Why do people use these voice lines to prove Columbina was rewritten?
They dont exactly state Columbina is creepy or evil I don't get it
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MaeveOathrender2026-01-26 10:38
Are we really still talking about this...?
Curiousity10242026-01-27 01:11
They did, and they're not talking about it. They're blasting those information into you whether you like it or not . If they believed Columbina is re-written, they gonna make sure you swallow that entirely.
Hoping you could spread the hate too \~
MaeveOathrender2026-01-27 01:12
It's so easy to just ignore them.
Curiousity10242026-01-27 01:25
You're right, thank you for the advice
magnidwarf19002026-01-26 10:40
Because that's literally all that we got
IxravenxI2026-01-26 11:27
yeah lol.
tyjz73_2026-01-26 10:42
Because Genshin players lack reading comprehension and think this proves she was meant to be some eldritch horror. When these, along with Arlecchino's, just paint her as some aloof innocent weirdo that is number 3 of the Harbingers, despite just sitting around singing all day.
BulbasaurTreecko2026-01-26 10:57
Childe is a low-ranking guy whose mind is constantly fixated on combat prowess. Somehow, one of his highest superiors has the role although all she does is sit around and sing in gardens with her eyes closed all day. This seems out of place to him, so of course he assumes she must be hiding some greater ability (which technically she is) and thus you should be careful. She’s done *something* to be worth the rank of 3rd.
Wanderer basically describes her exactly as she is, then says “I have no qualms with picking a fight with someone who seems innocent. You do though, so you probably wouldn’t fight her.”
Arlecchino’s isn’t pictured here but it’s basically just “she’s interesting, and she never gives a straight answer to questions.”
it was very much headcanon and fanon portrayal that built her up into some biblically accurate creature, and although those fanworks are really cool we really were never promised anything of the sort
oldmonk_972026-01-26 10:58
She is cute innocent weirdo.. Who is a fucking moon goddess. Not that far off from an eldritch horror. If perspectives change I'd say fans were pretty on point.
Curiousity10242026-01-26 11:14
Childe and Scaramouche , Regrator , The rooster they're mainly not close with Columbina. And until now, the only Released Harbinger is Childe , Scaramouche, Arlecchino (not counting Columbina because she quit being a Fatui ).
And in this 3 Harbinger, Childe and Scaramouche have similar response towards Columbina . And only Arlecchino said ' She is interesting ' .
So in general, Of course people would Believe 2 vs 1 . So 2 people's opinion win against 1 person opinion.
Additionally , the way she sing in A Winter's Night Lazzo is so ''SCARY'' . So that's 3 against 1. So the winner is : Columbina is scary \~
Current time : 3 confirmed information from the past VS The current Nod Krai Archon Quest. They're overloading with information given . So, the best way to retaliate is to get angry then \~ You know, like how animals became aggressive if cornered . Because too much to handle in their daily lives \~
FatalWarrior2026-01-26 15:50
>(not counting Columbina because she quit being a Fatui )
And yet you bring up this "Scaramouche" individual, who is not on the Fatui's list of Harbingers...
Curiousity10242026-01-27 01:01
Sorry, you will not be entertained unless you bring something relevant .
cefli2026-01-26 11:37
I think youre overestimating the average genshin player most of them cant read.
LivingASlothsLife2026-01-26 10:42
I'd assume its coz they made an assumption based on these lines and stuck with it. Either way there is no proof whether she has or not and these voicelines aren't evidence due to the fact they don't prove or disprove anything related to rewrites. Her character as she is now is still consistent with these voicelines
TheLastTitan772026-01-26 10:42
Cus in trailer girl singing a song over dead friend = creepy and they run with this headcanon as only possible explanation
CreamOk25192026-01-26 10:55
Yeah I never got it. People do sing at their loved ones’ funeral as a sign of respect sometimes.
RoyaleAbsol2026-01-26 11:40
I mean, yeah but in hindsight, we had very clearly been led to believe that the Fatui Harbingers were dangerous people and that was corroborated all the more by Signora, Dottore, Childe and Scara's actions during the AQs at the time. Their actions were literally all that we had to paint a picture of what the Harbingers were like.
It's not surprising in the slightest that when we see a young woman apart of that organisation singing a lullaby on top of her dead friend's coffin, that people assume that she's got a few screws loose. No normal person does that. It really wasn't an outlandish idea to think at the time. Plus the archetype of sweet and cuddly exterior but ruthless and monstrous interior is a very common trope amongst villains in general and has been for probably decades at this point.
Frost_Niflheim2026-01-26 11:08
She was singing Signora's leit motif. So it was her way of paying respects and reminiscing her.
ruanmei-2026-01-26 11:43
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TheLastTitan772026-01-26 11:50
I mean yeah, the overall tone is suppose to be creepy but the action itself is not evil or smth. If you read the description about her from others it's perfectly in character - she is distant and kinda detached deity like entity and she's showing sorrow in her own way. Could she end up as evil Cthulhu? Sure. But she didn't have to
ruanmei-2026-01-26 13:07
wait I read ur comment wrong sorry
MuscleDue1702026-01-26 10:42
cute and innocent girl that ranked no3 in strength of an elite org??? yeh i would wear full plate armor and get in a damn tank when she's around duhh. And if she's rewritten, so what, hoyo gonna shove primos up yo bum or something.
HumsterMKI2026-01-26 11:49
Tinfoil Hat time:
She was REALLY REWRITTEN!
BY Dottore, I just can't prove it 100% yet!
MuscleDue1702026-01-26 11:57
that's some inception stuff my brother
HumsterMKI2026-01-26 14:40
It's all connected and disconnected at the same time!
True and False are equal!
Everything is within each other!
Particular_Sell_82562026-01-26 10:44
There is no proof ANYTHING is rewritten in this game
These are devs who planned out the story 10 years in advance. There is no rewrite that is too small in that it wont affect the overall story. This is the same game that name dropped Naberius in 1.3 before finally revealing who she is in 5.7. The same devs who foreshadowed the Hydro Dragon's rebirth and the cause of Bennett's curse as well as the foreshadowing of the white horse adeptus thats now being paid off ever since its first mention in the 1.0 versions
People who claim things get re-written have no proof and just want to say things when their headcanon doesnt pan out the way they want it to
Explorer-Present2026-01-26 10:59
Nothing at all? I thought the devs had said officially that they have changed stuff, not Columbina specifically but they had been changing the story ever since sumeru or something. I never fact checked it so maybe I'm wrong
La-Roca992026-01-26 11:08
They just changed the story scope
Instead of going for 3 acts and Archon asap, let the story in the oven a bit longer and have the archon for .2(Sumeru,Fontaine) or .3(Natlan/Nod Krai)
Low_Artist_76632026-01-26 11:39
The initial plan was for 5 years, but after launch, it instantly changed to 10 years. And now they say it's gonna be 20+.
5 acts and Nodkrai is likely a part of "10 years" change. While MW (and probably anime) is part of what happens next.
SoC1752026-01-26 10:59
Well, rewritting small (rarely major) details is very common in such long running projects.
I dare say it's probably the odd one out if there's a project of that magnitude where nothing ever changes vs. what was planned years ago.
The people involved grow and change, audience reception may not how it was expected years ago, the real world changes which again influences both authors and audience, etc.
You hardly find any authors who will tell you that their multiple years and installments project turned out excatly how they had it in their first plans.
Not Marvel, not GRRM, not Robert Jordan (rest in piece), not Oda, etc.
They all may have had a vision and an idea of the way how to get there, but at the end details and sidetracks always are a little different than originally thought
ledlock2026-01-26 11:40
they planned it 10 years in advance yet the quality is so random that we still talk about how bad Inazuma was. Lets not kid ourselves with the silly narrative that they are such geniuses a rewriting could never happen. They are a business that listens to market forces and they dont work in 10 years of advance when the game could lose popularity and they have to move onto the next venture. They simply have a lot of characters foreshadowed so they can always grab something if they need something new.
Particular_Sell_82562026-01-26 11:45
Theres a difference between a concept and an execution
Inazuma is simply an example of a good concept with a poor execution
Good-Commission11872026-01-26 10:45
this voicelines fit old columbina concept from 2023 leak where she is supposed to be in natlan and be more into fights
people should just deal with fact that devs change some things and let her go
La-Roca992026-01-26 11:07
Still waiting for Xbalanque Hoyo favourite child to drop on Natlan second half and be meta relevant until Genshin 2 drops next year
Taking leakers words as the gospel truth when they know jackshit besides theories and an ocassional 1/10 truth is precisely why this my headcanon didnt prove to be true therefore I get mad online is happening
Good-Commission11872026-01-26 11:16
i wont take leaks as trush if this two voicelines dont fit columbina design from this leak, btw this leaked document with old fatui concept have more interesting info and so far all male harbingers dont change at all from this document description, but all female harbingers changed, in leak arlecchino(and all other harbingers) is around 300 y.o. and arlecchino had crucabena personality, hoyo change it to sell her, and sandrone was yandere but they change her to cute tsundere to sell her. It all just make sense to me
La-Roca992026-01-26 11:20
Concept
Concepts most likely never make it into final product
You: *Lets start believing they changed them all*
404 Logic not found
So there was this so called "concept" for Fontaine that would be a civil war between 2 archons, one representing Pneuma(Navia) and the other Ousia(Foçalors)
Reality, there were 2 archons, with Foçalors split in 2 parts. But neither a "civil war" or Navia been an archon
Thats the problem here. Taking something STC and running it down as the gospel truth, then get mad when said "truth" turns out to be false
ErenIsNotADevil2026-01-26 11:21
Things change, yes.
Her characterization definitely did not. These voicelines perfectly fit the current Columbina from the perspectives of the characters that say them.
LogRepresentative8032026-01-26 11:30
For anyone who is curious about said leak, it was a set of leaks regarding the voice directions of many Fatui Harbingers found on this thread. [r/Columbina\_Mains](https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbina_Mains/comments/1dltsua/sus_columbina_voice_direction_related_crumbs_from/)
There were many influences (just reading the comments from 2 years ago) like this one which warped people's perception of what kind of character Columbina was.
Low_Artist_76632026-01-26 11:40
And who's she fighting? Arlecchino who died in Fontaine aq?
Gyokuro0912026-01-26 10:47
Honestly, it fits Childe much better that it doesn’t feel right because she seems so innocent rather than him ever being intimidated by anything - creepiness, overwhelming evil, or whatever.
Alzusand2026-01-26 10:48
Its almost completely confirmed it was rewritten by the time she was created and her design done they didnt even have in mind nod krai at all.
even in her first appearance her singing over signora's coffin with a slight smile doesent correlate to how she acts or feels when we meet her at all.
they got the fact that what they had revealed at the time was vague and unclear enough that a retcon could be done without damaging anything.
Its not bad. bina turned out to be a very popular and lovable character.
the popularity of that harbingers trailer made them change and adapt a lot of things differently.
like theres the theory that the harbinger of fontaine was going to be sandrone because of all her lore theme and design correlations with the area but arleccinos popularity made them use her instead despite her role in the story being almost nothing.
someoneyouwannakno2026-01-26 10:50
I myself also think she's rewritten I'm just wondering why some people only believe she is because of those voice lines
Alzusand2026-01-26 10:59
Because of the archetypes and things about her original design.
Her smiling and singing over the coffin gives creepy vibes
She nevers open her eyes and has a veil characters like that are generally the mysterious and scheeming types like hidden threats under a preety face.
she's the number 3 on an organization that ranks their members by strenght.
childe known battle maniac trained in the abyss felt so off about her that he doesent want to fight her and tells you to be carefull arround her.
scaramouche guy who was in the fatui a long time and knew almost everything about every member tells you she seems innocent but uncercened and unfeeling about everything and doesent want you to meet her at all and he had just tried to kill you not that long ago.
her angel style wings on her back while supposedly being considered evil / an enemy like the rest of the fatui at the time.
Its no wonder everyone thought "dangerous eldrich like Inhuman angel"
Curious_Ring_28132026-01-26 10:59
The lines kind of imply something creepy and wrong with her, always cheery, no empathy no matter the situation. But they can still fot her current character.
I used to think she would be a scary aloof angel character. But also used to think Arlechino would be bad with how inazuma presented the house of the hearth
Curiousity10242026-01-26 11:26
They listed down all The Harbinger's members since 1.0 . Nod-Krai was mentioned from Liben from time to time .
The dev team only mentioned , they noticed making Genshin a live service is like Painting a canvas . So they're improving their presentation and optimization of Genshin Impact . They did not tell you everything and you assumed you know everything . Nice \~
LanLinked2026-01-26 10:50
To me these lines just read as "she seems weak, but she's number 3, so she must actually be crazy strong"
TheLastTitan772026-01-26 10:56
Well she is crazy strong (esp. now), she just doesn't feel like fighting
SoC1752026-01-26 11:07
Which is exactly how it turned out to be, even before she became trilunar.
Remember that during her position as harbinger she wasn't that drained yet and at least as strong ay she was when we briefly restored her during the fight against Rerir
Xirtie2026-01-26 10:52
Agenda
fiersome082026-01-26 10:54
Genshin 101:
Never fully trust what any characters say in this game, bias always exists. The truth lies only in allegory.
TheShippsn2026-01-26 10:57
People confuse their own headcanon with the writers actual characterization. Nothing official implied her being what she was depicted as in fanarts etc. If anything, wanderer tells us she’s quite detached from reality which we get to understand through our interactions with her.
AlterWanabee2026-01-26 10:58
The voice lines are based on the perspective of the character. It was never supposed to be the truth whatsoever, just like how people gets influenced by their biases.
The top voice line is from Childe, who only has the Tsaritsa, combat, and family in mind. Of course he's going to wonder why the hell is a dainty girl the 3rd Harbinger. He didn't saw her fight or use her powers, so he's gonna wonder whether she is secretly powerful to be ranked just below Capitano.
Curiousity10242026-01-27 01:05
Mainly how she Navigate around without opening her eyes , constantly doing her own stuff daily, not caring of others view .
This little details probably made Childe , and Scaramouche think Columbina is a Horror in strength. But can't believe it still hits reality instead of them two haha
2Pilha2026-01-26 10:58
Headcannons, fanfics and a LOT of schizo talk
Civil-Cauliflower3772026-01-26 11:01
Can we stop bringing the twitter slop here? You all are just finding something stupid on that platform and spreading the nonsense here
Curiousity10242026-01-26 11:01
Let's make it clear :
\-Childe Thinks Columbina is Strong.
\-Childe can feel most Harbinger's combat strength ( Mentioning Their ranks )
\-Childe think something's not right with Columbina's rank and her daily behavior in there.
\-Scaramouche reminded of that's how Most 'God' Feels towards normal / weak people (Raiden Ei, and Shogun )
\-Scaramouche assumed Columbina is A God or someone close enough to godly power.
\-Therefore assumed she's The most Dangerous member in the Harbinger's rank!
skeetyeeturlifedelet2026-01-26 11:02
Imagine if Varka didn't have a new model and was no conceivable way he could be perceived as "the Titan of the knights of Favonius". But we expected it, because the expectation created by Childe's voiceline (meaning its main meta-narrative purpose) was within reason.
But suddenly he's unreliable because he perceived Columbina as scary? Now add in the fact that this expectation was further fuelled by a diametrically opposed character to Childe in temperament. Two distinct instances of "something being off". And don't go giving me canon explanations about why this happened, they didn't get to know her blah, blah. Like obviously they would have to substantiate their shift in direction to some capacity lmfao.
mizukis_ribbon2026-01-26 11:03
Cuz they are dumb af
Babi_Guling4202026-01-26 11:05
It's all about agenda.
People like these are too prideful and too dumb to admit their headcanon about the character's personality is wrong, that's why they keep using these two voicelines when Childe and Scaramouche were just saying
"careful with her she is top 3 fyi"
not talking about how she's some biblical angel, evil or whatever.
Wayfinder52026-01-26 11:07
Cause people are using facts to fit a conclusion rather than using facts to come to a conclusion
Low_Artist_76632026-01-26 11:49
If facts you used always lead to the same correct conclusion, it's a rather boring story.
LeKebabGeek2026-01-26 11:09
Because at the time that was litteraly all the info we had. It's easy to say "Bro it's so obvious! Why would people ever think that!" after experiencing Nod-Krai, but at the time the creepy/eldritch was by far the most popular interpretation of her character because of sleepy and innocent in appearance vibe, angel feathers, eyes closed, singing a lullaby while smiling on a coffin and voicelines alluding at her being more dangerous than she appears.
IxravenxI2026-01-26 11:30
yeah the way she just sang through the whole funeral gave the fans the wrong impression. She was assumed to be an angel based on her 6 winged accessory.
kifune892026-01-26 11:11
It's basically "Don't judge book by its cover".
kujah_0h2026-01-26 11:14
Its a fair assumption.
And I dunno, but Columbina being the moon has always surprised me somewhat. She's has had several design elements including color accents being removed from her to better suit her new role. She was clearly an angel from her revealed design, but she was made to take on a more lunar themed role later on. Her winged accents didnt even appear on the rest of the moon sisters, so it makes you wonder.
And keep in mind that Nod Krai wasnt officially one of the regions we were going to go to, but it was made in order to 'slow down' the progression and tie some loose ends, but you think about it, they mostly just dropped a bunch of new lore and create more questions than answered old ones.
Ive also always wondered why the Moon wasn't the other half of Natlan's main divine participants but the angels and seelie instead. I know the sun and moon themes would have been a bit cliche, but the lord of the night being an angel in charge of the afterlife was kind of wasted potential since the lore drop felt so last minute and the role of the seelie was only touched on later by Nicole.
In mesoamerican mythology, there was this underworld story that r/genshinlore was speculating about before the last patch of Natlan came out, the Popol Vuh i think, its pretty much the K'iche' Maya creation epic where the Hero Twins Hunahpu and Xbalanque descend into the underworld (Xibalba), die, are resurrected, and transformed into the Sun and the Moon. Hell, this would have tied Xblanaque into the story deeper than being Mr. Potential Man and never being mentioned again.
Hot take, but if Columbina's role was talen over by a brand new character, she would have been more universally loved.
LeKebabGeek2026-01-26 11:35
I've always thought the moon goddess outfit clashed heavily with the rest of her design that was pre-established, especially the hair. The colors and style are just completely different and if you look at lazzo you can see glimpses of her outfit that look nothing like it. Keep in mind every other harbinger had similar outfits to what they ended up wearing, or with minor adjustments if anything.
Also as you said her role as moon goddess is heavily tied to a region that wasn't originally planned, so it's not hard to imagine she would've played a very different role in the story if things went as originally planned and 6.x was Snezh instead.
Low_Artist_76632026-01-26 11:44
Keep in mind that the actual angel we got doesn't look like one.
Jifaru2026-01-26 11:18
Didn't they say that the top 3 harbingers have powers that exceed the archons? This is literally true for Columbina and always has been
notthatjaded2026-01-26 15:02
No, they (Venti) said they were on par, not that their power exceeded that of gods.
Jifaru2026-01-26 17:50
Right, thanks
Arun_84622026-01-26 11:25
In a huge organization like fatui with mission to collect gnosis from gods and then there is this girl who's singing and wandering all day without getting assigned to an task by tsaritsa meanwhile being no.3 in ranking well anyone would be curious and keep their guard up against anyone whose power they dont know of.
Like seriously based on their voicelines i though she would be more dangerous and terriying nightmare than dottore to meet and she might manipulate us to fight against our friends and all😂 but it turns out she ends up a cute little pookie 😣🤍
Low_Artist_76632026-01-26 11:35
Watch people get mad when Rooster puts a sentence from words other than "money", "pantalone" and "mark my words".
But wait, it wouldn't happen. Only female characters get retconed and ruined by the devs.
pdmt2432026-01-26 11:37
headcanons, leaks and concepts, those things. And none of those things are in any way official lol
yeah, her concepts were this and that. Ok? Concepts are just concepts, they change all the time, what matters is the official release and end product, and nothing we have now clash with whatever's in the official game
CidOmega2026-01-26 11:38
Can someone explain the last 3 lines of Childe in Razor language? I still don't get them.
notthatjaded2026-01-26 15:05
Harbingers are ranked by strength. Cute girl who doesn’t seem to do combat is ranked as the third highest. Something about that feels off and gives Childe the heebie jeebies.
herminihildo2026-01-26 12:09
I like Childe but he's one of the most unreliable narrator in game. I would take a melusine's perception that his co-worker review.
NoxAlbus2026-01-26 12:24
It may shock you, but a surprisingly large fraction of the population are completely foreign to the concept of an "unreliable narrator". They immediately believe what they are told because they're like "xxx is never gonna tell a lie and hurt me".
So they would be offended when someone even suggests that this person, who is so trustworthy and nice, can lack the proper knowledge, or can be deceiving them on purpose. It's hardly a Genshin problem, just made extra obvious because Genshin is a big game with many active players.
D-S_122026-01-26 12:29
Both Childe and Wanderer are just pointing to how there's something off with Columbina's nature. She stuck out as a sore thumb among the Harbingers with her personality.
HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-26 12:45
Because reading comprehension and media literacy is at an all time low.
nzmas2026-01-26 12:59
I don't agree with nor deny the 'rewritten' possibility but honestly, these voicelines are pretty accurate to me..? This definitely is how she appears looking at her from afar and/or barely interacting with her. Especially knowing now all she did was just stroll around the fatui HQ.
First, why would childe get hyped to fight someone so unfeeling and innocent looking + no achievements/feats, thats not exciting at all.
Second, Wanderer was just warning us if we ever somehow got in a fight with her, bc the traveler is too nice and probably wouldn't be able to actually fight her.
The_Gravity_cat2026-01-26 13:05
She herself explains that she often got bored and tuned out, and autopiloted some of her answers. That, and being N3 is why her colleagues got the impression she’s a crazy strong weirdo. Sometimes the best explanations are the simplest and grounded in reality.
Maybe she was meant to be mysterious originally, plans can and do change. But the way she is now and how she explains her time with the fatui puts her into a relatable light.
I’ve come to realise relatively recently that voicelines about each character are their personal impressions of them, and shouldn’t always be taken as gospel as to how they truly are. Childe believes Arlecchino is insane in his voicelines, but his impression of her changes during the story and apologises to her for getting the wrong idea.
LackingSimplicity2026-01-26 13:22
Because they start with the answer then twist the facts to try and make them fit it.
Lucky-Oven54672026-01-26 13:52
Because they so badly want their lil headcanon to be real. They also don't understand what an "unreliable narrator" is unfortunately it seems.
Neospanner2026-01-26 14:52
"Unfeeling and uncaring" paints a picture of someone who is detached from normal human empathy. The fact that combat-maniac Tartaglia shies away from challenging her hints that in spite of her appearance she's dangerous in a way that registers in an almost instinctual manner.
It's not a huge leap to interpret all this as painting a picture of a being who appears cute and innocent but conceals monstrous power, with possibly a monstrous mindset to go along with it.
It's silly to insist that she was originally planned to be monstrous and the writers did a rewrite. It's not impossible that that might be the case, but it is far more likely that players simply jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Hoyo certainly wasn't going to clear the air about it. Columbina was among the most mysterious of all of the Harbingers, and the buzz and speculation about her did a lot to build up fan hype.
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Hoping you could spread the hate too \~
Wanderer basically describes her exactly as she is, then says “I have no qualms with picking a fight with someone who seems innocent. You do though, so you probably wouldn’t fight her.”
Arlecchino’s isn’t pictured here but it’s basically just “she’s interesting, and she never gives a straight answer to questions.”
it was very much headcanon and fanon portrayal that built her up into some biblically accurate creature, and although those fanworks are really cool we really were never promised anything of the sort
And in this 3 Harbinger, Childe and Scaramouche have similar response towards Columbina . And only Arlecchino said ' She is interesting ' .
So in general, Of course people would Believe 2 vs 1 . So 2 people's opinion win against 1 person opinion.
Additionally , the way she sing in A Winter's Night Lazzo is so ''SCARY'' . So that's 3 against 1. So the winner is : Columbina is scary \~
Current time : 3 confirmed information from the past VS The current Nod Krai Archon Quest. They're overloading with information given . So, the best way to retaliate is to get angry then \~ You know, like how animals became aggressive if cornered . Because too much to handle in their daily lives \~
And yet you bring up this "Scaramouche" individual, who is not on the Fatui's list of Harbingers...
It's not surprising in the slightest that when we see a young woman apart of that organisation singing a lullaby on top of her dead friend's coffin, that people assume that she's got a few screws loose. No normal person does that. It really wasn't an outlandish idea to think at the time. Plus the archetype of sweet and cuddly exterior but ruthless and monstrous interior is a very common trope amongst villains in general and has been for probably decades at this point.
She was REALLY REWRITTEN!
BY Dottore, I just can't prove it 100% yet!
True and False are equal!
Everything is within each other!
These are devs who planned out the story 10 years in advance. There is no rewrite that is too small in that it wont affect the overall story. This is the same game that name dropped Naberius in 1.3 before finally revealing who she is in 5.7. The same devs who foreshadowed the Hydro Dragon's rebirth and the cause of Bennett's curse as well as the foreshadowing of the white horse adeptus thats now being paid off ever since its first mention in the 1.0 versions
People who claim things get re-written have no proof and just want to say things when their headcanon doesnt pan out the way they want it to
Instead of going for 3 acts and Archon asap, let the story in the oven a bit longer and have the archon for .2(Sumeru,Fontaine) or .3(Natlan/Nod Krai)
5 acts and Nodkrai is likely a part of "10 years" change. While MW (and probably anime) is part of what happens next.
I dare say it's probably the odd one out if there's a project of that magnitude where nothing ever changes vs. what was planned years ago.
The people involved grow and change, audience reception may not how it was expected years ago, the real world changes which again influences both authors and audience, etc.
You hardly find any authors who will tell you that their multiple years and installments project turned out excatly how they had it in their first plans.
Not Marvel, not GRRM, not Robert Jordan (rest in piece), not Oda, etc.
They all may have had a vision and an idea of the way how to get there, but at the end details and sidetracks always are a little different than originally thought
Inazuma is simply an example of a good concept with a poor execution
people should just deal with fact that devs change some things and let her go
Taking leakers words as the gospel truth when they know jackshit besides theories and an ocassional 1/10 truth is precisely why this my headcanon didnt prove to be true therefore I get mad online is happening
Concepts most likely never make it into final product
You: *Lets start believing they changed them all*
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So there was this so called "concept" for Fontaine that would be a civil war between 2 archons, one representing Pneuma(Navia) and the other Ousia(Foçalors)
Reality, there were 2 archons, with Foçalors split in 2 parts. But neither a "civil war" or Navia been an archon
Thats the problem here. Taking something STC and running it down as the gospel truth, then get mad when said "truth" turns out to be false
Her characterization definitely did not. These voicelines perfectly fit the current Columbina from the perspectives of the characters that say them.
There were many influences (just reading the comments from 2 years ago) like this one which warped people's perception of what kind of character Columbina was.
even in her first appearance her singing over signora's coffin with a slight smile doesent correlate to how she acts or feels when we meet her at all.
they got the fact that what they had revealed at the time was vague and unclear enough that a retcon could be done without damaging anything.
Its not bad. bina turned out to be a very popular and lovable character.
the popularity of that harbingers trailer made them change and adapt a lot of things differently.
like theres the theory that the harbinger of fontaine was going to be sandrone because of all her lore theme and design correlations with the area but arleccinos popularity made them use her instead despite her role in the story being almost nothing.
Her smiling and singing over the coffin gives creepy vibes
She nevers open her eyes and has a veil characters like that are generally the mysterious and scheeming types like hidden threats under a preety face.
she's the number 3 on an organization that ranks their members by strenght.
childe known battle maniac trained in the abyss felt so off about her that he doesent want to fight her and tells you to be carefull arround her.
scaramouche guy who was in the fatui a long time and knew almost everything about every member tells you she seems innocent but uncercened and unfeeling about everything and doesent want you to meet her at all and he had just tried to kill you not that long ago.
her angel style wings on her back while supposedly being considered evil / an enemy like the rest of the fatui at the time.
Its no wonder everyone thought "dangerous eldrich like Inhuman angel"
I used to think she would be a scary aloof angel character. But also used to think Arlechino would be bad with how inazuma presented the house of the hearth
The dev team only mentioned , they noticed making Genshin a live service is like Painting a canvas . So they're improving their presentation and optimization of Genshin Impact . They did not tell you everything and you assumed you know everything . Nice \~
Remember that during her position as harbinger she wasn't that drained yet and at least as strong ay she was when we briefly restored her during the fight against Rerir
Never fully trust what any characters say in this game, bias always exists. The truth lies only in allegory.
The top voice line is from Childe, who only has the Tsaritsa, combat, and family in mind. Of course he's going to wonder why the hell is a dainty girl the 3rd Harbinger. He didn't saw her fight or use her powers, so he's gonna wonder whether she is secretly powerful to be ranked just below Capitano.
This little details probably made Childe , and Scaramouche think Columbina is a Horror in strength. But can't believe it still hits reality instead of them two haha
\-Childe Thinks Columbina is Strong.
\-Childe can feel most Harbinger's combat strength ( Mentioning Their ranks )
\-Childe think something's not right with Columbina's rank and her daily behavior in there.
\-Therefore Assumed, she's got hidden POWERFUL GODLY ABILITIES!
\-Scaramouche thinks Columbina looks innocent, not caring anything, can't feel others
\-Scaramouche reminded of that's how Most 'God' Feels towards normal / weak people (Raiden Ei, and Shogun )
\-Scaramouche assumed Columbina is A God or someone close enough to godly power.
\-Therefore assumed she's The most Dangerous member in the Harbinger's rank!
But suddenly he's unreliable because he perceived Columbina as scary? Now add in the fact that this expectation was further fuelled by a diametrically opposed character to Childe in temperament. Two distinct instances of "something being off". And don't go giving me canon explanations about why this happened, they didn't get to know her blah, blah. Like obviously they would have to substantiate their shift in direction to some capacity lmfao.
People like these are too prideful and too dumb to admit their headcanon about the character's personality is wrong, that's why they keep using these two voicelines when Childe and Scaramouche were just saying
"careful with her she is top 3 fyi"
not talking about how she's some biblical angel, evil or whatever.
And I dunno, but Columbina being the moon has always surprised me somewhat. She's has had several design elements including color accents being removed from her to better suit her new role. She was clearly an angel from her revealed design, but she was made to take on a more lunar themed role later on. Her winged accents didnt even appear on the rest of the moon sisters, so it makes you wonder.
And keep in mind that Nod Krai wasnt officially one of the regions we were going to go to, but it was made in order to 'slow down' the progression and tie some loose ends, but you think about it, they mostly just dropped a bunch of new lore and create more questions than answered old ones.
Ive also always wondered why the Moon wasn't the other half of Natlan's main divine participants but the angels and seelie instead. I know the sun and moon themes would have been a bit cliche, but the lord of the night being an angel in charge of the afterlife was kind of wasted potential since the lore drop felt so last minute and the role of the seelie was only touched on later by Nicole.
In mesoamerican mythology, there was this underworld story that r/genshinlore was speculating about before the last patch of Natlan came out, the Popol Vuh i think, its pretty much the K'iche' Maya creation epic where the Hero Twins Hunahpu and Xbalanque descend into the underworld (Xibalba), die, are resurrected, and transformed into the Sun and the Moon. Hell, this would have tied Xblanaque into the story deeper than being Mr. Potential Man and never being mentioned again.
Hot take, but if Columbina's role was talen over by a brand new character, she would have been more universally loved.
Also as you said her role as moon goddess is heavily tied to a region that wasn't originally planned, so it's not hard to imagine she would've played a very different role in the story if things went as originally planned and 6.x was Snezh instead.
Like seriously based on their voicelines i though she would be more dangerous and terriying nightmare than dottore to meet and she might manipulate us to fight against our friends and all😂 but it turns out she ends up a cute little pookie 😣🤍
But wait, it wouldn't happen. Only female characters get retconed and ruined by the devs.
yeah, her concepts were this and that. Ok? Concepts are just concepts, they change all the time, what matters is the official release and end product, and nothing we have now clash with whatever's in the official game
So they would be offended when someone even suggests that this person, who is so trustworthy and nice, can lack the proper knowledge, or can be deceiving them on purpose. It's hardly a Genshin problem, just made extra obvious because Genshin is a big game with many active players.
First, why would childe get hyped to fight someone so unfeeling and innocent looking + no achievements/feats, thats not exciting at all.
Second, Wanderer was just warning us if we ever somehow got in a fight with her, bc the traveler is too nice and probably wouldn't be able to actually fight her.
Maybe she was meant to be mysterious originally, plans can and do change. But the way she is now and how she explains her time with the fatui puts her into a relatable light.
I’ve come to realise relatively recently that voicelines about each character are their personal impressions of them, and shouldn’t always be taken as gospel as to how they truly are. Childe believes Arlecchino is insane in his voicelines, but his impression of her changes during the story and apologises to her for getting the wrong idea.
It's not a huge leap to interpret all this as painting a picture of a being who appears cute and innocent but conceals monstrous power, with possibly a monstrous mindset to go along with it.
It's silly to insist that she was originally planned to be monstrous and the writers did a rewrite. It's not impossible that that might be the case, but it is far more likely that players simply jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Hoyo certainly wasn't going to clear the air about it. Columbina was among the most mysterious of all of the Harbingers, and the buzz and speculation about her did a lot to build up fan hype.