it’s kinda insane when you think about how hoyoverse treated capitano compared to columbina

this suddenly just sprung into my mind and wow.

columbina, over 1000 lines, most prominent character of 6.X, archon like figure, playable, stronger than nearly every playable character, a whole new running and jumping animation, an entire new reaction built around her, gets wings modeled after her, gets an entire permanent event with a new and updating story on her weekly.

capitano 1st of the harbingers, \~150 lines, 30 minutes of screentime, never really shown doing anything outside of 2 scenes, zero interactions or story about time in fatui, appears after a while of not being on screen and then dies (kind of), gets turned into a mute and stationary piece of scenery.

i wonder what inspired the developers to give such contrasting treatment to two characters that hail from the same organization. i really hope pantalone doesn’t get this same treatment lol.

thoughts?

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bobwuzhere12242026-01-27 06:00

Capitano finally got to take a nap.

Iffem2026-01-27 06:07

yeah, they both got exactly what they wanted

Yuri_VHkyri2026-01-27 06:24

Cap finally gets rest after 500 years walking the earth with a few hundred souls in tow whilst putting a middle finger towards the gods

And these glazers want to continue his suffering 🫠

bobwuzhere12242026-01-27 06:38

Yeah, let him sleep for a bit, he'll wake up when it's time to be playable.

Fawkes-y2026-01-27 06:02

Firstly, I love Columbina, so I’m not disparaging her by any means. But Hoyoverse has a pretty significant bias towards female characters, and it shows in the writing, designs, and kits. It felt particularly prominent (in my opinion) in the 5.x patch cycle.

Edit: Obviously there are good and bad male and female characters. Obviously there is nuance. I’m not trying to do a hot take here. Genshin is definitely more balanced in this regard than other gacha games. This also isn’t the whole answer, of course, just part of why they make the choices they do when it comes to characters and the narrative.

Grouchy_Gap452026-01-27 06:04

Kinich has a great kit, and a rather cohesive design, wdym?

Fawkes-y2026-01-27 06:07

He does, I agree. I’m not saying 5.x was entirely absent good male characters.

Clades_Candor2026-01-27 06:07

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Fawkes-y2026-01-27 06:08

I’m aware this isn’t a hot take, lol.

youarenotthatguybruh2026-01-27 06:10

Neuvillette was the best at his time , same Alhaitham, durin , kinich was great , flins . There is no bias when released. There are luckluster female and male . Is not like all males are bad and all females are good

Just_a_captain_III2026-01-27 06:02

I mean many won't admit but it's a fact that Capitano was done dirty as a character and that if his story ends here he's probably one of the worst handeld Genshin characters.

He has a great conclusion, however the buildup is lackluster and it just kinda happens with his 'lore' shoved into some lines. Hell even his name was just randomly dropped. I cope mostly that his lack of relevance and lore was because Hoyo was saving him but honestly I'm prepared to be disappointed. Hoyo isn't really one for quality.

Mysticbean64012026-01-27 06:13

yup, great character, great potential. terribly handled and written. i did like his conclusion too but they did nothing with him at all.

Friendly-Muscle89562026-01-27 06:46

Hush, people in this section simply agree with everything the hoyo do and, if necessary, simply make excuses for their actions. No one here cares about the unfair treatment of characters and their fans, because hoyo believe we should only love the characters they themselves love, and hoyo obviously don't give a damn about Capitano (though I still hope they don't), because waifus have always been a priority.

Exdeath-EX2026-01-27 06:06

Just being an 'archon' means you should compare her to those other archons instead.

youarenotthatguybruh2026-01-27 06:06

Capitano wasnt the center of 5.x , Mavuika was like every other archon

Compare him with Arlecchino in. 4.x AQ or dottore in 3.x

Particular_Web32152026-01-27 06:08

saying capitano got the worst harbrigner treatment when arlecchino did a grand total of nothing in the fontaine AQ. while o agree thrain needed more screentime, his lore was good and his conclusion was great, also it's very easy for a nightsoul version of him to be playable like guthred being separate from og thrain.

also columbina is the archon of the NK region.

ComradSupreme2026-01-27 06:12

On the other hand, arle is a playable character, with her own quest, boss fight, and music. And still showed up for nod krai. Cappy is nothing like that at all

Particular_Web32152026-01-27 06:15

I am still on hopium for a playable version of capitano. There's some simulanka references for him and given how nod krai is basically simulanka I hope it can come back to let him be playable for the natlan pyro gnosis interlude.

highlyregarded11552026-01-27 06:18

>nod krai is basically simulanka

What

Particular_Web32152026-01-27 06:28

Lighthouse and lightkeepers

Edge of the world

3 goddesses

A new star rises with help from the three goddesses

Same durin

Forest, city and ink workshop

A NPC wanting to challenge the laws of the world

Rewriting story with descender

Edit: mobile formatting was horseshit

ComradSupreme2026-01-27 06:19

In my humble opinion hoyo is gate keeping his ass, to spike popularity with his release. If a game loses some of its drive, they gonna drop his announcement teaser, make up some lore bullshit and boom! Profits through the roof, especially if he gets to keep his mask and coat on

takenusername50012026-01-27 07:08

> saying capitano got the worst harbrigner treatment

Signora

D0naught2026-01-27 06:08

Columbina is the Regional Archon.

Capitano is like Inazuma Signora. Role is to be the measuring stick for the main villain/ hero. Childe and Sandrone also has this role.

clfr65152026-01-27 06:12

If I had to guess, it's probably because Columbina was always meant to be playable while Capitano probably wasn't. That said, I'm a bit surprised at how underutilized he was. I'd expected at least a boss fight. It seems strange to me that the alleged "strongest of the Harbingers" gets neither a playable unit nor a boss fight. You'd expect at least one or the other.

After what happened to Signora, I never had any real expectation that all of the Harbingers would be playable. There's a good chance that they decided from the very beginning which ones would be playable and which ones wouldn't be. But the Captain feels like a waste. For a video game, it's strange that they would hype up a living character as the "strongest" of a given group, only for him to have no presence whatsoever in terms of gameplay.

Hatarakumaou2026-01-27 06:13

it’s kinda insane when you think about how hoyoverse treated signora compared to capitano

this suddenly just sprung into my mind and wow.

capitano, one of the 3 MVP of Natlan, legendary hero figure glazed by basically everyone, has a permanent monument dedicated to his heroism in the over world, equals with extremely powerful figures like Mavuika and Varka despite being severely nerfed, get to be first person in Teyvat achieving victory over the Shades.

signora the flame witch, 20 minutes of screentime across 3 chapters, never really shown doing anything outside of kicking a twink, interactions or story about time in fatui are told posthumously, appears after a while of not being on screen and get executed for crimes another Harbringer committed, gets turn into ash after losing to Inazuma Traveler, only thing to remember her by is a piece of accessory kept as a trophy by her co-murderer

i wonder what inspired the developers to give such contrasting treatment to two characters that hail from the same organization. i really hope pantalone doesn’t get this same treatment lol.

thoughts?

Mysticbean64012026-01-27 06:23

meh true yet also signora was utilised more and achieved more for the organisation than the number 1 ranked harbinger. we also got more actual interactions with other harbingers even though she died around half a decade ago.

Hatarakumaou2026-01-27 06:33

> meh true yet also signora still had more of a role to play, was utilised more

Kick Venti after everything was resolved > Disappear > Pick up gnosis from Zhongli after everything was resolved > Disappear > tries to pick up gnosis from Ei after everything was resolved only to get executed in a region with literally no ties to her as a character.

Ah yes much role, many utilized.

Tschmelz2026-01-27 06:45

Literally just exists to make us hate the Fatui off the bat.

Riersa2026-01-27 06:58

To be fair she did a great job making us hate Fatui.

Mysticbean64012026-01-27 07:04

and that’s still more than what they did with capitano, crazy right?

Hatarakumaou2026-01-27 07:06

Not responding at all was probably less shameful than posting this.

Mysticbean64012026-01-27 07:13

why

notthatjaded2026-01-27 16:27

To be (minutely) fair...Signora didn't show up in Inazuma after everything was resolved (just that that's the only time *we* see her in the flesh). We (the players, the Traveler doesn't realize that's who it is) learn early on that she had been on Ritou talking to the Kanjou Commissioner right before we arrived and that's why he gave us such ridiculous tasks to do in order to prevent us from moving on to Narukami Island.

We also know from what Scaramouche says to us in the Delusion Factory (and from his conversation with Signora that we see in his Interlude quest where she hands the factory over to him right before the Traveler shows up in it) that he wasn't really the one running things to start with.

So she *was* doing stuff there, it's just that Hoyo didn't go out of their way to actually demonstrate it on screen (like they do with a lot of stuff where you're expected to just understand important stuff happened off-screen...like how Ayato works behind the scenes, for instance).

KualaWick2026-01-27 06:55

it’s kinda insane when you think about how hoyoverse treated the 10th harbinger compared to signora

this suddenly just sprung into my mind and wow.

signora the flame witch, the one who took the Anemo Gnosis and Geo gnosis, had a whole artifact set dedicated to her lore, made a weekly boss, had a funeral animation, had other characters' voicelines about her, still has a piece of herself permanently present in everyone's inventory, had many official merchandise of her image, is a playable card in the TCG mode

the 10th harbinger, no one knows their name, no one knows how they look like, no one is even sure if they exists, 5 years and still nothing, "if" and "will" but never "is".

i wonder what inspired the developers to give such contrasting treatment to two characters that hail from the same organization. i really hope pantalone doesn’t get this same treatment lol.

thoughts?

Right-Silver73542026-01-27 06:18

does this comparison make any sense?

Mysticbean64012026-01-27 06:24

comparing two ‘harbingers’ from the top 3? yeah