually gets passed down to Rene which is where he learned about descenders and the world formula.

The floods are for different reasons, but each civilization has faced one.

TheSynthian2026-01-23 10:00

Remuria didn’t got flooded as with primordial water right? That was the thing they tried to avoid. It’s more like after the civilization’s collapse water just came inside. I think it was already under water.

MaleQueef2026-01-23 14:38

It didn’t matter how they were flooded and what they were flooded with. Their civilization is just fated to flood and sink

aebinafan2026-01-23 07:40

The whole world quest of remuria quite literally screams in your ear about remus making a new fate system to free people from the fate of dissolving alongwith putting people's soul in stone golems so they won't be dissolved by the flood.

Also when you dive in fontaine you can see so many major ruins under the water as well the massive completely built bridges under the sea. Those ruins show that floods have happened multiple times in history on both small and large scale.
Ruins near tower of narzissenkruz.
Ruins behind the fontaine city.
Domains in escoffer story quests all show the previous cities that have drowned multiple times.

I just mentioned remuria because it was the largest city before court of Fontaine and more prosperous.

rloco2026-01-23 17:02

No, in fact, according to the stories, it had already happened several times, only this time it wasn't like the previous ones since it was caused by the narwhal, this not being a normal one but one where the narwhal would end up eating everyone in Fontaine for their blood, that was Egeria's original sin, that in the future the narwhal would appear and seek to eat everyone and Egeria had condemned everyone in Fontaine.

Gregamonster2026-01-23 03:59

Mostly the traveler goes wherever they hear about trouble.

WashedWolf42422026-01-23 04:04

>It is the protagonist's power.

More commonly referred to as contrived plot and bad writing.

buzzthetrout2026-01-23 05:06

What do you mean significant events have to happen for players to partake in the main story quests?!

RoboChrist2026-01-23 05:23

That's why I'm a Godwin main. I fucked up and camped in the woods for 5 years because I'm too dumb to admit I slept in. That's my kind or MC.

IS_Mythix2026-01-23 05:31

So u think going to liyue when zhongli already retired, or going to natlan when the war was already done with, would be a better experience for the players?

Ze_AwEsOmE_Hobo2026-01-23 05:42

Man, I hate seeing people refer to the most interesting story path(s) as bad writing.

It's fun to think about in a Cinema Sins/Pitch Meeting way, but it would be boring as hell if we got to Sumeru and Nahida was just chilling there because Cyno, Alhaitham, and co. figured stuff out and beat Scaramouche while no one was looking.

A writer's job and the quality of writing doesn't have as much to do with being "realistic" or probable as the internet would have you believe.

Ryuunoru2026-01-23 07:25

Or not.

Cody8782026-01-23 07:58

You're saying Gollum just *happened* to drop the ring that day. And Bilbo just *happened* to find it while blind in the dark? Tolkien, you fucking hack.

chicks38542026-01-23 08:58

This is a pretty good analogy. Gollum probably dropped the ring multiple times in the past, but he was able to recover it because Bilbo wasn't there to pick it up. Similarly catalysts for major change have always been present, it's just that the Traveler is there to trigger or stimulate it. After all we are making large impacts on this world and dark forces are always tracking our whereabouts, like how orcs pursued Thorin's company.

telegetoutmyway2026-01-23 04:57

Yeah, I have a principal for writing stories i call the "probable protagonist" where there should be only one highly unprobablistic event that drives the reason the protagonist is the selected perspective, everything else that is highly unprobablistic should have direct causation linked to the primary driving event.

I think thats partly why multiple protagonist stories work well is they break this up without having to think about it too much. You already get multiple perspectives, so the story becomes and interlaced chain of events worth following, not just "everything happened to the mc cause we needed it to".

LandLovingFish2026-01-23 07:29

Yep.

I kind of like how canonically in Genshin technically if you skip an event it's just treated like you just weren't there. So technically i guess there are other protagonists, we just don't see them all....

And to be fair, Inazuma and Sumeru were technically because we showed up and did things because someone asked us to help get things moving. Inazuma would have stopped Ei eventually maybe but we made it a much faster process. Nahida might have eventually gotten free and dealt with Wanderer but i doubt it would have gone the same without Traveller. And Nod-Krai was kind of possible because we got nosy.

Alex24222026-01-23 14:50

The story would be far better if Hoyo didn't insist on making Traveler the protagonist in every quest.

leo_sousav2026-01-23 18:05

I kinda disagree with that statement when it comes to Sumeru and Fontaine (haven’t started NK so I can’t speak on it), yes we were key players to the plot but we also had a numerous cast actually taking initiative and planning without us being the center of it. In Fontaine Neuvi, Navia and Folcalores/Furina were the actual central pieces, with us being more on the support role alongside the House of the Heart, Clorinde and Wriothesley.
Natlan just went the complete opposite direction and made us into this hero that functioned as the last hope.

PossiblyBonta2026-01-23 05:11

They also just decided to visit Mondstadt for the festival only to be on time for Durin's attempted takeover.

kzzzzzzzzzz282026-01-23 06:18

Natlan war has been taking place for centuries, btw. Even before Mavuika 500 years ago.

The Traveler just happened to reach near its conclusion,

esmelusina2026-01-23 06:52

I don’t think it’s coincidence. Zhongli triggering his plan as soon as a descender is present to witness it seems pretty key to it all.

luihgi2026-01-23 10:34

what plan?

Lurker-kun2026-01-23 14:28

[To retire](https://i.imgur.com/bIaHRR0.jpeg)

LandLovingFish2026-01-23 07:27

We're trying to be Nick but actually we're Gatsby

Zeta_Horologii2026-01-23 07:39

Or alternative version: Traveler is a crisis trigger. Of it's not Traveler, various crises would happen in much more separated moments of time. So not Tsaяitsa, Abyss, or everyone else are threat to Teyvat, but exactly our lovely Traverer :)

Nozarashi782026-01-23 09:08

Notice how Mizuki conveniently left Natlan the moment she catched drift that the Traveler was coming, only to return after the crisis. She knew what was about to happen

Talithea2026-01-23 07:46

What if the Traveler is a reality anchor and certain things cannot happen without an out-of-Irmisnul observer?

Shahadem2026-01-23 09:11

No.

It is just the fact that it is a fictional story and not real life.

RagnarokAeon2026-01-23 10:09

OR, hear me out, the traveler is being guided specifically to deal with these problems as they spring up.

Between the Hexenzirkel, Paimon, and Venti there's enough suspicious connections to massively powerful beings to support that right at the very beginning of our journey.

Vaiolette-Westover2026-01-23 10:25

? What? Do you literally not do world quests, ever, or do you think the stuff that happened in the Archon quest are the only major events that every happened in Teyvat?

vkbest19822026-01-23 11:53

ZL plan was a deal with Tsaritsa. Raiden arc was triggered by Fatui. Nahida/Scara triggered by Fatui. Nod Krai by Dottore (Fatui). Really only Natlan and Fontaine have the traveller effect, the other nations arcs Fatui were implied.

Alex24222026-01-23 15:11

The term is "plot convenience".

SadAdoreHell2026-01-23 15:29

It's all according to keikaku

rloco2026-01-23 16:59

It wouldn't be surprising if all of this was planned 6,000 years ago by Astaroth. That's why he's been moving pieces, little by little, saving some and letting others die, to achieve the right outcome for when the twins arrive.

They are the key to ending the world that Teyvat has in store; the Abyss knows it.

Tsarina Nona's plans to obtain the Gnosis have backfired; rather, she has failed in most of them, and it was the Traveler's intervention that allowed him to acquire the Gnosis, as if Celestia expected him to, as if that were his destiny.

floricel_1122026-01-23 18:38

The "human god" protect in Sumeru meant to overthrow Nahida just so HAPPENS to reach its final stages the year the traveler visits

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-23 03:52

Istaroth: laughing in the background

Seriously though, no matter how ridiculous it sounds, it will all start connecting with each other at the end of the journey. The fact about keeping tabs on traveller is not too impossible.

Legitimate_Bat_64902026-01-23 04:41

"Father said to throw them into conflicts. I wonder why."

*500 millions years ago*

"PHANESgpt, is tomato a fruit or a vegetable?"

afflictushydrus2026-01-23 05:09

Well... something something Venti says hi nice to meet you AGAIN something something... Very not suspicious indeed...

Greenxboy2026-01-23 03:54

The coincidences are more linked to the windows of opportunity.

For Mondstatd, Venti had been dormant until recently when the Traveler arrived. In Liyue, La Signora had actually entered a contract with Morax for the Gnosis before we even arrived. Same thing in Inazuma with La Signora and Scaramouche playing both side of the war most likely to weaken Ei and steal the Gnosis. The events in Sumeru were completely unrelated to the Tsaritsa's plan. And once again in Fontaine, Arlechino never planned to acquire the Gnosis, she legitimately wanted to save her homeland and got it from Neuvillet who didn't want it. And once more in Natlan, the Gnosis was only secondary for Capitano who was there to help in the war against the Abyss.

The Tsaritsa's plan isn't following the Traveler, it's the Traveler that keep coincidently stumbling on the Fatui's plans.

japanese_artist2026-01-23 04:04

My theory isn't as solid as I thought then. My idea was that when the Tsaritsa knew that an actual Descender landed in Teyvat, she thought her chance against the divine would drastically improve if said Descender woke up, reclaimed his lost power then joined her in her war. My logic behind is that the sibling who woke up first was really close to Pierro who must have heard a lot about the Traveller who then in turn told everything about us to the Tsaritsa which piqued her interest and thought it'd be wiser to wait for us to fully wake up before starting her war plan

LandLovingFish2026-01-23 07:33

Still plaisible she planned some things like "hey wanderer maybe try going to Sumeru while it's chaotic"

Zonnebloempje2026-01-23 08:39

Tsaritsa doesn't know who Wanderer is...

Coisax_universais2026-01-23 09:02

Almost no one does btw

ItsLoudB2026-01-23 10:09

Now, but she did before

Somewanwan2026-01-23 10:42

Honestly it's very possible that Tsaritsa learned the route of previous descender and we are mostly tracing it backwards. But it's not mere interest, Archons aren't descender's friends, everywhere we go we meddle with their plans as much as Fatui, if not more. Tsaritsa is merely using it for her plan.

afflictushydrus2026-01-23 05:08

Eh? Wasn't Sumeru about Dottore scheming together with Azar to create a False-God (aka Scara)? Coincidentally Nahida did wake up and beat Scara but that provided an opening for Dottore to claim both the Electro and Dendro Gnosis. In an alternate universe I'm sure the idea was probably to use Scara (and the Electro Gnosis) to beat the Dendro Gnosis out of Nahida or something.

AlexanderByrde2026-01-23 05:41

Dottore just engages in a lot of extracurricular activities. The Tsaritsa gives the harbingers a lot of leeway to just do whatever they want.

LandLovingFish2026-01-23 07:34

See: Tartar goes on bbq trips with his family

Remarkable_Guest28062026-01-23 05:54

Nahida woke since 500years lol. She just didn't come out because of less trusty people. She came because she sensed something wrong with akasha. So her being irminsul coded, she found out traveler and expected maybe she can break samsara.

Yuukiko_2026-01-23 05:58

The events in Sumeru only happened because Yae traded the gnosis to Scaramouche in exchange for us in Inazuma

itisyadad2026-01-23 09:49

Actually now that you say it, when did venti wake up again?
Because I remember Varka and other people saying they befriended barbatos a good while before and that wouldn't really be possible if he was asleep for like 50 years.

Greenxboy2026-01-23 13:45

I don't think it has been confirmed for how long Venti had returned but I'm guessing it must have happened maximum a few years before the start of the game, somewhere between the manga and the game. My personal theory on that one is that the witches would know about Barbatos' return and Varka is on very good term with them, and the Fatui were only able to confirm Venti's true identity when they stole the harp.

Howrus2026-01-23 10:44

> Arlechino never planned to acquire the Gnosis,

Yeah, she didn't even plan to kill Furina in dark alley to get a Gnosis, yes? And her children tried to get closer to the most important Fontainian machine just because of curiosity, and not in search of the most powerful object in a country.

Seraph1992026-01-23 03:59

They have pretty much been smacking us in the face with the reason why, and got extremely obvious with it in the recent archon quest.

The Tsaritsa is trying to do something that would otherwise be impossible under the existing rules or "fate" of Teyvat. She cannot defy the established order under the Heavenly Principles or hope to overthrow them. This is baked into the core of Genshin Impact's lore and they have been building up the role "fate" plays in the story from the very beginning. So people saying this is just plot convenience don't seem to get it. This is not merely plot convenience, but something they deeply enmeshed in the plot itself. Traveler's presence is *necessary* for all of these events to kick off, because Traveler allows for individuals and groups operating under fate's laws to reach unexpected or otherwise impossible outcomes.

Hopefully that sounds familiar.

The recent archon quest revolved around the good guys and Dottore both trying to defy fate for their own reasons. The good guys wanted to bring Columbina back despite the laws of time, space, life, and death preventing her from resurrecting as long as the moon was kept outside of the fake sky. Dottore wanted to supplant the heavenly principles completely and establish himself as the new god of the world order.

They made it really obvious that the good guys needed Traveler for the world formula to work, their influence made what was otherwise an impossible outcome the reality. Dottore *heavily* hinted that he needed the Traveler to join him and endorse Dottore's new world order of cruelty and complete freedom when experimenting on others. He seemed downright desperate to get Traveler to support him, and Dottore doesn't care about *anyone* except for how useful they are as tools to achieve his goals. Which was to overthrow the HP and install himself as God over all of Teyvat.

I am extremely confident that these recent events and lore drops are all blatantly building up the Tsaritsa's plan as one that defies Teyvat's fate and thus relies on an "outside variable", the Traveler, to succeed. She will have to convince us to join her and support her vision for a new world order, and succeed where Dottore failed. Knowing this (she seemed to recruit Dottore and Sandrone on board specifically to research this exact topic), her plans were all literally in stasis until a descender like the Traveler came to Teyvat while also being non-aggressive enough to reason with. Since the Abyss Twin has been active for a while and had such deep ties to Kaenri'ah, there is a good chance that the Tsaritsa learned about them and the Traveler's history and expected the Traveler to show up eventually to look for their sibling, and planned the entire time around that eventuality.

Yuukiko_2026-01-23 06:00

Except that not all outworlders can become Descenders. If the Abyss sibling isn't considered a Descender then why would she think that we are one before we even meet anyone? Unless we really spent 500 years fishing until we found Paimon

Yotsubrain2026-01-23 08:48

Teyvat is an advanced simulation, the AI pre-rendered all initial variables including the sibling, descenders are those not included in the initial variables, there we go, case closed, now back to pulling waifu

Chrotonix2026-01-23 14:15

I've always assumed that since this is the 4th samsara or reset in simple terms, maybe she became part of the reset hence she became a variable or an expected outcome. Originally our sibling was a descender but after the reset she became a variable, a part of teyvat.

TL;DR She was a descender but after the reset she became a variable.

EmperSo2026-01-23 04:04

Did you mean "Don't you find it curious how devs prepare the base to make Tsaritsa another generic harem waifu?"

Waeleto2026-01-23 04:10

I find that very unlikely, Maybe she'll kinda be like Phrolova from wuthering waves ?

Ads10132026-01-23 04:12

I think it’s very intentional. Probably to due with the Descender warping the world around them

darktooth692026-01-23 04:15

your theory is actually in Wuthering waves lol

ErgoSha62026-01-23 04:21

both that and the fact that she just laid a hand on a guy with a third descender's name, probably

Zohgho2026-01-23 04:23

I've talked about this before, and it follows the idea that the Tsaritsa's plan requires a descender. Teyvat is in its 4th samsara, and Teyvat's fate should repeat itself unless a "variable" capable of changing fate intervenes. That's what a descender is; someone with the will to change the world. Since this is the 4th samsara, it means the Tsaritsa's plan is fated to fail. The only way she can succeed is if a descender changes things first. For her to succeed, it is required that we change the fate of the gnoses first. That's why the harbingers always obtain the gnoses after we have already interacted with its owner. Assuming she knows this, she's been using us as a descender to intentionally make her plans possible.

RunImmediate60622026-01-23 10:22

Given how The Fatui and The Tsaritsa operates. They're looking more and more like a reflection of Khaenri'ah. Remember. The Vinster King went mad after he got his hands on a Descender, and given that no Harbinger have been dispatched to get Mavuika's Gnosis. Makes it kinda seem she's waiting for The Traveller since they're the final puzzle piece she needs.

So. Here's my crackpot theory.
\- The Tsaritsa has been influenced by The Abyss the same way The Sinners and The Vinster King was.
\- The Tsaritsa are using The Fatui to weaken Teyvat to make it less resistant when The Abyss launches this Samsara's last invasion.
\- Yes, she has gotten every Gnosis (except Mavuika's). But The Traveller have been changing the outcomes of those events, making them turn out more positive compared to what they would've been if they haven't showed up. Outright strenghtening Teyvat instead of weakening it.

Mywifeforhire662026-01-23 04:50

Something about the Traveler being an observer and if they aren't there then thing won't be moving forward.

Neospartan_1172026-01-23 04:52

Ever since Simulanka I've been pretty convinced that Teyvat's story is a book, much like Durin's. And much like Durin's story, the Traveler's role is to witness the story, or following the book analogy, Traveler is Teyvat's reader.

And so Teyvat's story, the Tsaritsa's plan, only advances when Traveler advances. Not because everyone plans their movements around Traveler, but because the story may only happen when the reader turns the page.

kaitsukama2026-01-23 08:28

This is my first time reading this theory and it makes so much sense considering Durin's quest and all these dialogues (I forgot who or if it's a YouTube theory video) about how a story can exist as a story only if a reader exists and until then, it's just a draft in the writer's hand

emberesment2026-01-23 04:52

Everything coincides with the traveler's journey. Which is just really bad writing honestly.

Dvalin started going berserk as soon as the traveler arrived in mond

Zhongli just happened to dramatically retire by putting his nation up against a god the moment the traveler came to liyue.

Inazuma is just bad all around. I mean i like raiden she's my main for like 2 years but inazuma AQ was not it.

Sumeru dottore's plans and scaramouche's gundam just happened to be in the final phase when the traveler got there?

A prophecy from ancient times in fontaine is only now getting fulfilled when the traveler arrived

Abyss problem reached its peak when the traveler arrived in natlan. Just in time when he got his name for the power up.

Now nod krai, rerir, who had been trying to recuperate slowly for years now made huge recovery when the traveler arrived. Columbina who had been dying since birth was saved because the traveler arrived just in time.

Traveler, the god of time because his timing is so immaculate it's actually funny.

Major_Economy_5712026-01-23 04:52

Because we are likely in the end of the fourth samsara.

>The Narzissenkreuz Ordo believes that people continuously refine themselves through samsara cycles. These include Hyperborea, Natlantea, Remuria, and the first half of the fourth samsara (Khraun-Arya), which we are presently experiencing.

The note was written \~500 years ago hence "the first half ... we are presently experiencing".

Prior-Meal-13872026-01-23 05:01

Honestly man, keeping the theory and lore aside, if it was not so then we wouldn't be able to experience the game and he won't be the main character. So pretty much that yeah😂

mynamejeffo2026-01-23 05:14

I think it’s more happen stance, traveller being in the right place at the right time. There might be more to why the tsaritsa started moving now tho as you point out she had 500 years.

Costyn172026-01-23 05:16

I think you're overthinking it.

The Tsaritsa initially sent Signora on a vision collecting journey and the Traveler happened to go to her next destination. Not that big of a coincidence, Liyue was right there next to Mondstadt and since Inazuma is in the middle of nowhere but closest to Liyue, it just made sense to take that out of the way for both of them.

After Signora dies in Inazuma, multiple Harbingers are sent in multiple places. We know from an event that Capitano was already in Natlan before we got to Sumeru/Fontaine (I don't remember if the event was in 2.x or 3.x) and Arlecchino was operating in Fontaine since forever, she was going back and forth, and even before the Traveler step foot in Fontaine she already tried to get the gnosis, but she couldn't find it.

Prisma_Lane2026-01-23 05:20

More like isn't it strange every single nation/world ending event just decided to conveniently happen and is about to explode when the Traveller woke up and is actually around in that particular region?

Imagine Fontaine just gets flooded when the Traveller is still in Inazuma, or Natlan's abyss attacks escalated when the Traveller was still in Mondstadt, hell, imagine any major WQ happening while the Traveller isn't there to stop it.

Teyvat is genuinely a shitty place to live because ignoring the natural monsters that spawn out of nowhere, dead gods haunting places, and literal super mafia, every Tuesday is just another world ending threat that would've wiped out Teyvat if it wasn't because of the Traveller. Better pray to the region's God that the Traveller doesn't suddenly croak or get sealed for whatever reason.

DiffDiffDiff32026-01-23 05:22

But hey, that’s just a theory

Notosk2026-01-23 05:22

Main character things happen to the main character?! 🤯

powra2026-01-23 05:26

What if she's low key like an alternate lumine and this is her way of reuniting with aether, since itll be the the last element for him to regain his original power? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

Environmental-Belt492026-01-23 05:49

the traveler is the bringer of har.

kidanokun2026-01-23 06:17

- Tsaritsa being evil
- Aether confronted Tsaritsa
- Aether found out Tsaritsa is just misunderstood and sad
- Tsarita fell in love with Aether

If this didn't happened, hoyo must be acting sus

Own_Construction_9652026-01-23 07:56

And they lived happily ever after.

SignificanceIcy78212026-01-23 11:29

with kids too

Confident_River_35832026-01-23 06:20

It’s wild how the Tsaritsa’s moves feel so perfectly timed, like she’s always one step ahead of us. Makes the whole story feel so much more intricate and calculated. She’s not just reacting, she’s orchestrating everything.

Serious-Flamingo-9482026-01-23 06:51

She's been the archon for around 500 years but we don't know when she formed the gnosis plan. At first Signora and Capitano where the ones sent to retrograde the gnosis. So she starts in Mondstadt, goes to Liyue and then Inazuma. Dottore and Scaramouche on their own get the Inazuma and Sumeru ones (they used the Inazuma one for the experiment and since they were there, tried to take the dendro one). Puerre wasn't even in Fontaine for the gnosis but for the prophecy and Capitano had been in Natlan for a while but only tried to take the gnosis by force at that moment out of his own call cause he was desperate and getting help from Ororon.

There's a lot of conveniences but they create coincidences with the order and not the other way around.

Interesting_Set_70802026-01-23 06:56

What I don't buy is how all the Zhongli's retirement, Fontaine's stuff, Natlan's invasion just so happen to occur while we were there.

MonDking2026-01-23 07:06

This is not curious. This is the most expected thing to happen in a fantasy story.

windyskiez2026-01-23 07:08

That makes me curious, if Sandrone is tracking us through Katheryne and reporting everything to the Tsaritsa, then what's gonna happen >!now that she's dead?!<

>!Doesn't that mean that the Tsaritsa would lose contact with Sandrone, making it harder for her to plan her next move against us?!<

LandLovingFish2026-01-23 07:27

The Tsaritsa is our twin fr fr

They did say they had been too vague about the whole journey thing. And they knew where we were heading.

Popular-Bid2026-01-23 07:35

Mondstadt - Wouldn't be surprised if the Abyss Twin already knew that the Traveler has escaped their prison, and thus started their plan to control Dvalin in an effort to push them to journey all over Teyvat.

Liyue - Easily the most random of shit.

Inazuma - While the Vision Hunt Decree kind of started suspiciously, the rest DID happen because both the Fatui and Ayaka knew about what the Traveler has done in other nations

Sumeru - It was implied that the plan has already started years before the current story, but it was expediated by the fact that Scaramouche gain the Elector Gnosis (from Yae in exchange for allowing the Traveler to leave)

Fontaine - So if you just did the Archon Quest it would sound the fact that the flood coincided with the Traveler arriving to be contrived, but the Narzissenkreuz WQ showed that Rene calculated that said disaster will arrive on Fontaine at around this time (as shown in the Doomsday Clock in the Institute).

Natlan - The entire plot of Natlan happened just as planned by Mavuika and the Six Heroes during the Cataclysm. The only change that the Traveler really did is accompanying Mavuika and saving her. Otherwise, it was implied that Mavuika will give up her life to defeat Gosythoth OR to end the Ode of Ressurection (and give Natlan a new future without war).

Nod-Krai - The plot of the region happened because the Tsaritsa has finished with what she wanted with Columbina (implied to be either an experiment or procedure that consumed most of her powers), and the latter wanting to leave the Fatui. Dottore is also just waiting in the sidelines, and hastened his plan by manipulating Rerir.

The biggest coincidence here honestly is the Traveler waking up after around 500 years from the Cataclysm, at roughly the same time as the flooding that Rene predicted. Wouldn't be surprised if either Venti or Istaroth has something to do with this.

Far_Young_26662026-01-23 07:36

That's what I don't like in similar trope stories. The world outside the main character practically doesn't exist until the main character gets there. There's too much of a lucky coincidence trope in the story, which doesn't make the story more believable

I wish there were dialogues like "Hey, while you've been away in Fountaine, we had to fight a ruin hunters invasion and half of our city wall crumbled under the constant pressure, but in the end we managed to destroy every single one of them." Nah, if there's ANY event in the world, it happens only when the Traveler is around, and that feels cheap

skyslippers2026-01-23 08:01

After all, it is only You who turns the pages of this story...

clfr65152026-01-23 08:05

My suspicion is that it's something like this.

Someone or some force deliberately had the Traveler wake up at this precise time. This is basically the point where various different factors would begin coming to a head. The Tsaritsa's plan to obtain the Gnoses, the Abyss Order stepping up their game, the Abyssal activity in Natlan reaching its apex. None of this stuff was specifically related to the Traveler, but I think the reason the Traveler woke up at this moment was explicitly in response to all of this. I think it's pretty clear that the Sibling had no idea the Traveler prior to their arrival in Stormterror's Lair, so this definitely wasn't something they were anticipating at all.

On the other hand, Zhongli deciding to choose this specific year to start his retirement plan might have actually been in response to the Traveler's arrival. I have no real evidence, but I suspect that he actually knew about the Traveler's existence beforehand and chose to wait for this precise moment.

After both the Stormterror and Osial incidents, I believe that that's when various parties started factoring Traveler into their plans in earnest.

IngwiePhoenix2026-01-23 08:22

I am genuenly excited for v7. And I hope v8 is the "true" endgame, plot wise.

But meeting the Tsaritza is basically one of THE plot highlights I am most curious, interested about and looking forward to. There's now literal years of buildup for this - from when Venti was K.O.'d for his gnosis all the way to working with The Knava to resolve the issues in Fontaine and watching the Captain challenge Death in Natlan - and let alone all the absolute shenanigans in Nod-krai. And of course everything in Sumeru, Liyue and such.

This'll be big. I am very interested to learn about her real plans, motivations and ambitions. Will she challenge the heavenly principals? What is the Fatuis actual goal? All these things.

I also hope to see the other Archos show up in the plot again in this context or after. I feel like there is still some milage in each archon for a little more plot alongside the traveler.

But first comes the post-plot versions, then the summer and then...we shall see. :3

Drayachyika2026-01-23 08:42

What if the Traveler of their sibling is the one who the Tsaritsa is in love with 🤔

MaJuV2026-01-23 09:24

Why?

\*Immitates Ryan George voice\* So the story can happen.

Why, though?

"Hey, get AAAAAALLL the way off my back on that one."

InukoJon2026-01-23 09:34

Me when I find out what storytelling is. We are the main character. Ofc everything happens with us around.

TheSynthian2026-01-23 10:18

Well basically that’s how any story work. But even if we forget about that and think solely based on in universe way,

Attempt to take Venti’s gnosis was happening way before anyone even knew who we were. They literally mention this like first 10 mins to the game, how Fatui are interfering with Dvalin and stuff.

We went to Liyue like immediately after Mondstadt because Venti told us we don’t have enough time. So then again Zhongli and Tsartisa don’t have enough time to make a deal and plan everything after traveler started the journey.

And Inazuma is pretty obvious it’s an ongoing thing we got in the middle.

Sumeru is a development because of our actions in Inazuma, gnosis and harbingers. So it’s pretty obvious it will match with our journey. But Nahida’s troubles was there long before we did anything.

Fontaine was doing this act for 500 years, we acted as a catalyst. And Tsaristsa literally didn’t have anything to do with it, she and Arlecchino didn’t even know where the gnosis was until everything was over.

Natlan is where our protagonist POV is obvious, because Mavuika’s plan aligned perfectly with our arrival. And Capitano and Tsaritsa got involved at the same time because of Capitano’s knowledge about Mavuika’s plan. Nothing to with our arrival.

So to summarize, Mondstadt plan was happening before we did anything, we just gave them an opening. Liyue was happening at the same time based on a contract.

Inazuma was also an ongoing thing before we went there, and we were the reason they got to execute the plan and get the gnosis.

Sumeru plan happened because of our actions and results of the Inazuma. Fontaine they just got it handed over by luck by Neuvillette. Natlan it’s still with Mavuika, Capitano came there based on Mavuika’s plan which started 500 years ago, we just happened to arrive at the same time because of the plot.

Lagnabbit2026-01-23 11:10

Clearly everyone just wiretapped the Natlan Archon's office, and knew that the fucking MOMENT that Mavuika showed up it would be the prophesied time :D

Particular_Stop_33322026-01-23 11:22

This guy is just starting to learn how gacha games work

yap43922026-01-23 11:22

1. Voyager started his journey on Teyvat -> Fell in love with First Angel -> War of Funerary Flames coincidentally started short after

2. Third descender started his journey on Teyvat -> Started his quest for the hand of Snow Maiden -> Got carved in seven pieces, which probably started Archon War

3. Traveler started his journey on Teyvat -> ??? -> ???

>!0. First descender started his journey on Teyvat -> ??? -> Became Heavenly Principles !<

Rmx442026-01-23 11:51

I just open reddit and saw your post I seriously thought the main genshin account post a pic of the tsaritsa and I started to cursed some words lol

LazyMiquella2026-01-23 13:40

Its just for the game to get interest

Zestyclose-Wall-34012026-01-23 14:01

Maybe celestial nails won't fall where the traveler is. she might wait till he's in areas to act incase celestia wakes up so her troops don't get obliterated along with other nations.

lazykryptonian2026-01-23 16:34

"All along... it's only ever been about us."

rloco2026-01-23 16:53

Not the other way around. The Traveler's journey synchronized with Sarina's plans. She already had those plans, but the Traveler's journey ended up granting her the Gnosis, but she also lost all political power and influence over the Fatui, gradually creating a huge division among them.

I think that without realizing it, she has been heading towards her inevitable event for some time now, where all the Traveler's interventions are changing her fate and that of Teyvat.

Orio_n2026-01-23 17:34

yeah its called storywriting, would be pretty boring if we woke up and nothing happened, no conflict, no plot lines, lol?

Lorellya2026-01-23 18:52

THAT IS CALLED:

"Gameplay videogame logic"

Don't look too much into it, don't even really account it into lore readings.

RENEGUE2dPixel2026-01-24 07:44

"I have high expectations for the Tsaritsa's appearance.

ekamin0022026-01-24 10:29

She needs that variable power