Do i have skill issue?

Ive been playing genshin for 5 long years ever since klees banner first came out and ive only 9 starred spiral abyss ONCE. The rest have been arnd 8 stars. Ive been pulling meta dpses (hutao c1 on her release and rerun, raiden, neuvillette, mavuika etc) and meta supports ( xilonen, nahida c2, furina c1, yelan and kazuha). Ive watched spiral abyss guides, character building guides and i still struggle with spiral abyss. While i do pull for non meta characters the fact that i got all the other meta characters in their prime but has yet to consistently 9 star spiral abyss is quite concerning.

Everyone is out their breezing through it, while im stuck in this ditch.🫠 Cld anyone else relate?

EDIT: sorry i meant 9 star floor 12 for all the spiral abyss mentions. The lower floors are fine

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Frozenmagicaster2026-01-25 06:16

yes

Empty-Branch-26332026-01-25 06:18

Yes, you should atleast bare minimum reach 19-27 with those

hehshmwwkwk2026-01-25 06:23

Sorry i had an error, i meant 9 star floor 12. the rest are no problem for me😅😅

emilybrownheart2026-01-25 06:18

Either a skill issue or your builds are bad

alberich212026-01-25 06:19

No 36* with meta characters is prolly skill issue yeah. Are your artifacts optimized?

OwnRepresentative9162026-01-25 06:19

You need proper artifacts

hehshmwwkwk2026-01-25 06:21

all of my dpses have pretty good crit ratios. [https://akasha.cv/profile/815843610](https://akasha.cv/profile/815843610) u can see my builds here. Some of my weapons and artifacts have been switched around for different characters that need it tho

EdyMaster2026-01-25 06:32

Pretty average builds, just the basics. What worries me most is that your characters are stuck at level 80 with level 8 talents. Why not at least level 80/90 and level 10 talents?

hehshmwwkwk2026-01-25 06:44

Its based on my understanding that its not a must to lvl characters beyond 80 unless they do transformative rxns. Which is why i lvled both nahida and raiden(hyperbloom proc) to lvl 90. exceptions being benette for is dmg boost and characters that i like the most (zhongli). I might say im a bit of an hoarder so i dont like to use my crowns haha.... But beyong that lvling to 90 seems like a waste if resources to me

MaeveOathrender2026-01-25 06:54

They didn't say level 90, they said 80/90, as opposed to your current 80/80. The last ascension gives a big chunk of relevant stats as well as access to the final talent levels. Pretty much any character you rely on for damage should be there at *least.*

hehshmwwkwk2026-01-25 07:19

my apologies, I didnt read it properly. But does it really make that much of a difference? 🤔

MaeveOathrender2026-01-25 07:40

Yes, characters get a chunk of their ascension stat every time they level up. Your Yae Miko, for instance, gets about 5% crit rate, which is a good couple of artifact substats. As well as 500 base HP and 15 base ATK, which translate into a fair bit more total. *And* you get talent level 9 (even if you don't crown them to 10), which is approx 3% extra damage per level. So it's a whole bunch of little pieces that add up to some pretty significant gains.

More to the point, it's just free stuff you're leaving on the table. You could spend weeks farming artifacts looking for 5% more crit rate, or you could just get it for, what, a couple day's worth of resin guaranteed? That's how you make characters strong in this game, you make sure they've got all the upgrades you can control before you go chasing the ones you can't.

hehshmwwkwk2026-01-25 08:06

Thats a interesting take i havent seen much guide makers talk abt thanks! Ill definitely try ascending some of my characters

MaeveOathrender2026-01-25 08:10

I think most guides just assume everyone is doing it because it makes obvious sense to do. It's one of those things the community harps on and on about - for good reason.

OmniOnly2026-01-25 19:16

It's right in your face when you level up. guides talk about ascension stats. and base but it's on the leveling character page not on individual characters.

Dramatic-Confusion132026-01-25 06:41

Your crit rate on many characters is very low.

Its fine for sets that give extra crit rate but for every one else you miss 50% of all crits. That makes the 200 CD useless.

Get at least 70 CR and try to keep a 1:2 ratio (with buffs). 75/150 will be the same CV as 50/200 but way more consistent.

Other than that it may be because of your team building or rotations. For melt for example rotations are very important or your elemental auras will be wrong.

hehshmwwkwk2026-01-25 07:20

my mavuika is on vape. I did a quick gameplay of chamber 1 floor 12 here [https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact/comments/1qmbap7/continuation\_of\_my\_previous\_post/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1qmbap7/continuation_of_my_previous_post/)

and yeah some of my older characters like hutao are quite starved for crit but ive havent been using her lately

Dramatic-Confusion132026-01-25 07:39

Neither Mavuika nor Durin are vaping. Its furina. Watch the aura on the enemy its pyro. So you loose a lot of dmg there.

Neuvi has a passive that buffs your dmg if you trigger different hydro reactions. Other hydro character that's worth using with him are furina as her buff is strong enough. Columbina (Maybe hexerei buff Mona but im not sure about that). If you have no other nord krai character aino should be your best option still i think.

But ttds on Succrose would only help if you switch from her to ineffa.

I'm not a pro myself but those are some obvious thing i noticed.

hehshmwwkwk2026-01-25 08:06

oh thanks for identifying the mavuika part! Im not sure who else i can use with her then. with the succose i definitely forget to switch back to ineffa before i do aino, since im tryna get ineffas burst up so ill take note of that

Dramatic-Confusion132026-01-25 08:12

Try Bennett or Iansan

neuvvv2026-01-25 06:24

1st flr shill neuvy (but i used natlan prem), 2nd flr shill lunar

magnidwarf19002026-01-25 06:24

Yes

Sirlatin962026-01-25 06:26

5 simple things to check.

1. Talents leveled?

2. Weapons leveled?

3. Artifacts leveled?*

4. Supports leveled?

5. Know your rotation?

Just double check everything, man. Im like you, i started playing a few days after genshin came out and until recently never leveled anyone to 90 or even remembered that talents were even a thing. I jad my talents for characters i used all the time at like 4, 5 and 6.

Abyss these days has a lot of "do this specific thing or it will be harder for you". So learning mechanics can helb a lot.

*Artifacts should also have the correct substats for corresponding characters. Like EM for Nahida and things like that

BandicootFar41262026-01-25 13:57

It's not on you specifically but I don't get why players don't level the talents (unless they are broke) it's the first thing to do after levelling their level, I mean all skill / attack multiplicators depend on that, the difference is huge. And it's not RNG so you can prefarm and get a 9-9-9 character worth your spent resin..

Sirlatin962026-01-25 15:07

I was never a gamer, im still not. So even back in 1.1 when the game first released, everything was really complicated for me.

"What do you mean i have to level 4 different things just to get my character to be usable?!"

The game was just too much for simple ol' me. I was just there for vibes and a good time. I could kill everything in the overworld and clear most domains without issue (yes it took me like 1 minute or more)

I tried abyss one time and couldn't clear it. Instead of looking at my charscters and wondering if something was wrong, i just thought abyss was for endgame sweats and whales. Had nothing to do with me.

BandicootFar41262026-01-25 15:17

Oh I see so it's more a "veteran noob" thing \^\^

(I heard that many veterans did absolutely everything wrong with their characters when they were newbies in 1.0 and the online ressources were scarce)

Sirlatin962026-01-25 15:21

You know whats funny? Before HuTao came out, i had Ningguan as my main DPS. I was so proud of her. She was so cool and did TONS of damage. Around 1k per rock. 2k if i crit! It was awesome!! Plus she did AOE if you had her constellation!

I used to look at so many yt videos of charachters dealing like 10k+ damage (it was a lot back then) and thinking to myself "My girl Ning can do that too... i just need to burst with her and hope all her rocks hit one opponent"

But one day i saw a video of someone saying that Ninguan was actually secretly goated! And i was like "YES! THEY GET IT!" And i saw the video... their Ningguan was doing like 4-6k per rock, their burst was doing like 30-50k. I was stunned. Their Ning couldn't be much better than mine. Mine was C6 at the time.

It was hard to accept. Like looking at a version of yourself you could be if you just locked tf in. When i went to go check my Ning, i checked her talent levels and saw they were at something like 5-3-4. I felt like i had done something sinful. Like raising a child with artistic talent into a mathematician.

So i learned. But even now, my Xiangling who used to be my main before Ning still has talents at 7-7-7.

AEsylumProductions2026-01-25 06:28

If you've been buying Welkin throughout that time, yes you have skill issue.

thisiskyle772026-01-25 06:29

Maybe show us your abyss run and characters build. Easier to tell if it is skill or build issue.

hehshmwwkwk2026-01-25 07:18

I cant attach a vid so i made another post showing it! [https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact/comments/1qmbap7/continuation\_of\_my\_previous\_post/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1qmbap7/continuation_of_my_previous_post/)

algunarubia2026-01-25 06:48

To be honest? Yeah, it's probably a skill issue.

I am usually too lazy to 9 star floor 12, because I'm only willing to run it once or twice if I think I picked the wrong party. Almost always, the difference between 6 stars and 9 stars is gameplay rather than character builds. Are you grouping enemies correctly? Are you making sure you're maximizing your damage in the "boss is weak" window? Are you rotating your supports correctly to give your DPS the most buffs for the most time? Are you breaking elemental shields as efficiently as possible? Are you an idiot who gets disoriented easily and wastes a bunch of time dashing around looking for the enemy (this is me telling on myself)?

If you're picking the parties the guides online say to pick, check if the guides say specific things like "run to this spot as soon as the chamber starts" or other such tips. I remember one cycle when they had those fat water phantasms from Fontaine and I was having a really hard time getting them killed in a reasonable amount of time until someone told me where to run to get them to stack themselves so I could hit them both at once. Almost any floor 12 has strategies like that.

hehshmwwkwk2026-01-25 07:29

HAHA yeah. I cant dodge for shit so often get knocked back and interrupted which is detrimental for my neuvi. Besides that i dotn know much about the enemies resistance etc so might be that! But yeah im gna look more into my gameplay

algunarubia2026-01-25 08:11

One thing to keep in mind is that the people who consistently 9 star floor 12 is that these people are willing to practice. Sometimes the chamber is easy enough to get through it 3 stars the first time, but if they don't manage it the first time, they'll have observed to see where the enemies spawn so they can figure out how to run it again better. They also might leave and wait for better cards if the ones they got suck (not everyone knows this, but they do reset every day), or reset if they got the wrong Widsith buff, if they screwed up their rotation, etc etc. They're often also willing to do 3 different setups in order to get 3 stars in each chamber- ie, it might take them a lot time to do chambers 1 and 2 and they get 0 stars on those just so they have everyone's bursts up and ready for chamber 3. After they 3 star chamber 3, they'll go back with teams that are better optimized for the earlier chambers since they already have chamber 3 out of the way and don't need to rerun it.

As I said, I don't like abyss enough to rerun it a bunch of times. As long as I get 6 stars, I'll just be happy with my first run and leave it alone until reset.

BandicootFar41262026-01-25 14:00

This is the answer to 36\* abyss yeah, and you have one month to do so without burning out.

I did 35\* this time, it was for my first time to reach such a high score, so I will give all to get my first 36\* ever.

turnup4wat2026-01-25 06:58

Yes.

But if you're enjoying the game, don't let it bother you too much.

WhooooCares2026-01-25 07:00

It's a lot of things. None of your builds have over 85% effective Crit Rate, that's a damage loss right off the bat. The rest are likely team comps and rotations.

Most_Virus_59352026-01-25 07:04

You're still fighting the genshin players' final boss,the ability to read

Great-Ad-44162026-01-25 07:20

Play with a controller.

PeculiarSheep2026-01-25 07:40

SKILL ISSUE.

Stunning_Positive2482026-01-25 07:56

Maybe this isn't the game for you

jonnevituwu2026-01-25 13:25

Yeah

Ryuunoru2026-01-25 16:25

Sure, if you want to

OmniOnly2026-01-25 19:01

Yes. We have add plenty of joke abysses and during Dendro you could clear with literally nothing. hyper bloom was such a hard carry a new player could get all the stars. I saw your video and you're builds are better than mine all while you have cons. You hit harder just some team changes and you can breeze and less panic swapping.

Anytime i see these it's always gonna be someone holding back and telling others why they don't do X and refusing help. Take people's advice or at least try it, you have everything set to basically not have any issues what so ever.

Level your talents up, get your characters to 90, and lastly change your teams. For the love of God get that last ascensions. Try to at least adapt.