DPS comparison across Genshin's history

[original video](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Jz6BBrEGK/)

cn speedrunners and whales came together to create a dps comparison of the top c6r5 teams of their era. weapons and artifacts used are limited to their specific era (eg. no mh for hu tao). it's interesting to see that while everything pre sumeru was around the same dps standards, fontaine had a clear trend of dps increase, then natlan blew everything out of the water, and now nefer as well.

Commentaires

penguin_ag2026-01-31 11:56

The fact that the bar isn't really sorted lowest to highest disturb me more than the number.

Lonely_Station_84352026-01-31 12:00

Sorted by release date, actually makes more sense this way

penguin_ag2026-01-31 12:01

Ah, that makes sense. Cheers, mate.

Lonely_Station_84352026-01-31 11:59

C6R5 whaled out artifact teams 💀

Cool but I’d rather see something realistic for 99% of the userbase

youarenotthatguybruh2026-01-31 12:00

Mavuika nr 1 , neffer , flins and than the rest

WhooooCares2026-01-31 12:03

This is for CN, not EN where a lot of players don’t live in high cost of living areas.

Lonely_Station_84352026-01-31 12:11

Imagine being called poor because you’re not spending thousands monthly on a single gacha…

Mighty_Cannon2026-01-31 12:11

It's not like majority of CN are spenders anyways 😭

Far-Law4112026-01-31 12:14

idc if youre a millionaire, if you arent a content creator i will make fun of you for spending that much on a gacha game (i will support a good steam library tho)

WhooooCares2026-01-31 12:22

Why does someone else spending their own money make you mad? People gamble, buy designer, and other stuff I wouldn't do but I'm not going to make fun of them. I'm not jealous or bitter.

Far-Law4112026-01-31 12:26

>Why does someone else spending their own money make you mad?

it doesnt, i support people making their own decisions and enourage people to do what makes them happy, splurging money is part of life. but not when they try to normalize said weird behaviour like everyone should normalize bad lifestyle decisions, i wouldnt have said that if you hadn't made that stupid ass statement.

WhooooCares2026-01-31 12:33

"Making fun" of some for spending their own money or calling it "bad lifestyle decisions" when you don't know their life is projection and bitterness.

>i wouldnt have said that if you hadn't made that stupid ass statement.

It's my fault you make snide remarks? Sounds......

Far-Law4112026-01-31 12:38

>calling it "bad lifestyle decisions" when you don't know their life is projection and bitterness.

despite being on a gacha sub we are not normalizing gambling on video game gachas to such a degree, if it makes you happy more power to you, enjoy.

xBoAOV2026-01-31 12:15

I'm confused, are you implying cn players are wealthier on average? I think it's just more likely that they spend more on average if anything else

youarenotthatguybruh2026-01-31 11:59

Mavuika waiting for that 5star Bennett

babangelsin2026-01-31 12:01

>it's interesting to see that while everything pre sumeru was around the same dps standards

There were no standards, 5\* constellations were mostly dogwater until they realized how to make good constellations around Fontaine.

lemon-3141592026-01-31 12:09

that's true, the first really good constellations were ayaka/shenhe/yelan and even then they're comparatively worse than what we have today

LeiciaY2026-01-31 12:04

Mavuika removes the limiter, and the subsequent dps need to follow up.

Important-Squash53972026-01-31 12:07

And then comes grandmaster varka will be below even NK dps

GenshinCriminal2026-01-31 12:15

He is Monstadt, so back to Monstadt level of Dps 😂

WhooooCares2026-01-31 12:13

Hoyoverse improved constellations when bad ones failed to sell characters on reruns. They tried controlling powercreep but players weren't pulling for slight upgrades when they could just keep playing their favorites. Most C6's before Fontaine were nothing, now characters are getting 70+CV or other major offensive stat boosts.

lemon-3141592026-01-31 12:26

some of the genshin's most profitable banners were rerun banners like hu tao/yelan (3.4), shenhe/ayaka (3.5), raiden/ayato (3.3) so i don't see how they failed to sell.

Andromeda_Violet2026-01-31 12:15

i certainly do not like where we're going with this

lemon-3141592026-01-31 12:43

this isn't really relevant for 99% of the player base though, considering these are speedrunners with skills and money to back it up and most people lack one or the other or both

Virtual_Carry_71092026-01-31 12:18

This graph doesn't convey that these older DPSs are not static, they also get improved with better supports. If Skirk released in 1.0, she would also be dogwater (from today's perspective). There are tragic problems with powercreep, but this specific graph is bad

lemon-3141592026-01-31 12:40

well yeah, it's about the team dps of that era, not a straight comparison of older teams vs newer teams

kaeporo2026-01-31 12:18

This seems wildly inaccurate. C6R5 Kinich below 50K? C6R5 Venti below 100K? Both of those are WAY off. I'm at around 160K/180K with my scuffed C2R1 teams.

How much else is wrong?

lemon-3141592026-01-31 12:34

this is in 10k units so it's 500k for kinich and \~600k for venti

kaeporo2026-01-31 12:36

Oh? So Nefer is at 2.4M DPS? Jesus.

Edit(1): even if conditions cut her DMG by 95%, she's still trouncing fearless.

Tight-Chard2026-01-31 12:56

Nefer team's* to be more accurate, also just a reminder this is all c6r5 teams i assumed, so it's nefer lauma bina and nilou, all c6r5.

Jia-the-Human2026-01-31 12:37

It says “per 10K” so 50x10k=500 K, it’s not wildly inaccurate, you’re just reading it wrong

Akikala2026-01-31 12:19

> it's interesting to see that while everything pre sumeru was around the same dps standards

Isn't that just the perspective of the graph. Just looking at the Hu tao and Childe team, Childe team is doing double the dps. And then Ayaka is doing more than 50% more dps than that. We're just so zoomed out that the difference looks smaller than it is.

lemon-3141592026-01-31 12:30

the zoom does affect it but for reference hu tao did 100k dps, childe did 160k dps, ayaka did 260k dps. now compare mav/nefer teams with the fontaine teams before it.

Akikala2026-01-31 12:56

>was around the same dps standards

This is what I was talking about. You can't exactly say that they have the "same dps standard" when one team does more than double the damage of another lol.

Of course the dps numbers have increased since then but it wasn't exactly "balanced" or whatever back then either.

lemon-3141592026-01-31 13:05

fair, i was mostly looking at inazuma-sumeru teams

icksq2026-01-31 15:30

Yes, people learning about exponential curves.

Also, the graph is superficially "flattened" by incuding a bunch of teams that do nothing to increase the ceiling. The x-axis should be linear in time/version# and really only data points that increase the ceiling matter.

It's been hovering at x200% per Year since Wrio.
https://i.imgur.com/a5jiKdm.png

nomotyed2026-01-31 12:33

Where is c6 Varesa?

GenshinfinityYoutube2026-01-31 12:51

How do Nilou and Nefer work together? Nefer transforms Nilou's cores to her cores
https://youtu.be/h9tbqsiDOh8

lemon-3141592026-01-31 12:52

she's there for her c2 res shred, r5 key and hydro resonance for bina

GenshinfinityYoutube2026-01-31 13:14

That's interesting. Thanks

Nineosix2026-01-31 13:20

where is Varesa? No chasca?

lemon-3141592026-01-31 14:31

no varesa, ig no one volunteered to run varesa furina xianyun. chasca is beside mav cit xilo kazu