Genuinely, why do people HATE Dottore so fiercely?
One of the most common complaints I see about Genshin's storytelling is how cliche it's becoming, 'the power of friendship', every characters gets a redemption story, all that. Yet I've never seen a character more hated than Dottore, who is actively challenging the status quo by being a terrible person, who doesn't really have a sympathetic reason for the awful things he does besides his own self interest.
Ever since Sumeru, I was immediately drawn in by his first cutscene appearance, it felt intimidating and scary, like a harbinger introduction should feel. I feel like people really started realizing/liking his character more with this recent patch, because it really called out some big differences in how certain harbingers are portrayed. Arlecchino and Wanderer both had intimidating introductions, but were ultimately pushed to be more morally grey characters to push the playable agenda. I do feel like Wanderers was handled better, since we got to see his evolution over multiple versions, but I always hated how we never got to touch on the fact that Arlecchino is raising child soldiers. After her story quest, we feel almost TOO buddy buddy with her. She's done TERRIBLE things to children as well, we know that right? It just feels like the Traveler and most of the fandom forgot. I'm not saying this is a stain upon her character, it's what makes her interesting. Nothings more boring than someone being scrubbed clean.
I saw a lot of people online talking about how they appreciated Dottore's consistency in this recent patch. Even in his attempts to 'woo' the Traveler, he still held a strong sense of character, self, ideology, etc. He didn't become a completely different, cleaner character, just because he was faced with the Traveler's goodness and fairness aura. Started a villain, stayed a villain, that's so rare to see in Genshin, it automatically makes his character so compelling.
So genuinely, why do people seem to dislike him SO much? Not even in the, 'he's a villain, we're supposed to dislike him' way, but the fierce, 'remove him from the game' kinda hate. It's gotten so bad that when I've seen fans of his character posting online, they just get flooded with terrible hate comments. Like he's a bunch of pixels you guys...
It's fine if you don't like Dottore, he's not really there to be a fan favorite husbando, but the way people get so heated and mad over one of the best plot movers in the entire game really baffles me. He's a good character for the plot/story, and extremely compelling to watch in action. That's more than enough reason for a person to like him, yet people in the fandom get SO mad when a person is a fan.
Just curious to see why people are so adamant on hating this character SO much. You have to at least admit he moves the story in the most entertaining way, right?
Ever since Sumeru, I was immediately drawn in by his first cutscene appearance, it felt intimidating and scary, like a harbinger introduction should feel. I feel like people really started realizing/liking his character more with this recent patch, because it really called out some big differences in how certain harbingers are portrayed. Arlecchino and Wanderer both had intimidating introductions, but were ultimately pushed to be more morally grey characters to push the playable agenda. I do feel like Wanderers was handled better, since we got to see his evolution over multiple versions, but I always hated how we never got to touch on the fact that Arlecchino is raising child soldiers. After her story quest, we feel almost TOO buddy buddy with her. She's done TERRIBLE things to children as well, we know that right? It just feels like the Traveler and most of the fandom forgot. I'm not saying this is a stain upon her character, it's what makes her interesting. Nothings more boring than someone being scrubbed clean.
I saw a lot of people online talking about how they appreciated Dottore's consistency in this recent patch. Even in his attempts to 'woo' the Traveler, he still held a strong sense of character, self, ideology, etc. He didn't become a completely different, cleaner character, just because he was faced with the Traveler's goodness and fairness aura. Started a villain, stayed a villain, that's so rare to see in Genshin, it automatically makes his character so compelling.
So genuinely, why do people seem to dislike him SO much? Not even in the, 'he's a villain, we're supposed to dislike him' way, but the fierce, 'remove him from the game' kinda hate. It's gotten so bad that when I've seen fans of his character posting online, they just get flooded with terrible hate comments. Like he's a bunch of pixels you guys...
It's fine if you don't like Dottore, he's not really there to be a fan favorite husbando, but the way people get so heated and mad over one of the best plot movers in the entire game really baffles me. He's a good character for the plot/story, and extremely compelling to watch in action. That's more than enough reason for a person to like him, yet people in the fandom get SO mad when a person is a fan.
Just curious to see why people are so adamant on hating this character SO much. You have to at least admit he moves the story in the most entertaining way, right?
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well, he's probably more like Himmler
Sure you can despise her...people will still pull for meta.
Mavuika got hate and she still topped sales.
Ruan was a near universal support who many called overturned even on release.
Also most didn't start to hate ruan till after her launch when they saw her story play out.
You have so many people who dislike and hate her story due to her clear sociopath, how she is completely ignorant to her creations and how she drugs and sends tb on a dangerous mission that only works out because her experiment couldn't survive any longer.
But sure, people can like characters if there is SOMETHING to like about them.
Not sure if boobs would be enough to meaningfully make him less hated though, it would just change the group of haters from guys to women lol.
I was just saying that wouldn't change, there would still be people who would hate the character and despise them.
They think people only hate dottore because he's not a hot girl.
And they will gladly hate on so many others if they feel the characters wronged the fatui in some wild stretch.
Once she get's to be the "villain" (I doubt she will though), then you can compare her hate to other characters that already had that role.
You could try making an actual argument but of course you won't because you don't have one lol.
Ronova is THE "villain" or the obstacle that the heroes need to get over in that final moment. She was functionally in the same role as Dottore is currently as the secondary surprise villain.
This is ENTIRELY different than a character that is COMPLETLEY on the side and mostly talked in lore bits and at most referenced here and there etc. We've NEVER had to directly deal with Rhine yet in ANY capacity.
Also you DO realize that TONS of people have forgiven Dottore as well? Like are we just pretending that posts like this aren't almost weekly? And guess what, MOST of those people forgiving him are because he DOESN'T have boobs and is just a hot guy lol.
Also also, Ronova wasn't a villain because she wanted to be, UNLIKE DOTTORE, she was a villain because the deal she made with Mavuika had a price to be paid. She is infinitely less of a bad guy than Dottore.
And if you paid attention, Rhine is ALSO not intentionally a villain. Her actions have consequences that are detrimental to others but she doesn't go around being a villain on purpose. If anything, we'll likely see justifications for most if not all of her "evil" deeds when the time comes.
>why do you guys hate the bad guy?
????
If you’re expecting consistent treatment of characters based on their actions, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
Personally, I dislike him because his personality is off-putting (the man's is married to his own ego), not because he's the 999th character to do bad things in Genshin.
Rhinedottir did far more bad things than Dottore anyway.
To truly know Dottore, one must read ALL of his lore. Which the average person never does, all they see are tasteless austrian painter comparisons straight out of tiktok.
Also, he is not made to be hated, if he was he would not walk around in bdsm gear in public
The entire lore from when he was born until now, wow, how he suffered for being prevented from committing crimes against humanity at the age of 6.
Boy defies authorities - boy gets labelled as evil - boy starts to think he's evil and there's no point in being good because people would hate him anyways. He's deeply hurt, NOT irredeemably evil.
There's also something with names being tied to fate and his name being Zandik.
Unfortunately for people like you, Genshin will not add a skip button anytime soon 😊
\- Good villain, evil character and the story does a lot to show you this.
\- Comparing impact. Example: Someone likes Sandrone and gushes over her role in the story. Dottore fan responds and says Dottore is way better written and Sandrone was rewritten. Sandrone fan gets annoyed and spreads hate about Dottore in return. This exchange happens BOTH WAYS enough between smaller communities and around social media and there you have toxic loud smaller groups screaming at each other.
>Yet I've never seen a character more hated than Dottore, who is actively challenging the status quo by being a terrible person
He is challenging the game being "cliche" by being a stereotypical and generic evil scientist without morals?
>yet people in the fandom get SO mad when a person is a fan.
Personally I rarely see this. Not saying it doesn't happen at all and I don't really follow genshin media outside of reddit so maybe I'm just not where it happens. USUALLY people are fighting with Dottore fans because they're actively shit talking other characters in the very same conversation (like you kinda are with Wanderer and Arle here. Usually it's more aggressive though lol) or complaining about people not liking him lol.
I personally couldn't care less if YOU or anyone else likes him but he is THE ONLY character whose fans are desperate for approval and cannot comprehend others not liking the character.
He's simply someone created to be a walking ragebait. And he achieved exactly what he was created to be.
Being a good villain doesn't mean you achieve your goals, it doesn't mean you have to be faithful to the most visceral cruelty 110% of the time. This is a character that a teenager would create and other teenagers would appreciate, saying: "look how dark and sinister I am." Literally a year ago, Mavuika was being called the worst character ever written in all of Genshin for being exactly what you're praising so much in Dottore—a character without nuance and uncompromising, which comically wasn't even true in her case, but now with Dottore it simply doesn't matter.
And another thing, tell me one thing Arlecchino did against the children themselves.
If you're referring to the pre-Fonteine mission dialogues, in the lore it's a mix of fear after the Crucabena's assassination, and the uncertainty of what Arlecchino would do with the children. Literally, throughout her entire legendary mission, it's thrown in our faces that she wanted to let the children choose their own path and be different from the Crucabena. And so, in the same way that you ask the question: why so much hatred towards the Dottore (which, with all due respect, is a stupid question, since the idea of him is to be a character made to receive hatred), I ask the question, what's so difficult about understanding that the first impression of a group of people isn't always the true line of action and thought of the whole group?
Seriously. We've been having this conversation for 3 years: why isn't every Fatui 100% evil as we thought? It's as if the Genshin community is made up of people with the literary level of a 5-year-old who can only see good and evil. And that's exactly what made the doctor the pinnacle of writing for so many people now in nod krai, the guy has nothing else besides being someone very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very evil. He has no other remarkable characteristic besides being evil. "Ah, but he thought that by being evil he would evolve humanity" is the biggest bullshit I've ever had the displeasure of reading. Mobius from hi3 was a better villain because, even though she tortured, killed, and experimented on humans, she at least believed there could be a solution to the problems of the honkai. It's completely different from someone already being a fucking bastard and just reading some books to assert themselves as someone decent to society. Dottore has no contradictory motives, he has no values that put him in check, he has nothing that makes him even remotely human, and I'm not even talking about relatable, because even the biggest and most disgusting psychopaths in cinema still manage to convey some doubt, some uncertainty that perhaps in some aspect of what they say they might be right. Dottore doesn't; the moment he says anything, you can tell he's just trying to manipulate, and in the most pathetic way possible.
Dottore doesn't need 5 hours of lore to explain his background.
A good place to start is his wiki article, it's mostly unbiased.
We don't know the whole story of Sandrone yet. One of the biggest reasons why Scaramouche became a villain was because of Dottore manipulation.
Arlecchino is more of the neccessary evil kind of character and she stated that given certain circumstances, she can act as Puruere, not the Knave. Given her duties as the head of the House of the Hearth, she is actually pretty decent all things consider, especially compare to the previous one.
I don't know maybe it's the wanting to experiment on people and killing them with zero regrets
I feel a bit worried for the people genuinely taking his words at face value: if they can easily be swayed by a fictional character who is very obviously portrayed by the game to be an evil person, then they really need to stay away from actual narcs who will take advantage of them without remorse.