With how much Paimon freaked out in the Luna IV story, how do you think it might go if she was put in the Traveler's position? (spoilers)

When Dottore abducts the Traveler, we once against see Paimon completely freaking out and bawling. However, I have to wonder what would happen if Paimon were the one to get abducted at some point. I can't imagine the Traveler bawling over it, but being downright out for the blood of whoever took her.

It's frankly something I'm anticipating at some point in the future. Some villain or such party is eventually going to go with the logic that targeting the Traveler themselves is a bad idea, but their fairy companion? Easy target. And by holding Paimon hostage, the Traveler is put into a very tough spot.

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Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 16:05

Realistically no,that wouldn't happen,but at the same time,traveler's and paimon's relation is very weird,if you dk,in the game's lore,very few people actually have traveler's trust,and even less know his real name or identity(loads of those were forced in illogically in nod krai though),however,the traveler has let paimon know from the start with little to no secrets,as for the rest of the world,in the actual lore,traveler barely cares about teyvat,the care you see is cuz he's genuinely a kind character,but it doesn't mean he's actually concerned by it.

darkdill2026-01-29 16:57

You're suggesting the Traveler wouldn't try to save their travel companion if she were in danger?

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 16:59

Yes,actually.A lot of people never bothered on traveller lore if it comes in AQ,and outside it is literally obsolete knowledge,people are freaking out over the new skin description when that shi*s been known since like 2.x versions and hinted since 1.0

IllustratorLast12812026-01-29 17:50

no they definitely would help?

the traveller cares about teyvat and it's inhabitants, they've literally put their life on the line multiple times for the sake of helping/saving others in both archon quests and world quests and the traveller generally only uses lethal force against those who try to harm them and try to help anyone who hasn't actually done anything to them, the traveller even helps out multiple fatui in the chasm because they didn't try to harm them, the traveller literally saw how badly the vision hunt decree affected people in inazuma and decided to help out how did you come to the conclusion that they don't care about teyvat, they don't know all the lore but they clearly care about the world as seen by their actions.

also paimon doesn't know the traveller's true name, the traveller told the abyss sibling "You're the only one in this world who calls me that" in bedtime story when their true name is spoken of and the traveller doesn't really go out of their way to hide their identity as a descender either as far as i remember? they won't actively bring it up for no reason but if them being a descender can be helpful thet do use it like in the case of the 5.3 limited event where they being a descender aren't affected by fetor as descenders so they use that to help hu tao not die.

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 17:58

First of all,like i said,you really dk traveler lore,i want go make it clear to you:the traveler has never been in true danger aside from when he was rerir(kinda not) or dottore(meh),and even then he had a few potential tricks,secondly,the traveler helped inazuma to meet the archon and shi*,also,i already mentioned that the traveler is kind,and inazuma really wasn't shi* for the traveler,easy stuff,believe or not,even his "struggling" is a bs marketing plot,i despise it so much,you don't need to believe me if you don't wanna,i already mentioned that.As for the name thing,this is a basic English thing,which is also where i think you're getting the nod krai lore wrong,i'll explain,but once again,don't believe me if you don't want to,i'm not bothered too much by this game anymore,like i said,they officially took the popular route rather than the correct route from 6.3(not this discussion though),so,the explaining now,the natlan one:He said it cuz Lumine is the only one who actually uses it,the rest don't use it,even if they know it.If you don't believe me,find a single moment someone called him Aether.

IllustratorLast12812026-01-29 18:17

dude cite your sources for your claims, the traveller didn't help in inazuma so they could meet the shogun, ayaka said she'd help them meet the shogun if they just saw the three guys affected by the vision hunt decree.

after the traveller saw what happened to those people they decided to help out becayse they care about the world around them, do you even know what lore you're talking about.

the traveller struggles a lot, he couldn't escape the night kingdom with everyone in act 2 of natlan without mavuika's help(he also willingly went there save kachina btw), he was literally just fodder against the narwhal and neuvillette was basically the only reason the traveller even survived that fight, in sumeru against scaramouche the traveller could only win with literally the entirety of sumeru helping him formulate a plan and also the battle experience of 69 fights, in inazuma he couldn't stand against the shogun are the hopes and dreams of inazuma literally just gave bro enough power to stand against and change her mind, in liyue to defeat osial and beisht all the traveller does was stall for some time before ninguang nuked everything with the jade chamber.

Rerir was a monster too, they barely survive every rerir encounter and they literally had to channel all their power into columbina at which point she could stand up against rerir for like a minute, dottore is a equally terrifying opponent too they only beat him becuase columbina was wielding a power equal to his own.

bedtime story wasn't even the natlan sibling quest it was the fucking 4.x cycle quest and it took place in sumeru and i already said nobody knows the traveller's real name, what they do know though is that the traveller isn't from this world(the idea of saving hu tao wasn't even the traveller's it was zhongli's), many people knew that before nod krai too

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 18:21

You're following the top of the iceberg lore,i'm talking like near the end of it,from your views,yes,you are completely right.Sources are the voicelines,story quests,AQs,sibling quests,and literature understanding(issue with most people,i understand though,most people aren't authors,and they don't play the game for the lore,and they don't focus,they're just enjoying,many skip,problem is you guys do that and then think you know all the lore,if you want me to be specific,i don't remember,if it was 20 days ago,i might even have gave you each specific quotation,but now,like i said,believe or not,it really is pretty irrelevant since they're abandoning all the deep lore they went into,they only care about the popular lore and the basic lore)

IllustratorLast12812026-01-29 18:28

give me the sources it doesn't matter if they aren't following those anymore you are making claims of these existing and that requires proof

darkdill2026-01-29 18:34

Source? [His source is that he made it the fuck up](https://youtu.be/r7l0Rq9E8MY?si=Gf-Kdyobnesu0k-1).

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 18:34

Meh,i already wrote them,not specific i know,and i'm not exactly trying to make you believe me tbh,and it is enough proof as far as i am concerned,especially if you remember the actual lines and events and occurances in the story.I can only remember one exact source rn cuz it's recent,you all claim that the traveler views teyvat as a second home,this that,do you not remember when he literally says "and what does all that have to do with us?" To lumine in natlan when she starts yapping about time,teyvat and khaenri'ah?

IllustratorLast12812026-01-29 18:43

the whole exchange was

"**(‍Traveler‍):** I don't know why

**(‍Traveler‍):** But the way you're talking...

**(‍Traveler‍):** It just doesn't sound like you at all

**(‍Traveler‍):** (‍Lumine‍/‍Aether‍)...

**(‍Traveler‍):** This whole thing

**(‍Traveler‍):** Your plan...

**(‍Traveler‍):** What does it have to do with us?

**(‍Traveler's Sibling‍):** All along...

**(‍Traveler's Sibling‍):** It's only ever been about us

**(‍Traveler's Sibling‍):** Goodbye

**(‍Traveler's Sibling‍):** (‍Aether‍/‍Lumine‍)

**(‍Traveler's Sibling‍):** We will begin anew...

**(‍Traveler's Sibling‍):** At the end of your journey"

this was specifically in regards to the sibling's plan to remake khaenri'ah not in general with tyevat

Flair862026-01-29 19:18

Holy shit. Please learn to use punctuation, this is painful to read.

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 19:28

Plenty of punctuation as far as i'm concerned.

Flair862026-01-29 19:29

Spamming commas is not punctuation. This isn’t 5th grade.

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 19:29

Funny cuz that paragraph is about literature understanding,that's a good chuckle

darkdill2026-01-29 23:11

I'd argue the point with you, but seeing as someone else already did and you're willfully contradicting what's established in the game, I have to assume you're a History Fictionologist at this point.

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-30 08:38

You're free to assume that

ejsks2026-01-29 17:22

It would happen, because Traveler expresses fairly often they grew to genuinely care about Teyvat and consider it their de-facto home (something they express at the end of Luna 4 btw…).

Dottore saying that is just him insinuating that because he‘s a fucking psychopath and cannot comprehend a god-like being like Traveler caring that much for other people he deems "beneath“ him. If the Traveler did not give a damn about Teyvat they wouldn’t risk their neck over and over again to save everyone, to shoulder the biggest burdens so nobody else has to.

The Nod-Krai quest directly points out Varka‘s surprise in Traveler insisting on fighting Rerir alone with Nefer, while everybody else stays back.

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 17:25

It's cuz it's related to khaenri'ah,also,you didn't focus properly,that said,i will say that yes,Luna IV officially began contradicting the official lore and focusing on the popular lore,even so,the particular thing you're talking about was not much focused on,as for the second home,that was explained in the Chasm Siblings quest,and then again in the recent Natlan sibling quest,did you not do it or smth?So yeah,no.Would it happen?yes,could it be completely lore-accurate for it to not happen?absolutely.I already put emphasis on that.

ejsks2026-01-29 17:28

Bro use the goddamn space bar.

And Luna 4 isn’t contradicting anything. The story has long established that the Traveler cares about Teyvat, because despite their goal they‘re still a selfless person.

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 17:32

No,it has not,and idk why reddit doesn't consider the enter symbol,it just erases it,i don't use the spacebar like that

ejsks2026-01-29 17:34

It has lol

Idk where you see Traveler not giving a shit about Teyvat except a single time in Inazuma. But otherwise they still deeply care about the friends they‘ve made.

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 17:36

Wdym except a single time in inazuma?there was no such time in inazuma,and it just hasn't,like i said,you didn't focus,i get what you're saying,it's a very common misunderstanding,but i don't really care tbh,i'm very certain they'll go with others' versions of the lore,so ig mine in meaningless,which if you want,you can call me delusional for it.That said,i didn't say the traveler doesn't give a single shi*.

ejsks2026-01-29 18:33

I'm calling you delusional because you keep arguing for some reason that Traveler doesn't care about Teyvat when the entire game is about them following the footsteps of the Abyss Twin to understand them, which includes learning why the Abyss Twin sacrificed the ability to go home because they started caring for the people inhabiting Teyvat.

If the Traveler "didn't care" about Teyvat like you said, 80% of the main story wouldn't happen; the Traveler would just be like the start of the Inazuma arc and go "actually, I don't care" and keep going to the next region searching for their sibling.

The same applies for Traveler caring about Paimon, they treat them like their younger sibling, they canonically spend every day with each other, and are best friends. \*If\* Paimon would get kidnapped like Traveler did in Luna4, Traveler would go above and beyond to rescue her.

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 18:36

If you read everything,i'm surprised you're saying the same shi* i already reply to?...i don't mind you calling me delusional but your post is meaningless otherwise.

ejsks2026-01-29 18:47

Because you provide no evidence or examples except "read the entire story", and write in such an incomprehensible way I barely know what you're trying ot tell me.

Maybe if you had actual examples that prove your point that Traveler doesn't care about Teyvat, I'd entertain the idea, but all you're saying is "Read everything, because I'm right and Hoyo changed the lore!!!!". Yeah nobody is going to believe you or take you seriously.

Jia-the-Human2026-01-29 17:52

You know people evolve, and attachment to things grow with time right? It doesn’t matter if Traveller cared or not about Teyvat during the chasm quest, it doesn’t matter what is stablished during Natlan, the lore is just lore, it’s the past, and just as Columbina used to not car about anything but developed new attachments and friendships, Traveller could have grown more attached to Teyvat with time, and that’s exactly why he says in the most recent events of the story, so the lore now is simply that Traveller does now care about Teyvat regardless of how he felt about it in the past…

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 18:01

Not how that works first of all,secondly that's not true,thirdly columbina always cared,she just cared about more things with time,you're talking like she was an empty emotionless husk,by that logic you are also cold since you are vary of strangers and dc much about them,Lastly,do you have any idea how old the traveller is?"with time",this is like 5 minutes to him.

Jia-the-Human2026-01-29 18:08

Of all the posts you’ve made I think I only agree with one thing you’ve said: “ig mine is meaningless, which if you want, you can calle me delusional for it” I think I’ll just settle with that… you’re not a writer for the game, you’re not a dev, your personal interpretation of the lore when contradicted by the game itself are nothing more than a headcanon.

Soloking_Itachi2026-01-29 18:09

Call it that then,if it works for you.

HumsterMKI2026-01-29 16:49

I bet x1000 Mint that the Enemies did gave that a thought.

But, that idea was blown over after a while for unknow reasons and never came up again.

DoshesToDoshes2026-01-30 01:34

I too would have second thoughts about pointlessly kidnapping a hostage that has little to no knowledge that I don't already know, and potentially angering a person whose presence and meddling has destabilized or restabilized entire nations on several occasions.

New_Economist_94292026-01-29 16:49

I think Hoyo is being cowardly by showing the Aether from the World quests in the Archon quests; he'd probably just go to kill whoever kidnapped Paimon and wouldn't talk to them like he does with most enemies.

AgeAfter2026-01-29 20:04

Nahh I dont think thats the reason

Real-Contest49142026-01-29 17:35

I'm betting the person who will do it is the abyss sibling at which point traveler has to choose.

Paimon or the abyss twin.

Personally I'd pick paimon, she's my true homie.

darkdill2026-01-29 18:32

I don't see the Sibling doing something like that.

If there's any character I see who would use Paimon as a hostage, it'd either be Pierro or the Tsaritsa. Maybe the Tsaritsa could do it as a way to force the Traveler to retrieve the Pyro Gnosis, though that'd be a very bad way to do it. Pierro might do it if he mistakes Paimon for being Asmoday (whether or not she actually is).

Old_Square_91002026-01-29 17:38

At this point, I just think Paimon has some kind of "mind jamming" ability that prevents this possibility from happening.

Its pretty weird that she has yet to become a target when she is near the traveler wherever he goes. Or that nobody addresses from where she came.

darkdill2026-01-29 17:56

Presently, I think the primary justification for why people don't go after Paimon is either they can't catch her (given she can fly out of their reach) or they're too focused on the Traveler being a bigger threat. That said, I do feel said justification is a tad flimsy.

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Nuka-Crapola2026-01-29 19:55

To be fair, the fact that she stayed behind in the first place implies the existence of a limit to that ability. Even if the limit is just “she has to reappear where she disappeared” or “she has to anchor herself to the Traveler’s position”, there was some reason she wouldn’t be safe in Dottore’s lab.

That being said, neither of those options change the part where anyone trying to grab her has to dodge a pissed-off Traveler while they wait for something to bring her out of hammerspace, so I’d still say it’s impossible to use her as leverage; anyone able to do so has already proven they can take the Traveler in a fight.

QuantitySea13522026-01-29 18:24

My gut’s telling me that they’re saving the Paimon gets kidnapped by the enemy for the biggest kohona. I did think that it’s weird how no one has gone after what should be an easy target and HUGE leverage over the travelers yet.

darkdill2026-01-29 23:07

Probably the case.

Rush1662026-01-29 18:57

I think any of the remaining enemies can openly fight the Traveler.

As long as his powers are sealed, there will never be a need to kidnap Paimon because they can kidnap him directly.

And once he gains his Descender powers, he should theoretically become a being similar to PO or Nibelung, practically impossible to defeat. xD

darkdill2026-01-29 19:31

Kidnapping Paimon could be done for insurance purposes. I.E. even if they could outpower the Traveler, they can't otherwise force them to do what they want, but they can use Paimon as a hostage.

uwu_mewtwo2026-01-29 19:54

Paimon can pop in and out of existence, which I imagine makes her awfully hard to catch. Maybe Dottore could have prevented it, but he didn't or couldn't prevent the Traveler from summoning their sword.

>**Paimon:** Hey, do that again! You know, that thing!
**(‍Traveler‍):** Which one?
**Paimon:** The one where you make your weapon disappear with a swish, and then, fwoosh — you make it appear behind your back again!
**(‍Traveler‍):** Oh, that(‍?‍/‍.‍) Haven't you seen that a ton already?
**Paimon:** But Paimon hasn't figured out how you do it yet. Could you explain it?
**(‍Traveler‍):** Well, can you explain how you suddenly appear in front of me, and then disappear just as suddenly?
**Paimon:** Uh... well... Paimon seems to have always been able to do this. But Paimon doesn't know how...
**(‍Traveler‍):** Precisely. I believe that the art of putting my weapon away follows the same principle.
**(‍Traveler‍):** Maybe it's this similarity that makes us such good friends(‍?‍/‍.‍)

salasy2026-01-29 20:05

I wonder what would happen if you were holding paimon when She disappears

The_Cheeseman832026-01-30 10:43

Yeah, Rosaria even called her out on it, suggesting her ability to appear and disappear at will would be perfect for committing crimes.

salasy2026-01-29 20:18

I do think if this is gonna happen the one that kidnapped her will either be the other shades or asmoday

of course this depends if paimon is just a goubified version of just part of the shade of space