Ok so like where are we fighting

in the latest archon quest, we are transported into an arena above the clouds with a mountain peak in the backdrop

The Moon breaks through the false sky close enough that it is a short distance from the arena.

Yet after the fight, we are on the moon, a great distance away from the planet where teyvat resides. so like where is the moon? I have seen some theories on where the false sky's border is, but it still doesn't explain how the moon broke through over here and then went all the way back to space and still managed to be in Teyvats atmosphere.

I read one theory that the False Sky is like a pocket dimension, but the borders are meant to keep outsiders out of teyvat, the twins should not be able to enter teyvat by just crash landing on it.

Any theories?

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Wayfinder52026-01-25 10:48

On the palm of Dottore’s hand

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 10:52

Lmao, I meant like geographically but good point. I actually didn't even notice

The_Ninja_Allay2026-01-25 12:00

Got a sudden urge to pee on his finger

h2odragon002026-01-25 14:03

Go ahead Monkey King. This ain't Buddha we're fucking with.

pizayumyum2026-01-25 15:34

Namely, we fight on the Right Hand of God. It's an interesting visual link :)

NeoLedah2026-01-26 00:34

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Wayfinder52026-01-26 01:13

Za Hando

corecenite2026-01-25 10:53

i assume it's just above Nasha Town.

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 10:55

The moon got that close to Teyvat to break the false sky, and then what, like went back to space but still can be seen so still within false sky?
It just doesn't make sense

corecenite2026-01-25 11:08

from my understanding with Bina's explanation, she just broke the firmament so that the moon is able to pass through. the firmament is now closed and the moon is now inside the firmament so that Teyvat doesn't reject Bina's being anymore.

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 11:24

And that's why I'm so confused, the moon is inside the firmament, and we know that the moon is outside of teyvat, in space.
Then that means that the firmament lies outside of teyvat and protects a bit of space as well.
But in the moon breaking the sky scene, we see the firmament break right above the arena, and we also see that Mavuika broke the sky at like cloud level at most, not in space.
Then where exactly is the firmament, in space or in teyvats atmosphere?? It's not really explained

corecenite2026-01-25 11:29

It's both. The ceiling of the firmament is an invisible screen that just separates "Teyvat space" and "actual space". The Moon was in "actual space" behind the firmament. Bina tore through that and moved the Moon in "Teyvat space" and closer to Teyvat skies so that she can be more "powered up" and close quarter combats Dottore. After the fight, she just moved the Moon further from the planet back to "Teyvat space"

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 11:34

So then you say the firmament is in space yes?
But the scenes I mentioned( Mavuika breaking the sky, and the moon breaking through) don't occur in space. It occurs in the skies barely cloud level. This contradicts the fact that the firmament is in space since it's apparently been broken at cloud level

corecenite2026-01-25 11:36

I said both lol.

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 11:39

Huh? How can one barrier be at both levels? Mavuika breaks the false sky and we see the moon broken.
That means that is the actual space.
And the actual space is just behind the clouds?
And yet the actual space seems to also be behind teyvat space.

corecenite2026-01-25 11:40

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peakbleach2026-01-25 12:00

nah its your law atp

CovertMustache2026-01-26 02:28

Bro yapped for a good two hours just to conclude with “Teyvat has its own *laws*,” and people still upvoted him for it.

The Genshin community truly can’t read, lmao.

NotTwitchy2026-01-25 13:25

Someone had an explanation that goes like this, and I’m inclined to agree.

The firmament is less a physical barrier, and more of a pocket dimension. Outside teyvat, the area where the planet WAS is surrounded by this barrier. Inside that area is now a pocket dimension, like a giant serenitea pot. From inside the firmament, you can go as far as you like into space, but you’re still in the pocket dimension. Like, the moon and stars aren’t images on a screen, they exist in space, it’s just not real space.

It takes a lot of power, like Nicole/varka/arle, or mav+the power of friendship, or dottore+three moons, to actually break the firmament from the inside. Otherwise you just go into fake space.

As for the moon distance, I think we can assume Columbina moved it farther away once the fight was over.

corecenite2026-01-26 05:17

>*Teyvat has its own "laws"*

🤷‍♂️

DeadenCicle2026-01-25 13:29

I think they made the moon look so close just for show, just for that one scene.

Iskaru2026-01-25 14:02

I think the issue is that we clearly see that when the real moon approaches the firmament from the outside, it appears absolutely massive. That implies that the real moon is very close to Teyvat's surface when it breaks through the firmament... Which would logically mean that the firmament is very close to Teyvat's surface. But then afterward, the moon appears small in the sky, clearly farther away from where we saw it break through the firmament.

TMXsB2026-01-25 12:17

it seems like the false sky is like a barrier, inside it is its own pocket dimension, inside it the sky stretches far and there are stars and stuff but its all simulation (or atleast i think so).

so what i think happened is the frost moon entered the barrier and then got back to its original orbit around the planet of Teyvat but its still inside the false sky.

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 12:25

The pocket dimension theory doesn't make sense, as I mentioned in the post. Teyvat is inside the false sky, so according to u Teyvat is a simulation.
The false sky was created to not let outsiders come inside Teyvat or even notice it.(Clearly failed since the twins entered but thats besides the point)

TMXsB2026-01-25 12:33

No i am saying Teyvat (the planet) is surrounded by a barrier (the false sky/firmament) the barrier projects a simulated universe for the people inside to see when they look up, with its own constellations even.

The frost moon entered the barrier then went back to orbit Teyvat in the simulated universe.

Ofc this is all a theory but its the only thing that makes sense in my mind, because we clearly saw the frost moon "break" the false sky just above the clouds, but then when we went to look for our ship it was far beyond the planet's atmosphere but is still inside the false sky somehow.

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 12:41

I guess that makes sense? But it also gives a question on how in wobbly space does that work.
Like is it infinite? How far does it go? Someone else talked about how it could be the Shades power, specifically Asmoday making the sky be like that. Then that means either Asmoday is maintaining the space or that she's just that powerful. Didn't the Heavenly Principles make the false sky? Bro is so broken and the traveler is supposed to become him

TMXsB2026-01-25 12:46

Well we really just got to understand a bit of how it works this patch, guess we have to wait for more info

Iskaru2026-01-25 13:58

I totally agree with your points. Honestly I've concluded that it's probably just an inconsistency because it would be difficult to properly animate in the Mavuika and Dottore scenes. I think they just made the firmament look relatively close for visual effect, but actually it's much farther away so that the real moon can still fit inside it.

It is kind of annoying since the cutscene where the moon crashes through the firmament very clearly shows that the moon appears *enormous* at the distance of the firmament... But then somehow afterward it appears small in the sky, below the firmament. I agree that this logically just doesn't make sense. It reminds me a bit of trying to make sense of how Fontaine could get completely flooded while the entire nation is raised above the rest of Teyvat and none of the other nations had any issues with flooding.

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 15:43

Why is everyone down voting my comments, is Me asking questions that bad to all of you?

CovertMustache2026-01-26 02:38

Nah, you just pointed out an obvious hole in the story, and they can’t handle it because they feel obligated to defend a billion dollar company. That’s just how it works.

Point out what the game did wrong and you get downvoted. Praise the company, even for the worst shit they’ve done, and you get upvoted. That’s the entire gimmick of r/Genshin_Impact

Go to r/Genshin_Lore if you’re looking for somewhat unbiased discussion of the story.

HornySnorlax2026-01-25 11:00

A simulation

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 11:03

A simulation that the moon breaks into? Unless you mean the glitching at the end of the archon quest. That theory is still not confirmed and so does not really apply to this

Rain-Maker332026-01-25 19:00

I suppose, even after we go to Khaenri'ah, Celestia and such, they will still keep insisting it's a simulation, simply because Dotty is nowhere to be seen.

ErenIsNotADevil2026-01-25 11:06

After the fight, we are not on the moon. We go to the moon through a passage Columbina makes later.

The arena is literally just a giant hand Dottore made to fight on. Its just above Nasha Town. Way above, but above.

The moon broke through because the Trilunar Goddess' power overcame Dottore's. The False Sky keeps outsiders out and keeps Teyvat mostly hidden. The False Sky is not that strong from the inside, and it is weaker than the Trilune Authority.

The chosen Twin is a Descender. The whole thing about that is that they are strong enough to open the way from the outside on their own; they are not bound by Teyvat's Fate, the False Sky, Irminsul, etc.

No offence meant, but you really need to do more reading in-game before asking for theories.

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 11:17

And you need to work on your reading comprehension of my post before insulting others.
The moon is shown to be outside of the planet just like ours. If the arena is above Nasha Town, then that means the false sky was broken there. Dottore immediately closes the false sky in response to Varka and Nicole 'pulling' it down. And we see the moon break through the false sky, NOT Dottores barrier.
Since we already established that by the time of the traveler and columbina looking at the spaceship, the moon is outside of the planet, and the fact that the moon can be seen by the people of Teyvat, that means the moon is within the false sky, and yet outside the planet.

Thus the false sky is outside the planet,(or atleast is a distance away from the planet, in space)

So the moon somehow traveled from above Nasha town to space and like no one noticed? We know the npcs are like wow the moon looks different! And stuff, also this suggests that the arena lies in space even tho it clearly isn't since the moon broke through the false sky here and stayed there.

Suspicious_Assist_472026-01-25 11:25

The self contradictions here are wild

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 11:28

Yes, thank you for finally reading, Tho I do have to correct one word "self". I'm pointing out how genshin is contradicting itself in where the firmament is placed, which is why I made this post. Something I underestimated is for people to skim the post and then comment their own ideas without considering other's in the slightest

Suspicious_Assist_472026-01-25 12:43

Yeah no i didnt read either i just assumed

ErenIsNotADevil2026-01-25 11:41

One, didn't insult you. If you took that as an insult, that's on you.

Two, take your own advice before getting defensive, and consider also that your sentence structuring ain't allat.

Three, the moon went to the edge of the False Sky. The False Sky is a dome around the planet. The arena was closer to the edge of the False Sky than to the ground. Maybe there's some creative licensing, maybe not. Its on the inside now. Why did people not notice? Because a) it was way the fuck up there above the clouds, and b) Nod Krai had a total population close to 10 at the point.

And four, as an addendum in case it wasn't clear; the False Sky was repaired with the moon inside it. It didn't go anywhere after. The cast went back down to the surface, and the moon stayed in its position.

DottoresPet2026-01-25 11:21

As much as I want to glaze Dottore for being able to effortlessly unzip the false sky, it's probably a simulation.

Evidence:

The "real" sky is usually red, why would it suddenly be blue? My guess is that Dottore made it blue in the simulation because blue is his color and he correctly assumed that nobody would question why is wasn't red

Dottore's quick transformation into his boss form

Dottore suddenly teleports everyone to the arena, which seems unrealistically weird even by Genshin standards

The >!Glitching on the second end card!<

The >!Lack of a body!<

Dottore talks a lot about dreams, and we know from notes in Sumeru that he researches weaponization of dreams

The version art features a stage with curtains

Dottore makes "domes" all over Nod Krai, the boss fight could easily take place in a dome as well

Dottore talks about "playing the role of a villain" rather than simply being a villain

>!Dottore loses unusually easily, but the devs confirmed he's not a bum!<

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 11:25

Yea ik that there's a lot of evidence for this theory but until next update where it gets confirmed or denied, I will theorizing assuming this is false.
Mainly because I love Dottore because he is a great villain and also I hate Dottore because he's a great villain

Sotted2026-01-25 14:01

username checks out

NEIL_VON_POKEY2026-01-25 16:30

I still wonder what the glitching means. Thought it was kinda cool

VirtualDoll2026-01-25 20:46

My theory on the end card is that he lost on purpose and that glitch was him integrating with irminsul 🥴 and to take it to crack levels: maybe it was a second fakeout card because this act/variable he did was successful in creating a branched out, new timeline from the original Archon questline 🙃.

nowlz142026-01-25 11:49

Reminder that:

1. It's a game

2. The world has magic

Non-euclidian geometry is not that surprising. And the false sky probably isn't a physical barrier in one defined position.

CorrectOlive43842026-01-25 12:02

Most likely answer is the boring one of creative liberties to make plot work. But more interesting ones: maybe the firmament is not spherical or even a still shape, could be amorphous in shape more like a wiggly blob that stretches. Or maybe space isn’t linear near the firmament, distorting normal vision of it. I like this one cuz the shades mentioning normal perception not being able to gaze at them (could be for similar reasons). So like when the firmament breaks it just appears alot closer than it actually is because of this spacial distortion. It needs to project multiple fake things at differing distances, such as fake clouds and fake moon. We know heavenly principles or Asmonday can manipulate space so its not impossible.

Now do i actually think these are correct, idk probably not but definitely interesting and at least plausible.

Glum-Surround-50172026-01-25 12:28

This is actually the most sensible theory in the comment section. Everyone else does not take in all the points or they just explain it as Teyvat has its own laws.

I wonder if the shades can fix the sky or no without asmoday

frenzyguy2026-01-25 14:57

From my perspective, we are in another scepter.

ImTheBias2026-01-25 15:51

The arena is where you'd expect the stratosphere to be on Earth, so given Teyvat's small size and other-worldliness, you can say it's even further up into space. Not's not a mountain peak in the background btw, it's a floating giant rock. There was another one up higher.

Now, the firmament is there to conceal the outer space with the illusion that there is more sky with clouds reaching higher up, but anyone knows by that height you'd be seeing no more clouds and the only thing up is the space with stars visible to the naked eye.

In comparison to our Earth, both Teyvat and its moon are TINY!! If we use our own moon's proportion for Teyvat's, it should be about the size of the Chasm+Sumeru forest. And if you noticed the size of the moon when Dottore first cracked open the sky, it's the same size as you'd see it normally in game. So scientific explanations aside - because no point since it's fantasy sci-fi - they don't work or look the same way in distance. Still, a celestial body is no joke. So by the time we pulled down the moon and broke through the false sky, that's still way, wayyyyyyyyy above us.

The crack created by Dottore look really close to us? I think it's all perspective. You gotta know how huge that crack is, and therefore might look closer and smaller to the eye if you don't comprehend it the right way - just like our real moon, you think it's closer than it actually is.

Another of my take is that the firmament isn't a simple thin film hologram, but another atmosphere like structure with a considerable thickness to it. And what does celestial bodies have? Gravitation fields. So as the moon got closer, while it was still far away from the visible false sky(inner wall) it was coming into contact with the firmament outer wall via its gravitational force and therefore broke through without touching physically.

Lastly, about the moon being within the firmament. Does Teyvat look that far from the moon when we got up there? I don't think so, that's a short distance. If you leave the moon and let gravity do the work, you'd be crash landing back in Teyvat within half a day. My take is that the firmament is enormous - respect to Phanes - so the moon being withing the false sky at that distance isn't that unbelievable. Why isn't the outer sky/space red like we'd know before? A lot had been going on, Alice did something, pushed back the abyss and chaos for the time being?

Another possibility is that the firmament is permanently broken at the location of the moon, and the moon is not active in orbit, meaning it's not going around the Planet. Neither does the firmament spin while Teyvat does rotate. So each moon-rise, we're seeing the true moon. But this is unlikely.

I hope this answer your questions. It's just a game and its CGI to convey an idea by the end of the day, not everything will be accurately portrayed like in real life. The only noticeable mistake would be the true new moon appearing to be the same size as before in game... Hoyo did their best.