Character dependencies of today are nothing compared to the 2.X meta of yesterday
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getratioed_2026-01-26 20:19
oh god I loved this team
HuTaosTwinTails2026-01-26 20:25
Yeah, character dependency today is far worse. Team comps most restrictive and meta is far worse.
pzlama3332026-01-26 20:26
Well, Shenhe can be replaced by Rosaria, Kazuha can be replaced by Venti/Sucrose, and Kokomi can be replaced by Mona. They still work and would be worse, but not that much if you just lose one.
Skirk without Escoffier, Flins without Ineffa and Nefer without Lauma are much worse.
Edit: another issue is that Escoffier, Ineffa and Lauma are all limited 5-star characters. Wanderer/Xiao/post-buff main Venti without Faruzan, overload team without Cheveruse are also bad, but Faruzan, Cheveruse are 4-star characters who are usually much easier to get.
Joe_from_ungvar2026-01-26 20:26
is it really?
Ayaka Escoffier Shenhe Furina
shrug_was_taken2026-01-26 20:41
In 2.x it was meta
Joe_from_ungvar2026-01-26 20:52
i know
but the topic is dependencies
arseholierthanthou2026-01-26 20:26
But this was just to 36\* Spiral Abyss. I managed to at least make it through floor 12 with Rosaria and Mona rather than Ayaka and Kokomi.
Whereas this latest Abyss is very hard without Ineffa or Flins. Not to get stars, but to get through at all. Sigurd limits you to Moonsign while Cactus Man limits you to Electro-Charged. I managed to do with with Lunar Bloom by waiting out Cactus dude and Knuckle Duckle, but it was a very close thing. And that was with three premium units, just no Ineffa or Flins.
And then there's the Game Before the Gate, which is virtually impossible for most non-Freeze teams.
WeakRip19692026-01-26 20:28
Well back then we only had abyss … and that too had normal enemies like lawachrul at floor 12 or 4 ruin guards … now we have knuckle duck and SO and IT… so ofc that team wont work
newplayer1352026-01-26 20:41
I think it's mainly the modern meta pressure - back in the day, you could play almost any decent team, and as long as you were a semi-competent player, you would clear. That absolutely cannot be said for endgame today - characters (and usually only a small group of characters too - the shilled ones and the ones with enough DPS to brute force) must be on their best synergistic teams.
But even in modern meta, you can see the difference - C0R0 Ayaka hyperbloom (Furina/Kuki/Nahida) ended up being the lowest cost team (and cheapest as well) to clear Fearless SSA, at only 3 cost. It is because Ayaka herself, despite having a premium team, has a standalone kit, much moreso than today's characters. I mean, have you tried playing Laumaless Nefer? I'm not even sure if that clears Fearless lunardog, maybe if you have Columbina.
Nowadays, if Ayaka released - well, you don't have to imagine it - it would be something like Skirk, who is tied to 2-element teams or must suffer a massive penalty, and has a 5\* support she really really wants. But Skirk and Natlan don't really hold a candle to NK. Skirk still has basic functionality without the premium 5\* supports, as long as she has the element fulfillment.
Look at this cycle - I know so many people who skipped all the prior NK and only have Columbina and can access Lunar reaction, are struggling even with Fearless even though they have the on-banner shilled unit - it's because you need to have both of them (or at least two) to have a good time clearing.
AdministrativeBag4512026-01-26 20:55
Luner charge alone should tell you that genshin is just pay to win now
issm2026-01-26 22:58
Welcome to the live service enshittification curve.
Be nice at launch to draw people in, once player growth slows down, monetize the players you have harder.
Genshin is just a gacha game, and Mihoyo is just a gacha dev.
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Skirk without Escoffier, Flins without Ineffa and Nefer without Lauma are much worse.
Edit: another issue is that Escoffier, Ineffa and Lauma are all limited 5-star characters. Wanderer/Xiao/post-buff main Venti without Faruzan, overload team without Cheveruse are also bad, but Faruzan, Cheveruse are 4-star characters who are usually much easier to get.
Ayaka Escoffier Shenhe Furina
but the topic is dependencies
Whereas this latest Abyss is very hard without Ineffa or Flins. Not to get stars, but to get through at all. Sigurd limits you to Moonsign while Cactus Man limits you to Electro-Charged. I managed to do with with Lunar Bloom by waiting out Cactus dude and Knuckle Duckle, but it was a very close thing. And that was with three premium units, just no Ineffa or Flins.
And then there's the Game Before the Gate, which is virtually impossible for most non-Freeze teams.
But even in modern meta, you can see the difference - C0R0 Ayaka hyperbloom (Furina/Kuki/Nahida) ended up being the lowest cost team (and cheapest as well) to clear Fearless SSA, at only 3 cost. It is because Ayaka herself, despite having a premium team, has a standalone kit, much moreso than today's characters. I mean, have you tried playing Laumaless Nefer? I'm not even sure if that clears Fearless lunardog, maybe if you have Columbina.
Nowadays, if Ayaka released - well, you don't have to imagine it - it would be something like Skirk, who is tied to 2-element teams or must suffer a massive penalty, and has a 5\* support she really really wants. But Skirk and Natlan don't really hold a candle to NK. Skirk still has basic functionality without the premium 5\* supports, as long as she has the element fulfillment.
Look at this cycle - I know so many people who skipped all the prior NK and only have Columbina and can access Lunar reaction, are struggling even with Fearless even though they have the on-banner shilled unit - it's because you need to have both of them (or at least two) to have a good time clearing.
Be nice at launch to draw people in, once player growth slows down, monetize the players you have harder.
Genshin is just a gacha game, and Mihoyo is just a gacha dev.