Considering how important name is in Genshin, there has to be something that make Shades dont like to be mentioned by name and how no one said PO's real name and call them by titles instead.
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tyjz73_2026-01-23 13:16
I always imagined it was just like in *Percy Jackson*, where the names themselves hold power and would attract unwanted attention from their owners. From reading "Hymns of the Far North" it seems like the old Frostmoon Scions were geniunley terrified of the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades.
The only one who doesn't care is Ronova since she's been wallowing in self pity ever since she got reprimanded for setting up the rules of Natlan.
vglisten2026-01-23 13:36
she got censured for commanding Yohel to rebuild Natlan's ley lines in the form of the night kingdom. The fact that she lent powers to Xbl is, at least to ours' and Ronova's knowledge, unknown to Heavenly Principles.
Vaiolette-Westover2026-01-23 18:01
I just love how Ronova is just such a mood from everything we've seen of her. She's between going through it to completely being over it at this point.
PH4N70M_Z0N32026-01-23 18:39
Ronova has that "Just let me retire peacefully" energy.
Gold has that "God I hate this job but I'm quite good at so might as well enjoy it".
And Istaroth has that "I'm too tired to give a more than one fuck about this job"
jpnapz2026-01-23 19:37
And Asmoday is the one who went AWOL and started working for another boss
HorribleDat2026-01-23 23:09
Nah, Gold has that "There's no rules against this, Nabe!" while Naberius is trying her best to prevent another Bakunawa incident.
masternieva6662026-01-27 14:08
I think Gold is the only one enjoying her job in creating life and Ronova is the overwork shade who clean up Golds mess just like in the trailer. While Istaroth just love to tag along.
SomethingAndAnything2026-01-23 18:39
A Percy Jackson mention in the Genshin community? The good ol days start now!
TOH-Fan152026-01-24 06:47
I wonder how much more popularity the PJO franchise got ever since the (really good) TV adaptation. I at least managed to get my mom and little sister hooked. My mom finished all five books, and my sister finished book 2.
muniledddfan2026-01-23 19:27
Names do in fact hold power. If I remember correctly Xiao's former master enslaved him by using his name and Zhongli helped him get a new name
All_For_You_Kream2026-01-23 20:08
Percy Jackson mentioned
Such peak books
TOH-Fan152026-01-24 06:51
Same with the Kane Chronicles, which are very underrated despite also being written by Rick Riordan. The whole “names have power” aspect gets exponentially more focus and complex in those books.
Apart_Routine27932026-01-24 02:00
As Columbina Hyposelenia showcasing it very clear
countrpt2026-01-24 02:18
And also Durin, actually, with the mages having to sometimes talk in metaphor so it didn't get too close to Forbidden Knowledge. It's definitely leading somewhere.
rekage992026-01-23 13:18
Maybe when you say their names they can hear it, like it gets their attention. Imagine you have millions of people calling for you all the time all at once. It’d be maddening.
nelflyn2026-01-23 13:24
Pretty sure there was a movie with Jim Carrey about that.
rekage992026-01-23 14:22
With the same result. Carrey turns prayers into emails, god made an AI that nukes people for looking into no-no magic.
MorganTaoVT2026-01-23 14:23
You mean Bruce Almighty?
Dziadzios2026-01-23 23:13
God tier movie.
Karretch2026-01-24 03:41
Literally
Creative_Pie_12062026-01-23 16:11
Xiao is like that
KrimsonKurse2026-01-25 20:43
And considering what they can do, I'm pretty sure overwhelming them with constant pings in their ears will lead to Istaroth cutting you off the timeline or Ronova just deleting you or naberius (and rhinedottr) causing fungal growths in your throat so you can never speak again...
imbusthul2026-01-23 14:09
I wonder if the Angels are like the Jinn and the reason the First Angel is so in love with the Voyager is because she knows her name. I say this since the Jinn are a creation of an Angel.
MartenBroadcloak192026-01-23 23:37
I know Nicole's name, does that mean she loves me? 🥺👉👈
Artistic_Cable62182026-01-24 09:51
Well, we don't know if it is her real name
StevesEvilTwin22026-01-23 15:40
>no one said PO's real name
Because it's "Paimon" lol
Commander4132026-01-23 23:29
It's still unclear whether she's actually the Primordial One or if she's some kind of heir, de-powered form, or if it's a Nahida situation. Her circlet does give away that she's PO's something though
AgeAfter2026-01-23 15:45
I assume taking their name is like someone pinging them on Discord
Commander4132026-01-23 23:19
Ronova is hard of hearing. She's not going deaf or anything, she just can't hear her sisters over the blaring noise of millions of Discord notifications overlapping at all times
No-Tonight31322026-01-23 16:35
Honestly I am wondering what name devs would give to The Heavenly principles because after having like 50 different titles you gotta have a name that really stands out .
One thing in this game that has been consistent from the start is that every god related to celestia has a Ars goetia demon name -> Paimon , Barbatos ,Morax ..... Haborym , Naberius... Asmoday .
If every GOD big or small has a demon name just by being related to The Heavenly Principles so it's only Natural they too have a demon name .
Lucifer maybe or Maybe they are just Paimon ? IDK
poolman7822026-01-23 16:37
isnt it phanes? i think it was mentioned in the book before sun and moon
No-Tonight31322026-01-23 16:44
it could be their name or just be another title we dont know yet . The story implies we don't know their name so it's likely something that hasn't been given away that early in the story .
though even if they do have a different name it's still very likely they have a demon name because demon name themselves are used more like titles of god .( EI - beelzebul , zhongli/rex lapis - morax )
StevesEvilTwin22026-01-24 00:14
Phanes (the name of a Greek god from the Orphic cult) is the name that Ekanomiyans call the PO, it's not their real name seeing as it's not from the Ars Goetia.
The Frostmoon Scions call the PO "Pitkamoonen" (the name of a Finnish god) which in the Chinese script is butchered to sound more like "Paimon" than it should, if it was accurately transcribed from the original Finnish.
They all but confirmed that "Paimon" is the PO's Ars Goetia demon name.
Letwen2026-01-23 16:47
And then it's just "Kevin"
No-Tonight31322026-01-23 18:19
possible
crest_of_the_lord2026-01-23 19:35
K.E.V.I.N
Kosmic Engine for Vorld Initialisation Nexus.
masternieva6662026-01-27 14:10
Gonna be funny if heavenly principle looks like Otto Apocalypse and his sig weapon is a cube.
HyperRobbo12026-01-23 17:45
Maybe it'll be Yaldabaoth given the Gnostic influence
No-Tonight31322026-01-23 18:19
honestly i don't think so after the new artifact calling them the " lord of hosts "
Mtebalanazy2026-01-23 19:14
I kinda want yaldabaoth to replace greek Phanes’s serpent
Like instead of a snake coiled around Phanes, it’s yaladabaoth, it would be funny if Phanse just soo happened to have the apex of star beats as his pet,
Vaiolette-Westover2026-01-23 18:04
I think Traveler is the Morningstar aka Lucifer.
No-Tonight31322026-01-23 18:21
well who knows
Better-Movie-77362026-01-24 16:30
Heavenly Principals Is implied to be the Morning Star with the new artifact set Aubade of Morningstar And Moon
>"And So, they chose Order. Or, more accurately , made space to accommodate it."
>"That was the age when Three Moons shared governance with Morning Star."
Talking how the allowed rule of great Ruler of Firmament
BiancoBlanc2026-01-23 19:06
Ke🅱️in
Iffem2026-01-23 22:01
HIM.
bluedragjet2026-01-23 17:42
Didn't Ronova stop caring after the night kingdom creation
Mtebalanazy2026-01-23 19:16
I have a theory that they straight up don’t have a name in the first place, or their name was taken from them way back when, so now they just go by titles and unlike columbina, they’re not close enough to anyone for those people to give them a name
rathosalpha2026-01-23 20:11
Having someones name is said to mean having power over them
esmelusina2026-01-23 20:28
All demon names are uniquely applied by the PO.
If we imagine the world formula as a byproduct of how Nibelung set up the world initially. Each node on the tree has a unique name or identifier that may correspond to people, objects, events, systems, etc.
PO’s demon names are a hacked layer on top of Nibelung’s. >!That’s why Sandrone was yapping about the 4 laid atop the 3– Rene deduced PO’s world formula and Alain deduced Nibelung, but they both are actually active at once, so Sandrone rationalized the two into a unified representation.!<
So we can now clearly deduce that anything with a demon name is the mark of PO’s meddling.
“Paimon is Paimon”— _it’s very interesting that our emergency food is speaking to us…_
Given that allegories obfuscate information in a way that is resistant to Irminsul tampering. It’s very likely that names are used to search/index information for deletion or modification.
Demon names would especially stick out like a sore thumb.
Top-Idea-17862026-01-23 22:35
Considering that "Before sun and moon" is a forbidden book, perhaps what makes it forbidden is the name Phanes.
We have other books that mention the war of funerary flame and the heavenly principles, but none of those ever got labeled as forbidden knowledge.
Cloudbyte_Pony2026-01-24 03:11
It's interesting that even the >!Moon Goddesses!<, which are the highest rank entities that directly met PO when he came to Teyvat don't refer to him by name, but by a title, so even them probably never knew it.
Better-Movie-77362026-01-24 16:15
Neither his direct Creations refer to him by name, just by title
Shades and Angels also use just titles
expecteonoumica2026-01-24 04:52
does anyone have this each image in better resolution?
Isa-Lune_2026-01-27 02:33
Well, I think it would be just like we say in my religion. Saying someone's name in vain will eventually cause them to not actually show up when you need them, as it could just be another pointless call... So the ones who knows their names don't say it constantly because they might need help but if they did say their names frequently they would not receive the help
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The only one who doesn't care is Ronova since she's been wallowing in self pity ever since she got reprimanded for setting up the rules of Natlan.
Gold has that "God I hate this job but I'm quite good at so might as well enjoy it".
And Istaroth has that "I'm too tired to give a more than one fuck about this job"
Such peak books
Because it's "Paimon" lol
One thing in this game that has been consistent from the start is that every god related to celestia has a Ars goetia demon name -> Paimon , Barbatos ,Morax ..... Haborym , Naberius... Asmoday .
If every GOD big or small has a demon name just by being related to The Heavenly Principles so it's only Natural they too have a demon name .
Lucifer maybe or Maybe they are just Paimon ? IDK
though even if they do have a different name it's still very likely they have a demon name because demon name themselves are used more like titles of god .( EI - beelzebul , zhongli/rex lapis - morax )
The Frostmoon Scions call the PO "Pitkamoonen" (the name of a Finnish god) which in the Chinese script is butchered to sound more like "Paimon" than it should, if it was accurately transcribed from the original Finnish.
They all but confirmed that "Paimon" is the PO's Ars Goetia demon name.
Kosmic Engine for Vorld Initialisation Nexus.
Like instead of a snake coiled around Phanes, it’s yaladabaoth, it would be funny if Phanse just soo happened to have the apex of star beats as his pet,
>"And So, they chose Order. Or, more accurately , made space to accommodate it."
>"That was the age when Three Moons shared governance with Morning Star."
Talking how the allowed rule of great Ruler of Firmament
If we imagine the world formula as a byproduct of how Nibelung set up the world initially. Each node on the tree has a unique name or identifier that may correspond to people, objects, events, systems, etc.
PO’s demon names are a hacked layer on top of Nibelung’s. >!That’s why Sandrone was yapping about the 4 laid atop the 3– Rene deduced PO’s world formula and Alain deduced Nibelung, but they both are actually active at once, so Sandrone rationalized the two into a unified representation.!<
So we can now clearly deduce that anything with a demon name is the mark of PO’s meddling.
“Paimon is Paimon”— _it’s very interesting that our emergency food is speaking to us…_
Given that allegories obfuscate information in a way that is resistant to Irminsul tampering. It’s very likely that names are used to search/index information for deletion or modification.
Demon names would especially stick out like a sore thumb.
We have other books that mention the war of funerary flame and the heavenly principles, but none of those ever got labeled as forbidden knowledge.
Shades and Angels also use just titles