Which more futureproof, skirk or nefer premium?

looking to build a premium team, and i cant decide between these two. I know current content favors nod krai units rn, but what about in the future?

Imo, lunar reactions are kinda gimmicky and i dont know if hoyo will keep releasing new nod krai units. meanwhile the cryo nation is around the corner and atleast one of the new units there would work with skirk or escoffier or furina right?

looking even further down the road, even if skirk hypercarry is considered useless cant ppl just slot her as a burst sub dps?

i really dont know if its just me or is the ascendent gleam thing too restrictive? wont older less gimmicky teams(mav, skirk) last longer?

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Clades_Candor2026-01-29 08:33

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Key-Influence-56782026-01-29 09:55

Yes but woulndt that mean esco would be top meta again

Clades_Candor2026-01-29 10:23

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narium2026-01-29 11:35

Skirk would still be meta, you’ll just play her as a sub DPS. She’s the best 4th slot option for cryo teams. The current Skirk team would happily play two Skirks if it could.

As a bonus subDPS Skirk doesn’t need any hydro either.

Clades_Candor2026-01-29 11:43

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narium2026-01-29 12:04

The cryo team 4th slot options are so chopped that single cryo sub dps Skirk is the best option in a superconduct team, even after factoring in two hypothetical dedicated superconduct supports. It’s that bad.

(Escoffier technically has higher MVs, but Skirk can use the omegabroken Moonweaver’s Dawn)

Clades_Candor2026-01-29 12:06

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narium2026-01-29 12:09

And yet the Flins and Nefer premium teams are using Sucrose as their BiS, a literal 1.0 4 star, at C0.

Also, Escoffier is straight up worse in superconduct than Skirk.

Clades_Candor2026-01-29 12:10

Yeah, and skirk is nowhere near as flexible as sucrose, sucrose fits into like 10 more teams than skirk does to begin with, what's ur point?

Coping is free but let's be reasonable, skirk will be outdated by then just like every other 2+ year old dps.

narium2026-01-29 11:28

If there is a new cryo dps the team would still be using Skirk because the 4th slot options are all horrible.

Sky_striker_Raye2026-01-29 08:37

Cant help u if we dont know what u currently have. Future proof or not. Heavily depending on your line up. If u have no lauma or columbina. Then nefer will not be a good pick. Or if u dont have escoffier, then Skirk value will be dragged down by a lot. Also the entire "future proof" mentality for the most part not suits genshin because of how characters work in this game. Have u seen weird pick like ifa and he absolutely wreck some abyss recently? Team synergy always the head over character individual strength.

fubukishirou072026-01-29 08:37

Skirk is not really a versetile dps when it comes to team building compare to other powerful dps like that of arlechinno or neuvillette. Same goes for nefer. Both skirk and nefer only really excel on one type of reaction so i would'nt call them as future proof unit.

Key-Influence-56782026-01-29 08:42

Does that apply to columbina aswell? Cause she only works best with nod krai dpses, and there arent many of them

fubukishirou072026-01-29 08:48

Well depending on her build and artifact, columbina can be a powerful dps since she's not really tied down to a single reaction. So long she has another nod krai unit on her team like lauma or ineffa then she's a great dps.

SecyaDenali2026-01-29 09:20

Arlecchino and Nuevillete are not powerful dpses in the this day and age their wheelchairs are stronger than them

In fact Sara C6, MDPS Ineffa, Bina, Sucrose calcs ahead of Arlecchino melt, Nuev "hypercarry" both at C0

Its the same deal with Bina, Lauma, Ineffa and Bina as the MDPS.

fubukishirou072026-01-29 09:35

They still powerful dps even today you know. The fact that those 2 dps are versetile on team building and can dish alot of damage say's alot about their future proof on the game.

SecyaDenali2026-01-29 09:40

Not at c0 definetly not

Zibai, Mualani, Mav, Varesa, Flins, Nefer, Bineffa, LaumaBina, LaumaBineffa, Gaming at C6

All perform better in testing at C0 RO in their bis teams. Heck Navia has an almost 45% damage profile (with facilitating geo reaction) with Bineffa and is way less of a wheelchair than Arle/Nuev is

Nuev and Arlecchino are sheet merchants like proper Nuevillete hypercarry is barely hitting above 90k and Arlecchino melt is about the same, Gaming is lowkey smoking in those totals

Arlecchino is actually performing the worst out of the lot because white tassel is very scammy on BOL calc sheets it gets worse with moving targets..

They are old dpses by todays standards. Its like of you gigabuff them the team dps is less its more if you just give them the wheelchair instead

If you want some proof a Navia fearless C0 R0 clear was very comfortable in comparision
because she is a character that has ideal synergy in her kit

Nuev/Arle hypercarry/melt is not clearing that helldog like that no chance.

fubukishirou072026-01-29 09:44

Then there's something really wrong with your build since my neuvi can hit as much as 150k same with arlecchino. Neuvi and arle are great at multiple waves of enemies.

SecyaDenali2026-01-29 10:02

..... do you know what team dps is lmao thats like saying Raiden can ult for over 200k

So? Xiangling did more damage overall

fubukishirou072026-01-29 10:09

Even without xiangling and just using kazuha, xilonen, and furina's fanfare, neuvi can still hit over 150k. Some people just cant get over that neuvi is still a great dps i mean yes there are newer dps that can out compete him in terms of damage but compare to other older unit he is still great.

MrDrugnut2026-01-29 08:38

nothing can be future proof anymore with how specific boss designs have become. at any point they can say "this boss is immune to cryo" and at any point they can also say "lunar damage heals instead"

in any case, geo's long awaited rework is locked behind lunar crystalise so i guess columbina is cool

4GRJ2026-01-29 08:39

Mainly boils down to how much does Hoyo want to shill Lunar reactions

Outside of shilling, I'd say the gap between them isn't too big. I think Nefer does more damage, but Skirk can Freeze cheese

issm2026-01-29 08:39

Lunar gimmicks don't boost the new character as much as they hamstring the old characters.

I'm fairly sure that with Columbina's release, Nefer premium outdamages Skirk premium ignoring all gimmicks.

Not to mention, the parts of Nefer premium are still useful when broken apart, while the parts of Skirk premium are basically all focused on enabling that one single freeze team.

AlaindeshoGT2026-01-29 08:39

Two different tools for different things.

Skirky won't be able to do what Nefer does. Why not both?

rosybuttcheeks__2026-01-29 08:41

I personally believe there is simply no future proof units/gameplay/gimmicks. We know nothing about what the future shill is. The top DPS right now can fall behind if devs decide to create bosses to deincintivise their use.
Best to just go for teams you genuinely enjoy and love.

In ZZZ, everybody thought Miyabi would be "future proof" but there you go, bosses of the recent patches are shilled against her. She is still fantastic, and she still does clear, but there is active effort in suppresing her potential.

PhyrexianRogue2026-01-29 08:43

None of them, unused Primo's are the only future proof. Trying to pull a team for years from now is pointless, we don't know the future. Meta shifts, power creep happens. It's impossible to know how well any current characters will do in the future.

It's also irrelevant, given how much of a gap there is between 'top meta' and what's actually necessary to clear. A good team now will still work then, even it will be worse for that meta than whatever the new units that meta revolves around will be.

Unrelated; what makes you say Ascendant Gleam (have 2 NK units) is more restrictive/gimmicky than Mavuika (have 2 Natlan units) or Skirk (only 2 elements allowed)? It's same level for me (and Skirk bit worse).

Key-Influence-56782026-01-29 09:46

Yes but won t they keep released cryo/hydro chars while nod krai is ending soon

PhyrexianRogue2026-01-29 10:14

Probably, but Skirk already has (imo) a near-perfect team for the one thing she does. There'll be other Cryo/Hydro's, but outside of extreme power creep I doubt there'll be many that actually change Skirks (optimal) teams.

Frozenmagicaster2026-01-29 08:50

Nefer could get cooked with auras and we’ll see when lunar shilling ends

While Skirk is more just raw damage

KyrrithK2026-01-29 08:51

It's hard to say really, but your reasons for Skirk are true enough that she's probably the winner.

* Both get pretty screwed by innate auras that aren't Hydro, Skirk less so.
* Both have an expensive 'core' team of three 5\* units, with Nefer getting more DPS from having all 3 (150k vs 130k).
* Both cores seem pretty much capped for the forseeable future, Furina is the oldest and I doubt they'd powercreep her significantly. But maybe we get a new Hydro+Cryo duo that needs resonance and they push Furina out of the team? I don't ever see them replacing Lauma or Bina for Nefer though, or at least not for many years.
* Nefer's 4th slot is much more flexible, enabling her to deal with more mechanic checks, like Bennett 4th vs the Pyro Mech boss for Burning, or Zhongli for Geo constructs/shields for example. Skirk is locked to just more Cryo/Hydro.
* Skirk has the benefit of being able to be a burst sub DPS, while Nefer is strictly on-field DPS. For example against the Crab, some people I've seen have Neuvi+Skirk, with Skirk there to burst on the short window while the Crab is stunned.
* All of the supports are very flexible for when the DPS gets power-crept, Columbina probably the least so if you don't end up getting an alternative Lunar team. Which like you said, new Lunar teams after Nod Krai are unlikely, but new Cryo DPS' are not 'restricted'.
* (Also keep in mind we only actually get 1-2 units of each nation's element for that nation, so Snez may not necessarily be overflowing with Cryo units)
* Having at least one Lunar team to deal with these shill bosses every time a NK unit gets a rerun is most likely going to be a positive, but hopefully not a requirement. We got the shocktrooper back and his HP didn't increase, so if (god forbid) powercreep continues really fast, by the time this Abyss Dog or Herra or Sigurd reruns in endgame, we might have more non-Lunar teams capable of brute-forcing it.

Personally, I wasn't really a fan of Nefer's playstyle, but Skirk was more interesting to me, so I'd pick Skirk if I had to pull again. But each to their own, maybe Nefer's higher DPS is more of a factor for you. Especially if you're looking at vertical investment to keep the team 'meta' for longer, Nefer's team's goes crazy while Skirk's is still good, but not as amazing.

narium2026-01-29 12:22

Skirk really only gets screwed by innate dendro or pyro aura. She still triggers void rifts on superconduct, and (cryo) swirl/crystallize.

KyrrithK2026-01-29 12:31

Innate Dendro is fine, that's how Hyperfridge works, because Cryo+Dendro auras exist together, and Hydro applied to that triggers Freeze before Bloom. Innate Pyro does suck for Void Rifts, but instead she's Melting half her attacks, and getting about half her skill uptime, so it's not a complete wash.

Whereas Nefer, if it's not Innate Hydro or Dendro, Nefer gets no Dew, no enhanced CAs at all, and deals like 30% of her normal DPS.

narium2026-01-29 12:35

Fair. Funnily enough subdps burst Skirk doesn’t care about void rifts at all (unless you have cons) because you can path into a 2hE rotation. Something like Skirk hE, main carry field time, Skirk hE Q.

SecyaDenali2026-01-29 09:07

Nefer especially if you have Ineffa and her premium team. And obviously her and the teams vertical is as strong or stronger than anybodys (Laumas c2 is dumb btw)

Nefer is ahead by a good 30+k dps as Skirk combo is not easy to do, a well known tc guy couldnt do it

In fact after checking alot of testing for an average gamer on difficulty

Mav melt is hardest as it is very input reliant and big drops in dps is mistimed which will happen

Skirk combo hard

Nefer dash cancel extremely easy in comparision

Tried all 3, I do feel Mav calcers/players are a abit of a scam its very precise to get very optimal

Anyway Ineffa takes care of LC mechanics, Aoe, sustain so Nefers vulnerability is a complete non issue now

Most important thing is only 3 characters in the game can actually take advantage of Laumas quills which is herself, Bina and Nefer and Nefer has by far the better motion value on her CAs.

Whereas Escoffier is non plussed who takes advantage of 55% res shred either Hydro or Cryo carry.

In the sense Skirk, Flins, Varesa, Mavuika are less futureproof than Nefer its just because their supports are more generalized

Citlali is the best pyro melt support and non descript so make a better pyro carry

Escoffier hydro/cryo carry

Flins/Varesa make a better electro and so forth

If you wanted to out Nefer from top spot it would be the whole thing not just one character because if they bring in a better support than say Lauma for cryo it just makes skirk less valuable. Support impact

GetFiltered2026-01-29 09:13

Always bet on Cryo getting shafted, Hoyo never misses the opportunity to do so.

marapapiyas072026-01-29 09:23

If snezhnaya come with another shenanigan with Freeze then Skirk is still pretty decent with her front load and NA combos

But we live in present so current Nefer is looking good with any shill or regular enemy she is better than skirk

I have seen so many people argue bosses with innate elemental aura could hinder Lunar dps but it's also true for all reaction based dps like how mavuika can't be played in her best set up melt with several bosses or overload is good but not that ceiling we talk about

At the end I will like to push the Zybau agenda

Key-Influence-56782026-01-29 09:53

Sorry whats the zybai agenda? Is she more futureproof than both of them?

marapapiyas072026-01-29 10:04

Agendas are pushed regardless of their viability so that's one thing settled

Geo being literally with no actual reactions and just rainbow shield was decent but Zibai having a good reaction within the elemental + liyue origin

And there are leaks about Linnea being Lcr support but I don't recommend blindly follow them but leaker has a good strike rate up until now

Her being 4th in Dps list (technically 3rd mav 170 k 7 melt is butterfly dream and nigh impossible for mobile players) with C6 gorou literally changes here position after getting a 5 star support this is the agenda and that' all. I put it there just for fun no offense to other DPS

Helgen_2026-01-29 09:54

Well there will be a new mechanic for Cryo during the next region but we can't know if it will make Lunar meta goes from 100 to 0... I want to believe that Freeze will get something but we never know maybe they focus on Cryo+Dendro, on Melt, on Cryo+Anemo....
At this point Physical (Superconduct), Swirl, Freeze (vs bosses) and Shatter are the worst reactions (Burn and Burgeon are okayish but u know) so who knows if they keep "refreshing" outdated reactions like they're doing now with Electrocharge, Bloom and Cristallize...
Vape and Melt are fine, Lunar reactions are fine, Overload and Hyperbloom keep working fine, even mono element teams are decent with the right set up. I won't say we will be getting a ton of Cryo characters in 7.X since we got 1 pyro during Natlan and 1 Hydro 5* during Nod Krai so.... yeah Aino counts but. I think more buffs are coming for older characters so yeah, meta will be wahatever they want it to be.

jinchuriki_host_2026-01-29 10:25

With ongoing powercreep trend nothing's future proof but despite being a lunar DPS nefer is dendro and as we all know that dendro works very well against all the elemental resistances (except dendro obviously) so that could be a plus point.

monoxn2026-01-29 12:24

while skirk is the older unit, and her premium team is a bit weaker than nefer's, she's definitely shown meta resilience and has been usable in every stygian onslaught so far. she has flexibility in being both an on-fielder and a burst-and-swap-out unit. freeze has also been good in countering a lot of different boss mechanics, and i think she gets screwed over less by non-hydro enemy auras.