Endgame discussion is basically this

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kokorirorona2026-01-29 23:28

Don't Bob the Smasher runs require a lot more execution and potentially more resets though until everything clicks together nowadays?

Luna_Risa2026-01-30 01:13

For primos rewards, usually not lol

Far-Law4112026-01-30 02:19

for stygian hard and below yes, but abyss floor 12 has become decently hard these days due to shilling and HP inflation, 4 star jobbers who are not named gaming will struggle to clear

Hellcat7272026-01-30 02:46

Gaming is more like 4\* Smasher. 4\* Jobber I'd assume are supports like Bennett Xingqiu Xiangling Fischl Surcrose etc.

TuneACan2026-01-30 03:02

Maybe? But is it big enough to warrant the necessity to upgrade a full team of 4\* teammates with 5star ones?

kokorirorona2026-01-30 08:16

Depends how strict the scenario is for smasher. There have been some abysses where smasher has to sit in there and mald quite a bit for things to go right and I've seen many cases of people counting how many resets they have to do for their 4 star clears

refance2026-01-29 23:31

John Mc Genshin is good for SO, Bob can be used in IT situationally

Seraph1992026-01-30 00:08

"Bob" is fine for SO, if all you care about is the primogems. That is the point. If your concern is purely earning primogems for more pulls, then there is zero need for "John McGenshin". Recently there has been more Lunar requirements in the Abyss which could lock some people out of the primogems from floor 12, but people still clear those stages with all 4\*s and getting just one of the 5\* Lunar supports or a copy of Columbina is likely enough for F2P players to continue getting max rewards from the Abyss. The only rewards you get for clearing content that requires "meta" DPS teams is some extra feathers and a weapon skin.

chioriruinedme2026-01-29 23:35

this is fire

IllustratorLast12812026-01-29 23:40

I mean for abyss sure but most endgame discussions are about stygian nowadays where john mc genshin will reliably clear atleast one boss maybe even two and bob the smasher can clear a boss maybe if one of the hat wearers is being shilled.

fyrefox452026-01-29 23:44

The larger problem is actually John mc not being able to clear any stages, despite having the DPS, because oops it doesn't match the mechanics.

Thank you Varesa for being my only dependable DPS.

MapoTofuMan2026-01-30 01:05

My Varesa saved my fearless runs like half the stygians so far including this one (only got one lunar team), and she doesn't even have her sig. I really need to invest more in her next rerun, my best Natlan pull by a mile.

jonnevituwu2026-01-30 02:04

My first diff 5 clear was with varesa last reset but tbh with you, I dont feel like it is worth the stress even for a meta player.

My God, Ive lived for 5 years without those silly feathers, it is not like it is mandatory for our builds.

Thank god all primos on SO are limited to lvl 3

TheRealNequam2026-01-30 08:36

Skirk always taking care of one boss for me, they cant use their mechanics if theyre frozen

fyrefox452026-01-30 08:38

Skirk vs crab this time has made me like Skirk a lot less. It's definitely doable, but not for me lol.

Seraph1992026-01-30 00:09

You do not need to usually clear the shilled mechanic to get the primogems, which is the point of the post. In SO the "shill" mechanics are tuned way down until you get to Fearless and Dire.

nghigaxx2026-01-30 00:21

yea but fearless still offer desirable reward, even dire if you think cosmetic is important

IllustratorLast12812026-01-30 00:23

The post only talks about primogems but it's also running under the assumption that endgame discussions only go as far as abyss floor 12 when basically all of them are about stygian onslaught ever since the gamemode came out.

Nobody is calling a character trash because they're taking 2 minutes instead of 1 to clear abyss, they're calling them trash cuz the unit can't clear stygian onslaught if they aren't specifically getting shilled.

TuneACan2026-01-30 03:10

I don't think the post is parodying endgame discussions in general as much as it is parodying endgame discussion's importance when it comes to getting the most from each endgame mode.

The 100 extra gems from going to 36\* instead of 33 stars in Abyss is the hardest set of gems to obtain from any endgame mode, not counting IT difficulties being flat out locked if you don't qualify. Maybe that's why it referenced Abyss in particular, since the only thing a character needs to do to get the most amount of primogems any F2P player could get is just be able to 36\* abyss.

Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-30 00:23

>I mean for abyss sure but most endgame discussions are about stygian nowadays

Primogems > feather.

The Primogem threshold for SO is lower than that of the abyss. Ability to full clear the abyss still more important than ability to clear dire/fearless

IllustratorLast12812026-01-30 00:29

I'm not trying to argue otherwise but if you're going to the group which dicusses endgame you shouldn't expect them to call the guy who can't actually clear all endgame good.

ugur_tatli2026-01-30 05:56

>Primogems > feather.

Why do we even play the game at this point if the only point is wishing new characters?

Next_Investigator_692026-01-30 07:12

Did you forget that this is a gacha game?

HygenicTetanus2026-01-29 23:45

At the end of the day meta is just your imagination

Pale-Exercise-57402026-01-30 00:17

They keep talking about Meta, but have they ever Meta a girl before-

(I'm sorry, that was stupid)

Crimson_Raven2026-01-30 01:20

Meta mis huevos en tu boca

BossyMare2026-01-29 23:46

Yes, and this is the difference between genshin and star rail. In HSR my Bob the smasher isn't 36* clearing MoC or pure fiction... but my Ayato/ Neuvillette/Hu Tao still goes to the abyss and brings back primogems.

VaIIeron2026-01-30 00:44

Bob the smasher is Eula, or Itto. Nevi and Hu tao deal top tier dmg

Hoppykwins2026-01-30 01:04

Hahaha Hu tao. Top tier. Lmao.

cartercr2026-01-30 01:41

I mean… 90k may not be “top tier” but it’s still more than enough to clear.

Hoppykwins2026-01-30 02:54

Oh no for sure I agree. But top tier she is not.

VaIIeron2026-01-30 02:22

She's like 3-4k dps behind arlecchino. Only Mauvika and Skirk leave her far behind (and Skirk only with premium supports, Mika, Kaya, Rosaria won't cut it for her).

ILuvHuTaoAndNagatoro2026-01-30 03:25

She might not be Mav or Skirk but she's still one of the strongest dps in the game.

Sutkin_52026-01-30 00:44

I can clear MoC and PF just fine with Jing Yuan

BossyMare2026-01-30 00:45

With Sunday, right?

Sutkin_52026-01-30 00:46

Yeah

BossyMare2026-01-30 00:48

Yep, me too. Meanwhile Acheron, Boothill, etc languish.. and firefly, since I didn't pull Dahlia

ILuvHuTaoAndNagatoro2026-01-30 03:24

Show full investment of the team.

I doubt it's 4 cost.

LoveDeer2026-01-30 02:08

And?

Half a pull every 2/4/6 weeks. Big deal.

BossyMare2026-01-30 02:11

Are you lost lol? I'm not complaining.

siegheldr2026-01-29 23:58

remember, the fact that non shilled meta units are struggling to clear in the hands of experienced players, it means that normal ppl with non shilled meta units or playing with their favorites are going to struggle a lot, powercreep advances on both ends of the spectrum at the same time, and both types of players get the short end of the stick. this is the current gacha business model, where powercreep = money

grayblood02026-01-30 00:11

I've been playing this game since day 1 with some pauses and i usually clear all endgame content. I don't know any lingo is thrown here.
What the fuck is a brick and a t3

TWOSimurgh2026-01-30 00:21

Brick means bad character. So does t3.

grayblood02026-01-30 00:24

Ok, thank you.... That's a really dumb way to say a character is bad tbh.

TWOSimurgh2026-01-30 00:25

Slang isn't dumb just because you aren't familiar with it.

grayblood02026-01-30 00:27

That is true.
but the first thing that appeared on my mind when i readed about the word brick is Itto and the character from borderlands.

TWOSimurgh2026-01-30 00:31

Slang isn't supposed to make sense to you when you aren't familiar with it.

Real-Contest49142026-01-30 01:20

T3 is usually used to reference the tier list.
T0 is the best and the lower you go the worse it gets.

Keep in mind worse doesn't necessarily mean bad just not fast enough in comparison or efficient enough for people with less options.

TuneACan2026-01-30 02:47

"Brick" comes from the term of "bricking" a computer. When you brick a computer, it gets so fucked up beyond repair that it doesn't do anything besides be a solid rectangle, like a brick. When extended in other contexts, to "brick" something means to fuck it up beyond repair, and a "brick" genshin character would be a character that is so shit it immediately fucks up your account. Naturally, this is a hyperbole as there's no such thing.

"T3" comes from chinese tierlists. For some reason I don't quite remember, the higher number a character has, the worse said character is. Rather than going S->A->B->C->etc etc, they go t0->t1->t2->t3.

It's just internet slang popularized in some genshin circles, mainly the less touch-grassy ones.

Lumines_wife2026-01-30 01:23

Brick means bricked like when a computer stops working. Basically it means non functional. T3 is referring to tier 3 on a character strength tier list which is usually one of the lower tiers. It's used somewhat ironically in a lot of gacha spaces and especially ironically in genshin considering how little this game relies on tier lists.

grayblood02026-01-30 02:20

So i will assume the tier list is from kequing mains or similar websites, i only use them to know what the hell i'm suppose to farm.
And yeah bricked like a pc, now i understand and it makes sense .

MaeveOathrender2026-01-30 06:19

No, Keqingmains is an actual reputable guide site. Tier lists are exclusively propagated by dumbfucks on Tiktok and slop sites like game8 who try to reduce the game down to 'this unit good, this unit gooderer'

grayblood02026-01-30 07:41

I understand youtubers and tiktok, why game8?

MaeveOathrender2026-01-30 07:47

I think I was pretty clear. Slop site that jams everything into tierlists because that's what gets clicks.

Use their guides for chest farming or oculi or whatever, but don't take their advice on what to pull or what to build, because they've had some real stinkers over time.

om0ri_2026-01-30 00:20

genshin snafu before gta6

r/coaxedintoasnafu

ILikeLungsSoYeah2026-01-30 01:54

coaxed into SO

Ouroxros2026-01-30 03:20

I really thought I was looking at a post in that sub for good minute

oldmonk_972026-01-30 00:54

Lil bro thought he'd include xiangling and bennett call them 4 star jobber and we won't notice. Cocodayo has made his career on the tracks. Smh my head

gryphon_duke2026-01-30 07:32

what even is a jobber, it feels like a perfect name for a lot of characters that just hasnt been in the genshin mainstream vocabulary for the past 5 years for some reason

Inevitable_Ad_79442026-01-30 01:05

If a character doesnt do 150k dipshit per second, my account is bricked okay?!?!?!? Knowing that my Skork deals 0.1% less damage than my Flint premier team makes me want to douse myself in alcohol until i get a kidney failure. Please understand my struggle. Stygian Onslaught is a true definition government spyware and I refuse to go close to it unless its a Mavuika shill.

FutureEImain2026-01-30 01:35

How dare you roll for signatures and get better artifacts than the set standards? Sentenced to 12 hours of dire wenut

jonnevituwu2026-01-30 02:02

Hope you dont find out who is the flinsless, laumaless, neferless, mavuikaless, neuviless, arleless f2p player who got c6r1 Furina just cuz she deserves it and still managed to get all the primo rewards anyways...

Laevigata2026-01-30 06:02

Primo rewards are piss easy though

jonnevituwu2026-01-30 06:03

As they should

kidanokun2026-01-30 06:20

Blame the HP inflation

seansenyu2026-01-30 01:05

Its even worse in Star Rail where people care so much for 0 cycles, when they can get same primos by going 5-9 cycles

ILuvHuTaoAndNagatoro2026-01-30 03:25

Or you slowly watch your Seele die and not even be able to get 10 cycles if you have her on one half.

MaeveOathrender2026-01-30 06:21

'oh no, i can't clear the endgame in nearly 4.0 with my literal-first-banner-of-the-game 1.0 unit! woe is me'

FOH. Powercreep is annoying, but you can't expect units to be relevant forever or they'd never sell any new ones.

Weak-Association62572026-01-30 06:44

There is a difference between staying relevant and being at the same level as new characters

MaeveOathrender2026-01-30 06:49

Tell me how you expect them to make DPS like Seele stay relevant without keeping them at the same level as new DPS, then.

Supports are a bit of a different story - we still get use out of Sparkle, Ruan Mei, and other older characters sometimes - but a DPS like Seele simply cannot be relevant in the year of our lord 2026.

Weak-Association62572026-01-30 06:50

Straight up buff them lol. You don’t need Castorice level to clear MOC at least. I’m not asking buffed Seele to clear king check in 0 cycles

MaeveOathrender2026-01-30 06:51

I must've missed those 0-cycle clears of the latest shilled endgame with Blade and Jingliu, then.

They're never gonna buff units to a level where they compete with the new stuff. A Seele buff would be nice, but it's not gonna solve the underlying issue.

Weak-Association62572026-01-30 06:52

Again, I don’t care about 0 cycling stuff with older characters. That’s literally not what I’m asking for. My Seele straight up can not clear content

MaeveOathrender2026-01-30 06:55

And again, they have no incentive to make it so both old and new characters can clear content. They *want* you to give up on Seele and pull something new. That's like, literally the entire business model. New teammates, light cones, buffs and so forth can prolong the inevitable and soften the blow (because it's a bad customer experience to realise your favourite unit abruptly sucks dick now) but they always want you phasing them out to pull new ones.

Weak-Association62572026-01-30 06:56

That’s why I hate HSR

ILuvHuTaoAndNagatoro2026-01-30 14:06

And that's why Star Rail's business model sucks ass.

Genshin doesn't do this. Even ZZZ with its massive anti Miyabi shilling doesn't do this.

Why the fuck should anyone bother investing in a character in the first place if they're just going to be replaced in half a year to a year?

There's a reason my Hu Tao is c5r2 and my Sparkle is still e0s0. There's a reason i'm going to c2 my Furina and not e2 my Silver Wolf.

ILuvHuTaoAndNagatoro2026-01-30 14:05

\>They're never gonna buff units to a level where they compete with the new stuff.

No one is asking them to be competitive with the new units. But for fucks sake can she at least be good enough to clear a fucking a quantum weak boss with a bunch of trash adds, like True Sting, in like 4-5 cycles without needing 15 copies of DDD.

ILuvHuTaoAndNagatoro2026-01-30 13:59

\>oh no, i can't clear the endgame in nearly 4.0

4.0? No. 2.4 was the last time i was able to use Seele in endgame. And yes, i damn well expect a 1.0 dps with their premium team to still be able to get a decent clear at that point. A decent clear being 5 cycles in MoC or a 1:30 clear in Abyss.

\>my literal-first-banner-of-the-game 1.0 unit! woe is me'

Ok and how about this one, my premium *sustainless* Firefly team couldn't even 3\* the the literal Firefly shill boss in the first AA.

\>but you can't expect units to be relevant forever or they'd never sell any new ones.

Really? So why does Genshin regularly have their highest sales despite 1.x and 2.x units, even pre buff, being able to clear Abyss still? I can still get sub 1:30 times with Raiden National.

Crimson_Raven2026-01-30 01:19

Goomba fallicy

Grand_Protector_Dark2026-01-30 07:20

It's really not

Additional_Roof_39492026-01-30 01:28

this would be an awesome meme if the assumption that endgame and meta discussions are about abyss floor 12 was true, which spoiler, it is not

meta is about meta, what are the best characters and what are the best teams. If a dps or a buffer is not even in the top 10 then yes, they are bad. It's okay you don't like it, no one forces you to pull for meta characters. but hu tao (bob) clearing abyss doesn't make her good nor comparable to flins (John)

pull whatever you want but memeing about meta discussions being about who is actually the best is stupid

FutureEImain2026-01-30 01:30

Sheets became mainstream late natlan and caused this + the existence of prydwen

KeyMore94222026-01-30 01:33

This is so real

ILikeLungsSoYeah2026-01-30 01:54

and bennet will still be a top tier 10 years later

CrucialElement2026-01-30 01:54

Why have you got vargamoth on a non bob team? And without a hat no less. Also that's laddy von buffer, you can tell by the penis

asilvertintedrose2026-01-30 02:01

There was way too much ball knowledge in this post I swear this was made with hatred in mind

metathesiophobic2026-01-30 02:32

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metathesiophobic2026-01-30 02:32

wait- this is not r/coaxedintoasnafu, i didn't need to use the lingo. Well... i'll leave the comment as is. For authenticity.

-rabotnik-2026-01-30 03:05

I already made this comment but I want to copy it here too much.

Why are you bothering to read the story and actually know about what's happening in the lore? You would have gotten the same amount of quest rewards if you skipped through it. Oh you want to say you're doing because it's fun and you like it? Not because of rewards?

Your story and exploration driven game turned out to actually be story, exploration and fighting driven game. I don't want to be rude, but legit how the fuck do you not count fighting stuff as one of the main focuses of the game where you literally need to do it all the time. The apogee of many AQ is more often than not is a bossfight, half the chests scattered across the map are locked behind defeating mobs. We have 3, no like actually THREE separate modes focused on fighting stuff. It's so important that you are always one click away from adjusting your builds.

It is fine if you don't care about fighting whatsoever, no one is telling you to care about anything in this game. But it's honestly insane how people don't understand that those who care about so-called "meta" enjoy fighting part of this game. I'm doing this because it's fun. I pull for new characters because their kits are interesting. I minmax gearing and team building because I enjoy it. It brings me fun. How is this so hard to get.

Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-30 03:06

Genshin has many things to do and it have been trying to target many different kinds of players while also providing variety.

Players who like the anime type story can do the story, players who like to read and read the the hundreds of books and texts in the overworld, players who like pretty characters can pull for the characters, players who like their own character design can play MW, etc etc...

>Never understood metaslaving in a story and exploration driven game like Genshin.

Dont worry about it, it's just one way to player the game and there is nothing wrong with it. While I agree this is not the **ONLY** way of playing the game you should not go around meta**shaming** either.

metathesiophobic2026-01-30 03:24

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metathesiophobic2026-01-30 04:54

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Icy-Childhood-45872026-01-30 07:22

It's understandable some people might have too much time on their hand. Don't mind the downvotes it's just a way to show disagreement. As for the other replies that says the same thing as me... They neither need to read my reply nor read your reply to my reply they just want to give their own two cents but you are not obligated to reply to all of them.

issm2026-01-30 04:37

Never understood how people could enjoy Genshin as a story game when Genshin's story is your typical gacha character advertisement, combined with vagueposting lore.

Also could never understand why anyone would enjoy Genshin as an exploration game, when the open world is just Tiktok brainrot in gameplay form, with a braindead easy mob or puzzle laid out every 30 seconds.

Ok, no, I lied a bit, I do get why people might enjoy the exploration. I also enjoyed that kind of game. When I was like, 12.

shira10010012026-01-30 05:36

i can read and i kinda like the character and lore.

King-s0nicc4562026-01-30 02:35

I can only imagine if genshin ever got a prydwen tierlist

-rabotnik-2026-01-30 02:38

Why are you bothering to read the story and actually know about what's happening in the lore? You would have gotten the same amount of quest rewards if you skipped through it. Oh you want to say you're doing because it's fun and you like it? Not because of rewards?

Connect the strings yourself

6991120267752026-01-30 03:00

Lmao I'm seeing wrestling and Zyzz references

Fuaaaark

ILuvHuTaoAndNagatoro2026-01-30 03:23

What you're missing in this equation is the increase to mob's health each patch.

So Bob the Smasher clearing 2:39 now, barely scraping by under the 3:00 threshold, in two patches when the same slime shows up, is now barely scraping by at 2:59. Next time the slime shows up? Well now he's over the 3:00 threshold so you can't clear with him anymore.

Now if it's Star Rail we're talking about, a year from now John MC and his premium team's 0.0001 ms clear is now a 3:20 clear because they increase the bosses hp like 30% every fucking patch.

JustATaro2026-01-30 03:42

This is why Stygian Onslaught happened, people who care enough get what they want (weapon skin that expires), and people who don't care enough get what they want too (primo at lower difficulties)