Is Columbina Stronger then an archon in her Trilune Goddes form and how strong is she?

Yes, she's stronger than the Archons by quite a margin; with all 3 marrows in her possession she's the strongest playable character.

Brother she has the power of the moon goddess, they were given the powers of the world, death, space,time and life ofc she is more powerfull then them

Yes. During the time she held all three moon's authorities including the marrows, she was stronger than the original mood goddesses, and stronger than the shades. She was ~ one level below Nibelung and the Heavenly Principles, since Nibelung was the one to first create the moons. Remember that prism analogy Albedo used during the quest? An archon has authority over, for example, the colour yellow. Columbina's authority was over light itself, as a whole.

She's the goddess of all three moons.

In computer terms, she basically has admin privileges, albeit less so than the Heavenly Principles.

It's funny, this is one of the few powerscaling types of convos where I can't be like, "well actually it depends" and it's just like, "well actually, the game spelled this one out explicitly".

Yes, as a Moon Goddess in possession of ~~all the Moon Marrows~~ the trilunar authority, she held more power than any given archon.

EDIT: since everybody has mentioned it. I had in my mind the trilunar authority when I said the Moon Marrows (having three marrows, having three authorities). I apologize for getting it wrong.

She’s near or at the level of the shades.

Yes, her powers cover all of the Planet and it's fundemental laws.

Shade/Sinner = only ONE authority

Columbina = fucking all four of them

She should be stronger than the archons. But I’m more curious if she actually surpassed the tsaritsa who holds 6 gnosis

Might be on par with John genshin

I wonder how Snezhnaya will play out without her just waltzing through everyone once we get there and before the Traveler becomes the new Dragon God by getting the last element.

Comparing her strength with Archons is an insult to her... she is around the same level (even upper) than the Shades.

Lore wise, she is the strongest character we have received so far

Basically the equivalent of all 4 shades combined, so way stronger than any archon or sovereign.

Equaly or more compare to one of the shade.

I swear, I'm getting to the point where every single post title like this reads to me like it's Goku asking.

The Moon Sisters were strong and were given direct governance over Teyvat and the only reason HP won the war is because they didn't intervene before it was too late. They were literally the only rulers below Nibelung. Even the Shades were based on the Moon Sisters.


The archons are more like mayors of their respective elements. They answer directly to Celestia, have tons of restrictions placed on them by the HP and going against those would have them punished without exception. They haven't been on top of Teyvat's power scale like they made it seem during the game's launch.

Dottore, with two moon marrows and one artificial one, is able to manipulate reality. Not enough to outright change the entire world, but enough that he's damn near omnipotent. As a Trilune Goddess, Columbina basically negates that advantage that he has. 


Bare minimum, she's as strong as Dottore was in his fake Moon God form, which is stronger than any Archon thus far.

Currently she has authority over life, death, tume and space at least in nod krai so she near shade level most likely.

Would have been more stronger probably if she had the other two moons functioning as well.

As for comparing to the archons, I think Venti and nahida most likely are closest to her level.

Comparable if not stronger than the shades

Well she was, until she gave some of her power back to Nod Krai

In her trilune goddess form, she's stronger than any of the archons. I'd argue to go as far and say she's stronger than all of them combined.

She solos all archons past and present in their prime together

Logically speaking she should be WAY above the archons, way above even Neuv

For context: https://www.reddit.com/r/Hoyoverse_scaling/s/YO9aQsQklA

She sneezes archons away lmao

Trilune Columbina could give 4 shade a run for their money.

Yeah she blows the archons out of the water the only Archon who can really come near her in terms of power is when Mavuika borrowed Ronova's power and even then id still give it to Columbina

Trilune columbina is equal to the four shades combined lol

The strongest playable character. Currently, you could say the hierarchy of divinity goes as follows: Heavenly Principles->The Shades of Heavenly Principles->The Seven. Before the arrival of Heavenly Principles it looked like this: Nibelung->Three Moon Sisters->Seven Dragon Sovereigns. We can pair these divinities respectively:

Nibelung was the ultimate authority, the ruler of Teyvat, and so is Heavenly Principles.

Moon Sisters were essentially Nibelung's executioners - they would oversee the world per his wishes, trapped in their moons' reflections, they were the highest servants of Nibelung, and that is very similar to the Shades. Shades were also created by the ruler, just like Moon Sisters, and are the ruler's primary servants that basically manage Celestia for them.

The seven dragon sovereigns were just like The Seven, controlling their respective elements, just without gnoses, Celestia, divine thrones, etc.

Since Columbina has the Tri-Lunar authority that makes her stronger than any archon, as well as the playable dragon sovereign, that being Neuvillette. And since she has powers of all three moons, one could argue that Columbina is more powerful than even individual shades, but there could be many nuances, since shades are in a position of control of space, time, life and death, and that control is maintained by Heavenly Principles, so even if Columbina would hypothetically fight a shade, she would probably not win, because that shade would control death/life/time/space under Heavenly Principles' authority over Teyvat. So Columbina's full-potential power is enormous, the fact that she has that power in Teyvat ruled by Celestia, which does not recognize tri-lunar authority, that power is bottlenecked. But even with that, she is lore-wise, the strongest playable character.

Yes, very

She is way stronger than them.Im not exactly sure how strong she is tho

None of that is well-defined so who knows. She seems pretty powerful - nobody else is finding your lost spaceship and then taking you to the moon, after all. On the other hand, nobody else infused all their power into a geographical region and then decided to leave it there.

Yes far stronger, she is at very least at same power of a shade , you can't even use "but he's mysterious " card agenst that 

She’s so clear of the archons

So basically.
Archons are moderators.
The tree moon goddesses and Columbina are like the admins.
And heavenly principles own the company.

As far as I understand, on Teyvat she is nigh omnipotent. Or as Zibai would put it - neigh omnipotent.

The archons use (fractions of) the power of the seven dragon sovereigns. But the moon goddesses were always above the dragons back then, and Columbina now has the power of all three. She's far stronger than an archon, or even a sovereign

Yes. You can pretty much count on one hand, the entities of/related to teyvat who can match or surpass her

She basically has Admin privileges in Teyvat. Life, Death, Space & Time is within her palm. That being said, we do not know how much mastery she has over these powers.

She could theoretically reincarnate Signora or bring back Capitano. Remove the curse from Khaenri'ahns, bring together Traveler and Abyss Twin. A being should transcend the limits of Teyvat to even consider being stronger than Columbina.

I'm not sure how much her abilities can influence people not "bound" to Teyvat, or outside Teyvat.

In terms of the total power whe possesses? She is. She's possibly even stronger than Neuvillette. My only doubt is if she's stronger than Venti, because he's still too shady to tell.

In a battle? Lol no

Should..she should have simular privilidges and access of power over teyvat as the 4 shades.

She has the power of the 3 moons, which governed all of Teyvat in Nibelung's absence. I believe the 3 moons to Nibelung are like the Shades to the Heavenly Principles. If so, she's basically stronger than any shade, though probably a bit weaker than their combined power since HP has proven to have more power than Nibelung.

I'm not too familiar with Genshin's lore. I might be completely misunderstanding the role of the Shades

She is stronger than Archon level, but remember than we have two Archons that were powerful themselves long before they became Archons. Ei and Zhongli. Like, do you think Columbina would keep up with Ei's 500 years of relentless fighting? And Zhongli is extremely sus. He knows so much, who is he? I wouldn't really be surprised if Zhongli was Nibelung or related. Zhongli is at least 6000 years old. It's older than anything in the game. 6000 years ago we had War of Funerary Flames. Coincidence???

Yes. However, while she may be the Trilune Goddess, she still gave up a huge amount of her power for Nod-Krai. Therefore, I don't think she can rival the HP, or even all 4 shades at once.

In terms of pure power, she's probably not much stronger than the Archons. She gave most of her kuuvahki back to Nod Krai so I'm assuming she's at least as powerful as she was as 3rd Harbinger (you know, when most of her kuuvahki was spread across Nod Krai). Although, perhaps she's stronger simply because she isn't just using her own power now.

Either way, it's her insane abilities that make her overpowered. Stopping time is the literal first thing Dottore did when he got the Trilunar authority and Columbina should be able to do basically everything he could do and likely more.

No one, except the Shades and Heavenly Principles themselves, should be able to touch her.

I really don't get how people are saying her authority is greater than the shades. Unless I see her make a night kingdoms equivalent or send a seed 500 years back in time( Inazuma sacred sakura) I don't believe her power is on the same level. Yes she might have more than one authority but each is nowhere near as powerful.

Genuine question even with all of that does she have the battle experience that ei and zhongli has.

Because to me this seem more like a ssg goku vs beerus situation.

I mean sure she got a strong authority there but can she fight against ei who has 500 years refined of combat or zhongli if he decide to go all archon killer

she's closer to a Shade than an Archon, but between the two for sure

Way beyond any of them, i like this troupe of giving virtually unbeatable powers to people who only want to chill

I think somewhere above sovereigns, archons and shades but under Nibelung and HP, without the two i think she should be top1 lore wise right now.. did i miss anyone?

Stronger than the Archons and the Dragon Sovereigns, and of course the strong mortals (like the Sinners and the Witches) are nowhere even comparable. And she is probably stronger than each of the Shades at this point.

Dottore had 2 real ones and 1 fake one, and that's enough to manipulate space at whim, ranking his power above the archons. Imagine 3 real ones + Kuvaki + plot armour.

Even after she distributed the moon marrows she's still got the authority. She strong.

They are kinda wishy washy with her strength. Since they opened Pandoras Box with her they instantly nerfed her. Basically at the moment of her Rebirth she should be second only to the Heavenly Principles. (But you can argue about the shades being part of the ruling order - that may be an advantage)



As said on the moon and from the Tri-Lunar Convergence entry in her profile:

"So she offered a portion of her power, that it may continue to protect this beautiful home as it always had. The part she kept for herself needed only to allow her to live happily with her friends, as before, and to guard what she cherished when necessary."


She gave a portion of her power to Nod-Krai but she kept enough to be a guardian. What that means is up to the writers.

But she also describes her powers:

"She felt that the things she wanted to do were almost all within the reach of the three moons' power: Moving freely between the moon and Teyvat, effortlessly transporting herself and other objects, making flowers bloom more brilliantly, causing fruits to grow fuller..."

"What she loved was the way this world and her home looked now. Changing it at will just because she could, molding its appearance and rules to suit her own whims... "


So she can do anything she wants whenever she wants.

She is also wary of her powers:

"No matter how good her intentions, doing so would make her no different from The Doctor, she felt."


To answer the question of the post: Its Moon Nuke vs Coughing Archon.

Thats the moon goddeses combine so basically a slightly nerfed nibelung so probably stronger than all the archon combined

If nothing else, at the very end she did this:

>I lifted some of the restrictions this world placed on you. I trust this will help in your future adventures?

I don't think any Archon would be able to accomplish this, so I'd put her above their level at the least.

Yes, very.

There are people in this comment section unironically saying that columbina is stronger than the shades, columbina is my favorite character but holy fuck guys let's be reasonable.

The understanding I have so far is that under the current world order, the Archons are not strictly inferior to the Primordial Dragons and Lunar Goddesses. The reason I assume this is because even though the Dragons and Moons should have greater authority, the authority that they originally represented is no longer the dominant authority of Teyvat. Even in its fractured state, the present world is still governed primarily by the Heavenly Principles. This world in its very nature is not one that favors Dragons or the Lunar Goddesses to begin with, and thus even with their authorities restored, they are fundamentally unable to be as dominating a force as they would have been had the Heavenly Principles not been established. Thus, even though Neuvillette has the full Hydro Authority, and even though Columbina is now the Tri-Lune Goddess, and even though the Geo Archon has retired and the Hydro Archon has relinquished her authority, this is fundamentally still a world under the authority of the Seven. They are the ones that give shape to this world, and humanity, the current dominant species of Teyvat, continue to worship those Seven even now. So at the moment, home field advantage still lies with the Seven, who are the ones who govern the laws of the present world.

Additionally, it's my belief that the Seven are not defined solely by their elemental authorities. We know this to be case in regards to Venti and Nahida. Venti was given a portion of Time's power, and once was able to blow the entirety of Mare Jivari out of the timeline. Nahida is the administrator of the Irminsul, which I believe should be outside of Dendro's domain. Raiden has showcased the ability the manipulate space; she is able to open portals between spaces and freely teleport, and I don't believe this has anything to do with electricity at all. Zhongli's abilities are more vague, but remember that all Adepti arts originated from him. The ability to create massive pocket dimensions inside teapots and shape them as you please is something that originated from him. All the Adepti are, for all intents and purposes, his familiars, in the same vein as Aranara are Rukkhadevata's and the Oceanid are Egeria's. The ability to create spaces with limited accessibility is something we see rather often. Venti's ability to send Mare Jivari to a pocket outside of time, the Teapots of the Adepti, Beelzebul's Euthymic Realm, the dream dimension of the Aranara.

The thing is, for all the revelations we've had regarding Dragons, Lunar Goddesses, Nibelung, Descenders, the Abyss and Angels, it's very easy to overlook that we have absolutely NO idea what the Demon Gods are. We don't actually know where they came from. Based on what Neuvillette has said, we can infer that the Demon Gods only started to surface AFTER the War of Tribunal Flame, but it's not entirely clear how they were made and exactly for what purpose. We don't know where they come from or why they're able to do the things they do. Eventually, the Heavenly Forces had them destroy one another and the Seven worthiest ones were granted the Heavenly Thrones and Gnoses, with these Seven becoming the new foundations of the world. The evidence appears to suggest that they were created by or from the Primordial One, but we don't have a whole lot to really go on.

I have no way to substantiate this, but my present theory is that the Seven actually derive a portion of their power from the Shades. At first, I wondered if perhaps each Archon had a Shade serve as their sponsor. So Istaroth would have sponsored Venti and Makoto, Ronova would have sponsored the Pyro Archons. But now, I suspect the relationship between the Archons and the Shades might be more complex than that. For instance, given Ei's space-cutting powers, I wondered if she had a link to Asmoday. But given the hints of her links to Ronova, the current theory I'm kinda-sorta working with is that each Archon has a link to all four Shades, although their compatibility with each Shade's power may vary. Or that perhaps each Shade has certain gods that they favor more than others. So with Ei, her ability to manipulate space may be derived from Asmoday, her ability to create "life" (Don Sombrero, Shogun) may be derived from Naberius, her ability to nurture the Sacred Sakura is a gift from Istaroth, and I dunno what she might have received from Ronova but the visual imagery is pretty blatant. Like I said, I can't substantiate any of this, but these are the suspicions I'm working with right now that I'll probably abandon without much hesitation if anything were to contradict them.