Strongest PVP characters fighting. Expectations: Mavuika vs Nefer. Reality:
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jesthingjester2026-01-27 01:13
Bro cmon. Barbara solos. She’s the literal hydro archon
JackfruitNatural54742026-01-27 01:14
And Noelle is geo archon who went through Saitama training, this is the most fair battle ever!
But I don't think Teyvat will ever survive the amount of earth shaking and blooms exploding...
jesthingjester2026-01-27 01:17
You’re delusional. Barbara has defeated 10 saitama clones before. Why do you think he became permanently bald?
allmistake22026-01-27 01:22
Your clearly a lore skipper. Those were genetically modified saitama clones with enhanced abilities.
MaikBrightbord2026-01-27 01:24
This conversation wouldn't look out of place in 2020 because of all the PvP theory crafters that got downvoted to oblivion. Look who's laughing now
jesthingjester2026-01-27 01:25
Yea the queen was able to defeat enhanced saitamas. Doesn’t that prove my point further? Or am I missing something?
SecondAegis2026-01-27 01:33
So umm....
Context?
JackfruitNatural54742026-01-27 01:36
Genshin got PVP and those two are actually the strongest characters here. First is unkillable, second has broken mechanics.
Weaponmaster4702026-01-27 01:50
Varka doesn't knight Noelle because deep down he fears what she will become.
StrangeOutcastS2026-01-27 03:20
She breaks mountains accidentally.
She's the strongest character in the game lore wise, she just has to reach her full potential.
TheSynthian2026-01-27 10:27
She is not the strongest character lore wise at all. But most likely the physically strongest regular vision holder.
Due-Memory-69572026-01-27 17:36
She's the strongest, but not the most powerful.
Nero_PR2026-01-27 01:51
Good old days of patch 1.X still haunting HoYo combat design.
Never forget that Barbara had her skill ring nerfed because it'd count a bunch of entities as enemies and she could rival Nilou within certain conditions in bloom due to how skill would work.
Coffee_Mania2026-01-27 02:53
Barbara is unkillable? And Noelle had broken mechanics?
JackfruitNatural54742026-01-27 03:03
Noelle is unkillable. Barbara has broken mechanics...
Coffee_Mania2026-01-27 03:18
Wth what is happening over there lol, can Barbara self revive too? I'd assume Noelle is broken due to her shields and heals
JackfruitNatural54742026-01-27 03:21
Not self revive, but C6 enables healing for revived character(fixed just yesterday) and she has abnormal bloom generation due to E interacting with invisible hilichurls...
Coffee_Mania2026-01-27 03:22
Yesh that'll be nuts I'd imagine. I thought it was only one invisible hillichurl lol
the_dark_artist2026-01-27 10:14
I guess if you stood close to the enemy you interacted with both the dummy hilichurls xD
SoC1752026-01-27 11:50
Yes, but really no.
The particular PvP implementation in wonderland applies a specific rule set and under this those two are broken.
Remove the inhibitory rules or replace them with a different set and it changes
Ryuunoru2026-01-27 18:31
Exactly, it's entirely arbitrary. Some people call it "balancing" but at some point the amount of features removed and characters banned pretty much defeats the purpose.
NA_0_10_never_forget2026-01-27 03:12
... We have pvp????
Gregamonster2026-01-27 03:15
Only in the Wonderland.
NA_0_10_never_forget2026-01-27 03:38
oh. ehhhhhhhhhhhh
Tamamo_was_here2026-01-27 04:35
It’s really fun
Ryuunoru2026-01-27 07:27
Lmao this
alpha-black342026-01-27 03:40
Wait but I heard shield characters are banned, is that not true?
JackfruitNatural54742026-01-27 03:46
On-field shielders are still somehow allowed.
Xinyan, Noelle and Yanfei C4 still terrorizes that pvp mode...
Dane-nii2026-01-27 03:49
Does Hydro Traveler and Kaeya count?
Aaron-Staton02252026-01-27 11:58
not sure about traveler but Kaeya's c4 isn't really the most accesible so there would be far less of them compared to the others already mentioned
SoC1752026-01-27 11:47
Not quite.
Someone made pseudo-pvp in wobderland and under the specific rule set they chose to apply those two are the strongest.
But that's really only a result of the arbitrary rule set applied
Ryuunoru2026-01-27 07:26
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Princess_Moe2026-01-27 07:57
first time encountering balancing in games?
u/Ryuunoru blocked me lol
Ryuunoru2026-01-27 08:00
Bruh, this is a single person manipulating character rankings in a custom game.
SwidEevee2026-01-27 01:40
As a Barbara main... FINALLY! She's meta again. Sort of.
jesthingjester2026-01-27 01:43
Again? Was she ever meta? 🫣
Lovace2026-01-27 01:45
She was meta for the first few days when Nilou came out before they fixed an unintended "bug".
SectorApprehensive582026-01-27 04:38
I still used Barbara for my nilou teams until Columbina. Kokomi could never have the hilarity nor flexibility of cat-box roadkills
Icee3032026-01-27 10:36
May I ask what bloom team do you have with Nilou and Columbina?
External-Ad-55372026-01-27 10:47
Probably lauma, bina, nilou, nahida/baizhu(depending if lauma c1 or not)
I personally use one with baizhu cuz I don’t have c1 for lauma. It works pretty well.
Might also be 1dendro 3 hydro.
SectorApprehensive582026-01-27 11:29
very close. i use nahida when serious. thanks to the self dmg bloom nerf, prototype bina is enough. along with her massive hp pool for tanking. occasionally i would swap in nilou to tank a nuke as well just to give her hp tank some use
External-Ad-55372026-01-27 12:50
Self dmg was nerfed? Is it rly low enough that just pAmber is enough?
SectorApprehensive582026-01-27 13:41
Low enough for me. But I play on controller so dodging isn't an issue. I noticed in 6.0 when my Barbara was taking much less self damage, significantly less
arshesney2026-01-27 11:02
Cat-box means Kirara then Lauma
rulerguy62026-01-27 21:36
Honestly I still think for Nilou blooms, there's an argument to be made for Nilou/Dendro flex (usually Nahida)/Lauma/Barbara instead of Columbina. On top of the argument of "bloom needs a healer"
Columbina turns Lauma's bloom buffs into lunar-bloom buffs, and turn it into a Lunar bloom team. Except Lunar bloom is... Really weird. Remember the blooms exploding doesn't actually count as lunar bloom damage. Only Lauma's hold skill, Columbina's CA, and Nefer's infused CA's actually do that damage. And of the 3 Nefer's the only one who does that at all consistently.
So you're trading some extra bloom damage for more Lunar bloom damage. Unless you're running Nefer, then that hardly matters.
Barbara being a healer with quite fast NA's who can be pumped full of EM makes it so that normal Nilou bloom is still really powerful. And the heal following you and being team-wide outside of the ultimate window is the advantage over Kokomi.
SectorApprehensive582026-01-27 23:06
O i agree, there definitely is still an argument for that there. Until you hit ascendent gleam shill enemies. Then I had to replace Barbara for columbina. Fuck ascendent gleam shills
SwidEevee2026-01-27 01:56
I mean... I feel like she wasn't *not* meta early in the game when there weren't many healers available? Idk, I never built Bennett 😂
blippyblip2026-01-27 03:06
Benny is legit crap at early AR tbh. So much of his kit is locked behind his burst...
Which will only be seen once in a blue moon by new players without fully leveled 5-star artifact sets, max level/refinement weapons, and max ascension/cons.
It's why those 1.0 tierlists ranked Qiqi so damn high and Bennett so damn low. Having consistent, on-demand healing on her E made Qiqi's teammates nigh invincible.
Liteseid2026-01-27 06:09
THIS! Idk why people still forget how different the game is when leveling. Burst reliant characters are absolute garbage until like AR58
Physical-Command21302026-01-27 06:56
you mean ar48 right?
Offduty_shill2026-01-27 18:04
wouldn't go that far lol it's until you can have good ER which is usually when you start getting 5 star artifacts
though it can be earlier if you just level a ER weapon with 4 star ER sands, Bennet also ascends ER iirc
Gregamonster2026-01-27 03:14
Even with few healers available, applying Hydro to yourself is suicide.
MarcoCornelio2026-01-27 01:56
Look at the healers in early patches, it was either her or nothing, since Bennet is terrible for overworld exploration
bakahyl2026-01-27 02:28
I remember the very early grass and burning bug in genshin in which Bennet became a huge liability in the overworld.
I think burning scaled more harshly with your world level and you would die within seconds on burning grass before they nerfed the burn damage.
PrestigiousIdea74712026-01-27 03:49
Honestly, that was the best of times. The hilarity of Bennett and Diluc (who were quite meta at the time) hopelessly dying to a forest fire of their own creation was very on brand.
SectorApprehensive582026-01-27 04:36
especially Diluc. Such a fake-ass batman, to be afraid of a little fire of his own making. Also edgy enough to immolate himself as well
jademarlodotcom2026-01-27 02:52
Except in Dragonspine during early game, then you'd want Bennet there over Barbs.
Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-27 02:15
Back in the days dps barbara would hit 50k charged attack damage. And considering the hp of enemies 50k is not to be underestimated.
Spoopy_Kirei2026-01-27 05:43
The pyro hypostasis killer
Scared-Ad-48462026-01-27 02:25
> Was she ever meta
"When was she ever not meta" fix that fo you.
YannFrost2026-01-27 02:37
She is the only character that got nerfed twice.
Pollsmor2026-01-27 03:35
Will be thrice when these PvP maps invent some way of implementing it without invisible hilichurls!
AceWissle2026-01-27 10:18
How is she meta now? Genuine question, what changed?
SwidEevee2026-01-27 14:02
Not in the main game, just apparently in this pvp mode. I wouldn't know for myself since I've never played much Miliastria.
Formal_Condition26912026-01-28 00:50
I used Barbara for side B of the abyss this cycle! With a sac fragments she does a good job of splashing all the little ducks on Knuckle Duckle.
(I don’t have any Nod Krai characters barring Aino)
Dracoblackheart2026-01-27 01:41
Defense over offense
CowardlyPrince2026-01-27 02:03
... or both?
lodol2026-01-27 02:09
My goddess Noelle mentioned!!!
SonicBoom5002026-01-27 02:26
I’m thinking anyone with some sustain has a better chance of winning these kinds of fights 😆😅
dasbtaewntawneta2026-01-27 02:50
healing is actually disabled, Noelle is broken because shield, Barbara i'm unaware why she's considered broken
SonicBoom5002026-01-27 02:50
Right, makes sense
JackfruitNatural54742026-01-27 03:05
Barbara has C6 and her E hits invisible hilichurls and players - quadrupling the bloom generation. And also yesterday she had fixed bug which enabled healing of revived character...
uswhole2026-01-27 10:12
they patched thank to this post T.T
JackfruitNatural54742026-01-27 10:25
Not thank to this post but indeed thank to me cuz I myself reported this bug directly to creator(Dodo_Rexy).
This mode proves that survivability can be important, and not just damage dealt within shitty little time. Honestly, nowadays shields exist only for ‘interruption resistance’ and heals only exist for Furina.
Ryuunoru2026-01-27 07:28
This mode proves that outcomes depend on what the mode creator decides.
candidateofscaling2026-01-27 02:55
So doomed yuri?
Koanos2026-01-27 04:45
MIka: My time has come.
Nara_RyUko2026-01-27 03:46
Immovable object vs. Unstoppable force 😂😂
Dane-nii2026-01-27 03:47
Albedo with Crystalize spam
Seductiveegirl012026-01-27 03:59
As a Barbara player… yes! She’s finally relevant again. More or less.
Iamliterallyfood2026-01-27 04:28
Noelle is immortal
Gremlinonthebus2026-01-27 05:01
You merely adopted the meta. I was born in it, moulded by it!
JackfruitNatural54742026-01-27 05:15
"Don't quote Barbara's deep recent meta analysis to me
I was Barbara main when she was first written."
Rk1llz2026-01-27 05:25
Only because the actual strongest characters got banned
blizg2026-01-27 05:45
Yeah. Chasca with cryo just flies away and freezes Barbara, lol
Confident_River_35832026-01-27 09:42
Expectations: Legendary PvP showdown
Reality: T pose dominance
AceWissle2026-01-27 10:19
Just heal Noelle's curse, Barbara. Something is keeping her from being a knight, must be a curse
TheSynthian2026-01-27 10:30
I don’t know, I have beaten a Noelle user before (only one I came across), maybe he was a noob.
I was using Mavuika and I just picked up shards like they did. And my damage was better than her, so in the end I outlasted her.
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But I don't think Teyvat will ever survive the amount of earth shaking and blooms exploding...
Context?
She's the strongest character in the game lore wise, she just has to reach her full potential.
Never forget that Barbara had her skill ring nerfed because it'd count a bunch of entities as enemies and she could rival Nilou within certain conditions in bloom due to how skill would work.
The particular PvP implementation in wonderland applies a specific rule set and under this those two are broken.
Remove the inhibitory rules or replace them with a different set and it changes
Xinyan, Noelle and Yanfei C4 still terrorizes that pvp mode...
Someone made pseudo-pvp in wobderland and under the specific rule set they chose to apply those two are the strongest.
But that's really only a result of the arbitrary rule set applied
u/Ryuunoru blocked me lol
I personally use one with baizhu cuz I don’t have c1 for lauma. It works pretty well.
Might also be 1dendro 3 hydro.
Columbina turns Lauma's bloom buffs into lunar-bloom buffs, and turn it into a Lunar bloom team. Except Lunar bloom is... Really weird. Remember the blooms exploding doesn't actually count as lunar bloom damage. Only Lauma's hold skill, Columbina's CA, and Nefer's infused CA's actually do that damage. And of the 3 Nefer's the only one who does that at all consistently.
So you're trading some extra bloom damage for more Lunar bloom damage. Unless you're running Nefer, then that hardly matters.
Barbara being a healer with quite fast NA's who can be pumped full of EM makes it so that normal Nilou bloom is still really powerful. And the heal following you and being team-wide outside of the ultimate window is the advantage over Kokomi.
Which will only be seen once in a blue moon by new players without fully leveled 5-star artifact sets, max level/refinement weapons, and max ascension/cons.
It's why those 1.0 tierlists ranked Qiqi so damn high and Bennett so damn low. Having consistent, on-demand healing on her E made Qiqi's teammates nigh invincible.
though it can be earlier if you just level a ER weapon with 4 star ER sands, Bennet also ascends ER iirc
I think burning scaled more harshly with your world level and you would die within seconds on burning grass before they nerfed the burn damage.
"When was she ever not meta" fix that fo you.
(I don’t have any Nod Krai characters barring Aino)
We had a lot of fun memeing on this in twitter
https://x.com/Dodo_Rexy/status/2015261328286388658
I was Barbara main when she was first written."
Reality: T pose dominance
I was using Mavuika and I just picked up shards like they did. And my damage was better than her, so in the end I outlasted her.