Even though Furina is Human now & as such is no longer an Archon. Would you consider her to be an “Honorary Archon” due to her enduring 500 years of loneliness & always having to put on a show posing as an archon?
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Fantastic-Gene-90162026-01-30 02:16
Of course she's deserving of that title and more.
Void0Cat2026-01-30 02:23
Absolutely. She's even included with the other archons in official art, why wouldn't she be considered one?
Sad-Instance-39162026-01-30 11:18
The same official art that included Columbina this year? She is not considered one because archon is any entity (wisp, god, human) bound to divine throne, there is no other definition. And Focalors as divinity was bound to it till the end. Her body (Furina) was not, because she was powerless, and as per latest Luna quest we know that you can bound divinity/soul/authority with no regards to body.
corecenite2026-01-30 02:24
past or present doesn't define a character in a gacha game. she is an archon at the start of the fontaine aq and wasn't at the end and yet the playerbase either finished it or not.
so yes, she's still an archon
Ads10132026-01-30 02:25
The archons consider her an honorary archon, so I don’t see why I shouldn’t.
skyfiretherobot2026-01-30 02:39
She's still an Archon in the only way that matters: marketing.
4GRJ2026-01-30 02:40
She got that 99% usage right now, beating Columbina with 97%
Ofc I would
Necessary_Fennel_5912026-01-30 02:41
The archons themselves acknowledged what she did and said she’s worthy of the title.
Hoyo themselves acknowledge that by including her in the archon official arts every year.
I don’t see why we shouldn’t consider her as THE hydro archon.
Sitherio2026-01-30 02:44
In lore? No, she's human. Mechanically, she's just as powerful as an Archon.
Glass-Category82812026-01-30 02:44
She's an Archon for doing her best in the absolutely dreadful situation she was placed in. Fontaine is alive because of her actions. She is more than deserving of the Archon title, human or not.
Heck the human part is a non factor given Mavuika.
missy202012026-01-30 02:45
Yep. As much as the "seat" of the Hydro Archon doesn't exist anymore, Furina is still pretty much the hydro archon and I think the other archons and Hoyo themselves make that pretty clear.
I gueeess if you want to look hard at how Fontaine is run now vs before, with Furina living in a normal house and doing other things, and Neuvi running the ship, you could make an argument against it. But, even though the archon ran Fontaine for so long, that's not how it has been in other nations, and isn't a requirement/guarantee with the archons. Venti doesn't run Mondstadt, and Zhongli stopped running Liyue a long time ago before his faked death. And Nahida was in prison--
So anyway, yeah :)
jonnevituwu2026-01-30 02:59
she is more archon than mavuika will ever be; 500 years acting like someone you werent just to save ppl who didnt even believed you VS 500 years being dead and trusting ppl would get strong enough to buff her, 20/10 plan.
Stock_Pace_40502026-01-30 08:43
She left those duties to the pyro archons that came after her, to unify and strengthen the tribes of natlan after catacylsm so that she can finally put an end to the abyssal threat. That plan was more meaningful and sensible than the plot hole filled focalors plan to "deceive" heavenly principles.
TomatilloSorry95492026-01-30 03:03
Even Hoyo themselves sees her as an honorary archon
ruanmei-2026-01-30 03:23
why is everyone saying yes
ruanmei-2026-01-30 03:24
this is like people who call yi xuan a void hunter
Stock_Pace_40502026-01-30 08:33
Because that's how furina simps cope with reality
perfectchaos832026-01-30 03:44
She's the body of Focalors. She's Archon just as much as Jesus was God. Focalors + Furina make up the two sides of the coin that are the Hydro Archon
Regardless of all that, Hoyo treats her as one.
Lucky-Oven54672026-01-30 03:49
Yes I'd definitely do consider her an honorary archon. Especially due to all the high praises the other archons give her and even Neuvillette too.
StrictlyOval2026-01-30 03:54
Wait I just started Fontaine. She’s not the Archon???
_Lohhe_2026-01-30 04:08
Yesnt
She's kind of like Nahida but with less access to her powers
almondsadnesses2026-01-30 04:13
No, Furina is the archon. Keep progressing through the quest to learn why.
Sad-Instance-39162026-01-30 11:23
Nope
Fit-Application-12026-01-30 03:59
Her being human isn’t the reason she’s no longer an archon, because humans can be archons too (Natlan anyone?). So no, she’s not an honorary archon, she IS an archon, albeit one that has retired/stepped down for new governance.
Smooth_Shine_40152026-01-30 04:03
She appeared in all Archons art since her debut,she 100% is an Archon,at least marketing wise.
D0naught2026-01-30 04:04
Yes. But she doesn’t really want the archon title. She just want to be a human.
QWERTYAF12412026-01-30 04:14
Furina's always been human and not the actual archon. The real hydro archon was Focalors who was hiding in the Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale for 500 years. Focalors split herself into a human half while she kept the divinity, gnosis, and divine throne. The only thing that's changed is that Furina no longer has to keep up an act for appearance's sake as the archon and she no longer has an immortal life. Archons are defined as whoever is currently sitting on the divine throne that Celestia made. Furina never took over at any point in her life before the hydro throne was destroyed.
thwrlsgenshin2026-01-30 04:25
by this definition, neither Ei or Mavuika are archons since they never had touched the throne in Celestia.Heck, not even Nahida. Furina was the archon as much as Focalors, that's not debatable.
QWERTYAF12412026-01-30 05:51
Ei inherited Makoto's divine throne after her death. Before, she was the electro archon's shadow and body double. Mavuika inherited the pyro archon's divine throne. It gets passed around to the strongest warrior from the pilgrimage. Mavuika earned it 500+ years ago, stored herself in the Sacred Flame to emerge in the present day, and then earned the divine throne again by participating in the pilgrimage.
squishlight2026-01-30 05:15
No Focalors in the machine is equally not the whole Archon. Focalors in the machine wasn't "sitting on" the Hydro throne either. If Furina is not the Archon neither was Focalors-in-the-machine, and the real Archon died/ceased existence when she split herself in two.
QWERTYAF12412026-01-30 05:46
Focalors had everything that makes an archon an archon. An archon is just whoever inherited the divine authority and gnosis that Celestia gives out to the leader of each of the seven nations. Furina had none of that. She never had divine authority, the gnosis, or any divinity. The only special thing she had was an extended lifespan that was tied to Focalors's immortal lifespan.
The_Cheeseman832026-01-30 10:28
Furina was Focalors. Focalors just extracted her mind and divinity from her body, and created a new personality in her former body.
If a king suffers from amnesia and ends up with a totally new personality, even if he can’t serve as king anymore, he is still the former king. Same with Furina, she used to be the Hydro Archon, she just has no memory of that time.
QWERTYAF12412026-01-30 11:07
Furina did not exist before Focalors split herself in two. It was just Focalors before. Furina was an entirely separate being she created to reside in the human body she left behind. What determines archonhood is whoever currently holds possession of the divine throne. Focalors got it from Egeria and kept it with her after her split until she destroyed it. She never gave it to Furina at any point in the 500 years that Furina's been alive.
Just like how the Raiden Shogun puppet isn't the true electro archon but Ei who resides within the Musou Isshin stored with the puppet. Ei never handed the divine throne over to her puppet so she's the only true electro archon, even if she uses the puppet as her physical body at times.
The body is just a vessel. Especially in a game like Genshin with puppets, robots, alchemical beings, storybook dragons, monsters, fragments, reincarnations, kuuvahki, Oceanids, time travel, ley lines, ghosts, spirits, memories, etc. It's the mind, personality, and soul that makes an individual.
The_Cheeseman832026-01-30 11:38
So, by that logic, when Wanderer lost his memory after tampering with Irminsul, he became a completely different person?
Stock_Pace_40502026-01-30 11:58
Yes, he was a different person until he regained his memories.
The_Cheeseman832026-01-30 12:00
Interesting, so when we restored his memories, what happened to that person? Did he die? Did he get consumed by Scaramouche? Did they combine to form a new, third individual?
Stock_Pace_40502026-01-30 12:04
Scaramouche with additional false memories.
The_Cheeseman832026-01-30 12:06
So the individual he was without his memories ceased to be. So, effectively, curing amnesia is murder.
QWERTYAF12412026-01-30 16:36
Wanderer only had one soul and was still one being.
perfectchaos832026-01-30 17:32
Focalors legitimately says that Furina is her body and soul.
QWERTYAF12412026-01-30 17:54
Yeah but Furina as a being did not exist before Focalors split created her. Before Furina was created, it was just Focalors. They're two separate beings that originated from one entity. They had their own unique thoughts, actions, memories, etc. Focalors keeping the divine throne did not mean Furina had the divine throne. Furina never had any access to or possession of the divide throne.
Illustrious_Hunt_6882026-01-30 23:59
focalors was only an human before she ascended to become a god, so upon her ascention she gained "divinity". what she did was place her divinity in the oratrice along with with some of her own memories and continued existing as a human like she used to be (body/soul) with the name "furina". even in zhongli's vl he mentions "even though her (furina's) divinity vanished -- she will go down in fontaine's history as a god worthy of recognition". scaramouche didnt become an entirely different being during sumeru archon quest because he gained divinity then lost it after we defeated him.
squishlight2026-01-30 05:13
If she's not the Archon then neither was whoever was in the Oratrice. Either they're both shards of the same Archon who died when she split herself, OR Furina is the Archon, just that she manifested in a complex human-and-deus-ex-machina way. Considering how Hoyo takes inspiration from the cultures the countries are based on, I honestly believe someone was riffing off the concept of the Trinity in Christianity.
Anyway Furina IMHO was an Archon, she gave it up.
Confident_River_35832026-01-30 05:39
Even if she’s no longer an Archon by title, what Furina endured for 500 years feels Archon level in spirit. I can see why people call her an honorary one.
chocolate-corn2026-01-30 05:49
Being an Archon is not just being a god or having a gnosis, it’s being the leader of a nation who would be willing to do what is best for their people. Just like the others, Furina fulfilled her duties in the 500 years she spent in power and also saved the entirety of Fontaine with the help of Neuvilette. She’s about as “Archon” as it gets, only lacking a gnosis which means little to the other archons in the first place
Fabled_Webs2026-01-30 05:58
No? Suffering does not beget authority.
"Archon" is a title specifically referring to either a) the victor of the Archon War who won a gnosis, or b) the leader of their nation. In both cases, immense affinity and power over their element is kind of a prerequisite. Furina is human and has a hydro vision, not a gnosis or comparable power. She has also explicitly retired from her position as the leader of her country so even calling her an Archon in the political sense is incorrect.
Niklear2026-01-30 07:39
Didn't she only gain said gnosis after her AQ and in a pretty meh way?
From a marketing perspective, archon.
From a kit design perspective, archon.
From an AQ focus perspective, archon.
From an actual lore power level, not even a particularly strong human.
Her determination to keep going and do what she was talked with for 500 years was impressive, and a good show of faith in the actual Hydro archon who is effectively another her, but during that entire time she's just a charlatan with no godly powers or abilities beyond a prolonged lifespan. A dedicated AF human, but a human nonetheless. That's precisely why so many people sympathize with her and kind of ignore gods and other immortal beings that suffered for much longer and often in much more difficult ways such as Xiao, Zibai, or Ei. Heck, you could argue Furina's loneliness and work to save Fontaine is far less of a difficult life than what Reirir went through, despite his choices to murder, but being torn to pieces without being able to die and a lot more is something to endure.
I myself like Furina's story, but feel she was let down by the personal quest as after everything's said and done, the truth is out and she can finally be herself and start making friends, free from the burden of stopping the prophecy, she remains as obnoxious, narcissistic and overly dramatic as always. They're was a MASSIVE opportunity for character growth, but she never got any. She headed in that direction at the end of her AQ, but in her story quest she remains as annoying as when she played a role, but with no reason for it, and even gets awarded a gnosis for pretty much nothing. Her story was a big let down.
The most annoying thing about her however are the Furina mains and glazers being the most insufferable in the Genshin fandom from what I've experienced on multiple occasions. You'll never get a Furina main to come to you and logically discuss the situation. They just simply mass downvote and attack with strawman arguments or gaslight the other side.
ModSnake2026-01-30 06:35
If Venti deserves the title, Furina sure as shit does.
_Naokichan_2026-01-30 06:41
She has to be remembered as an Archon and other archons do it too, they respect her a lot, probably because they understood her position better than others. This doesn't mean she needs to be the actual Archon and take the role, she doesn't want that, but at least a little recognition for her hard work from the players....
Dull-Nectarine3802026-01-30 07:17
We love furina de fontaine
LinMayo2026-01-30 07:35
well... only honorary. Doesnt have any reason to consider it either, most of teyvat's nations are archonless already, fontaine is Just another one. Mondstadt was left to the moths since Barbatos shows up once in a life time, Rex lapis is ☠️☠️☠️ Just like Focalor and Nodkrai only exists because Lauma took the "gnosis holder duty". As the Cherry on top, Shogun is the current archon because Ei doesnt like to do anything but meditate.
Stock_Pace_40502026-01-30 08:38
Nope, barbatos, morax, ei, nahida and mavuika are true archons because they have the throne, those nations are not archonless.
JohnnySukuna2026-01-30 07:40
YES
Stock_Pace_40502026-01-30 08:39
Nope. Furina has never been an archon. That has always been focalors. Furina never held the hydro throne.
The_Cheeseman832026-01-30 10:30
I don’t think Furina wants to be an “honorary Archon”, and since I want what she wants, I will have to say no. Let her live the simple life she’s always wanted.
ImaginationNo80082026-01-30 10:52
Yes
Massive_Cry_90972026-01-30 11:26
Hoyo themselves clearly still considers her an Archon, as do the other Archons. So why not?
Neospanner2026-01-30 16:41
I'd say she can be considered to be an ex-Archon. She stopped being an Archon when her previous self (the original Focalors) divided herself into two beings. One of those beings continued on as the Archon in truth, while the other took on the role of Archon publicly.
Furina has as much claim to the original Focalors as her "past self" as new Focalors did.
So, just as Zhongli has the right to appear on the Archon lineup even as an ex-Archon, Furina does as well.
Dangerous_Jacket_1292026-01-31 00:40
I think that, and hear this on every level; she's the "acting Archon" of Fontaine.
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so yes, she's still an archon
Ofc I would
Hoyo themselves acknowledge that by including her in the archon official arts every year.
I don’t see why we shouldn’t consider her as THE hydro archon.
Heck the human part is a non factor given Mavuika.
I gueeess if you want to look hard at how Fontaine is run now vs before, with Furina living in a normal house and doing other things, and Neuvi running the ship, you could make an argument against it. But, even though the archon ran Fontaine for so long, that's not how it has been in other nations, and isn't a requirement/guarantee with the archons. Venti doesn't run Mondstadt, and Zhongli stopped running Liyue a long time ago before his faked death. And Nahida was in prison--
So anyway, yeah :)
Regardless of all that, Hoyo treats her as one.
She's kind of like Nahida but with less access to her powers
If a king suffers from amnesia and ends up with a totally new personality, even if he can’t serve as king anymore, he is still the former king. Same with Furina, she used to be the Hydro Archon, she just has no memory of that time.
Just like how the Raiden Shogun puppet isn't the true electro archon but Ei who resides within the Musou Isshin stored with the puppet. Ei never handed the divine throne over to her puppet so she's the only true electro archon, even if she uses the puppet as her physical body at times.
The body is just a vessel. Especially in a game like Genshin with puppets, robots, alchemical beings, storybook dragons, monsters, fragments, reincarnations, kuuvahki, Oceanids, time travel, ley lines, ghosts, spirits, memories, etc. It's the mind, personality, and soul that makes an individual.
Anyway Furina IMHO was an Archon, she gave it up.
"Archon" is a title specifically referring to either a) the victor of the Archon War who won a gnosis, or b) the leader of their nation. In both cases, immense affinity and power over their element is kind of a prerequisite. Furina is human and has a hydro vision, not a gnosis or comparable power. She has also explicitly retired from her position as the leader of her country so even calling her an Archon in the political sense is incorrect.
From a marketing perspective, archon.
From a kit design perspective, archon.
From an AQ focus perspective, archon.
From an actual lore power level, not even a particularly strong human.
Her determination to keep going and do what she was talked with for 500 years was impressive, and a good show of faith in the actual Hydro archon who is effectively another her, but during that entire time she's just a charlatan with no godly powers or abilities beyond a prolonged lifespan. A dedicated AF human, but a human nonetheless. That's precisely why so many people sympathize with her and kind of ignore gods and other immortal beings that suffered for much longer and often in much more difficult ways such as Xiao, Zibai, or Ei. Heck, you could argue Furina's loneliness and work to save Fontaine is far less of a difficult life than what Reirir went through, despite his choices to murder, but being torn to pieces without being able to die and a lot more is something to endure.
I myself like Furina's story, but feel she was let down by the personal quest as after everything's said and done, the truth is out and she can finally be herself and start making friends, free from the burden of stopping the prophecy, she remains as obnoxious, narcissistic and overly dramatic as always. They're was a MASSIVE opportunity for character growth, but she never got any. She headed in that direction at the end of her AQ, but in her story quest she remains as annoying as when she played a role, but with no reason for it, and even gets awarded a gnosis for pretty much nothing. Her story was a big let down.
The most annoying thing about her however are the Furina mains and glazers being the most insufferable in the Genshin fandom from what I've experienced on multiple occasions. You'll never get a Furina main to come to you and logically discuss the situation. They just simply mass downvote and attack with strawman arguments or gaslight the other side.
Furina has as much claim to the original Focalors as her "past self" as new Focalors did.
So, just as Zhongli has the right to appear on the Archon lineup even as an ex-Archon, Furina does as well.